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主持人: 本期节目讨论了人工智能代理领域的最新进展,包括能源供应、英特尔公司战略调整以及Salesforce公司Agent Force产品的市场表现。我们分析了人工智能代理技术当前面临的挑战,例如高昂的成本、市场准备度不足以及技术瓶颈等问题,并探讨了未来发展趋势。 我首先介绍了Crusoe Energy Systems公司与Engine No. 1公司达成的4.5千兆瓦能源协议,这将为人工智能发展提供强大的能源支持。随后,我们讨论了英特尔公司新任CEO的战略调整,包括重组公司、调整人工智能战略以及精简中层管理等措施。 接下来,我们重点关注了Salesforce公司Agent Force产品的市场表现。虽然Salesforce公司CEO对Agent Force产品的前景表示乐观,但财务总监则给出了更为谨慎的评估,预计今年的销售额将较为温和。 我们分析了Agent Force产品面临的挑战,包括客户准备度不足、幻觉问题、数据连接和兼容性问题以及高昂的成本等。一些客户尚未准备好使用该软件,也没有将其视为替代人工的数字劳动力。 此外,Agent Force产品的定价策略也存在问题,按对话次数收费的方式可能导致用户减少使用,从而降低收入。与人工成本相比,Agent Force产品的价格并不低,且竞争对手的价格更低。 最后,我们探讨了人工智能价格战对代理公司成本的影响,以及市场准备度对产品成功的影响。人工智能价格战可能会降低智能成本,从而使代理公司能够以更经济高效的方式提供服务。然而,代理公司使用最先进模型的激励可能会抵消人工智能价格战带来的成本节约。 总而言之,人工智能代理领域充满了机遇与挑战。高昂的成本、市场准备度不足以及技术瓶颈等问题需要解决。未来,人工智能代理技术的成熟和成本的降低将推动其在更多领域的应用。 Chris James: 我们与Crusoe的战略合作,将充分利用双方优势,为支持美国人工智能主导的工业化的数据中心提供电力,确保美国人工智能发展的速度。我们专注于为支持美国人工智能主导的工业化的地点提供电力,这将加快人工智能的发展进程。 我们相信,通过与Crusoe的合作,我们可以为客户提供快速、可靠的能源供应,满足他们日益增长的能源需求。我们致力于推动美国人工智能产业的快速发展,并为客户提供最佳的解决方案。 我们与Crusoe的合作,将为美国人工智能产业的发展提供强有力的支持,并推动其在全球范围内的领先地位。我们相信,这项合作将为美国经济增长和科技创新做出重要贡献。 我们致力于与合作伙伴紧密合作,共同应对挑战,确保项目的顺利实施。我们相信,通过我们的共同努力,我们可以实现我们的目标,为美国人工智能产业的发展做出贡献。 Dylan Patel: 我认为盖尔辛格在处理英特尔公司内部问题时过于优柔寡断,没有采取果断措施来重组员工队伍,这导致公司效率低下,错失了市场机遇。 他应该更积极地裁减冗余的中层管理人员,提高公司运营效率,并更有效地利用资源。 此外,他应该更积极地拥抱人工智能技术,并将其应用于公司的产品和服务中,以保持公司的竞争力。 总而言之,我认为盖尔辛格在领导英特尔公司方面缺乏必要的果断性和远见卓识,这导致公司业绩下滑,错失了市场机遇。 Akash Sastry: 通过训练大型语言模型,我们深刻认识到人工智能技术将深刻改变全球教育、娱乐、沟通和生产力等领域。 我们相信,人工智能技术将为人们的生活带来巨大的便利和效率提升,并推动社会进步。 我们将继续努力,开发更先进的人工智能技术,为全球用户提供更好的服务。 我们致力于与合作伙伴紧密合作,共同推动人工智能技术的发展,并为社会做出贡献。 一位销售经理: 许多客户尚未准备好使用Salesforce的Agent Force软件,他们对人工智能技术缺乏足够的了解和信心,并且担心其可靠性和安全性。 他们更倾向于使用传统的人工客服方式,或者尚未找到合适的应用场景。 Salesforce需要加强客户教育和培训,帮助客户更好地了解和使用Agent Force软件,并解决他们的疑虑。 此外,Salesforce需要改进Agent Force软件的用户体验,使其更加易于使用和管理。 Adam Mansfield: Salesforce的付费交易中包含捆绑销售,客户可能并没有实际使用Agent Force产品。这表明Salesforce在销售Agent Force产品时存在一些问题,例如定价策略不合理、客户需求不明确等。 Salesforce需要改进其销售策略,更好地了解客户需求,并提供更具针对性的产品和服务。 此外,Salesforce需要加强其产品质量控制,确保客户能够获得高质量的产品和服务。

