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播音员: Manus AI 智能体的横空出世引发了广泛关注,其强大的多功能性和自主性令人印象深刻。它能够执行各种任务,例如网站建设、财务分析和商业辅助,这与之前的 DeepSeek 时刻类似,都展现了 AI 技术的快速发展和巨大潜力。然而,Manus 的意义不仅仅在于技术上的突破,更在于它为人们展现了真正 AI 代理体验的可能性,这标志着 AI 技术发展进入了一个新的阶段。 一些人认为 Manus 的出现是继 DeepSeek 之后,中国 AI 技术的又一个里程碑式的事件,它代表着中国 AI 技术已经开始在某些领域超越美国。另一些人则认为,Manus 的成功并非源于底层模型的创新,而是源于其出色的用户体验和任务整合能力。 总的来说,Manus 的出现引发了人们对 AI 未来发展的思考,也促使人们重新审视 AI 技术的应用和发展方向。 McKay Wrigley: Manus 的表现令人震惊,它能够完成许多复杂的任务,例如撰写研究报告和生成代码。这让我对 AGI 的到来充满了期待,也让我对 AI 技术的未来发展充满了信心。 我最初认为 Manus 只是一个概念验证,但实际使用后,我发现它的能力远远超出了我的预期。它不仅能够快速完成任务,而且能够根据用户的需求进行调整和优化。这让我相信,AGI 的到来可能比我们想象的要快得多。 Didi Das: Manus AI 是一款非常棒的 AI 产品,它能够完成专业级别的任务,例如对股票进行专业分析。这表明 AI 技术已经能够在许多领域发挥重要的作用,并且能够为人们提供高效的帮助。 我使用 Manus 对特斯拉股票进行了分析,它在短短一个小时内就完成了相当于两周专业工作量的工作。这让我对 AI 技术的未来发展充满了信心,我相信 AI 技术将会改变我们的生活。 Bilal Sidhu: 我测试了 Manus AI,它是我体验过的最接近真正自主 AI 智能体的产品。我迫不及待地想看到它能够使用 Premiere 和 Photoshop 等桌面应用程序。它让我感觉像是婴儿 AGI。 Manus 的自主性非常高,它能够根据用户的需求自动完成任务,而不需要人工干预。这让我对 AI 技术的未来发展充满了期待,我相信 AI 技术将会改变我们的生活。 Dean Ball: 将 Manus 称为 DeepSeek 时刻是不准确的。DeepSeek 是对美国公司已经公开实现的能力的复制,而 Manus 实际上是在推进前沿。最先进的计算机使用 AI 现在来自一家中国初创公司。 Manus 的出现并非简单的技术复制,而是代表着 AI 技术的真正突破。它展现了中国 AI 技术的实力,也为全球 AI 技术的发展注入了新的活力。 Rowan Chong: 我认为中国的第二个 DeepSeek 时刻已经到来。这款名为 Manus 的 AI 智能体正在中国迅速走红,很快就会席卷美国。它就像 Deep Research 加上操作员加上云计算的结合,而且非常好用。 我使用 Manus 创建了自己的个人简介并部署了一个基于该简介的网站。信息100%准确,包含了最新的信息。我还尝试了许多其他测试,结果都令人满意。 Professor Ethan Malek: 当前前沿的大型语言模型已经非常优秀,其能力甚至还没有被制造它们的实验室完全探索。我们应该更多地关注如何充分利用现有模型的能力,而不是等待神秘的新型大型语言模型的出现。 Manus 的成功恰恰证明了这一点。它将大型语言模型嵌入到用户界面中,从而能够充分发挥其能力,并推动其不断进步。 Aidan McLaughlin: 我认为这是一个非常重要的观点。我们今后将与之交互的大量内容将是一个体验或数据包装器,它位于底层模型之上。许多感觉最具创新性和解锁性的东西,并非因为模型性能的提高,而是因为用户体验的具体整合方式。 Manus 的成功并非源于底层模型的突破,而是源于其出色的用户体验设计。这表明,未来 AI 技术的创新将更多地体现在用户体验和数据包装上,而不是底层模型的性能提升。 .005seconds: 整个 Manus AI 事件展示了许多人已经内化的东西。模型已经达到 AGI 等级。最后一步是如何很好地构建感知、上下文记忆和 for 循环。