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Jack Farley & Max Wiethe on Fed Hawkishness & Steep Stock Market Sell-off

2024/12/18
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Jack Farley: 本次股市暴跌是由于市场对美联储鹰派立场的反应,以及市场参与者对信息的关注度不足。尽管美联储降息,但收益率上升导致股市下跌。此外,股市上涨时间过长,上涨股票数量有限,技术因素也导致股市下跌。他认为,经济衰退的风险高于通货膨胀再次抬头,市场对美联储2025年降息次数的预期过于保守,低估了美联储降息至3%或3.25%的可能性。他认为就业市场数据是观察经济衰退风险的关键指标,持续的就业增长可能导致失业率上升,但劳动力市场并非通货膨胀的来源。他认为美联储对失业率的预测与就业增长数据存在矛盾,经济衰退的预测屡屡落空。他认为,美联储应该将关税政策纳入考量,因为关税政策会影响通货膨胀。他认为,如果美国经济强劲,美元将升值;如果美国经济衰退,美元也会升值。他认为,弱势经济体应该拥有弱势货币,以促进出口。 Max Wiethe: 市场对美联储的预期与实际行动基本一致,但波动性较低,令人意外。年底市场容易出现剧烈波动,且市场参与者的心理因素会影响市场走势。市场对美联储政策转向的预期落空,可能导致市场进一步下跌。美联储的政策行动出乎市场意料,可能导致市场进一步调整。他认为,通货膨胀数据对未来货币政策走向的影响日益显著,美联储对就业市场的预测比对通货膨胀的预测更准确。他认为,实际GDP增长不能完全归因于通货膨胀下降。他认为,美联储2025年可能维持利率不变,市场对美联储未来政策的预期会影响美联储的实际决策。他认为,欧洲政治不稳定性将导致欧元贬值,欧洲经济问题短期内难以解决,这将导致欧元贬值。他认为,如果美国经济衰退,全球经济也可能衰退,美元可能会升值。如果全球经济衰退,其他国家央行可能会比美联储更快地降息。

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Why did the stock market react so negatively despite the Fed's interest rate projections being in line with market expectations?

The bond market had largely priced in the Fed's hawkishness, but the stock market, which is composed of different investors, did not fully anticipate the implications. Powell's explicit mention of hawkishness amplified the shock, leading to a steep sell-off.

What was the key technical change the Fed made during their December 2024 meeting?

The Fed lowered the reverse repo rate by 30 basis points instead of the usual 25, aligning it with the lower end of the Fed funds rate. This tweak was aimed at preventing repo rate pressure.

How does the market currently price the Federal Reserve's interest rate cuts for 2025?

The market is pricing in approximately one interest rate cut for 2025, while the Fed's dot plot suggests two cuts. There is a significant divergence, with the market seeing a 90% chance of no cuts in January 2025.

What does Jack Farley believe is the primary risk driving the Fed's future policy decisions?

Jack believes the primary risk is a recession rather than renewed inflation. As inflation falls, real interest rates rise, necessitating rate cuts to maintain economic stability.

How does the Fed's unemployment rate projection for 2025 compare to its previous estimates?

The Fed's median unemployment rate projection for 2025 is 4.3%, slightly higher than previous estimates. However, this contradicts Powell's statement that unemployment would rise by 0.6% over the year due to labor market dynamics.

What does Max Wiethe think about the potential for further stock market volatility in the near future?

Max is concerned about potential carry-through volatility due to year-end dynamics and positioning. He notes that the market has been complacent, and any unexpected moves could lead to significant follow-through in either direction.

Why does Jack Farley think the dollar could strengthen relative to the euro?

Jack believes the U.S. economy is stronger than Europe's, and if the Fed cuts rates less than the ECB, the dollar could strengthen. Additionally, a global recession could lead to a dollar squeeze, further boosting the dollar.

What does Jack Farley think about the Fed's handling of inflation and interest rates?

Jack believes the Fed is sticking to its guns on inflation, but the market is skeptical. He thinks the Fed has room to cut rates if needed, but the market is overly optimistic about the likelihood of fewer cuts.

How does Jack Farley view the impact of tariffs on the Federal Reserve's policy?

Jack believes tariffs are inflationary and should be factored into the Fed's interest rate decisions. He argues that the Fed should not ignore the fiscal impact of tariffs, as they can significantly affect consumer prices.

What does the Fed's summary of economic projections indicate about their uncertainty regarding inflation?

The Fed's summary shows increased uncertainty about inflation, with more participants noting higher uncertainty compared to previous projections. This reflects the potential impact of new fiscal policies, including tariffs.

Shownotes Transcript

Jack welcomes Max Wiethe, business partner and host of Other People’s Money podcast, to break down December’s Federal Reserve meeting. Jack shares why he bought puts prior to the Fed’s meeting and his views for the market after its steep sell-off of nearly 3%. Max and Jack debate to what extent the monetary policy is hawkish, the bull case for the dollar, and how many cuts (if any) the Fed will do in 2025. Recorded just after the FOMC meeting on December 18, 2024.

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