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Yeah, you can get up to a two hundred doll gift card when you buy an elegant product. I think the two hundred dollars ft card to actually get that, that only applies to the macbook air. Everything else varies from like twenty five, twenty five dollars for accessories up to seventy five dollars for an iphone, but only the iphone fifteen, fourteen or S E, up to one hundred for an ipad, fifty for an apple watch, up to seventy five dollars for airports, but that seventy five dollars is the high end for airport's max. And like like every year, if you just go to amazon or best buy, you can just get cash deals that are Better than this and spin extra cost.

Dios, the apple of I I saw amazon has airports .

pro two for black friday down to one hundred and fifty five dollars. That's like one hundred dollars off the Normal Price of air pods. Pro two and air pod s pro are just excEllent.

So good. It's hard to you're not going to find anything Better than that. And I think your beloved at airports for are also on sale.

They are they I mean airports proto benefit from the fact that the hardwork hasn't changed twenty twenty two. They just keep adding more, more software additions to IT. And ah we are expecting apples and five at some point.

But um my ad um blood not blood. H hot. Right how right? Yeah I like that. Uh, but IT doesn't just because the head vanity is old, I wouldn't recommend not buying them like I think they in great shape. But if I like airports four, just because I don't like me in a fit of a icon tips, right? But otherwise, you should get the apple pose and i'd run out again because they just get making Better, Better and they're really, really good.

Are you planning any black friday purchases this year?

I look around, but I really seen I mean, the thing with black friday noon day is that installs on like monday, they all day retail and stuff put their deals up in advance. So right, even if they can't buy and you can least see what they going to offer, haven't really seen much that floats about this time around in terms of actually a good deal or anything.

I mean, the apple do the same as always on already how you know that my opinion buying apples max or something. Uh, vision pro is not included in this back fight promotion, which is slightly interesting, but a lot of the higher and the micro prose and max included either. So it's kind of flows into that, I guess nor is the iphone sixteen, nor yeah exactly which is which they do every year, right? The newest phone is including the I saw enough moral or anyway, you get you look, you get your eyes and anything.

The only thing i've seen kind of fly by, and I haven't actually looked that closely, is, I think, target or may be best by head deals on the matter rapids. And i've been looking at those for a while, and I kind of wanna get him. Everybody who has them seems to love them even if you just use them at maybe a speaker and a camera like you don't mess with any you like the meta assistant stuff, they're tempting. I don't know if i'm actually going .

to pull the trigger though. Headphones in different shape yeah people used for and just .

the idea of having like that camera from I like the point of view that the meta bans have for taking pictures and videos. So we'll see if I pull the trigger on those. But and tried and considering him.

i'm getting glasses and thankful ving.

Oh, I think completely understand.

Just just need new glasses some kind of pick up tomorrow.

They don't have a camera that they don't have a camera d in anything like that.

Just good that they have optical lens correction. Ah yeah no no cameras. So that apple's black friday deals.

and i'll just as always, plug ninety five toys dot com, where they will have everything you need to know about all the apple black friday deals from other retailers. Other news this week, bloomberg margin reports that apple is developing a new L M powered version of theory for IOS nineteen and macos sixteen.

He says the revamp theory will rely on new apple AI models to interact more like a human and handle tasks in a way that's closer to ChatGPT and google gym. I inside apple, this is literally just being referred to A L L M theory. And my read on this is that I don't know if it's the big dramatic overhaul L A theory that people want. IT seems more just like taking the world knowledge aspect of ChatGPT and bringing IT in house. I'm curious if that was your read on IT too.

Yeah that plus maybe they're going to make IT more chat body in terms of its response, right? So like the way you can talk to like a ChatGPT interface and have like a free flowing conversation and you where's current theory is fine and in some ways more useful because it's just like an action model, right?

Like you ask to do something and IT doesn't, does that you can't reach IT like free for any questions about the world is always just looking for like you response. Where is the on open ended text box of light chat? P com is obvious.

Ly, what a lot more people have come to expect these days because that's how most of the how most I can use get text to, can type you want and IT column of group to apply to sometimes you so sometimes no. Um and siri right now doesn't really do that in any way, shape, form despite having a very similar U I. Because you have the type of everything I would be up design and theory that gives you a box which kind look like you could ask whatever you want.

And I guess some people do try because they recondition from using ChatGPT or of chat box. And then siri can't do anything right now because that type siri box doesn't give you any more capability in terms what you can also skit just makes IT. So you can tell up and that a speaker action. And so when they say so, that kind of I imagine because if you take weather, for instance, like a economically voices in example, siri answer a lot of questions about the weather conditions, but you have to wake.