如果您认真对待在 AI 领域构建任何东西,您需要立即将此内化。模型会变得更好、更智能、更密集、更快、更便宜、多模式、更大的上下文、更准确。明年每个令牌的成本将下降 90%。没有任何使用 LLM 制造的、成本或能力不可行的体验会持续 12 个月。你不应该使用当今的能力来构建,而应该使用明年的能力。 疯狂的是你甚至不需要。当前模型被严重低估了。我们目前正在经历 AI 开发中的人类创造力不足。我们构建包装的速度不够快。用户体验、上下文管理、内存集成、工具使用。这些是你的护城河。 AI for Success: 在过去三天尝试 Manus 后的诚实意见。以下是优点和缺点。优点:它在互联网上进行的研究和生成的报告令人难以置信。它在幕后运行脚本来执行任务的能力令人印象深刻。它创建的计划结构良好,这就是最终结果如此好的原因。但缺点是?它很慢,但我猜他们可以扩展。它可以使用更长的上下文窗口,这将大有帮助。由于上下文问题,它在处理编码任务时会中断。有时第二次迭代效果不佳,它只是停留在网络搜索或某些任务上,难以控制。最后,编码能力不错,但仍然落后于 Sonnet 3.7。 总的来说,Manus 的出现为人们展现了真正 AI 代理体验的可能性,这标志着 AI 技术发展进入了一个新的阶段。 Yichao-Pik Ji: Manus 不仅仅是另一个聊天机器人或工作流程。它是一个完全自主的智能体,弥合了构思和执行之间的差距。我们认为它是人机协作的下一个范例。 Manus 的设计理念是将 AI 技术与人类的创造力和智慧相结合,从而实现更高效的人机协作。这代表着 AI 技术发展的一个新方向,也为未来人机协作提供了新的可能性。 Hari: 我知道很多工程团队已经开始转向其他工具。66 倍的 ARR 倍数对于增长率来说是合理的,但这并不是 ARR。更像是试点收入。我希望 Cursor 的创始人、员工和早期投资者能够获得一些二级市场收益。归根结底,Cursor 现在非常热门,投资者更关心的是进入而不是过度支付。 Cursor 的估值过高,其收入更多的是试点收入而非实际收入。这反映了当前 AI 行业的投资热潮,也提醒投资者需要谨慎评估投资风险。 Rivieres Jane: 我认为这与取代工程师的工作无关。我认为与其让工程师做苦力,不如让他们成为监督大量自主代理的架构师。如果您对这种思维方式感兴趣,请查看我大约一周前发布的关于代理工作的奇异博士理论。 AI 编码代理将帮助工程师从繁琐工作中解放出来,成为监督自主代理的架构师。这将提高工程师的工作效率,并使他们能够专注于更具创造性的工作。 Misha Laskin: ……这是我们十多年来一直在思考的问题。我们的团队率先进行了强化学习和大型语言模型的研究,我们认为现在是时候将这两项进步结合起来,并构建一个实用的超级智能体,它将在计算机上工作。 Reflection AI 致力于将强化学习和大型语言模型结合,构建实用的超级智能体。这将为 AI 技术的发展带来新的突破,并为人们的生活带来更多便利。 Kari Sarenin: 增长表明了将设计良好且有目的的 AI 集成到现有产品范例中的力量。AI 原生的空白页面加聊天框方法可以工作,但它通常远离专业人士和企业实际需要的实际工作流程。关键是,与许多文本到代码工具不同,此工具是专门为开发人员构建的,用于将 AI 集成到其现有流程中。 Cursor 的成功在于将 AI 集成到现有产品范例中,而不是采用 AI 原生界面。这表明,AI 技术的应用需要与实际业务场景相结合,才能发挥其最大的作用。 John Gruber: 这将比我们想象的需要更长的时间才能交付这些功能,我们预计将在未来一年内推出这些功能。 Apple 的 Siri AI 功能推出时间将被推迟到明年。这表明,AI 技术的开发和应用并非一蹴而就,需要克服许多技术和商业上的挑战。 Bloomberg: 据报道,苹果 Siri AI 部门存在混乱,新功能可能需要从头重建。在最新延迟之前,软件主管克雷格·费德里吉和其他高管在内部表示强烈担忧,即这些功能在内部测试中无法正常工作或按广告宣传的那样工作。苹果 AI 部门内部的一些人认为,对这些功能的工作可能完全被取消,苹果可能不得不从头开始重建这些功能。 Apple Siri AI 部门存在混乱,新功能可能需要从头重建。这表明,AI 技术的开发和应用并非一蹴而就,需要克服许多技术和商业上的挑战。

