How Paul Became Sweet
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Oh my god. What? So, when we record this podcast, Paul puts on a timer. He just picked up the phone, and the timer has literally been running since the last time we recorded. How much time has gone by? Well, I don't know. It's 166 million something. 166... I mean, that's a big number. No, it's 16 million minutes? Oh my god.

That is totally insane. Note to self, turn off timer. Has your phone been dying quicker than normal? Yeah, it has. Because for the last week, it's just been... Yeah, exactly. Oh my God. Okay, I'm going to hit reset. Okay, reset. And start.

And by that, welcome to another episode of Chasing the Sweet Things in Life. Our third, yes. Yes, our third episode. And this one is called How Paul Became Sweet. Spoonful of sugar. Well, not exactly, but yeah, almost. Oh, were you, was there a time when you weren't sweet? No, I was always, apparently I was a very good baby.

I didn't cry much. And I was very like particular. I had this thing when I, I don't know how old I was, but we used cloth napkins at home. Cloth. Cloth. Yeah, sorry. And apparently I took a bite of food and then I like,

Oh, yes. Oh, my God. I've told you this before. On each side of the mouth. You dab the corners of your mouth between bites. Oh, my God. That literally kills me. There's many stories Paul tells where when he tells them, I fall in love with him all over again because it's...

Literally the sweetest story. I think my parents were just like shaking their head. You're just the posh little shit. Well, do you know something? I think it was because of... I hung out with two little old ladies all day. And they, of course, told a lot of stories from the old days. Like big houses with servants and, you know, how everything was back then. And...

More formal. Yeah, and I loved watching old movies with costume dramas. Did you see it as an etiquette thing? Did you see it as a class thing? I don't know. Or you just thought it was fancy? I thought it was fancy. Do you know the book Little Lord Fauntleroy?

No. I was obsessed about that. It's this middle-class boy that all of a sudden finds himself being like the lord of the manor. Oh my god. Like his grandfather takes him in and all these amazing things happen. I guess I was thinking I was like the little lord. I used to have...

fantasies like that as a kid about being you know more posh or rich yeah i mean you know it was in our blood yes like want to want we want to be fancy yes exactly hilarious we're fancy in our own way yeah it's more about what you make of every moment yeah it's like really enjoying even the tiniest luxuries in life absolutely and make tiny things into luxuries

Yeah, I've always said my whole life that I value time more than money. So even having time to do what you want is ultimately. Oh, yeah, that's totally. I just have to say, because I'm listening to this podcast through headphones.

If you think there's an owl in the background, it's not. It's Lestat that's snoring. Yes. We say that every time, but I just feel like I need to say that. No, it's fine. They'll catch on. So what have you been up to? Oh, in real life? What have we done in real life? Currently? Yes. Well, I've been going up to San Francisco every weekend.

To do Fog City Flea. And you come about half the time. Yeah, and this last weekend we went to Napa. Oh yes, we did a Saturday event prior to our Sunday event in San Francisco. We went to Calistoga Motor Lodge in Napa Valley. And it was incredible. It was a gorgeous day. It got a little windy towards the end. Which triggered. But it was... People came out. Wine was flowing. Yeah.

People really loved that we were there. There was about a group of 20 of us, 20 makers and merchants. Yeah, it was beautiful. I've never been to Napa before. I thought it was amazing. Yeah, if you've never been there, do it. And when you drive through, it's so incredible because the hills have evergreens and then it's still some palm trees and then it's just the fields of...

Of the grapevines. And I love when the grapevine rows sort of go up the hills. Yeah. It's just so, like, Tuscany. It reminded me of Italy. It reminded me of Tuscany. For sure. It was really stunning. For sure. I want to go back sometime. We'll be back. Bye.

Okay. So this says mama. Mama. That means mother in Norwegian. Yes. So we're going to talk about your mother. Yeah. Is this your mother's episode? Yeah, it's going from my mother to my godmother. Who's your godmother? Her name is Tove. So this is a whole new character. Yeah, she's a new character. She's my godmother, and she's the one who named me Sweet Paul. But we will come back to that. Let's start with my mom. Yes.

Yes. Your beloved mother. My beloved mother, which I have to say, unfortunately, is no longer with us. She died five years ago. Very sad. But, you know, I have really good memories from her. So, yeah, she was beautiful. I had pictures of her when she was a child. Very sweet. She was very spoiled.