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Crusoe Energy Systems and Engine No. 1 have secured a massive 4.5-gigawatt energy deal to power AI data centers. This deal involves a joint venture with gas turbine owners and plans for a significant gas plant in Texas. The scale of this energy deal is unprecedented and will greatly impact AI development.
  • 4.5-gigawatt energy deal secured by Crusoe Energy Systems and Engine No. 1
  • Joint venture to power AI data centers
  • Plans for a 360.5-megawatt gas plant in Texas
  • Sufficient energy to build 12 data centers the size of Project Stargate

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Today on the AI Daily Brief, the big trouble with agents right now, and before that in the headlines, a record energy deal to power AI. The AI Daily Brief is a daily podcast and video about the most important news and discussions in AI. To join the conversation, follow the Discord link in our show notes.

We kick off today with the latest in the absolute barn burner struggle to get more electricity to power the future of AI, where data center construction startup Crusoe Energy Systems have landed a massive 4.5 gigawatt energy deal. So the way that this deal works is that Crusoe has entered into a joint venture with investment firm Engine No. 1 to strike an agreement with the owner of a set of gas turbines that could generate 4.5 gigawatts of energy by 2027.

For some reference, 4.5 gigawatts of energy is enough to power 3.7 time-traveling DeLoreans or a large city like Chicago. Earlier this year, Engine No. 1 announced a partnership with Chevron to develop and scale gas power plants for data center co-location, which will be fed through into this new joint venture. Chris James, the CIO of Engine No. 1, said, This strategic partnership leverages Crusoe's strength in developing purpose-built data centers with Engine No. 1's focus on providing power to sites that support the AI-led industrialization of the U.S.,

Speed to market is the most crucial aspect of powering AI development in the United States, and the combined expertise of our two firms ensures that we'll be able to deliver that for our customers. Public filings reveal plans for a 360.5 megawatt gas plant in Texas attached to the first Project Stargate data center. That means that if the OpenAI-led joint venture does continue to work with Crusoe to get access to this energy, which presumably is the strategy here, although that's not been confirmed,

This would mean enough power to build another 12 facilities of the same size as that first Project Stargate data center in Abilene, Texas. Amir Afraadi summed it up nicely, that's a crazy bananas amount of energy. Next up, Intel's newly installed CEO Lip Bhutan has discussed his recovery plan for the iconic chipmaker, and it doesn't seem to involve breaking up the company.

For quick background in case you missed previous coverage, Tan is a four-decade veteran semiconductor investor that previously served on Intel's board. He walked away from that position last year reportedly over disagreements on how to right the ship. And according to Reuters reporting, Tan is considering major changes to Intel's manufacturing method and AI strategies.

The new trajectory includes restructuring the company's approach to AI and staff cuts to address what Tan views as a slow-moving and bloated middle management layer. Revamping the company's manufacturing operations, which at one time only made chips for Intel but have been repurposed to make semiconductors for outside clients such as NVIDIA, is one of Tan's core priorities. This directly addresses one of the critiques of previous CEO Pat Gelsinger, who many felt didn't take the necessary steps to restructure their workforce.

Semiconductor industry expert Dylan Patel told Reuters that Gelsinger was "too nice" and that he "didn't want to fire a bunch of middle management in the way they needed to." In the near term, Tan aims to improve performance of the company's manufacturing arm by aggressively seeking new customers. He also plans to develop chips for AI servers and perhaps even explore software robotics and AI foundation models. The medium-term goal is to release a new AI chip each year, but sources say the first iteration will likely take until 2027.

Tan's plan is very similar to one that Gelsinger started in 2021. He also aimed to pivot to AI and expand the customer base. Ultimately, though, plans aren't just about ideas, but about execution, and execution was lacking. Intel ended up posting an annual loss of $19 billion last year, their first since 1986. Overall, it still feels like a pretty last-ditch pull-out-all-the-stops effort to save the company. Last week, the Wall Street Journal wrote, "...they say Liputan is the best hope to fix Intel, if Intel can be fixed at all."