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Cursor, an AI startup, is reportedly closing a funding round at a $10 billion valuation, representing a significant increase from previous rounds. While some are excited about its rapid growth and integration of AI into existing workflows, others express skepticism about the high valuation, suggesting it may be based more on hype than on sustainable revenue.
  • Cursor's valuation increased 4x from its Series B round, reaching $10 billion.
  • Its annual recurring revenue (ARR) grew from $20 million to $150 million in less than two years.
  • Skepticism exists regarding the high valuation multiple (66x revenue) and the nature of its revenue (pilot revenue vs. sustainable ARR).

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Welcome back to the AI Daily Brief Headlines Edition, all the daily AI news you need in around five minutes.

We kick off today with some fundraising news. Cursor developer AnySphere is set to close a new funding round that would value the company at $10 billion. Bloomberg is reporting that Thrive Capital is expected to lead the round, adding to their position in the company. Now, it's been clear for a while that Cursor appears to be one of the big winners or at least leaders in the AI startup boom, but the numbers really spell out how unprecedented their success is.

Assuming this deal closes, Cursor will have achieved a 4x multiple from their Series B, which closed at a $2.5 billion valuation last December. That round was itself a massive 6.5x jump from their Series A, which closed at $400 million in August.

And the revenue growth really tells the story. Cursor was reportedly at $20 million in annualized revenue in August, quintupling to $100 million by December, and is now humming along at $150 million in ARR. The multiple is now 66 times revenue, up from 25 times during the Series B.

That said, for people who have the appetite, there are just very few opportunities to buy into this type of growth, even if you look historically across the history of venture capital. AnySphere achieved $100 million in ARR just 18 months from the launch of their flagship product. That puts them in extraordinarily rarefied air.

Mostly, cursor lovers are excited about the deal. Linear CEO Kari Sarenin writes, growth shows the power of integrating well-designed and purposeful AI into existing product paradigms. The AI-native empty page plus chat box approach can work, but it's often far from the practical workflows professionals and businesses actually need. Point being that as opposed to a lot of the text-to-code tools, this one is actually purpose-built for developers to integrate AI into their existing processes.

At the same time, some people are skeptical of the multiple. Autograph CEO Hari writes, I know lots of eng teams already switching away. An ARR multiple of 66x would be reasonable for the growth rate, but this isn't ARR. It's more like pilot revenue. I hope the Cursor founders, employees, and early investors are taking some secondary. Ultimately, the short of it is, Cursor is very hot right now, and investors are more concerned with getting in than overpaying.

Staying on this white-hot theme of coding generation, a pair of top researchers from Google DeepMind have unveiled a new startup working on next-generation coding agents. The company, Reflection AI, emerged from stealth at the end of last week to announce $25 million in seed funding and a $105 million Series A. Sequoia Capital and CRV led the seed round, while Lightspeed Ventures and CRV anchored the Series A.

Reid Hoffman, Scale.ai CEO Alexander Wang, SV Angel, and NVIDIA all participated, valuing the company at $555 million. The two founders previously did things like leading reinforcement training for Gemini and also helping create AlphaGo, which was, of course, the paradigm-breaking AI that was the first to beat human experts at the board game Go. The goal for the company is to create autonomous coding agents, which the founders hope will be a step on the path towards superintelligence.

