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Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to episode 22 of Chasing the Sweet Things in Life, the
You turned 22? Yeah, it's a national holiday. It's my birthday today. Yay! Yay! Yeah, no, I'm actually 26. Okay. Yeah, you know, I don't like people. Times two. Now, how old are you actually? 54? No, I think I'm 53. What year were you born? 66. 66 to 16. Oh my God, I'm 24. I'm 54. 54. Wow.
I thought I was 53. 54 years old, daddy. It's going the wrong way. That's all I can say. 54 is young. Ish. Ish. Yeah. It's young-ish. Yeah. It's just, I don't know. It's so strange to be 54 because now I kind of understand what my grandmother, you know, what old people were talking about. Yeah.
You know, how you grow older. And fall apart. How your body more or less falls apart. Yeah. And also, like, how you start thinking more about, like, the good old days. And you talk about, like, the old days. For sure. Which back then, when I was a kid, I thought I was so corny. Yeah. Oh, my God. They're talking about, like, this shit again. Yeah. Yeah.
But now I'm turning into my, I can swear I'm turning into my grandmother. That's okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Are birthdays important to you? They used to be. They did. Yeah. Yeah. Not anymore. Yeah. It's just a day. Yeah. I mean, the last big birthday I celebrated was my 50th. Yes. Which was fabulous. Yes.
Yeah, he did a party at the rooftop of Nomad Hotel in New York City. Yeah, that was really... The food was so good. We had like food and drinks and cocktail. And, you know, our good friend Matthew Robbins, he did all the flowers and there was a beautiful cake. And it was really... Yeah. It was very sweet. Yeah.
It's too short though. It was only like two hours, right? I know, but that was all I could afford. Yeah, it was expensive and it was only for two hours. But you know, you only turn 50 once. Which in a few years I'll turn 50. So hopefully we won't be quarantined at that time. Lordy. Yeah. I mean, having a birthday while quarantined is kind of crazy. Yeah. I have to say. Yeah, because it's not like it's a big day, but you know, you want to...
You know, I would expect you to take me out to a fabulous dinner. Of course. You know? Of course. And now it's, yeah. Yeah. But friends of ours here in Palm Springs did something very sweet. Yes, you should tell her about that because that was a total surprise. Well, our friends, our best Judys here, Randy and John...
One of our favorite places to have brunch is called Farm here in Palm Springs. And they sent us a picture that they had ordered pickup from Farm the other day.
Of their famous chicken and waffles. And Paul was so jealous. And not just that. And also they have the best Bloody Marys ever. You know, the Bloody Marys that come with bacon and celery. And like everything. Those little like hot Italian. It's a meal. A whole buffet. It's a meal. Anyway, so Paul was really jealous. So Randy, I told them that it was Paul's birthday today. And so...
Randy messaged me directly and said, we want to get Paul brunch from farm tomorrow for his birthday, but don't tell him and we'll come and drop it off. So I told Paul yesterday morning or Sunday morning, I said, let's just have eggs because I, you know, I want to do a little like, I don't know what I'd said. I tried to play it off.
He's like, okay. So he's like, I'm going to go do ceramics. So then Randy came with the food and pulled around and Paul was in the garage making ceramics. Yeah, I was very surprised. And it was... I've been cooking now for five weeks straight. Yeah. And it's not that I don't mind, but you know, you get a little bit tired of your own food. Yes. So getting like this amazing... So it's this beautifully made waffles. And then...
It's like a gravy that has chicken and pieces of sausage and some potatoes in it. And you pour that over and then there's like this amazing crispy. Bacon. Perfectly cooked crispy bacon. Yeah, with a side of greens. It was. So, it was delicious. It was so, so good. It was so good and so rich. It literally kind of like put me into a coma. I know.
I was kind of like, oh my gosh, I'm going to go into a diabetic coma. Well, I had two Bloody Marys. So after a little bit, I was like, yeah, I think we all need to go and take a nap. Yeah. It was a nice treat. So we all ended up in bed, both me and James and the doggies, and we slept for two hours. Yeah, totally. Yeah.
