Come Fly With Me + Sister
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Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of Chasing the Sweet Things in Life, the Sweet Paul podcast. Yes, number five. Number five. And I have called that Come Fly With Me plus Sister. Side note. Begrudging admittance of sister. I know. We will come back to my sister. I'm just kidding. I love her, but you know.

You got to tease her a little bit because she has been asking me when. Oh, she has actually. Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh. Like when is the time for...

She has sent in a question for us. Oh, okay. Like, when is my damn episode? You'll get the last couple of minutes, sweetie. Yeah, the last 30 seconds. Side note, side note. I had a sister. Anyway, moving on. Let's talk about me. How was your week?

It was good. We were supposed to have an easy trip to San Francisco this last weekend, but there were brush fires and they shut the freeways down just as we were going to go over the grapevine. So we had to drive all the way around to Santa Barbara. It was kind of scary there for a second because no one really... It's really chaotic because no one knows where to go. No one knows how to...

get anywhere. There's no detours. The GPS is useless. Yeah, the GPS sent us right into the burning bushes. Yeah, we wasted an hour in traffic to a road that was shut down. So...

We drove like seven or eight hours and then still had a four-hour drive Saturday morning. So that was exhausting. It was a beautiful... I mean, I've never taken that route before. Yeah. So we ended up in Santa Barbara and then drove the 101 the rest of the way. And it was beautiful. It was just a little extra. Yes. A little extra. It would have been easier if we, like we're going to talk about in today's episode, if we flew...

But of course, you can't fly with all my stuff. I know, yeah, because all his ceramics are... They're highly breakable, so we can't fly with those. But yeah, today we're going to talk about flying and sister. What about flying? So when I was a kid, and this started quite early, I was obsessed about flying. Airplanes? Yes. Like taking a trip or... Anything that had to do with flying, we would even... I remember as a kid...

Back then, it was hard to get like foreign magazines like Vogue and Elle and Marie Claire and stuff. So my mom, who was into fashion, we would go to the airport in Oslo. And there was a magazine store there where you could get... Like a newsstand. Yeah, a newsstand where you can get like all the fancy magazines.

And I just loved going because, you know, we would buy the magazines and then we would have a hot dog and a little Coke and we would kind of like, you know, do a little outing. Love it. As people did, they used to do. Did you guys ever just go for a drive just to go for a drive? Yeah-ish. Yeah, we would. Yeah. We would drive to downtown LA and my dad would circle the block because my mom ran in to get like her favorite fried shrimp.

Fried shrimp. Yeah, like a brown paper bag of fried shrimp. We would get a hot dog. Yeah, or I guess we would take drives, maybe. Yeah, we would do that, like, if we were bored, we would like, oh, let's go for a drive.

So the airport was like one of those things. And of course, I was so mesmerized by, especially like the stewardesses in their uniforms. I thought it was so chic. And every time we flew, as I grew up, I got more and more obsessed. And I desperately wanted to work abroad.

As a cabin crew. Really? Yes. Did they have... Is SAS in Norway or is... Yeah, so SAS is a Scandinavian... Airline system. So it's Norway, Denmark, and Sweden. But you also have Norwegian Air. Yes, now we do. Back then we didn't. Oh, you didn't. It was just SAS. Yeah, it was SAS and another Norwegian carrier. But yes, total obsessed. And I remember... I must have been like five, six. We...

We're going to the Canary Islands and we got like rerouted and rebooked on like a ton of planes. And we ended up somewhere in Germany. And then we took an Air France plane to,

to the Canary Islands and it was a jumbo jet and they upgraded us to first class because I guess I felt sorry for us because we were like we had travel and travel and never get to where we're going. And your life must have never been the same. My life changed because they were so chic. They all had like little navy blue uniforms and they all had these kind of like a bob

Yeah. The hair. Yeah. And they open up the lounge upstairs. So you could like go up the little staircase and there was a little lounge where they serve drinks and can of paste. I was literally. Up there with the martini at five. I was literally in heaven. And I remember asking my mom, why are all the women so beautiful? And my mom said, because they're French. Oh. Yeah. Yeah.