Misha Laskin, the company's CEO, said, "...this is the problem we've been thinking about for over a decade. Our team pioneered reinforcement learning and large language models, and we decided that now is the time to kind of bring both of those advancements together and build out a practical superintelligence that will do work on a computer." Reflection already has paying customers in fields that maintain large coding teams such as financial services and the tech sector. At this stage, the product is focused on replacing the most tedious work involved in programming, things like migrating software databases and refactoring code.

Lightspeed partner Rivieres Jane said, I don't think it's about replacing engineers' jobs. I think it's more about instead of engineers doing grunt work, they'll become like architects who will oversee lots and lots of autonomous agents. If you are interested in that way of thinking, please go check out the Dr. Strange theory of agent work, which is an episode I put out about a week ago now.

Moving over into the world of big tech, Apple has acknowledged that AI Siri isn't coming anytime soon. John Gruber at Daring Fireball reported the news, posting a statement from a company spokesperson which read, Siri helps our users find what they need and get things done quickly. And in just the past six months, we've made Siri more conversational, introduced new features like type to Siri and product knowledge, and added an integration with ChatGPT. We've also been working on a more personalized Siri, giving it more awareness of your personal context, as well as the ability to take action for you within and across your apps.

It's going to take us longer than we thought to deliver on these features, and we anticipate rolling them out in the coming year. John Gruber, the blog's author, commented that it was a Friday sort of wah-wah sad trombone news drop. He added that, reading between the lines, his sense is that AI Siri is being pushed to next year's iOS 19 rather than coming this year. Bloomberg, with the assistance of insider sources, is reporting the news even more strongly. They claim there are, quote, new heights of turmoil in the AI division.

And honestly, with how staggeringly behind they are, there should be turmoil over there. Bloomberg had previously reported that there was a sprint to squash bugs in hopes of pushing a new version of Siri this year, but they now report that those efforts have been unsuccessful, adding, In the lead-up to the latest delay, software chief Craig Federighi and other executives voiced strong concerns internally that the features didn't work properly or as advertised in their internal testing. Some within Apple's AI division believe that work on the features could be scrapped altogether, and that Apple may have to rebuild the functions from scratch.

The capabilities would then be delayed until a next-generation Siri that Apple hopes to begin rolling out in 2026. Bloomberg also received a leaked memo to AppleCare support staff issued on Friday, which said, "...if customers ask about the timing of these Siri features, reiterate that we anticipate rolling them out in the coming year." Keep in mind that AI Siri was pretty much the central sales pitch for the latest iPhone, meaning that this is not going to be a particularly satisfying explanation to a lot of those customers asking questions.

In a final admission that things are not going according to plan, Apple has apparently pulled their advertisements for the iPhone 16 from YouTube. The series featured the user asking Siri to name the person they had dinner with a couple of months ago, recalling and summarizing a pitch meeting, and creating generative video memories. Apple intelligence has exactly zero of these features more than nine months after they were first advertised. Just brutal, man. I am not rooting against this company. All of the products that I use basically are Apple, but boy, they have got to get it together.

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If you want to have a sense of just how impactful DeepSeek was on the collective psyche of the AI industry, the conversations that have been happening around Manus over the last couple of days offer some pretty interesting insight.

DeepSeq, of course, fundamentally changed how people thought about not only the relationship between Chinese and American AI, but their sense of the speed at which American AI companies were evolving. In other words, thinking it was somehow too slow. And it also really reinforced just how important giving even regular users access to the most advanced reasoning models was going to be when it came to popular perception. Part of why DeepSeq temporarily ran ahead of ChatGPT and the App Store was that they were offering access to an advanced reasoning model at that free level.

Now, of course, the other reason that DeepSeq was such a moment that extended outside of the builders in AI was the notion that they had trained this model for just $5.5 million.