So I'm glad they helped make your birthday this year special. Yes, it was really amazing. So we're trying to decide what to do tonight. We might get some Italian takeout. We're just trying not to spend a whole bunch of money on takeout food right now. Yeah, because that is so expensive. So we can't do that. I'm actually dying for lasagna.
I don't have anything here to make lasagna of. I'm dying for a good lasagna. There's an Italian restaurant around the corner from our house that, again, we heard from John and Randy that it was really good. We're like, oh my gosh. A, we didn't know it was still open right now. And B, that it was delicious. So we've been wanting to run over there and grab some Italian food. Yeah. So we might do that tonight. Yes. Yeah. Oh, do you know who else has birthday today?
Oh, yeah, the queen. Queen Elizabeth? Yes. So I have to repeat. I told this story before, but when I was, I don't know, I had just learned how to write. And a friend of the family helped me translate it into English. I wrote the Queen of England just to inform her. Not to congratulate her, but to inform her that we had birthday on the same day. Yeah.
And a couple of months later, we did get a reply, a letter from Buckingham Palace. I can still remember my mom brought it in and she was like, oh my God, you have a letter from Buckingham Palace. And it was from one of the ladies-in-waiting that said that. The queen appreciated my well wishes for her birthday. And I was like, I didn't well wish her. I was just informing her that, you know. You had the same birthday? Yeah, that we shared the same birthday. Oh, great. Yeah.
I just wanted to hurt you now. I love it. I love it. So do you have any other birthday memories as a child? Yeah, I have a couple. So one of my mottos is always perfection is boring. And that whole thing started with actually a birthday party. Really? Oh, you told this story too about the cake. Yeah. That my...
I must have been maybe like six or seven. And my grandmother made, well, actually this year. So every year for my birthday or anyone's birthday or any like big celebrities in our family, we had a cake called a Lugano cake. And Lugano is a small town in Switzerland.
And there was one bakery in Oslo that made this cake. And it was, if I remember correctly, it was like a vanilla sponge. And then it had like a sort of banana cream. It had like a chocolate kind of Nutella-ish cream. And then I think there was like some thin layers of raspberry or strawberry jam. And then the whole thing was covered in green marzipan.
Wow. And we had that cake for many, many years. So was it supposed... Was it a white sponge cake? Yes. Oh, okay. Yes. I tried to look online. I tried several times to find a recipe or anything for that cake. And it doesn't exist anywhere. Wow. So if any listeners know how to make a Lugano cake, please let me know. But what was different this time was that my grandmother had baked a chocolate cake. And it...
You know, she put it on the cake stand and finished it. And it was really wonky. And I said to her, like, Grandma, your cake is, it doesn't look like the magazines. Yeah. And she took a puff of her cigarette and she was like, oh, Paul, perfection is so boring. And that's where that whole thing came from. Fabulous. Yeah.
I love it. And of course, she's right. Perfection is boring. The main thing is his thing. I'd rather have a wonky chocolate cake that tastes amazing than a perfect one that doesn't taste anything. Exactly. How many times have we gone to like a restaurant or a grocery store? And something looks good but doesn't taste good. Yeah. And, you know, it looks so good. And you take it home and you take a bite and you're like, oh. Doesn't taste like anything. Yeah. Totally. Totally.
So, another story is... Oh, so, I don't know how about New York, but when I was a kid, it was a popular thing to have, like, you had a little gathering at home, and then you took all the kids to a movie. Huh. Yeah.
When I grew up, that was like a thing. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So we would... Yeah, that's sort of something that I would do as a grown person. We actually... A bunch of... When I owned a hair salon in Brooklyn, we... All the stylists came upstate with us. And we all went to Red Lobster and then to go see the Devil Wears Prada. So that was something we did with friends. But as a little kid...
It kind of makes sense that you would do. Yeah, I remember especially one year because one of my favorite movies as a kid was Robin Hood, the Walt Disney Robin Hood animated. I absolutely loved that. And I think I was maybe like in second grade or maybe third that I invited people from my class and we had like cake and hot dogs at home and then we went to see a movie. Yeah. I hadn't told them which movie we were going to see. Oh, really? Yeah.
