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Why Black Holes Are More Than They Seem

2025/2/4
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Priyambada Natarajan: 我研究超大质量黑洞,例如我们银河系中心的那个。大众观念认为黑洞是宇宙吸尘器,吞噬一切物质和光线。但事实并非如此简单。当黑洞吞噬周围物质时,会形成一个明亮的吸积盘,就像一个发光的甜甜圈。然而,更令人惊讶的是,我们观察到黑洞还会喷射出强大的物质射流。这些射流有时长达数百万光年,携带巨大能量,这与我们通常对黑洞的理解大相径庭。 Roger Blandford: 我和Roman Znajek在剑桥大学合作研究黑洞射流的产生机制。我们提出的Blandford-Znajek机制认为,黑洞的自转和磁场是黑洞射流能量的主要来源。黑洞的自转会扭曲和放大磁力线,推动带电粒子沿黑洞的两极喷射出来,形成强大的射流。这就好比核反应堆,既具有破坏性,也可能成为能量来源。这个过程结合了爱因斯坦的广义相对论和麦克斯韦的电磁学方程,非常优美地展现了能量是如何从黑洞中提取出来的。 旁白: 黑洞射流的发现早于人们对星系的理解。Heber Curtis在1918年就观测到了M87星系中心黑洞的射流。如今,高分辨率成像技术让我们能够更近距离地研究黑洞射流,观察到黑洞周围强磁场的存在,以及射流的起始位置。这些图像不仅帮助我们理解射流的产生机制,也让我们对黑洞本身的特性有了更深入的了解。我们发现,黑洞不仅仅是吞噬物质的破坏者,也是塑造星系演化的重要参与者。黑洞射流会调节星系中的恒星形成,就像一个活塞,控制着恒星形成的数量和位置,影响着星系的形态和演化。黑洞及其射流在宇宙中扮演着关键角色,它们的影响力远超我们的想象。

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Contrary to popular belief, black holes are not merely cosmic vacuum cleaners. They are messy eaters, expelling powerful jets of material alongside the matter they consume. These jets can be millions of light-years long and are composed of white-hot plasma and radiation.
  • Black holes have a reputation for consuming everything, but they also expel powerful jets of material.
  • Supermassive black holes, like the one at the center of the Milky Way, are more than just cosmic vacuum cleaners.
  • These jets are beams of white-hot plasma and radiation that can be millions of light-years long.

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In pop culture, black holes have developed this reputation for gobbling things up. Being these points in the universe where all matter, even light, is inescapably sucked up into this extraordinarily dense black void. They're often seen as sort of cosmic vacuum cleaners, just sucking in all the material, gas and stars that stray close.

That's Priyambada Natarajan, an astrophysicist at Yale University who focuses on black holes, specifically how extremely large ones came to be. And Priya says these supermassive black holes, like the one in the center of our own Milky Way galaxy, are more than just cosmic vacuum cleaners.

Because when black holes eat material immediately around them, they create this bright disk, like a glowing donut. But... What is counterintuitive is that we do see very powerful jets of material that are actually expelled from them as well.

Basically, black holes are really messy eaters, so not all the dust and gas they eat make it down the hatch. And for a supermassive black hole, this can look like beams of white-hot plasma and radiation shooting out of that glowing donut just outside the event horizon that makes up the edge of the black hole. Sometimes these beams are millions of light-years long.

Roger Blanford says you can think of these black hole jets carrying this massive amount of energy, kind of like nuclear power. Of course, they can be famously destructive, but also it can be a source of power in a nuclear reactor. Roger's an astrophysicist and a professor at Stanford University. In the 1970s, when he and his friend Roman Znayek were at the University of Cambridge over in the UK, they started to look at how these black hole jets were created.

And they came up with a hypothesis for how these jets were powered. But it would take some time for all these pieces to come together to see if this explanation held true. So today on the show, a look at the most energetic objects in the universe, supermassive black hole jets. What are they? How they might be created? And what new images can tell us about these mysterious objects? I'm Regina Barber, and you're listening to Shortwave, a science podcast from NPR.

This message comes from Carvana. Discover your car's worth with Carvana Value Tracker. Stay up to date when your car's value changes. Always know your car's worth with Carvana Value Tracker. Okay, so funny thing about black hole jets. They were first imaged before astronomers could even agree on what a galaxy was. Heber Curtis is one of the astronomers at the center of that debate. And he's the one who first identified a jet in 1918.

At first, it seemed like a strange bright streak in the cosmos. And he saw what he called a curious straight ray, and that was an optical photograph of a jet. The ray was coming out of a fuzzy thing named M87, we now know to be an enormous galaxy 50 million light years from Earth. And M87...

harbors a supermassive black hole that's like six billion times the mass of the sun and it has a huge jet that's coming out that extends all the way and whose origin we can actually link to the black hole itself.

Fast forward to the early 70s when Roger was starting graduate school, and astronomy was buzzing with new discoveries. Humans had landed on the moon in 1969. The first black hole was confirmed to exist in 1971 after decades of mathematical theory. And astronomers were looking at the really bright centers of galaxies in our universe.