That news came right at the time that Wall Street was trying to figure out if AI infrastructure is being completely overbuilt, with a major correction eventually coming down the pipeline. Obviously, those questions remain unresolved. And in the meantime, people are paying a lot more close attention to what's coming out of China, not just to see how far behind it is, but instead, just on the merits of whether it might have something totally different and more advanced. And that's the context for this moment that happened with Manus.

Over the weekend, a new agent called Manus went completely viral. The Discord for the project swelled to 138,000, and some reported that invite codes were selling for thousands of dollars on Chinese social media platforms. The demo showed a computer use agent that was capable of things like building a website from scratch, planning a trip, analyzing financial markets and generating reports, designing interactive courses for teachers, and

as well as comparing insurance policies and assisting with business sourcing. In the viral demo video, founder Yichao-Pik Ji said, Manus isn't just another chatbot or workflow. It's a completely autonomous agent that bridges the gap between conception and execution. We see it as the next paradigm of human-machine collaboration. The Manus team also claims top ranking on the Gaia benchmark, beating every rival agent in AI autonomy, problem-solving tool usage, and web interaction. And once people got their hands on it, the rave reviews started to pour in.

Indeed, I think the word breathless would be appropriate for how people initially were talking about this. The Rundown's Rowan Chong writes, I think China's second deep-seek moment is here. This AI agent called Manus is going crazy viral in China right now, probably only a matter of time until it hits the US. It's like deep research plus operator plus cloud computer combined, and it's really good.

Now, as this will come up in a minute, Rowan also makes clear that this is not any sort of paid endorsement. He continues, we noticed Manis gaining some traction at the rundown and wrote about it in the newsletter this morning. Shortly after publishing, one of the co-founders reached out with an invitation code. So I dropped my work for the morning and tested it out. Rowan's test included creating a biography on himself and deploying a website based on that. He said that the info was 100% accurate with info up to date as of today. And then he tried a number of other tests as well.

Dean Ball writes, "'It is wrong to call Manus a deep-seek moment. Deep-seek was about replication of capabilities already publicly achieved by American firms. Manus is actually advancing the frontier. The most sophisticated computer using AI now comes from a Chinese startup, full stop.'" Bilal Sidhu writes, "'I tested Manus AI. It's the closest thing I've experienced to a truly autonomous AI agent. I can't wait till this thing can use desktop apps like Premiere and Photoshop. It low-key feels like baby AGI.'"

Menlo Ventures' Didi Das writes, Manus, the new AI product that everyone's talking about, is worth the hype. This is the AI agent we were promised. Deep research, plus operator, plus computer use, plus lovable, plus memory. Lovable, by the way, is a text-to-code generator that's become very popular, in case you were wondering. Didi continues, asked it to do a professional analysis of Tesla stock, and it did around two weeks of professional-level work in around one hour.

One of the more interesting tweet threads came from McKay Wrigley, who you can watch get more and more excited throughout the thread. He started, "'Watch a 14-minute demo of me using Manus for the first time. It's shockingly good. Now imagine this in two to three years when it has over 180 IQ, never stops working, is 10 times faster, and is run in swarms by the thousands. AGI is coming. Expect rapid progress.'"

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He then continues later. Okay, after further use, I'm doubling down. If OpenAI released an equivalent called DeepTask and charged $1,000 a month for unlimited usage, I'd pay for it in two seconds, creating an entire research report and spec based on my preferred tech stack from latest versions. WTF. Next, he writes, all right, I'm starting to freak out a little bit. I may have undersold this. LMAO, it's writing a literal step-by-step guide from up-to-date docs with all the code for everything.

Finally, he writes, without exaggeration, I'm genuinely being super earnest about this. I think this experience has shifted my worldview a bit. That was basically 80% of what I imagine experiencing AGI will be like. Literally thought this was going to be vaporware and now I'm amidst an existential crisis. Now McKay also pointed out that under the hood is Claude 3.7 sonnet. In other words, Maneth didn't invent some new model that we didn't have access to yet. That'll become important in a few minutes when we get a little bit deeper into our analysis.

Brian Romley sums up, we just moved from chat AI era to agent AI era. The China deep seek R1 AI moments done the world, now we have the Manus moment. But if this is the Manus moment, what does that actually mean?