And we saw Robin Hood. And afterwards, I got teased because it was kind of like considered like a lame movie. No. Yes. Had it already been out? Yes. It had already been. So I think this was maybe like a third or fourth screening. I don't know. Yeah. But. Oh. Yeah, they kind of teased me that, you know.
Did I let them go and see like a lame movie? Oh, no. It's fine. I got over it. Yeah. Should we take a break and then come back with more stories? Okay. Okay. Another thing is that I would, of course, I had very high expectations for the gifts. Oh, my gosh. I would, of course, make long lists as I did for Christmas. Very long lists that I would distribute in the family in...
You know, a good amount of time before, so I knew that they had time to, you know, to shop. Yeah. Oh my God. And, you know, when I was really young, it was of course like toys and stuff like that. And once I started school, it was more like clothing.
Yeah. That I wanted like a certain pair of pants or a certain brand of shirts and jacket. Yeah. So that was very, yeah. I remember I, you know, we didn't have a copy or anything. So I made like
Duplicates. Yes, I made duplicates. I actually did. I had like, you know, what was that called? Remember we had these sheets that you put between. Yeah, yeah. It's like transfer paper. Yeah, yeah. That had that purpley ink. Yes. Yeah.
So I would make that and then I would give one to my grandmother, one to my great aunt, one to my mom, one to my dad and one to my... Well, my sister wasn't, you know, she couldn't really... Did you ever ask for something so extravagant that you either did or didn't get it? No, it wasn't like super extravagant. It was more like...
You never asked for like a Rolex or something? Oh, no, no, no, no. No, just more like your like cost shirt or, you know, something like that. No, I never asked for a Rolex. Yeah. Well, you know, the thing is in Europe, I know for sure in Italy, like, you know, when you turn 16 or 18 or whatever, like they don't buy you a car.
You oftentimes get a Rolex. Like you get a nice watch. Yes, yes. Like that's the extravagant gift in Europe. Yeah. I also got – so I didn't get – what's it called? Confirmation? Yeah. You call it that? Yeah. So I didn't want to do that. So I'm not confirmated or whatever you call it. Confirmed. I'm not confirmed. You're not confirmed. You're canceled. I'm canceled. Oh.
But, you know, that was a big thing with all my classmates. And it was this whole, like, you know, who got the biggest gifts and the most money and all that stuff. Yeah. And I didn't want to do it because I knew that this wasn't because they believed in anything. It was just, you know, they just wanted gifts and money. Yeah. And I was smart enough not to... I didn't want to go through that whole thing just to get, like, a couple of hundred dollars. Yeah. But I did complain to my parents that, oh, yeah, everyone else is getting, like... And I got...
I think my mom bought me like two or three Lacoste polo shirts. Yeah. Because that was like the big thing back then. Yeah, of course. Yeah. So I had a Lacoste in more or less every color. I love it. I wish I could see pictures. Including my... I had socks. They were white socks with two green stripes and a crocodile. Yeah. Yeah. Cute. I was very...
Yeah. Oh, well. How about you? Do you have any amazing birthday? The funny thing is, I think the only birthday party I had was when I was five years old. And there was pictures of my little classmates at my house. When did you start school? At five? Yeah. I think it was kindergarten or first grade. Just because five is sort of like a... Maybe I was older. Because we start at seven. No, you start at five years old. Kindergarten is five years old here. Oh.
But birthday parties were never a thing for me. I don't... Once in a while when I was older, we would like go to dinner and my parents would kind of try to invite friends to come. But I was always sort of like a loner. I didn't really have friends my entire life. Only a couple of friends. So the idea of having a party, just like now, like if we ever had a wedding ceremony, it's like I would invite like five people. Like, you know, I just don't have...
Yeah, I never understood the whole like... Yes, we are inviting like 150 of our closest friends. I'm like, who can have 150 close friends? That's not possible. No, that's a ton of BS. So birthdays were never that important to me.
I mean, I had friends that if you didn't remember their birthday, it was like you were like put on the list. Oh, you know, like, you know, and if you didn't, it was like a competition about how many gifts and like, you know, it was just like, yeah. So I never know. It's never been that important to me.