The centers of these galaxies have extremely massive black holes. And some also seem to have these bright streaks or jets of energy coming from the middle. Just like the one Curtis saw coming out of M87 decades earlier. So...

I was watching my colleagues and friends learn about these jets using their wonderful radio telescopes, which have got more and more wonderful as the years have rolled by. And these jets, they found, that were coming from these black holes were huge, four times as long as they were wide. These blazing streaks were stretching far past the width of the galaxies they lived in. This was a truly extraordinary thing because an object that's no bigger than the solar system, and in many cases larger,

some significantly smaller, is making enough power to outshine the surrounding galaxies by more than a thousand in some cases. That's even more impressive than a tiny little atomic nucleus in an atom producing all the power that it can produce. But how do these jets exist in the first place? Well, to solve any good mystery, we need clues. And we're better to look for clues than the black holes themselves.

Black holes have two important clues. First, black holes spin. Or as we say in physics, they have angular momentum. But why are black holes spinning? We believe that black holes are spinning because of the way in which material accretes onto them. The dust and gas getting sucked up into the black holes, they're also spinning and have angular momentum.

But along the way to entering a supermassive black hole, that dust and gas swirling in, it loses angular momentum. They swirl less. That's why it's able to swirl all the way in, but there's angular momentum that you get and that spins a black hole. Plus, we also know that's one way black holes grow. So the spin is a consequence, we believe, of how black holes actually assemble and grow in mass.

So stuff accumulates around these black holes and causes them to spin. But how is that material getting shot out into space in these huge energetic jets? Clue two, magnetic fields. Black holes have magnetic fields like stars and some planets do. And as black holes spin, these magnetic fields get tangled up. And charged particles in the gas get carried away along field lines and eventually into the jets.

There is a source of power, which is the spin of the black hole, and the magnetic field is the agency for removing it, if you like. But in addition, there's all this gas that is falling inwards, swirling around the black hole. And just like a satellite in the atmosphere, it gets hot, loses energy, falls down. And then it goes out. And with all these charged particles, you get radiation.

So by the time I was in graduate school, we already knew that the primary mechanism for jet production in black holes arises from sort of the interaction of strong magnetic fields with the spinning black hole, where the rotation of the black hole kind of twists and amplifies these magnetic field lines.

and pushing and propelling charged particles along the poles of the black hole into these powerful jets. And this process is often referred to as the Blanford-Znaik mechanism. And that's Roger, one of those names. Absolutely. The Blanford-Znaik process is a culmination of all of Roger and Roman's work.

And it upends the idea that black holes are just vacuum cleaners. The popular view is that you can't get anything out of a black hole.

But if the black hole is spinning and there are magnetic field lines, like those you would associate with a picture of a magnet or the Earth, if they go through the surface of the black hole, which is called the event horizon, then it is possible to take power out of the black hole. And that comes at the expense of the rotational energy of the black hole.

This hypothesis and its equations bring together big concepts in physics, like Albert Einstein's equations of general relativity, how gravity is just a warping of space-time, and James Clerk Maxwell's older electromagnetism equations that describe how electricity and magnetism interact.

It's just really beautiful because it combines these two very deep and profound ideas and shows you how energy can actually be extracted. But all of this is really hard to observe. And it wasn't until the last decade or so that scientists were able to really see the jets up close, with a bunch of radio telescopes around the world showing high-resolution images of the jet coming from that supermassive black hole at the center of M87, the one Heber Curtis stumbled upon in 1918.

Images also showed a magnetic field around the black hole, one step in supporting the Blanford-Sniak process. The fields are very strong and somewhat organized, as might have been expected. And also, they look like they're being created by gas swirling around the black hole. And they have the sort of distortion you might expect with it.

These images are the closest we can get to studying black holes directly. They're as up close as we can possibly get to a black hole's event horizon. They're able to see where the jet starts. And so that is pretty unprecedented. They're so close that scientists aren't just learning about jets. They're learning about the fascinating characteristics of black holes in general—

which as long as scientists have known about them, have been super mysterious. Understanding the history of these black holes, how they started, how they grew. Like babies, they are fed and they grow. And how this happened, what their impact was on their surrounding galaxies, how they framed the evolution of the universe, that is a thing we're learning today.

Everything we're learning about black holes points to them being huge players in the universe. The supermassive black holes in the center of galaxies affect the whole galaxy, the billions of stars in them, and the planets that orbit those stars. We now believe that these black hole jets are

are critical in they sort of modulate the formation of stars in the galaxy itself. So they become sources of energy and produce, they add heat to the gas. They prevent stars from forming by, and they prevent cooling. So you don't form stars. So they act as a weird sort of, you know, interestingly, like a piston, if you will, of how many stars will form. And so they appear to be shaping stars.

The morphology, so how stars are formed, where they form in galaxies, and what times they form in. So they seem to be really much more important than we previously believed. So, black holes. Destroyers, yeah. But at times, creators too. They're powerful entities molding galaxies from the inside out. And we are just starting to get to know them.

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