She was her only child. Oh, she was an only child. Yeah, and she sort of came, you know, she was born after the war. And that was when my grandmother was making, you know, a good amount of money. And she spent a lot of money on that girl. She did not wear the clothes that they made at home. Yeah. Yeah, she had like everything like tailor-made. What was her full maiden name? Her first name was Cicely.

That's her real name, Cicely. Yeah, Cicely. Cicely Margareta. She had like two names. Cicely Margareta Löwe Udberg. Lowe. L-O-W-E. Udberg. Yeah. So you took her name, her maiden name. I took her maiden name, yes. And Udberg is your middle name. Yes. Lowe Udberg is my middle name. Oh, I see. Oh, it's Paul Lowe Udberg Eimling. Okay. Yeah. It's just that, you know...

who runs around with four names yeah so i thought polo was much easier yeah trust because we've said the whole thing people like uh what and i'm so bad at spelling yeah in english i'm pretty good at yeah no i'm good at that now too but you know i just don't wanna well pronouncing the american vowels is sometimes a trick yeah because you i know

I know. Yeah, I said to an ex, oh, we have to take the dog to the wet. And he was like, what? Yeah, we have to take the dog to the wet. I was like, wet? And he was like, oh, you mean the vet. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I still have. Not only that, but the A-E-I-O-U thing can be confusing to you too. Oh my God. So confusing. Please stop. Please make it easier. So more about your mother. She was beautiful. She was very kind. She was very industrious as my grandmother was. This is a thing that sort of runs in the female part of my family.

My grandmother had it. My mom had it. My sister has it. They love selling. They love the emotions of selling something to someone. And my mom was... Because of... Yeah, you tell me. You mean, is it getting the money for it or just... I think it's a satisfaction of selling something. Yeah. So when I grew up, my mom, she went to the French school in Oslo. So she became a cosmopolitan. What's it called? Cosmopolitan? Yeah.

Cosmetologist. Cosmetologist. Cosmetologist. This is not my day. And she worked for a few years in different department stores. So she was doing makeup? She wasn't really doing makeup. She was more like a salesperson. But a beauty product. Yeah. And she worked in the big... Oslo had two big department stores.

One posh and one not so posh. And she worked in the posh one. Yeah. And she told all these stories of all these famous people coming in. You know, one day she was putting perfume in a counter and she felt someone was pricking her on the shoulder. And she turned around and it was the Grand Princess. Seriously? Yes. Who's now the Queen. Yeah. So she had all these amazing stories to tell. And people would buy...

An aftershave, I think it was called Aquavelva. Aquavelva. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, is that here too? Aquavelva. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And people, they used to drink it. What? Oh, to get intoxicated? Yeah, yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Because it was cheaper than booze. I guess. I guess. Liquor is very expensive in Scandinavia. Yes, very expensive. It's sold in like...

So a few years later, when I was born, she started a fashion shop, a clothing store. So when I grew up, that's what she did. She had a clothing store. And then she had another store, which was interiors, home goods. And then a couple years after that, her...

Her and my dad started a restaurant. So your grandmother taught your mother how to sew, probably. So your mother... No, my mom didn't. Oh, really? Yeah, she did not sew. She loved fashion. She loved beautiful things. As a kid, she would go to Paris twice a year to buy, and I would be able to come along a couple of times. Yeah, I did a couple of times, and I just remember how... What was the first time you went? My sister hadn't been born yet, so maybe like five or six.

And I can still remember she got me

Brown corduroy pants, a shirt, a little like blazer thing and a knitted tie and brown suede shoes. Oh my God. So I looked like a little like French boy. Yeah. And I was very proud because I thought my mom was extremely beautiful. You know, she had big blonde hair and she was wearing, oh, it was a brand that was so big back then. I can't remember the name, but I remember she had these like

beige camel coat that was just like kind of like swirling around her yeah so do you remember going to Paris with her yeah I remember going to Paris with her I went twice

The first time it was just her and me, and then it was her and me and my dad. Did you go to department stores or individual boutiques? Because I imagine back then... Well, she would go to these fairs, you know, to buy wholesale for her shop. Oh, okay. And I think I came along the first day, and I thought that was kind of boring. So the second day, I stayed at a hotel and read comic books. I wanted to go outside, but she was like, don't go outside by yourself. Yeah. Yeah.