And so, I mean, I always say every new decade, like 30, 40, it's like, oh, I want to do something special. But then, of course, there's always some sort of like recession or pandemic. You know, it's always something gets in the way. So it's like hopefully in a few years when I turn 50, we'll be in a good place. So we could like go somewhere and like, you know, whatever. So I've never taken it that seriously.
I've actually, when you said the whole like forgetting birthdays. Yeah. So this was, I guess I was in my early, no, late twenties. And it was my birthday. I was living by myself and I was like, Oh, why didn't my family call me? No one from my family called me. I said anything. Yeah. Late at night.
My mom calls and I'm like, oh, yes. She's going to wish me happy birthday. Yeah. And she calls and she's just like chatting and everything. And I'm like, holy crapoli. She has forgotten my birthday. They have all forgotten my birthday. Oh, my gosh. So after we've been talking for a little bit, I'm like, so is there something special happening today? And she was like, no. What are you talking about? Like, no. No.
And all of a sudden, she gets completely quiet. And then I can hear her whispering to my dad and my sister, oh, my God, we forgot Paul's birthday. Oh, my gosh. And I just said, yeah, it's my birthday. I can totally feel the love. And then I hung up. Oh, my. I love it. And she...
She called and called and called and I didn't answer. Oh my God, I love it. I was like, nope, she can fry in her own fat. I am, nope. That is amazing. I actually got so tired of her calling that
So I just unplugged the phone. That is amazing. I didn't plug it in until the next. And that was, you cannot believe how much I milked that situation. By the way, this was like five years ago. Just kidding. How old were you? I must have been like 26 or 27. No, yeah, 27 or 28. Yeah. I mean, of course, I mean, you forget 50s.
But, you know, you're not supposed to forget your kid's birthday. I'm sorry. Yeah. So, yeah. So whenever there was anything, I was always like, oh, yes. Do you remember that time you guys forgot my birthday? And I would always put on like my sad eyes. So when did you finally speak to your mother after that? The next day.
And what did she say? No, she was just like, I'm sorry, but honestly, you could have picked up the phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So did they make it up to you? Did she buy you something? I think they took me. No, they took me out for a nice dinner. Yeah. That's so funny. I love it. So dramatic. Yeah. Yeah, it was very typical of me back then to be like. Yeah. So what are some of the best gifts you've ever gotten? Ooh.
Well, I have to say the chicken and waffle thing is definitely up there. Yes, yes. It was very thoughtful and very surprising. And very essential. Yes. Essential services coming through. Well, you bought me nice things this year. You actually bought because we moved just before this whole shit went down. And you got me a KitchenAid. Yeah. And a...
A mixer and a blender. Yeah. We left everything behind, sold off everything in New York. So that was a good sort of intuition I had. I was like, why don't I buy you a Christmas or your birthday gift early? Because, you know, so he could be productive. And thank God we bought it. I know. I know. We've been using it. Because it would have seemed extravagant now. Yes. But I bought it before. Yeah. No. I wouldn't have. You would have been with a whisk trying to make cakes. Like.
That's fine. I've done that. I mean, I've done that before. It's totally fine. But yeah, that's a great, good gift. Oh, I think I was. Yeah, I actually remember this. So when I was a kid, it was one brand of like puff. So, you know, in Norway in winter, it's cold. And it was an extremely cold winter. And I have really wanted one of these. It was a puffy jacket. And the brand was called Fusalp.
It was an Italian brand. I don't know if they're still around. But it was like the thing to wear in Norway back then in like the early 80s. Yeah. And there was only one shop selling them. And they were expensive, like a few hundred dollars. And I really wanted one. And I wanted one for Christmas and I didn't get it.
And oh my God, I talked about that jacket. I talked about that jacket. I tried to save up money, but you know, there's always something pressing. Yeah. Candy or, you know. Yeah. And I wanted the, it was a dark blue one. I mean, there's two different ones. It was a dark blue one with a red lining. And then there was a light blue one with a red lining. And I wanted the dark blue one with the red lining. Of course.
And I've been several times to try on that freaking jacket. And I'm sure the people in the store were just like, oh my God, here he is again trying on the freaking jacket. Yeah. And my parents got it for me for my... For your birthday? Yeah. Oh, sweet. Yeah, the only thing that was sad about it was that, you know, it was April and it was kind of more or less spring. So...