So after that, I was like, yes, this is what I want to do in my life. I want to work as a cabin crew, but of course, only in first class. Oh my God, I love it. Only first class. I want to have a little uniform, maybe not a bob. But yes, that's exactly what I wanted to do. And for how long did you have that dream? Maybe till I was like...

fifth grade or something. Okay. Yeah. So you never actually pursued it? No. So my big hobby would be to write letters to all the airlines in the world and like tell them that I wanted to be... No, stop it. Yeah, I did. I managed to get a friend to help me with like an English like standard letter. Yeah. And it has changed it to like

They're Alitalia. They're Air France. They're British Airways. Lufthansa. Yes. Oh, my God. KLM. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. And I sent out all these letters. And I just told them that I wanted to be, if they had any tips. Oh, my God. You're killing me. So sweet. And, yeah, I got a lot of responses from...

Did you ever get like little wings? I got little wings. I got like model airplanes. My dad was like, okay, oh my God, I have to go to the post office again to pick up a package for you. Oh my gosh. Yeah. They were like, what is going on? So yeah, I made a whole display in my room with all the stuff and they sent books like leaflets, booklets. Yeah. Yeah.

I love it. I wasn't kind of like an expert on how to. That probably perpetuated your letter writing because you wanted to see what else you could get. Yeah, totally. I was like, ooh, free staff. Oh, my gosh. No, I loved it. And...

How often did you travel on a plane as a child? We traveled quite a lot because we would go on vacations and then we would go like little trips around Scandinavia. We would mostly fly. Yeah. You loved it every time. I loved it every time. And I would steal more or less anything that wasn't bolted to the floor. Yeah.

Oh, cutlery. Is this back when they had the George Jensen cutlery on SAS? The stainless steel salt and pepper shakers and stuff? I had those. Oh, my God. I had from every major airline. And the great thing was that, you know, other people learned about my obsession. So whenever they were flying, they would steal little things from me. Oh, my God. And my most treasured

was a little glass that said a Concord on it. Really? Yeah, a little champagne glass. Who did you know that took the Concord? Some friend of my dad's. Wow. Yeah, I would, you know, the barf bags. I had like a hundred of those stashed away. Yeah, like the pillows. Did you get pillows? I didn't take the... Or blankets? And I never took the...

The safety instructions. Okay. Because I thought that was like a little irresponsible. Yeah. Kind of dark. Yeah. But I did want, I took the whole tray and I put it in my bag and the hostess was like, didn't I give you something? And I was like, no, you didn't give me anything. Oh my gosh. And I remember coming to the hotel and I washed everything. Like all the little compartments and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was fun. But the craziest thing.

It's that I actually built an airplane in the basement. Of your house? Of our house. So we had this big basement that no one really used. It was a laundry room down there and a pantry, but the rest of the basement no one really used. So what I did, I found my grandmother's old dining room chairs and I lined those up. I got like old ties from somewhere. That was the seatbelts.

I put all like the teddy bears and stuff that was the passengers. And then that was in a little room. And then outside of that room was another little room that I made into the pantry.

You know, the kitchen. Oh, yeah. For service. Yes, for service. And I made a whole kitchen out of cardboard. Cardboard boxes. Oh, my gosh. That I cut out and did this whole thing where, you know, the trays glide in and out. Yeah, I made all that. And I also made a little cart. To go serve. To go serve. Oh, my gosh. You're like coffee, tea. Yes, coffee, tea, me. Yeah.

My grandmother did the catering. She was a catering company. I forced her to make like trays of real food, trays of canopies and stuff like that. I made the red syrup, the saft. Yeah. That was like the red wine. I had Coke and all those products. I even had empty perfume boxes. Yeah. That was the duty-free.

Oh my gosh. Oh, no, no. This was, and I would go downstairs, get everything ready, and they would hear upstairs me going, bing, bong, welcome on board these British Airways flight 749 to New York. Our flying time will be six hours and 50 minutes. Please say C2 and blah, blah, blah, blah. And I would literally stay down there all day.

All day. Like for an entire flight. Yes, for an entire flight. I even had an in-flight entertainment system. No. Yeah, no, I had. Because we had this old production thing. Yeah. Yeah, so I hung up a sheet in the front of the cabin. And then after a couple hours, I would show like a little movie. I had like one Popeye movie that I would show on every flight. Yeah, so. I can't.

I mean... I was... Obsessed. I was... Yes. But I love that you were so...

like thorough in your execution of your fantasy. Oh yeah. Like, you know, most kids might be like, Albert. No, it's like, no, you literally created. Yeah. And I would, you know, I would sometimes ask my little friend, Rudy, if she wanted to come along and she thought it was funny for like 10 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. You know, for other kids, of course that wasn't, you were invested fully, you know, we weren't really playing. I was working.