Many are skeptical. Take him, the author of the NVIDIA Way, writes, "...before Intel shareholders get excited about the prospect for an annual AI chip cadence, they may want to see one market-viable AI chip offering first." Finally today, Elon Musk's XAI has acquired text-to-video startup Hotshot. The small team has shipped three video foundation models over the past two years, playing in the same space as OpenAI's Sora and Google's Vio2.

Announcing the news, Hotshot CEO Akash Sastry wrote, training these models has given us a look into how global education, entertainment, communication, and productivity are about to change in the coming years. We're excited to continue scaling these efforts on the largest cluster in the world, Colossus, as a part of XAI.

Back in January, during a video game stream, Elon mentioned his company was, quote, working on Grok video and that it would be released in a few months. And basically all anyone can think is that we are about to get some seriously unhinged AI video coming soon. For now, though, that is going to do it for today's AI Daily Brief Headlines Edition. Next up, the main episode. Today's episode is brought to you by Vanta. Trust isn't just earned, it's demanded.

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We are now about six months into the agent era. At least if you start it from the point at which commercially available agents started becoming available and big companies started going all in on agents as the next big thing. Now, I do think that we'll look back and think that the agents of this era were very much in their infancy.

There is, of course, a blurriness around what the term even means. A lot of things that we might have called automations a year or a year and a half ago are now called agents, which, as I've stated before, I'm fine with. I think it all conveys the fact that assistant AI is using AI to do things while agents are AI doing things for you. At least that's how most people are thinking about it. In any case, being now six months in and having at least one public company that's one of the main purveyors and pushers of agents gives us a chance to start reflecting on where the space is and what the challenges are.

The company, of course, I'm talking about is Salesforce. And recently, the information wrote a long piece about why Salesforce is having a bit of a tough time converting their agent force offering into value. Certainly, if you just listen to CEO Mark Benioff, you would not think there were any problems. He's declared 2025 the absolute year of agent force and said, we've never seen products grow at these levels. Then he said,

Then again, on that same earnings call where Benioff said that, it was left to CFO Amy Weaver to give a more realistic and sober outlook, saying that she expects, quote, modest agent-forced sales this year. Weaver also added that the company's overall sales growth would be between 7% and 8%, which is their slowest ever. So what is the challenge? In short, it seems to be that while Salesforce has gone all in on agents, companies are still working to get themselves there.

A sales manager who spoke with the information basically just said that many customers aren't ready to commit to using the software. And they're certainly not thinking about it as Salesforce is pitching it, as digital labor that essentially replaces humans for certain tasks.

Some of this is a question of a general state of readiness, and companies just wrapping their hands around the assistant era of AI and now being forced to move into agents before they really feel like they have their feet under them. In other cases, however, there's more specific challenges. Hallucinations remain an issue, and in fact, even a bigger issue when there's not a human sitting there manning the tool, and there's also data connectivity and compatibility issues. The information writes, some customers aren't in a good position to use agent force because they need to connect the product to databases stored outside Salesforce to work properly.

Basically, because this is in Salesforce's ecosystem and relies on Salesforce's data silo, that makes its applicability more challenging in certain cases.

Of the 5,000 AgentForce deals that have been closed since AgentForce was debuted in late October, 3,000 of those are paying customers, with the other 2,000 trialing the product for free. Adam Mansfield, a practice leader at Upper Edge, which is a SaaS procurement consultancy that negotiates Salesforce deals, said that the paid deals included bundles where customers may or may not be using the product. Now, the information piece sort of paints a picture of a company that's getting a little bit desperate.

Mansfield again said that, quote, Salesforce representatives have raised the prospect of meaningful price increases for other Salesforce products unless customers agree to use AgentForce. Salesforce managers have also indicated to customers that they can avoid fees for using more storage or software licenses than they signed up for if they purchased AgentForce. And when it comes to the challenges here, it's clear that one of the core issues for agents right now is cost. And unfortunately, this challenge with price is operating on multiple dimensions.

First is, what's the right way to price these tools, conceptually at least? And second is, once you figure out the right concept, is the price too much? Using the Salesforce example, in mid-2023, the company announced AI Cloud, a service that could generate emails, marketing materials, and customer support messages. It was basically a Salesforce-branded GPT wrapper, which we were dismissive of for a while, but obviously now there's an entire industry built around what we might have dismissively called GPT wrappers just a little bit ago.