And I have to admit, I wore that jacket out in May because I was like, yeah, I was sweating like a pig. But, you know. Yeah, totally. I wanted everyone to see that, oh my God, my jacket. Yeah, I mean, I had certain looks when I was a kid that, like growing up in LA, it's like wearing an army green cotton cardigan to Disneyland in the summer because it was my look. It was not weather appropriate. No, no.
So it was like I was warm a lot because I had a full-blown look. Yeah. But, you know, sometimes you have to get warm for fashion. Of course. This is how it is. Yeah. So anything else birthday? Birthday, birthday, birthday? Since this is the birthday episode. I know. No, all I want to say is that, you know, it's going to be...
It's another day in paradise and I'm just happy that I'm here with you and the dogs and we have space and, you know, we have food in the fridge. Yeah. It couldn't be a better birthday than that. I mean, considering what we're up against. Of course. You know, it's, yeah, everything is so uncertain. And so we just have to take what's positive and positive.
Absolutely. There's a lot to be grateful for. Yes, there is. And there's a lot of people that don't have what we have. So we have to be thankful for that. Absolutely. Okay. We're going to take a little break. We're going to find our questions and then we'll be right back. And we are back with a section of the podcast called What's Up, Sweet Paul? What's Up, Sweet Paul? Okay.
Beatrice from Denver. Hey, boys. I love the podcast. And when I heard last time that you are Drag Race fans, I love you even more. My question, we have all been on lockdown for weeks now. How do you guys deal? How do you keep a somewhat normal everyday life and all this? Please be safe because we need people like you. Oh, that's so sweet. Oh, that's nice.
Okay, how do we deal? I mean, we don't really talk or focus on the fact that we're, I mean, sometimes we're like, this is so boring. Like when we're going to sleep, we're like, this is so boring. I know. Or like, we'll be like, oh, this is like so surreal. But it's like, I cannot believe we're in our sixth week now. Yeah. Like, I guess what it is, is we just try to like be present and enjoy it.
And not really think about it too much. I mean, do you think a lot about it? I did for a while. And then what's helped me a lot is that I watch the news for maybe 10 minutes in the morning and then I just turn it off. Because I can't. If we had the news on all day, that would be... It's just too much because it's all like... I feel like every day there's something new and something crazy. So I can't focus too much about that. You know, I have to focus on what's happening here that, you know...
We're cooking three times a day. I'm dealing with a magazine. I'm doing some ceramics in the garage. We're dealing with the dogs. We just, I mean, we just have to take it as it comes. There's nothing we can like. It's just like, you know, it's sort of like a lazy six weeks instead of just a lazy day. I mean, and I too, you know, I do the work I can. We're really trying to focus on how to support makers and keep our audience engaged and
And that's been really, really great. Really great. And so we're also thinking about some other initiatives and opportunities. You should talk about what you're doing on social media. Oh, so what we did really early on actually is come up with a solution to collaborate with our makers and merchants to produce content that we could then push through on Instagram. Some people are doing other sort of things.
but we came up with one that's had a lot of engagement, a lot of great response, and it lives permanently on our social feeds. So yeah,
That's been really fun to see people gain followers and get sales and just feel supported. And the amazing thing about that is it's really this time and these sort of like pivots have really opened our eyes in ways that is even when we are back to doing live events, it's like we're going to continue those marketing initiatives because it's important. It has also given us other ideas and other ways of reinforcing this movement that isn't just like,
you know, status quo. Like, you know, so it's been really an exciting learning curve in six weeks. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, it's important now to, you know, if you have any extra money to spend it on like small things that matter. Yeah, things that matter and spend it on small makers because as I said before, you know, a $50 sale can mean that that person, you know, can,
Go and buy groceries for $50. Exactly. There's not that many places now to sell stuff. I mean, it's more or less only online. So if you can support, that is like super important. For sure. So that's how we've been using our time. And, you know, it's also like, you know, it's oftentimes, you know, just feeling defeated and
Sometimes you can't help it. But if you just take one step forward and then another step forward and then another step forward each day, like the more that you're able to do and accomplish, the better you feel. That's true. Like whether it's cleaning, whether it's answering emails, whether it's like not completely giving into a lazy sort of pit. You know, it's kind of like inaction feeds depression in a way. Yeah.