Okay. No, you know, I was working. Yeah. Yeah, it was first, it was welcome on board service with like red wine. And then, you know, we took off and then it was meal service. Then it was entertainment. And then it was duty free. And then usually a little coffee, tea, snack after that. And then we landed. Genius. Yeah, I had it all.

I had it all figured out. I love it. And I was so invested that... So I had, you know, I made a little... Almost like a little shrine, right?

with all my airline stuff. And then SAS had sent me this really beautiful poster of DC-10. And it was one of the posters where you could see inside the plane. Yeah. So every night before bedtime, I would look at that poster. I had this mantra every day. I know this sounds crazy. And then I would turn off the light.

And I had to do that every night. Okay, let's take a break and then I want to hear exactly what your mantra was. Hello, friends. Friends of the pod. Oh my gosh. I stole that from Alaska. Alaska and Willem. Anyway, so as you know, we launched Mojave Flea over the winter and we're heading into our holiday season events with Mojave Flea. And the first one is at the iconic...

25-year-old The Lab Anti-Mall in Costa Mesa. So The Lab Anti-Mall, it's called The Lab, and it's an anti-mall, has been around since, I mean, I was probably in high school or just out of high school. And we used to go there, and it was so cool. It was one of the early Urban Outfitters locations. Tower Records was there.

Well, over the last two and a half decades, it's grown into this really amazing retail and food and beverage sort of compound in Costa Mesa. It's just over the highway from South Coast Plaza, which is this fabulous high-end shopping mall. And we're popping up there for a holiday market on Saturday, November 9th. And I'm so excited because the team there is incredible. All the other retailers there are incredible. There's a brewery. There's restaurants everywhere.

So if you're anywhere in Orange County, please come see us on Saturday, November 9th at The Lab in Costa Mesa. And I will be there. And Paul will be there for our holiday in Costa Mesa event. And we're back. Yes. What's your mantra? I can't remember the whole... I just remember... It ended with, I want to be a purser on SAS.

So you were like praying to the airline gods or something. Yes, I really was. Like being like, I want to be a steward. A stewardess. And you have to remember, okay, I mean, this sounds crazy, but you have to remember that in the 70s, flying was very chic. Oh, yeah. It wasn't like it's now, which is like a nightmare. It's poor people that work on the planes. It used to be...

You know, you had to be pretty. Well, plus just travel wasn't such a fuss then like it is now. It's not a luxurious experience. And everyone dressed up. I remember my mom and dad and me, we all dressed up when we were flying. It wasn't like now when you go to the airport and you see people in like sweatpants and Uggs and, you know, the dirty old pillows, which is disgusting.

Yeah. So it was a different time. Yeah. And I desperately wanted to... I mean, it was definitely something to aspire to, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, it was. Back then it was. And, you know, we had this kind of neighbor that...

Used to work for Pan Am back in the day. And I would, you know, sometimes. Which Pan Am was sort of like the rock star of airlines, right? Yeah. At least it was like the big American airline. Yeah, it was the big American. In Europe, it was like Air France and British Airways. I think it was called BOAC back then.

It was Colbridge Airways. That was like the big ones, which had the big planes. Yeah. You know, they all had jumbo jets and they all had like little bars upstairs. And it was, even in economy, it was spacious. Yes. And you got amazing food. And yeah, I remember that one time near France to Spain.

You know, the food was incredible. They came and it looked like they were carving stuff. It was really chic. The first time I ever flew, it was the summer before my sophomore year in high school. We went to Hawaii and there was still a smoking section. I remember the back being a cloud of smoke. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was, I mean. And this is probably 88, 89 maybe. That's crazy that they smoked that late. Yeah.

I remember. I mean, you smoke in like a metal tube. It's literally crazy. But I do remember that sometimes you were really unlucky and you got stuck on the last non-smoking seat in the plane. In a seat band, for sure. And it was horrific. Yeah. So a funny story, and this has to do with my sister that we're going to talk about now.

I guess she was like maybe five and this was in the 80s. We were flying somewhere on vacation and my dad just got a perm. And she was talking to the couple behind us on the plane and she turns around to my dad and screams at him. What's that called again? Stuffing into your hair? Like, did you buy your curls? How was it? Oh my God. And he was devastated. Oh.