All of the responses are clearly, can you know this like a is like a data bank of like a thousand Lances for you know him the temperature to reason the numbers are of sea variables but everything else is like thick, like someone's written them and the input to the weather is I think slightly more um slightly more flexible with apple intelligence service where IT runs like a an L A model to interpret your question. But only a is still going to the same response thing and the response is prety determined and fake, not like generate on the fly so if you ask IT like, you know, you can ask questions about the raining or, you know, do any number rever. That's because someone's hard code to the ideas umbrella and rain into this interpretation and in the responses always just tell you what you know is, I want say, you don't need a number unless someone expect that I am done every single combination question you can ask whereas if you ask ChatGPT about the weather is continue to where the service you'll get like a more the spoke unique every single time.

So that's kind of what I imagine um the heading towards and cry ferrigiani had interview with joana stn not to too longer when they were to my apple intelligence staff and SHE demode like the open a voice mode right which is you know a voice assistant in uniform but you can kind of speak whatever you want is a lot more free form and open ended and SHE basically out like why do not see where 老大 and he said， well, you know, series based on day we doing actions and commands and then this is more conversation you can ask you a trivial questions about the own stuff and then I think even that is like, inevitably these ideas will converge, right? And so I is not apples like philosophically opposed to IT is just that you can't do IT yeah they haven't done and they are working on IT and is a love of its catch up. But there you go and then they are going to catch up within the U. S. Nineteen cycle.

Because the thing about current theory and its current form is it's really just self contained, right? It's not venturing out of its own set of knowledge. Each request for the most part of self contained IT doesn't have great awareness of one request to another, although that has gone a little bit Better. I was eighteen point one. I guess I haven't .

really noticed that is marginal, right? Yeah you can ask you like um you know ask about the weather in one in one city and then say how about in 嗯 yeah I said and you know the weather if you get a wikipedian try say what's the weather doing there IT would then like find the city from the the location place right and then do the weather look up so you know IT doesn't in a little bit and bob but it's not you just know when you to ChatGPT you cannot ask get almost anything in any form fashion and and you know any same tax and I can understand what you may even if is not going to give you the most useful response IT can IT you always feel like IT knows what you're talking about， right? Can say something in reply where is IT doesn't very long view to get to a dead and answer from serious like. I don't know, you may know here's results on the web and with I O T point one that still applies, but you get ChatGPT is the full back instead of bug results, right?

There's a line in mark report too that says apple moved the team responsible for the way syria interacts with users from the company's AI division to its group responsible for software free software interfaces. LED by Allen die.

I've been fascinated with the inner workings of apples, A I teams and A I projects over the past few years because we had the reports about the disagreements between crag federally and john jan Andrea about the future of syrian. And this would seem to suggest to that that those issues may be aren't completely resolved. And we haven't heard much from john and Andrea publicly about apple AI efforts, except he did the talk show after ww dc and he did that sit down thing with I just in and crick .

federally IT .

still seems like internally, they're some sort of disconnect and everyone's not on the same page about what the future of theory is. Even if there is a consensus that something has to change .

in serious falling behind, that is a bit unclear, at least exchange whose the bis?

Yes, it's like. And the burden and the bad press just keeps getting shifted back and forth between various teams inside apple, which doesn't give you a whole lot of confidence that this is going to materialize in the way that you should and that we expected to and mark report also says that the the L M C will be announced as part of I O S eighteen and matos sixteen a wwdc, but won't actually ship until the next spring.

So that's spring twenty, twenty six or about sixteen and to eighteen months for right now. And it's hard not to look at that time and and see how far behind apple is and question what LED to this and whether IT was just apple getting caught off guard by generating A I or if it's a question of internal politics getting in the way, a lack of clear focus on where to go and where do, how to advance theory. IT reminds me somewhat of the apple car situation where it's kind of just a lot of stops and starts and panicking a little bit with I S.

T. And rolling out this new theories design without in the actual changes to city, which as we ve talked about on the show a bunch times, was a pretty big strategic misstep. I think doing .

the U I changed out the underlying small of anything. Yeah, yeah I don't know. I don't know about that. I think is obviously series existed in what twenty eleven and until IT could IT could always been Better than what IT has bit right in any current instant of time.

But IT the other land revolution obviously have a clear trigger point for them to be to make IT way Better and have much Better language understanding um and more powerful in terms being to just understand and react different things and hopefully some of that will bear fruit when I O point four comes out, including the interact action stuff and across the mania you know personal context and on screen awareness and assuming out they ve demode for that does work and actually you know is git and is just slight smoke mirrors. I think people said a minute that's pretty innovative in terms of like you look at the market, IT doesn't doesn't really exist on other platforms in in a coherent way. You like people have tried and kind of feel like the rabbit device is kinder, that idea, but he didn't work very well and doesn't have the developers support of the APP store behind IT, right? Like the size the iphone already drive IT forward.

And so I think there's potential there. And I would say apples on reason beyond cutting edge of that. Um in term of general chatbot stuff, I I think you can kind of see right that they were behind or they were caught off guard like most of the tech industry was with the L M stuff, you know only really open I A microsoft to pound the OpenAI with the ones are really leading the edge.