In my opinion, the Manus moment, to the extent that we're calling it that, is not really about China catching up with the US or China exceeding the US. Instead, it's about people seeing some of the first expression of what a real agentic experience is going to be like. Agents are, of course, every other word out of everyone's mouth at this point in AI, but we are still very, very much in the infancy of their capabilities.

The agentic type experiences that we have access to, particularly OpenAI's deep research, have definitely started to give some people a sense of just how differentiated they're going to be. And in a lot of ways, I don't think it's inaccurate to view Manus as deep research, but kind of for everything instead of just for research. And one of the really important things here is that the innovation is not, as I mentioned, about the underlying model. It's about how the pieces have come together.

Professor Ethan Malek writes, "...the current frontier LLMs are very good, and their abilities have not been fully explored even by the labs making them. Too much waiting for mysterious new LLMs, too little pushing what we have." And I think that's a really accurate description of what's going on with Manus here. Manus has embedded these LLMs in a UI that allows them to really push, both be pushed by their operators and to push themselves to achieve more.

Aidan McLaughlin writes, And I think this is a hugely important point. A huge amount of what we interact with from here on out is going to be an experience or data wrapper that sits on top of an underlying model.

A lot of the things that feel most innovative and unlocking are not going to be that because of model performance increases, but because of the specifics of how the user experience is brought together. .005seconds writes, The whole Manus AI thing is showcasing what a lot of people have already internalized.

The models are already AGI grade. And the last steps are how nicely we scaffold perception, context memory, and the for loop. If you are at all serious about building literally anything in the AI space, you need to be internalizing this immediately. The models will get better, smarter, denser, faster, cheaper, multimodaler, bigger context, more accurate. The cost per token will drop by 90% next year. There is no possible experience with LLMs made non-viable with cost or capability that will remain so in 12 months. You shouldn't be building with today's capabilities, but with next year's.

Crazy part is you don't even need to. The current models are egregiously underexploited. We're currently experiencing a human creativity deficit in AI development. We're not building wrappers fast enough. User experience, context management, memory integrations, tool use. These are your moats.

And I think that's the point. When you start to dig in and you get past the first wave of analysis, you can also find balance takes like this one from AI for Success who writes, Honest opinion after trying Manus for the last three days. Here's the good and the bad. Good, the research it does on the internet and the reports it generates are incredible. Its ability to run scripts behind the scenes to execute tasks is impressive. The plans it creates to achieve tasks are well-structured, which is why the end results are so good. But on the bad side? It's slow, but I guess they can scale. It could use a longer context window, which would help a lot.

It broke in between due to context issues while working on coding tasks. Sometimes the second iteration doesn't work as well, and it just gets stuck on web searches or certain tasks, making it difficult to control. Finally, the coding capabilities are good, but still behind Sonnet 3.7. Ultimately, none of that matters though, right? The point is that people are having a mental unlock moment with what an agent assistant that's not as constrained as something like deep research is going to feel like having in their arsenal.

Now, when it comes to the viral explosion, Manus is clearly smart enough to understand that DeepSeek has created an environment where people are waiting for the other shoe to drop. In other words, where people are waiting for the quote-unquote next DeepSeek. And there's probably a lot to unpack there around what that says around global geopolitics and competitiveness discussions. But I think when push comes to shove, the Manus moment really isn't about China. It's not about DeepSeek 2.0. Instead...

It's about a true multi-purpose agent 1.0. This isn't a deep-seek moment, it's a chat GPT moment, where people are experiencing what's possible in a way that they hadn't been able to imagine until they saw it. The crazy thing for all of you out there is that this is just the very beginning. I predict that in just a matter of months, what we're calling an agent now with Manus will seem quaint, barely autonomous, unsophisticated in its planning, and a far cry from what we're using instead.

But we always remember those first moments. And for many people, that's exactly what Manus has just given them. If you have used Manus, let us know your take. Spotify and YouTube comments are both open. For now, though, that's going to do it for today's AI Daily Brief. Until next time, peace.