It was very cute. And I remember we had crepes. You know, they sell crepes on the street with Nutella. That was like the first time I had tasted Nutella. Oh my God, I thought it was so amazing. Oh. You know, that warm like chocolate hazelnut. Yeah. God, it was so good. So good. It would be so interesting to go like an urban metropolis trip.

This is probably, what, like 1690s, 1770s? Yeah, this is... At that time, and to be able to have that snapshot in your head of Paris in the late 60s, that's so crazy. Yeah, it was very... I just remember it. I thought it was very glamorous. I thought it was very glamorous, and I thought it was so bizarre because there was dog poop everywhere. Yeah, I think there still is. It's so weird. I know, right?

And like it's below them to like pick up after their dog. Yeah. And you know, in the mornings people come and they put on the water and they wash all the streets. But still I was like, why is this? I remember asking my mom, why is there so much dog poop in the streets? Yeah, that's not cute. No. So when my mom went to the French school, she befriended this girl. Her name was Tove and I called her Tante Tove.

which means Auntie Tove. And she, when I was born, she became a godmother. Did she live in your neighborhood? She lived maybe like half an hour away. Yeah. But she was just an old friend of your mother's. Yes. She was an old friend of my mom's. And she was the funniest babysitter in the universe. Like, so funny. I'm going to tell more about her after the break. Great.

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So more about Auntie Tova. Yes. Tante Tova. She was the most amazing babysitter ever. I kind of wanted my parents to go out and have a good time so she could come and babysit me. And, I mean, she didn't really have to because, you know, I had...

my grandmother and great-aunt. Oh, so you would still be babysat even though your grandma was around? Yeah, kind of. And if ever, you know, my grandmother would leave and my auntie Tove would always come and babysit me. And she had like the craziest stories and we would make like fort and houses under the tables. We would make fort out of the sofa cushions. She was really funny.

And she called me Python, which means Python. But in Norwegian, it's kind of like if something is aki, like yaki, it's Python. Okay. Yeah, that was her favorite word. And I laughed so much every time she said that. And then the story goes that she very soon met an American. She met a doctor that worked for NATO.

NATO has a, I don't know if they still have, but they have a big base, NATO base outside of Oslo. Yeah. And she met this man, I don't know how, but they fell in love and they got married in Norway and she moved to Texas. Yeah.

Do you remember feeling sad that she was leaving? Yeah, I felt sad that she was leaving because I always thought she was so funny. I just loved hanging out with her. Because she was so different from anyone else I knew. She was so high-spirited and full of life. And she called you sweetball. Well, later. We'll come to that. So she went to America. She went to Texas. And you can imagine Norway in the 70s.

Back then, there was a big difference, like a big gap between Norway and America. Oh, yeah. So, you know, she would later tell us that, you know, she moved there. And of course, it was total culture shock. I remember she came back on vacation like a year later. And she would tell us about like, you know,

The detergent had made everything so white. She would tell us about the restaurants where the steaks were so big, you had to have two plates. If you ordered a piece of cake, you got like a quarter cake. And she would tell about they had rattlesnakes in the front yard. All these crazy, crazy stories. I remember as a little kid, I was like, oh my God, this is amazing. Yeah. Not the rattlesnakes, of course, because I'm deadly afraid of snakes.

She went back and then she lasted two years in America. Yeah. And then she came back. She had a young daughter, a baby, when she came back. And...

Somehow, in those two years, she managed to transform herself. When she left, she was a normal woman in the 70s. Yeah. And then when she came back, she kind of turned into Peg Bundy from Married with Children. Big boobs and big hair. Big boobs, big hair, tight clothes, high heels. I remember my grandmother called her, oh my God, she turned into one of those women.

Trashy Americans. Sorry, guys. Sorry. Oh my gosh, that's amazing. Did it fascinate you? Yeah, it totally fascinated me. When she first walked in the room, I couldn't really recognize her.

And I remember she wore like a lot of eye makeup. Yeah. Like she was definitely Texas. Yeah. And she kind of was like that for a very, very long time. But even if she had, you know, she had a daughter, she would come over sometimes and she would, you know, we would hang out and she would use a lot of English words when she spoke. Yeah. I mean, she only been there for two years. So it's not like, you know. Yeah. Yeah. But she would start call me sweet Paul.

