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Why Big Tech Wants Nuclear Power

2024/12/17
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Regina Barber: 本节目探讨了大型科技公司投资核电的原因,以及这种做法是否能够有效解决人工智能带来的巨大能源需求和气候变化问题。人工智能程序的运行需要消耗大量电力,一些研究人员估计,使用人工智能进行搜索的耗电量是普通谷歌搜索的十倍。大型科技公司最初计划通过可再生能源实现碳中和目标,但由于人工智能的高能耗,这种方法行不通。下一代数据中心耗电量巨大,可再生能源无法满足其需求,而且可再生能源面临巨大的能源储存问题,目前的技术无法解决。 Jeff Brumfield: 核电虽然存在风险,例如熔毁和核废料,但它可以产生大量的电力,且不会排放二氧化碳。三哩岛核电站的事故表明,即使发生事故,核电站也可以在修复后继续运行。微软购买了三哩岛核电站的电力,使得该电站得以重启,这表明大型科技公司正在积极投资核电。然而,一个核电站的电力不足以满足所有人工智能数据中心的需求,因此,这些公司还需要投资新型核反应堆。X-Energy公司设计的模块化小型核反应堆不易发生熔毁,但这种设计尚未经过实际验证,存在不确定性,而且使用氦气作为冷却剂,与传统反应堆不同,存在技术挑战。 Ted Nordhaus: 下一代数据中心耗电量巨大,可再生能源无法满足其需求。要实现碳中和目标,仅依靠可再生能源是不够的,因为规模问题和能源储存问题。 Brian Hansen: 三哩岛核电站的重启,得益于微软的长期电力购买协议,这为投资提供了财务保障。 Clay Sell: X-Energy公司设计的模块化小型核反应堆具有不易发生熔毁的优势,但这种设计尚未经过实际验证,存在不确定性。 Sharon Squassoni: 核电项目往往延期且超支,大型科技公司可能低估了投资核电的风险。在核电站建成之前,人工智能数据中心将继续使用天然气发电,导致碳排放增加。

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Why do big tech companies like Microsoft, Google, and Amazon need so much electricity?

AI programs are extremely power-hungry, with some estimates suggesting that an AI search can use 10 times more energy than a regular Google search. The next generation of data centers could consume as much power as 1 million U.S. households.

Why are big tech companies turning to nuclear power for their energy needs?

Nuclear power offers a low-carbon solution that can deliver large amounts of electricity without emitting greenhouse gases. This aligns with tech companies' commitments to reduce or eliminate their carbon footprints by 2030.

What challenges do big tech companies face in relying on renewable energy for their data centers?

Renewable energy sources like solar and wind require significant energy storage, which is currently expensive and not yet scalable. Massive batteries would be needed to power data centers at night or during low-wind periods, making renewables less feasible for their energy needs.

What is the significance of Microsoft's investment in Three Mile Island's nuclear plant?

Microsoft's power purchase agreement with Three Mile Island allows the plant to restart operations, providing around 800 megawatts of electricity. This investment gives the plant financial certainty and helps meet the energy demands of Microsoft's data centers.

What are the key differences between traditional nuclear reactors and the new designs being pursued by tech companies?

New reactors, like X-Energy's design, use small, modular units with pebble-shaped uranium fuel and high-pressure helium as a coolant. Unlike traditional reactors, these designs aim to be meltdown-proof and do not require large cooling towers.

Why might nuclear power not be the best immediate solution for big tech's energy needs?

Nuclear projects are known for being slow and expensive due to strict regulatory scrutiny. While tech companies need quick solutions to meet their growing energy demands, nuclear reactors take years to build and may not be operational fast enough to prevent increased emissions from natural gas plants.

What is the potential environmental impact if tech companies fail to transition quickly to low-carbon energy sources?

If AI data centers continue to rely on natural gas plants until nuclear reactors are operational, greenhouse gas emissions will rise, potentially exacerbating climate change. The urgency of the AI revolution clashes with the slow pace of nuclear development.

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AI uses a lot of power. Some of the next generation data centers may use as much power as one million U.S. households. Technology companies like Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Meta hope nuclear power will offer a climate solution for this energy use. Nuclear power plants can deliver hundreds of megawatts of power without producing greenhouse gas emissions. But some long-time watchers of the nuclear industry are skeptical that it's the right investment for big tech companies to make. **Read more of science correspondent Geoff Brumfiel's reporting here). ***Interested in more stories about the future of energy? Email us at [email protected]). We'd love to hear from you!Listen to every episode of Short Wave sponsor-free and support our work at NPR by signing up for Short Wave+ at plus.npr.org/shortwave).*Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices)NPR Privacy Policy)