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#456 – Volodymyr Zelenskyy: Ukraine, War, Peace, Putin, Trump, NATO, and Freedom

2025/1/6
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一位通过播客和研究工作在科技和科学领域广受认可的美国播客主持人和研究科学家。
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Lex Fridman: 本次访谈旨在理解乌克兰战争的复杂性,并推动和平进程。作者希望通过与泽连斯基的对话,找到通往和平的道路。 Volodymyr Zelenskyy: 乌克兰战争是乌克兰人民争取自由和独立的象征。泽连斯基强调,俄方的侵略行为不可接受,乌克兰需要国际社会的支持来保卫自己的主权和领土完整。

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Why is the Ukrainian language particularly significant in the context of the war?

The Ukrainian language has become a symbol of the Ukrainian people's fight for freedom and independence. It represents national identity and resistance against Russian aggression, especially since the war is often framed by Russia as a defense of Russian-speaking people, despite the fact that Russian-speaking Ukrainians are also being attacked.

What was the immediate impact of the Russian invasion on February 24, 2022, on President Zelensky?

On the morning of the invasion, President Zelensky had to quickly make critical decisions to respond to the full-scale invasion. He focused on evacuating people, delivering food to blocked cities, and distributing weapons to civilians to defend the capital. He also emphasized the importance of maintaining digital communication to keep the population informed and united.

What are the key challenges in negotiating a ceasefire with Russia?

Negotiating a ceasefire with Russia is extremely difficult due to the lack of trust and Russia's history of violating agreements. Previous ceasefire attempts, such as the Minsk agreements, failed because Russia continued to support separatists and carry out attacks. Security guarantees for Ukraine are essential to ensure that a ceasefire is not just a temporary pause but a step toward long-term peace.

What role does NATO play in Ukraine's security strategy?

NATO is seen as a critical security guarantee for Ukraine. Partial NATO membership for Ukraine, even if it excludes occupied territories, could provide a strong deterrent against future Russian aggression. However, Ukraine's full integration into NATO is complicated by ongoing conflicts in regions like Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhia, Kherson, and Crimea.

How does President Zelensky view the potential for peace negotiations with Putin and Trump?

President Zelensky believes that peace negotiations with Putin must be conducted from a position of strength, with strong security guarantees for Ukraine. He expresses hope that Trump can exert pressure on Putin to end the war but emphasizes that Putin is unlikely to willingly stop the conflict without external pressure.

What is the significance of the Budapest Memorandum in Ukraine's security history?

The Budapest Memorandum, signed in 1994, provided security assurances to Ukraine in exchange for giving up its nuclear weapons. However, when Russia violated Ukraine's territorial integrity by annexing Crimea and supporting separatists in Donbas, the signatories, including the U.S., failed to act, undermining the memorandum's credibility.

How has martial law affected Ukraine's political and social freedoms?

Martial law in Ukraine has led to restrictions on certain freedoms and rights, as the country focuses on defending itself against Russian aggression. While these restrictions are necessary for national security, they have also created challenges for democracy and everyday life, including the postponement of elections.

What are President Zelensky's views on corruption in Ukraine?

President Zelensky acknowledges that corruption remains a challenge in Ukraine but highlights significant progress in combating it. He points to the imprisonment of influential oligarchs like Ihor Kolomoisky and the establishment of independent anti-corruption bodies as evidence of Ukraine's commitment to transparency and reform.

What does President Zelensky think about Elon Musk and his contributions to Ukraine?

President Zelensky respects Elon Musk as a self-made innovator and leader. He is particularly grateful for Musk's provision of Starlink, which has been crucial in maintaining internet connectivity in Ukraine during the war, both on the front lines and in civilian areas like schools and kindergartens.

What are President Zelensky's long-term goals for Ukraine's future?

President Zelensky envisions a future Ukraine that is economically prosperous, digitally advanced, and culturally aligned with Europe. He emphasizes the importance of digital transformation, tax reform, and foreign investment in sectors like green energy, oil, and gas to rebuild the country and attract Ukrainians back home after the war.

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This chapter explores the complexities of choosing a language for the interview with President Zelenskyy, given the war in Ukraine and the political sensitivities involved. The conversation touched upon Ukrainian, Russian, and English, highlighting the symbolic importance of language in times of conflict.
  • The interview was conducted in a mix of Ukrainian, Russian, and English.
  • The choice of language was politically and symbolically significant.
  • AI and human translation were used to make the episode accessible in multiple languages.

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Volodymyr Zelenskyy is the President of Ukraine. On YouTube this episode is available in English, Ukrainian, and Russian. Captions and voice-over audio tracks are provided in English, Ukrainian, Russian, and the original mixed-language version, with subtitles available in your preferred language. To listen to the original mixed language version, please select the English (UK) audio track audio track. The default is English overdub. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep456-sc) See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc.

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OUTLINE: (00:00) – Introduction (20:17) – Language (30:06) – World War II (46:54) – Invasion on Feb 24, 2022 (53:30) – Negotiating Peace (1:13:47) – NATO and security guarantees (1:26:39) – Sitting down with Putin and Trump (1:46:09) – Compromise and leverage (1:51:38) – Putin and Russia (2:01:30) – Donald Trump (2:12:01) – Martial Law and Elections (2:24:21) – Corruption (2:33:06) – Elon Musk (2:37:10) – Trump Inauguration on Jan 20 (2:40:18) – Power dynamics in Ukraine (2:43:50) – Future of Ukraine (2:48:32) – Choice of language (2:58:02) – Podcast prep and research process (3:06:27) – Travel and setup (3:12:13) – Conclusion

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