When she came back. Yeah, when she came back. And she would say the word sweet. She would use the word sweet before my name. Oh, how are you, sweet Paul? Oh, bye, sweet Paul. Oh, you're so sweet. Oh, my little sweet Paul. And years ago, like 10 years ago, when I wanted to start a blog, I was thinking about what am I going to call it? And then it struck me. Oh,

Sweet Paul. That's kind of cute. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah. So that's how the name Sweet Paul came about. In honor of your... In honor of my... Auntie Tova. Auntie Tova, yes. Auntie Tova. Yeah, Auntie Tova. Thank you, Auntie Tova. Thank you.

So more about your mother. What was the dynamic of the relationship between your mother and your grandmother? Were they similar? Did they fight a lot? Were they competitive? Were they just... They were similar and they were competitive in one thing. Meatballs. Oh, cooking. Meatballs. Who did it better? So my mother wasn't very... I can't call her a good cook.

Interesting. She had like a few things that she did good. She made a really good, in Norway we call it kringla, which is kind of like a big cinnamon bun, but it's long and it's braided. She did that really good. So growing up, I loved meatballs. And in Norway, we call them kjöttkakor. Are they similar to Swedish meatballs? No, they're bigger.

Oh, okay. Yeah. So they fry in a cast iron pan, crispy, yeah. But then they are put in a gravy. They sort of like simmer in the gravy. So they take, you know, they give flavor to the gravy and take it from the gravy. It's really, really good. And we serve it with boiled potatoes, very often peas or rutabaga.

Oh. And... Do you eat lingonberry and all? Yeah, and lingonberry. Yeah. Delicious. And it was always a kind of like this competition of who made the best ones. Did they have different recipes? They did. Yeah. My mom would add eggs.

And my grandmother would not. To the meatball. To the meatball recipe. I think also my grandmother used breadcrumbs. My mom did not. Interesting. So they were different. My grandmothers were a little more fluffy. With the breadcrumbs? Yeah. Because of the moisture. Yeah, they would sort of break a little easier. I would eat your mother's.

And my mom's was a little, like, tougher. Not in a bad way, but they were just, like, a little... Yes, denser. See, I prefer no breadcrumbs and denser, for sure. I preferred my grandmother's. I did. The meatballs you made last night, what did you put egg in them? No, that was just ground pork and ground beef, salt and pepper, and onion powder. Delicious. You don't even need a binder. Like...

No, but they did. And yeah, as I said, I actually enjoyed my grandmother's most. You did. But I never told my mom. Oh, good. So would they alternate cooking them or cook them at the same time? My grandmother would most, I mean, she made most of the dinners in our house. Yeah. But once in a while, my mom would cook. Yeah. And it was an ongoing thing. And she was like, oh, I'm going to make my meatballs today. Yeah. And I could see in the back, my grandmother would like,

Raise her eyebrow and be like, okay. Well, remember, everyone have a big lunch. Oh. Yeah. But, and I remember I would, especially with my grandmothers, because they were a little more like a little looser. So I would mash them with my fork into the potatoes with the gravy. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

So good. Delicious. I have to try to make that one day, like real Norwegian meatballs. It's so delicious. I mean, the gravy. How often would they make them? Was it sort of like a Sunday supper thing or just more like a during the week thing? No, that was more like a during the week thing. Yeah. On the weekends, we would mostly have, it was a lot of steak. And then on Sundays, my grandmother would often make like a roast.

So how were you like your mother? Well, we had one big thing that we were very alike on, and that was we both struggled with weight issues. And I started gaining weight when I started school. The reason for that is that one of the big ways my grandmother showed her love was through food. Of course. So when I came home from school, she made me, and I'm talking about every day. What's that?

I think Lestat farted. Lestat, we're having a podcast. I'm sorry. He's a French bulldog. That's what they do. Yes. Nothing we can do about it. Yeah, every day when I came home from school, she made me spaghetti or macaroni with melted butter and cheese, grated cheese.

So I would have that as a late lunch. I mean, I already ate lunch at school, but I would have that every day when I came home. And then I would have dinner later. Yeah. So, you know, no wonder I got, you know, chubby. Yeah. No wonder. And my mom... Do you remember your mom being chubby or... Yeah, maybe around after my sister died.

