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How Do Astronomers Find Exoplanets? Wiggles!

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Josh Wynn: 我是普林斯顿大学的天文学家,也是一名系外行星猎人。我们通过行星对恒星的引力作用找到系外行星。行星的引力会使恒星轻微摆动,但过去我们无法直接观测到恒星的摆动,因为望远镜不够灵敏。过去我们主要使用凌日法和多普勒法两种方法发现系外行星。凌日法需要特殊的巧合才能观测到,因此遗漏了大部分行星。多普勒法通过探测恒星的运动来发现行星,多普勒效应是由于波源相对于观察者运动而产生的。新的测星法通过测量恒星在天空中位置的变化来发现行星,它直接测量恒星在天球上的坐标,更擅长寻找距离恒星较远的行星。恒星距离行星越远,其轨道就越大,更容易被测星法观测到。盖亚望远镜的高精度测量使得测星法成为可能。我们通过盖亚望远镜提供的候选恒星列表,结合多普勒法来确认系外行星。盖亚望远镜提供的许多候选恒星并非系外行星。我们发现的系外行星Gaia 4b质量很大,类似于超级木星。盖亚望远镜的数据分析将带来更多系外行星的发现。测星法能帮助我们更完整地了解系外行星系统,我们需要更多的数据来了解系外行星系统的规律。研究更多的系外行星系统有助于我们更好地理解行星系统的规律。 Regina Barber: 系外行星的发现正进入一个新的阶段,未来几年将发现更多不同类型的系外行星。盖亚望远镜的高精度测量使得我们可以观测到恒星的摆动,从而发现系外行星。

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This chapter explores the history of exoplanet discovery, focusing on two primary methods: the transit method, which relies on observing planetary transits across stars, and the Doppler method, which detects stellar motion caused by orbiting planets. The limitations of each method are also discussed.
  • Transit method: detects planets by observing dips in starlight caused by planetary transits
  • Doppler method: detects planets by measuring the slight wobble of a star caused by orbiting planets
  • Limitations: Transit method requires a precise alignment, while the Doppler method is more effective for planets closer to their stars

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You probably didn't learn that one. I didn't either. That's because we only found out about it in 2019 and because it's an extrasolar planet or an exoplanet. Well, an exoplanet is a planet

But it doesn't orbit the sun. It orbits some other star in the galaxy. That's Josh Wynn. He's an astronomer at Princeton University and an exoplanet hunter. And the study of exoplanets is one of the newest and most exciting areas of astronomy. It really only got going in the mid-1990s. Scientists have found thousands of exoplanets since then by relying on a little trick of gravity.

When a planet is orbiting a star, it's because the star's gravity is pulling on the planet. But forces come in pairs. If the star is pulling on the planet, the planet has to be pulling on the star with the same force. Compared to the planet, the star is massive. So the pull of gravity from the planet doesn't make it move much. But nevertheless, it does cause it to move.

Basically, planets make their stars wiggle. But we haven't always been able to directly observe this wiggle. Our telescopes just haven't been sensitive enough to detect it.

So in the past, we've mainly used other methods instead. And these methods... They're very good at finding planets that have small orbits that are located close to the star, kind of like Mercury and Venus and the Earth. But those planets are only part of the story. Without a way to find planets far from their stars, scientists haven't been able to paint a full picture of these solar systems until now.

This new method, which is called the astrometric method, is actually best at finding distant planets. Planets like Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune around other stars. This new method lets us fill in the gaps of the picture, finding planets that astronomers couldn't detect before.

This is the beginning of the next big phase of exoplanet discovery. A few years from now, we're going to be in a position to use this technique to find potentially thousands of new exoplanets. And they're going to be different from the ones that we already know about. So today on the show, the next phase of exoplanet discovery. How scientists are filling in missing pieces of a solar system puzzle and how this search has just begun.

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Okay, Josh, so to start, can you tell me, how have we found exoplanets in the past? Like, what methods do we know work? Sure. We have two main methods that have led to most of the discoveries. As of today, there are about 5,800 known exoplanets. Right. And about 4,000 of them come from a very clever trick, which is based on eclipses. If a planet's orbit happens to carry it directly in front of the star,

that it orbits, then it will block a little bit of that star's light and we can tell because the star appears to get slightly fainter for a few hours. That's called the transit method. We say the planet is transiting across the star. But the transit method, while it's a wonderful technique, it has this serious problem, which is that it requires a very special coincidence for the orbit to be oriented just right

so that from our vantage point, we see these eclipses. Yeah. And so it misses most of the planets that are out there. It makes me think of like a lighthouse, right? Like if you're not at the right angle, if you were a helicopter above the lighthouse, you would not see like the beam of light hitting you. You could miss it. That's right. So if there are aliens viewing our solar system from every possible direction, only one out of 200 of them would ever see the Earth go directly in front of the sun. Mm-hmm.

Now, the second best method, and really the first one that worked in the mid-1990s, is based on sensing the motion of the star. And we can detect the motion of the star using a trick called the Doppler effect. Right.