That AI cloud product was priced at $360,000 per year plus additional fees for usage. And when it was finally delivered in the second quarter of 2024, it seems like it didn't really get any appreciable traction and has been basically forgotten. Now, how much that's because the company was already focused on shifting two agents isn't exactly clear. But when it came time for agents, the cost structure of agent force is based on usage rather than a fixed price. Salesforce charges $2 per conversation that the agent handles.

Now, on top of that, customers are also required to migrate to Salesforce's cloud service or develop their own code to integrate with AgentForce, meaning there's some other hidden costs as well. But even just all on its own, this idea of the cost being based on number of interactions and the specific amount per interaction, neither is clearly the right answer.

First of all, on the one hand, switching to an opportunity-based pricing does at least create a new rationale for how the product is priced that makes more sense perhaps on the face of it than the per seat model that SaaS has run on for the past couple of decades. But there are challenges there. It basically creates an incentive for people to want to use the tool less, given that each usage or deployment of the tool costs them money. The second issue is the $2 itself, which on the face of it just seems like quite a bit.

If you imagine 10 customer service interactions in an average hour, Salesforce's price isn't looking all that much lower than the equivalent human labor, especially with business process outsourcing systems that have that labor distributed all over the world. Also, frankly, other companies that are competing like Intercom are charging less right out of the gate.

Now, interestingly, Salesforce is not the only company struggling with price. Manus is the viral Chinese agent that everyone's been talking about for the past couple of weeks. And interestingly, some information reporting suggests that maybe that $2 price is a little bit less arbitrary than it seems. According to the information sources, which are two people with direct knowledge of the situation, for use of their models, Manus pays Anthropic about $2 per task on average that goes through the agent. Now, Manus' tasks are fairly complex.

but that's still quite a bit. And right now the company isn't charging anything. Now at this point, Manus is trying to keep its costs down by just limiting the number of people who can use the tool, but obviously that's not a perfect situation either as the company wants to build usage. So the question is, what's going to make this situation work better? Well, for one thing, as I discussed yesterday, it seems very likely to me that the AI price wars are going to have a big impact on this.

One of the short-term impacts of those price wars should be the cost of intelligence coming down. And with the cost of intelligence coming down, these agent companies can potentially serve up organized intelligence in a way that's more cost-effective. One challenge to that, though, is, of course, that agent companies are going to have a very strong incentive to always use the most state-of-the-art model, meaning that perhaps the price gains and savings from the price war will be a little bit less, as that's likely to impact near state-of-the-art but not total state-of-the-art models more quickly.

I think the other question, though, is whether this really is a problem of price. What are the chances that this is just about companies not quite being ready for this slate of products? I think that you could go through and do a pretty compelling and clear list of what Salesforce is doing right and what Salesforce is doing wrong. On the wrong side, as we've discussed, it seems like the specific pricing is a bit too high. I also think that when you look at their actual offerings, Salesforce might be trying to sell too many agents and have a little bit of a confusing offering when it comes to agent force, which

rather than, for example, just really hammering SDRs. And by extension, I think they might be slightly overpromising what they can deliver right now. We also discussed the challenge of only being able to access Salesforce cloud data, which I think could be seen as a wrong thing, but also to the extent that the job of agent force is to bring more customers into the larger Salesforce ecosystem, maybe it's just the cost of doing business.

On the what are they doing right side, though, clearly, A, the company is willing to disrupt themselves. Employees are noting that the urgency with which agent force is being engaged is unlike anything they've seen in the 26-year history of the company. They are going absolutely all in on this, at least from a narrative and rhetorical perspective. And I wonder if when we look back at this period, Salesforce frankly knew that they were coming into this market early and were just willing to do so.

It may be that they are trying to claim territory now, that they will deal with their lumps from Wall Street for having half of those 5,000 agent-forced subscriptions not actually being paid for or not actually being used, and that this land grab, this early experience, the repetitions they're building with customers and understanding where customers are, the deeper understanding they're going to get about which use cases these agents are actually good for, could end up proving itself to be a really worthy effort, even if they are ahead of where the market is by 6 to 18 months.

This show is called The Big Problem with Agents Today. And ultimately, the question is, is the big problem the price or the fact that we're just still a little early? Food for thought as we leave you. That is going to do it for today's AI Daily Brief. Until next time, peace.