My sister was born when I started school. Yeah. She struggled with her weight from then. Yeah. To the point where she would sign us up to like Weight Watchers. Well, at that time, the late 60s, early 70s, it was probably when the dieting craze started. Yeah, this was like mid-70s. Yeah. Yeah, we would do kind of like Weight Watchers stuff together. And yeah, we just struggled all our life. Oh my God, I remember. So back then there was no diet products.

But then one store in Oslo, kind of like a little bit outside of Oslo, they made a mayonnaise out of petroleum. What? I know. It was disgusting. I remember we went there and we bought it and my mom made like tuna salad and chicken salad out of it. And it was just to get that like... Creamy. Yes, yes. That texture. But yeah, wasn't that crazy? I think it was petroleum. Yeah.

So what sort of weight management things would you do? Well, of course, it was a big thing about like portion control and that stuff. But I remember one time my mom was like, okay, we need to get healthy. We need to get a juicer. Yeah. Okay, that's fine. So we got into the car and we went and we got ourselves a juicer. Came back, set it up. We went to the store, got like a ton of vegetables and fruits and all this stuff.

And I mean, it was so beautiful. I can still remember it. We filled like big bowls and stuff of like all these vegetables and all these fruits. And we were going to be so healthy, so healthy.

Of course, none of us, I mean, this has been, especially with me, a big thing all through my life. You know, instructions are for suckers. I mean, who reads the instructions? Oh, yeah, I don't ever. Yeah, no. We should have. Yes. Yes. Because we didn't assemble the machine exactly right. So what happened was that we started the machine, started adding stuff, and for a little bit, it was totally fine.

But then all of a sudden, again, it was kind of like what you see in the movies. The whole machine exploded and started like shaking and started spewing out all these like juices all over the kitchen. And I can still remember my mom and I standing in the doorway looking in and sort of arguing of who was going to go in and pull the plug. Oh my gosh. Yes.

And what happened was that my dad came home and he went in and he pulled the plug and there was literally green juice all over the kitchen. Oh my gosh. Comedy show. Yeah. So we would have, we would totally, the kitchen had to be totally cleaned. Totally cleaned. And did you ever do it again? No, never. No, what happened was we washed the machine. We returned it. My mom was like, okay, well we tried.

It didn't work. I guess we have to do something else. Oh my God. That's hilarious. That was so funny. I love that story. Okay. Should we take another break? Sure. Yes. We'll be right back after this message. James, do you subscribe to Sweetpond Magazine? No, I don't have to because there's boxes of them over there. But everyone else should. I know. And do you know they're only $10 an issue?

With shipping. When you subscribe. Yeah. They're normally 16 per issue. I know, I know. Such a good deal. How great is that? So all you have to do is to go to sweetpolemag.com slash subscribe. That's sweetpolemag.com slash subscribe to sign up. And then they just come quarterly. They come quarterly and you also get billed quarterly.

So every time a new issue comes out, you get billed $10. And you won't even notice. No. So cheap. So we now come to the segment called What's Up, Sweetball? What's up? Which is questions from you dear listeners. I'm going to do the first one because it's actually for you, James. Question for me? Question for you. Uh-oh. Be ready. Okay.

Okay, Thomas from Palm Springs. James, you put on all these amazing makers market and surround yourself with makers, but you never talk about what you make. Are you a maker? Absolutely not.

The thought of making anything gives me anxiety. Why? Well, here's the thing. From a very early age, I always surrounded myself with people that were more talented and smarter than I was. And so throughout my entire life, whether it was musicians or hairdressers and now makers, I love organizing creatives, building platforms for them to flourish, and

I love connecting people and spending my weekends with them and just really supporting talent and identifying and discovering talent. So that's what I love. But the thought of...

Actually making something. Yeah. And the thing is, it's like I could probably be good at it or, you know, but it was like couldn't be bothered with learning how to play guitar. So I started a record label. I was terrified of going to like school to learn something or a trade or learning, you know, going to hairdressing school because the thought of having to go through that process was scary to me. So I just started a hair salon and hired hairdressers. Yeah.

And so the tediousness of making something isn't something I would enjoy. So I experience it by association. Well, that's good. Yeah. Everyone has a role in this world. Yes, exactly. If people want to follow you on Instagram, where do they find you? Well, each of our markets have an Instagram. So it's Phoenicia Flea, Mojave Flea, Fox City Flea.