Was he like, it's called a perm? No, she didn't say anything. Because he didn't want anyone to know that he had a perm. Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. He got a perm. What do you call it in Norwegian? A perm? Permanent. Oh, yeah. But we can also say, which means curls you bought. Oh. Which is, of course, what she said. Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh my gosh, you put your dad on blast. I know, I know. Oh my gosh. So your sister was outgoing, clearly. Yes. The crazy story is that, so after I was born, and you know, it was kind of a, anyone who listened to our episode one, know that it was a difficult birth. I came ass first. Yeah. And after that, my mom got told that she couldn't have any more kids. Yeah. That was it.

So, you know, I grew up knowing that I would be an only child. Yes. And I was fine with that because, you know... Yes, very content. Yes, I ruled the universe and, you know, whatever I wanted was the law. Yes. So, six years, my mom got pregnant after six years. It came as a shock to her and to everyone and especially to me. Do you remember them telling you? Yes, I remember them telling me and I remember...

The first thing I said was, I don't want a brother. Yeah. I did not want a brother. I was like more or less crying the thought of having a brother. And why do you think that is? Because I kind of knew already back then that I was like very different and liked hanging out with girls more. Yes. And I was just worried that if I got a brother, it would be all like, you know...

football and sports and stuff like that. And I was terrified. Terrified. Yeah. I remember when my mom went into labor and she went to the hospital. And you didn't know what it was going to be. No, no one else. Ahead of time. Yeah. And the last thing I said to my mom was, if you get a son, you don't have to bring him home. Oh my God. I love it. Oh my God. But no, no,

I got a sister. And were you relieved? I was very relieved. Yeah. Were you excited even? Yeah, I guess I was. I mean, I remember going to the hospital to see her and she had hair already. She had red hair. She was screaming the entire time I was there. And when I left with my dad, I was like, so she was kind of difficult, right? Oh my God. That's hilarious. Yeah. I said to my dad, she was difficult, right?

But yeah, you know, they, she came home and,

I mean, I was excited to have a little sister, but of course I noticed right away there was a change in the dynamic of... The same thing happened to me when my first niece was born. Because I'm the youngest, right, in my family, and I always dazzled everyone. And one time for Christmas, my niece had just been born, and of course I was doing my little song and dance, entertaining everybody, and she made a little sound, and everyone turned.

turned away from me, and I was like, my reign's over. Yeah. Yeah. You noticed that too. Yeah, totally, totally happened. Yeah. Yeah, it was especially one time when it was her first birthday, and my dad's parents, my grandparents, they had in their bedroom this, oh my God, so cheesy, this light blue French poodle doll.

Tall? Like a statue? No, a doll. No, no, like a stuffed French poodle. Random. I know. It kind of looked like one of those you would win at the circus. It was a stuffed animal. Yeah, a stuffed animal. But it was a French poodle. Life-size. Yeah, it was big with little like pom-poms on the legs. I was obsessed about that French poodle. And in my head, and I still believe this...

That they told me that they were going to give me that French poodle on my sister's first birthday. They were going to give her a gift and then I was supposed to get that French poodle.

And I was really excited, like for weeks and weeks. All I thought about was that freaking French poodle. Yeah. And I remember they drove. We had a little party in our house. And my grandparents came. They drove up in the car. And I was so excited. And they come out. And they have a little present for my sister. And I'm like, poodle, poodle, poodle. And no poodle. And I run out to the car and look in the back. And there was no poodle. Because you were somewhere else.

No, I was there. But of course, I don't know if I misheard or whatever. You thought you were going to be presentated with the poodle. But of course, I didn't get any poodle. And I think I made a little stink that day. I think I was like...

I think my mom had to talk to me, not trying to outshine my sister. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. But my sister grew up. She had bright red hair. Do you know who she looked like? She looked like one of the girls from...

Oh my God, what's that prairie show called? Little House on the Prairie. Yeah. What was the main character's name? Laura Ingalls. Yeah, she looked a little bit like Laura Ingalls. Oh, okay. But with red hair. Yeah. I thought she acted more like Nellie. Okay. But you know, whatever. No, she was very cute. And she started years later, she did ballroom dancing. And she actually became...

The European champion of, like, youth European champion, her and her partner of ballroom dancing. Yeah. So that was kind of amazing. For sure. Did you go to her competitions? I went to her competitions. And the great thing was that because she was doing this and my mom and dad was really into it, we would go very often to England for competitions and training and stuff like that. And, of course, I would come along. That's fun. Because I loved England.

