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Secrets of Legendary Investor Howard Marks (#219)

2024/10/15
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Howard Marks: 本期节目中,霍华德·马克斯分享了他对市场的见解、投资心理学、低利率如何导致不当行为以及为什么“总是良好,有时伟大,从未糟糕”能够描述他非凡的职业生涯。他认为2009年至2021年期间的超低利率导致了历史上最长的经济复苏和牛市,这对资产持有者和借款人有利,但对储蓄者和保险公司不利。低利率还会导致不理智的行为。长期维持接近零利率是一种错误,因为它会造成冒险行为和道德风险。对破产的恐惧对资本主义至关重要,它促使人们做出谨慎的决定。他认为当前的投资环境尚可,因为利率处于中等水平,并且未来十年利率不太可能大幅下降。利率上升将减缓支撑股市的顺风,但不会导致股市崩盘。美国经济和市场状况温和,虽然略贵,但还不足以促使投资者撤资。长期持有美国经济是正确的策略,因为标普500指数在过去100年中的平均年增长率为10%。对大多数投资者来说,预测经济或市场走势是没有帮助的,甚至对专业人士来说也是如此。巴菲特也拒绝经济预测。只有拥有高于平均水平的预测准确性才能战胜市场,而几乎没有人能做到。Oaktree的投资策略是“总是良好,有时伟大,从未糟糕”,这在他55年的投资生涯中得到了验证。投资和体育有很多相似之处,例如都是精英制度、竞争性、需要兼顾进攻和防守,以及都涉及运气。在投资中,要比别人赢得多或输得少才能获得高于平均水平的回报。风险是不可避免的,但为了获得财务成功,必须承担一定的风险。分散投资是谨慎的做法,但集中投资可以利用已知信息获得优势。在投资前,应该问问自己是否真的了解情况,因为投资市场竞争激烈。投资者可以选择追求高回报的策略或规避风险的策略。在市场剧烈波动时期,所有资产的相关性都会趋于1,分散投资的作用会减弱。在市场极端情况下,即使是分散投资也无法避免损失,投资者需要保持冷静。他建议尽早、大量、稳定地投资,长期持有,避免过度交易,不要认为自己是天才。对大多数人来说,长期坚持平均投资策略是最好的选择。不要过度关注宏观经济预测,因为没有人能够准确预测市场走势。投资的关键在于长期持有能够增长的公司股票,并向能够还款的公司贷款。 Lynn Thoman: Lynn Thoman 作为主持人,引导访谈,提出问题,并总结了 Howard Marks 的观点。

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Why did Howard Marks consider the decline of interest rates from 1980 to 2020 as the most important event in the financial world?

The decline made economies grow, businesses thrive, assets more valuable, and borrowing cheaper, creating an easy period for asset owners and borrowers.

Why did Howard Marks believe that the Fed's aggressive management of interest rates was a mistake?

It created risky behavior and moral hazard, making the financial system and economy more precarious.

What does Howard Marks think about the current investing environment?

He believes it's decent with moderate interest rates, but not as favorable for leveraged investing as the previous low-rate period.

Why does Howard Marks think forecasting is not helpful for most investors?

Because it's not knowable and almost nobody can achieve superior knowledge, making it difficult to outsmart the market.

What does Howard Marks mean by 'always good, sometimes great, never terrible'?

It describes his investment career at Oaktree Capital, emphasizing consistent positive outcomes with occasional exceptional results and no catastrophic failures.

How does Howard Marks compare investing to sports?

Both are meritocracies with a blend of aggressiveness and defensiveness, and both involve a degree of luck and the need for a game plan.

What is Howard Marks' view on risk in investing?

He believes risk is inescapable and necessary for financial success, but one must be aware of the potential consequences.

How should people think about diversification according to Howard Marks?

Diversification protects against what you don't know, but you should concentrate on what you do know to potentially outperform.

Why does Howard Marks think diversification might not save you in extreme market conditions?

In times of crisis, all correlations go to one, meaning everything moves together, making diversification less effective.

What are Howard Marks' three key takeaways for investors?

1) Stick to an average strategy over the long run. 2) Stop obsessing over macro forecasting. 3) Focus on what really matters: long-term growth and repayment.

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Howard Marks discusses the decline of interest rates from 1980 to 2020 and its impact on the economy, businesses, and asset prices.
  • Decline of interest rates from 1980 to 2020 made economies grow, businesses thrive, and assets more valuable.
  • Lower interest rates led to higher asset prices and were great for borrowers.
  • This period shaped the entire financial condition over that time.

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Warren Buffett doesn’t need investment advice. But he does listen to fellow billionaire and co-founder of Oaktree Capital Howard Marks. Here, the legendary investor shares his insights on the market, the psychology of investing, why low interest rates can lead to unwise behavior, and why “always good, sometimes great, never terrible” describes his remarkable career.