And now this land festival. But my personal account is james.anthony.morelos, M-O-R-E-L-O-S on Instagram. Very cool. Next question. Yes. Enough about me. Yeah.

Don't be so shy. Claire. Hi, Claire. Claire is asking, what are your mormors and great aunts' first names? So my mormor, her name was Cecilia. Such a great name. Yeah. And my great aunt, her name was Gunvor. How do you spell that?

G-O-V-O-V-O-R. Oh my gosh. Sounds like Icelandic or something. Yeah, kind of. Yeah, and then it goes on. Her question is, have you ever published a photo of them?

They remind me of my grandmother, who would be like 112 if still alive. She was raised in an orphanage herself in Bohemia, and really only ever said about it was that the nuns were mean.

But the geese were meaner. Oh, my gosh. She made the best tapioca pudding and could grow, sew, knit, repair anything. Sounds like your grandmother. The thing is that, you know, okay, I'm sure this orphanage was terrible. But they actually learned the skill. Yes. You know, they learned how to do stuff. Yeah. I mean, look at Chanel. She grew up in an orphanage and she...

Learned how to rule the world, more or less. Yeah. It's kind of incredible. Yeah. It's really interesting. Yeah. We need to hear more and more of those stories. Yes, I will. We'll come back to that. And I actually asked my sister. She's now on the hunt for images. Oh, good. I will try to post more pictures on Sweetpole Magazine, on Instagram, and on Facebook.

Because more people have been asking about it than I have. I haven't seen these pictures in many, many, many years. Maybe we should start a 24th Instagram account for just this podcast. I don't know if I can handle it anymore. Okay, third question from Pat. Yes. Do you have any advice on how to get a seven-year-old to try other foods? Oh, yes, I have.

It's to let them help in the kitchen when you prepare dinner or lunch or whatever. Let them be a part of it.

When I grew up, I had my own little chopping board. I had my own little knife. It was kind of dull, but still. I had my own little bowl, my own mixing spoon. My grandmother would explain to me and tell me why we did certain things. I think if you let the kids help, they will sort of like get an understanding. Maybe be a little less afraid of trying new things. Yeah.

Yeah, because you know what it is and you actually made it and you're proud of it. And you can be like, oh, you know, taste what I made. I made this. Yeah, take away maybe some of the like... Mystery. Yes, exactly. Yeah, I think that'd be a really good way. Perfect. Okay, final question. Yes. Tom from Norway. Hi, Tom. Love your ceramics. Have you always done ceramics and why did you start? Any advice to me as a ceramics novice?

Oh, well, thank you. I've done ceramics the last four years. And I started because I had an idea of some plates I wanted to use for a story, but I couldn't find them anywhere. I was thinking, oh, maybe I can make them myself. Mm-hmm.

So I started taking some classes in Brooklyn, a place called Clayworks in Columbia. Absolutely loved it. And it's kind of like you get like a bug. You just have to do it. And yeah, I did it when we moved to Kingston. I do it here in Palm Springs. I work in a communal studio here called Silica's, which is great. I would love to get my own kiln and have my own little studio. But maybe one day. Maybe one day that will come.

Any advice? It's not to be afraid of the clay. Because, you know, the clay is kind of like a living material because it moves and it kind of has a memory. You are the boss of the clay, not the other way around. So you just have to take charge and you have to accept failure. Yeah. And also probably not be precious about it. You just have to sort of like...

Go for it and you'll have a better understanding of the clay the more you go for it. Yeah. And you learn through disasters. I mean, things will break and things will not come out the way you wanted it. But everything is a learning. I can still remember the first time something broke.

You're devastated. I was devastated. I went to my teacher and I was like, look, it broke. And she was like, well, how much time did you spend on that? And I said, well, I don't, like 10 minutes. And she was like, okay, fine. Make another one. Yeah, move along. That's so funny. You just have to not be afraid of the material. If you want to have a look at my ceramics, I'm on Instagram, pauloceramics, or my web shop is pauloceramics.com. Fabulous.

Is that it? I think so. Time flies. I know. So if you have any questions you want us to answer, if you have comments, maybe you want to be a sponsor, you can email us at podcast at sweetpolemag.com.

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