Now, the term Doppler probably rings a bell because of a Doppler radar that's used to measure the speed of a car or the speed of raindrops falling from the sky. It's the effect that you get whenever you have a source of waves that's moving relative to the observer. And light is a wave. So if a star is moving towards us,

then the light rays that it emits by the time they reach the Earth appear to be shifted in their wavelength. Right. I mean, one analogy I like to use is sound instead of light. They're both waves, so we can do that. The siren of a fire engine, it's going to sound different when it's coming at you versus when it passes you. Right. And that's the Doppler effect. Exactly. Yeah. We can actually hear those changes. Like you said, if a car goes by, we hear it go...

Yeah. Now, the speed of light is huge compared to the speed of sound. It's too fast. It's too fast. Yeah. So when we divide by the speed of light, we get this tiny undetectable effect to our eyes. Right. But as astronomers, our whole job is to figure out how to analyze starlight very, very precisely. So we have specialized equipment that can detect these tiny shifts in wavelength. So you use this new method to measure how, like, stars wiggle, and it's called astrometry. Like, what is astrometry? Astrometry.

Astrometry is actually one of the oldest techniques in astronomy. It means measuring the position of the star in the sky. So if you can measure exactly where it is on the sky, you are doing astrometry. Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. So it's just straight up measuring where the star is. That's right. Measuring the coordinates of the star in the sky.

Yeah, and that's what I thought we were actually measuring when I first learned about star wiggling, like back in the 1990s. But you're saying that that was actually the Doppler method, and we were measuring like the speed of stars rather than like observing those stars move. Right. Okay. The astrometric method is conceptually simpler. We're just seeing the star move in the sky, wiggling back and forth. Now, we can't

We can't literally see it with our eyes. These motions are way too small. Okay, okay. So using this new method, like what kind of planets do we expect to see? The big difference is that the astrometric method, where you're seeing the star wiggle on the sky, is better at finding distant planets. Planets with very wide orbits. So why is that?

It's because the further away the planet is from the star, the larger its orbit, and that also makes the star's orbit wider, too. Got it. Okay. And since if we're trying to see the star wiggle, we want the star to be moving as far as possible. Right. So the wider the orbits, the better. So why is this method possible now, like when it wasn't before? Right.

Yeah, the big game changer was a European space mission called Gaia. They launched a telescope in 2013. It's actually two telescopes, and they're pointing in different directions, and the telescope is spinning around. In space. In space. So it's a spinning platform with two telescopes, and what the telescope is doing is it's measuring the exact time

at which a star crosses through the field of view of each telescope. So every time it rotates and sees a certain star, it clocks that moment. And if you have billions of such measurements, then you can calculate the exact positions of all of those stars with the utmost precision.

Okay, so to summarize, this new method is only possible because Gaia is capable of doing these precise measurements, which in turn makes it possible to really see these wiggling stars and help us identify potential exoplanets. And I mean, there's lots of stars out there. You found this one exoplanet with this new method. How did you pick which stars to look at?

So the team that operates the Gaia telescope prepared a list of about 75 stars that appeared to be wiggling back and forth. And so our idea was, okay, these appear to be new planets from the astrometric method. Let's use the Doppler method to see if we can confirm them. Okay. And as it turns out,

Most of those 75 objects are not exoplanets. They are something else. Yeah. So the one that we found came from a long kind of sifting through of these candidates, ruling out most of them and arriving at so far just one that we're pretty sure is an exoplanet. And this one exoplanet, which has since been named Gaia 4b, can you talk a little bit more about that planet? What do we know about it?

Sure. It is an unusually massive planet. It's almost 12 times the mass of Jupiter. Oh, wow. Wow. You might call it a super Jupiter. Yeah, I do like those. It's orbiting around its star every 571 days. What? It's lower in mass and redder and less luminous than the sun. Mm-hmm.

And it is located about 240 light years away. That's so close. It's pretty close by galactic standards. Yeah, I mean, for me, as someone who studied, like, galaxies that were, like, hundreds of millions of light years away. But I also, I love Jupiter. So, like, super Jupiters sound incredible. All of this Gaia data, like, just sounds so awesome. The Gaia mission actually just ended. Yeah, it ran for more than 10 years.

diligently collecting data and measuring the locations of all these billion or so stars.

But eventually, you know, all good things must come to an end. It ran out of fuel and it won't be conducting any more observations. But there's all this data that we haven't even looked at yet, right? Exactly, yeah. So about a year and a half, maybe two years from now, we're going to have a much larger set of data that they're busy processing right now. And that should lead to the detection of at least hundreds and probably thousands of new exoplanets.

So tell me more about how like using astrometry is going to like basically give us a more complete picture. Like why do you think it's important for people to know more about these other solar systems, these other planets around other stars? Well, imagine what it would be like if we didn't know about Jupiter or Saturn or Uranus or Neptune in our own solar system. We would have a really incomplete picture of what's going on around the sun. And we want to have

the same kind of complete knowledge of exoplanetary systems. We want to know about the little planets, the big planets, the nearby planets to the star, and the more distant planets, so that we can see what are the relationships between them. What are the patterns that hold in those systems and how do they compare to what we observe in our system? Yeah. It's hard to draw any conclusions when you're basing all your conclusions on one example, the solar system.

You really want thousands of data points and you want complete knowledge of those systems before you can be confident about any patterns that might exist. Yeah. Josh, thank you so much. I can't wait to see how many you find when you start analyzing that Gaia data. It's been a pleasure. Thanks for having me. If you like this episode, make sure you never miss a new one by following us on whatever podcasting platform you're listening from.

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