Yeah, so, you know, we would go and often we would, either we would fly or sometimes if we had a lot of luggage, like back then the dresses they danced in was like huge. Yeah. Tons and tons of till and they had to be shipped in these enormous boxes. Oh my gosh. And it was sometimes just easier to drive. Oh yeah, because you couldn't just smash it all in a suitcase. No, no, you had to be very delicate with them. And we would take the boat.

from Norway to England. Really? Yeah. Because of the dress? Yeah. And I remember I got seasick before we went on boat about. Oh my God. Of course. Drama queen. Yes. I was seasick the entire way. Another cute thing is, I remember the first time in London, a woman called me dear.

Oh, yes, dear. I was paying something and she was like, here's your change, dear. And I went to my mom and said, oh my God, that woman called me dear. I thought that was so strange. Really? Yes. I never heard that before. Oh. But yeah, my sister and I had a good relationship growing up. I mean, it was seven years between us, which was maybe a few years too much. Yeah. Because, yeah. Yeah.

So, you know, when I was a teenager, she was still like a little kid. Yeah. It was fine. We actually bonded years later over... Of course, when she was maybe like 21 and you were 28, that's not as weird. Yeah. We went to Thailand together. We went to Bangkok. I was going for a two-week cooking school in Bangkok. I was very excited. And my sister was like, oh, I kind of want to come. So she came along and...

Before that, our relationship was maybe like not the best. But we bonded over shopping in Thailand. Oh, fun. Yeah. In Bangkok. Buying like fake Louis Vuitton. She bought a lot of fake stuff. Actually, so much. She had to buy two extra big suitcases. And I said to her, okay, when we go through customs in Oslo, I am just going to go to

straight through and if they stop you i'm like god let's continue walking you're like this was fun but you're on your own yeah no i know i know oh well i'm sure we'll hear more about your sister of course yes your life story goes on yeah yeah so let's take a break okay

Eat and Make is my cookbook that came out a couple years ago. And it is divided into morning, noon, and night. And it has some craft projects that are based around kitchen and entertaining. It's a great book with tons of good recipes. And it even has the amazing Norwegian world's best cake. I don't say that it's the world's best cake, but it's the Norwegian word for

The book is called Eat and Make, and you can find it wherever fine books are sold. And Lestat is on the cover. Oh, yes, Lestat is on the cover. Very young. Very young, cute Lestat. Oh, he's so cute. Oh, look at him. He's sitting there. James is having a piece of cheese, and the dogs are more or less in his mouth. And we're back.

Okay, are we going to do some questions? What's up, sweet Paul? Yes, what's up? Okay, let's see. Lene Cecil? Did I say that right? Lene? Lene Cecilia. Yes. I forgot to say, yeah, that's my sister's name. Oh. This is my sister. Hi, sister. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. From Norway, obviously. When are you going to talk about your beautiful and fabulous sister? That was the question. I knew it. Ha, ha, ha.

We just did. Well, we just introduced you, and I'm sure there's going to be much more. Yes. We're going to spill all the tea, hopefully. Mm-hmm. All the secrets. Yes. I actually got to meet her. She came to New York.

And she's lovely. And I hope I get to see her again and hang out very soon. Yes, they all need to come to Palm Springs. Come to Palm Springs. If you're listening. Bring dad. And you better be listening. Come to Palm Springs. Summer all year round. If you're listening, text Paul immediately so we have confirmation. Yes, thank you. Okay, next question. Gemma from Philly asks...

Well, she says, love the podcast. It's so charming. Thank you. One question, was your great aunt married? Any kids? Oh my God, that's a good question. Yeah, I forgot to talk. So yes, she was married. I remember the very tall, very thin, dark-haired man. They had a Volkswagen. You know those, what are they called? Volkswagen. Yeah, Volkswagen.

And I remember him always had to crunch over to get in and out of the car. He passed away when I was kind of young. Oh, okay. Yeah. Did she have children? She had no children. Interesting. And the thing was that when I was a kid, I remember overhearing something from my...

aren't telling my grandmother. And I went to my mom and asked, what's a miscarriage? I don't think they couldn't have children. Oh, you had overheard them. I overheard them talking about it. So no kids? No, so no kids. And he died. Yeah, he died when I was a small kid. I kind of remember. Like, everyone was very serious. It's so interesting that your grandfather and your great uncle both died when you were young. Yeah.