So just take action every day. Do something. Clean something. Like write down ideas. Like go for a – like take a shower. Exactly. Like comb your hair. Comb your hair. Go for a walk around the block. Like all those little things like –
you back up. Because it gives you a little bit of something normal. A normalcy. Like, you know, taking a shower and actually putting on pants instead of the sweatpants. Yeah, make yourself up and take some cute selfies. Do craft projects. There's so much content out there right now of things to do during this time. So, have at it. Okay, thanks Beatrice. That was a long answer to a simple question.
Well, you know, it is a little complicated because, I mean, if you're stuck at home and maybe you have like your grandmother is there and then you have three kids and your husband and you have like a two bedroom, I mean, it's a lot. It is a lot. Yeah.
Okay, Xander from Rochester, New York. I'm thinking of starting a podcast and have a question. Do you edit yourself or do you have someone else do it? Your pod is an inspiration to me, so keep them coming. I love that so much. Thank you. Well, my idea first was that I wanted to edit them myself, the episodes.
And I looked into it and I even had like a friend. I did like a video thing with a friend. He showed me exactly how to do it. And after that video, I was like, yeah, no, that's not going to happen. Exactly. Because it's just too like technical. My brain doesn't really go there. Yeah. And it's not even just editing like as in maybe cutting off. There's a lot to it because A, there's maybe – I mean –
Our podcasts are actually pretty verbatim. But we found a good editor who cuts out maybe like a cough or like a pause that we needed to do to deal with a dog or maybe a loud noise. The door rings. Yeah. So he cuts out some of the just like the annoying things that happen. But yeah.
he's not rearranging the dialogue really. Oh, no, no, no. But it's still a lot to go through. So yeah. And then you have the, you know, added music and all that. It's,
Here's the thing. If you are somewhat technical inclined, you can totally do it yourself. It's actually not that hard. It's just that my brain can't really go there. We're not that interested in... No. I just can't deal with this. So now's the time to probably find a good editor who needs some work. It doesn't have to cost that much. No, there's plenty of companies. I'll email you and tell you which one we use. But there's tons of companies that...
can do this for you. And it's super easy. You just tape your podcast into a SIM card and then you download that to Dropbox and they will take it from your Dropbox. They will edit it and put it back in the Dropbox and then you can put it up on a hosting site. Yes. And then you should look into Simplecast for broadcasting your distribution. Yes. And analytics. And good luck. Good luck. Let us know. Yes.
Okay, so last question for today. Gwen from Brooklyn. I'm so loving the podcast right now. I discovered it a couple days ago and I've listened to all the episodes. What stories do you tell? Have you thought about publishing your memoir? I would totally buy it. Lots of love from an old neighbor in Brooklyn. You know what's so funny is...
When we first started talking about doing this podcast, that was the whole point. I was like, why don't we, because I always told Paul he should write his memoir. And then the conversation became, well, why don't we just go through your life chronologically and,
And maybe as if you were, you know, recording the stories for an eventual memoir. I think you should write one. Because we've barely scratched the surface, I'm sure, of all the stories. I know, I know. Well, yeah. I just don't feel like anyone would be that interested. It's not like I'm like Shirley MacLaine or anything. No, but it's like, first of all, a Scandinavian who is a creative, self-taught, who
works throughout Europe, comes to America, and you're an immigrant. It's a fabulous story. I think now it's just in this world we live in right now, it is charming and interesting. Maybe I should stop. But can't you talk to your publisher and have her listen to the podcast and be like, I'm thinking about doing this as a book? I can totally do that. Okay. Well, I'm happy that one person at least will buy it. Okay, one person would buy it.
Okay, that's $20. Yeah, you can pre-order it now at sweetballmagazine.com. $65. No kidding. Well, it's fully illustrated. Yeah, it's fully, yeah. Oh my God. Okay, yeah, I'll think about it. Yeah. Well, thank you, Gwen. Thanks for your kind words. Yes. Hope you're doing well in Brooklyn. Stay sane.
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