They died early. I think he had cancer. A cute story, though, is that my great aunt always attributed her finding her husband was because of her cinnamon buns. Okay. That's sweet. Yeah. She made really good cinnamon buns. The recipe is actually on our website.

SweetballMag.com. You're great on cinnamon. Famous husband catching cinnamon buns. Yes. So they come with a warning. Okay. Be very careful when you distribute the cinnamon buns because you never know. Yeah. She always said that, you know, she met him through her cinnamon buns. I love it. Thanks, Gemma. I'm glad we, now I know. Yes. Okay. Next question.

W.J. Greenleaf asks, how did you two meet? Oh. Oh, us? Us. Oh, yeah. Very old-fashioned. Yeah, I know. Facebook. We're old school. Very innocent. Very old-fashioned. Yes. We had become acquainted like a lot of people do on Facebook just through a mutual sort of scene and acquaintances and, you know. And we had chatted a little bit and then...

I was single. And then I remember Paul posted that he was single because he was in a six-year relationship that whole time. And I was like, oh my God, he's single. So I sort of let it breathe a little bit because I know he had to spread it out of his system, go around the block a few times.

Hey, not that many times. Half a block. Yeah, half a block. And then I was like, hey, we should go on a date. And it was like, how about this weekend? It was like, okay. And then, you know, that was it. Yeah. Yeah, I remember you came and then, yeah, you stayed the whole weekend. Yeah, I stayed the whole weekend. It was a 48-hour date. And I was managing a hotel in Phoenicia at the time. So, I was really just coming into Brooklyn for –

two days or like, you know, two and a half days. So it sort of paced our early relationship, which is, I think, very healthy. And then you started coming up and you sort of fell in love with the Catskills. And I remember it was winter. It was January. It was January. It was that winter where it was so much snow. So much snow. Do you remember? Yeah. It was so cold. There was piles of snow till April. Yeah. It took forever to melt. I can still remember how we like...

And the room we stayed in was a little cold. Yeah, I know. I remember. It was really cold. Yeah. But, you know, it was cute. Very cute. Yeah. That's how we met. That's how we met. Okay. Last question is from Lisa in LA. Is that my friend, Lisa? I don't know. I just said Lisa. Love hearing about...

Crazy Norwegian foods. Other than lutefisk, what's the craziest thing you Norwegians eat? Whale? That's pretty weird. Yeah, we do eat whale meat. Still, to this day. I don't know if they still do. I remember whale steaks when I was a kid. My dad was kind of into it. We had it maybe a couple of times. I tasted a little piece of it and I thought it was terrible.

I think the craziest thing is something called rakfisk, which I don't really know how to, there's no translation. But what it is, is it's trout that you clean out and then you put them in barrels. Is this the one that's in a can that's smelly? No, that's the Swedish one. Okay. It's kind of similar.

I mean, what we normally would do is that you would put salt on it to preserve it. But this is just fish in a barrel. It stays for a while until the rotting process starts. Yeah. And you take it out, you clean it, and then you eat it. Why would... And it's eaten a piece of...

Lefse or rye bread. Yeah. With sour cream. Yeah. Chopped red onion and dill. Like everything else. Yes. So the thing is, that was probably became a delicacy because back in the day. Necessities. They're like, okay, the fish is a little bit rotten, but we're still going to eat it. Yes. That's how they say lutefisk came about, that it was a big fire thing.

in a house and they went through the fire and they found all this dried fish. And, you know, ash and water becomes lye. So the fish had sort of soaked in all this stuff, but the people thought it, okay. And it became edible. It looked, okay, this looks fine. They just like rinsed it and cooked it and ate it. And I guess they liked it. Yeah. Yeah.

So, yeah, a lot of these things came out of, you know, necessities. Yes. Or just...

And accidents, they say that, you know, the croissant, the first croissant was an accident. It was supposed to be something else. Yeah. But it turned into a croissant. The flaky. Well, for sure. I mean, if you think about, like, who invented popcorn? Like, what was the moment where people was like, oh, my God. You know, it's like, I would love to read the history of food because it literally tells the history of the world. No, I know. Economics. Economics.

Yeah, he was the first to look at a coffee bean and be like, oh, we can brew this. Or a cocoa bean or, you know, a potato. Like, oh, can we eat this? Imagine figuring out what was poisonous and what was not poisonous. Exactly. I guess you just have to trial and error. Yeah. So fascinating. I know. Yeah.

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