And then google google was trying behind ve got up a big quicker research um but you take every other company in the world, most of the magic you know paying for open I OpenAII A P I c ase a nd t hen g etting a way w ith t hat y ou k now a nd y ou b ased t hat's w hat I w as d oing r ight n ow a nd a ny p oint t o y ou k now y es, series is Better because now you have chat ChatGPT is a backstop. You asked a question, doesn't know IT just gets a charge parity answer. But clearly the long run IT be Better if series understood the knowledge on its own right.

Right now, apple loves to distinguish like where we use ChatGPT for world knowledge and we have dissent by a person. Context is clearly in the, in the fullness of time, the best solution is where one the same system knows about your personal context and IT knows about your world knowledge. And IT can combine together and give you answers.

So if you ask for, like, you know, make me a birthday invite about this, include pictures from here and do this, I can actually synthesized IT together. So IT knows about your persons information, and I can go, you know, have the in psychometric of knowledge, at least knowledge expressed buyer in a billion parameter large language model, clearly, apple is not, apple is not going to give your personal data to a third party like chat p. So the only your solution is that apple builds themselves, right? yes.

Yeah, I think they can get there, but I don't if they only started in twenty, twenty, late twenty twenty two, they won't be ready for twenty twenty four to do in the meanwhile fashion. And so if they can ship IT in two and twenty six and now that behind and this a bit light but is Better than not doing anything uh like the comparison to the apple car you do get but they are actually shipping features you know like yeah that trips come out and IT is shipping. And right now, it's minor and small, but I do think is bad than what was there before.

So they're getting there. And again, a lot of IT rides on the eighteen point to eighteen point for a personal contact stuff. If that delivers even partly of what IT promises, I think that, that would be pretty good.

And I guess if it's a question of priorities, like if in december twenty, twenty two and apple realized they needed to move forward with general vi and craig federally had its come to jesus moment using microsoft copilot, all of that if IT was a question of prioritising either a an apple chatbot or b doing something that only apple has the ability to do on the iphone, which is the in APP actions.

the personal context. I do the apple like fiction um yeah that's what obviously I pologize ed right for the first, the first first go round.

And that probably makes sense just because there are other chat pots on the market. They can just work with existing part of existing companies for chat bots. But again, nobody else can do the fiction summaries apintment stuff, personal context.

So strategically, IT probably makes sense. And we know that apple is a big company, and theoretically, they could do both at the same time. But generally, we've learned that apple tints to apple teams aren't as big as people think, given the size of the company in the amount of money the company has, right?

Yeah and they focus on they do what they can for year one. And then, you know, i'm sure like i'm sure L M theory was not like, oh, we thought about right now. I guess we should get on I was clothing development for a long time and from you know the the initiation even like twenty to ever.

But you just not going to a ship that kind of stuff necessarily on schedule because they can't even ship the other theory stuff that seems more near term, right? Yeah, that's coming. Hopefully be in bed early next year and then ship in the spring.

So what would you expect? A fast, the timing. I guess the only thing you could maybe expected as that would ship in september twenty five rather than spring twenty six, right? I even start of the R I O S nineteen cycle rather than the end of IT. But at the end of day, as a matter a few months, you know, that is not in this game of things is not terrible.

And as long as they deliver and he is good, this fine if you go much beyond like twenty six whatever, and you are still considered like outdated and outmoded, then you are problem. You also still have the issue of, is this going to be running on device only? Is IT going to require on device power chips, you know, epsilon on and neural engine stuff, because the number one place where you want to use serious is still your voice, and that's on lower power devices.

Hold puts because apple watch is vision, do you know? I mean, like, yeah, apple TV like all those products need a story of some description. And if you're in a different company, you can just follow your text to ChatGPT m done with that. But uh, apple doesn't want to do IT that way around, but they need a solution for those other products. You can't just have the iphone series be fantastic and than every other device to be be rubbed because that want to change the reputation is the thing.

The thing that I also keep coming back to is in spring of twenty twenty six, when this actually ships, when L M. Series ships, how much further will OpenAI and google we have advanced if apples compete? This is something I said.

I think we are talking about all of this over the summer. If apple is still planning catch up, they're only going to get further behind the longer they wait to ship something right. The one point in their favor is I think that was also bloomberg u reported that open a eye is like kind of stalling in terms of the progress they're making a ChatGPT.

They've hit kind of a wall. They've realize that either a they don't have enough training data or new training data not being created at th Epace a t w hich t hey w ant t o m ove f orward i n a dvanced C hatGPT. So that's potentially a point apple in apple's favor because obviously, we've seen just exponential progress in these tools since they first day viewed.

But that innovation, that progress is going to slow down and give apple a Better chance to catch up. And that's why I think they need to capitalize. And germen also said in his power on newsletter that apple has already debuted a larger number of features that would Normally deb you as as part of IOS nineteen point zero to developing in the fall of are on the spring of twenty six as part of I was nineteen point four. So clearly hopefully they do have some features, whether there are apple intelligence or otherwise set for I was nineteen point zero or I was nineteen point one. It's just a question of what those features are.

Yeah that will be stuff. Yeah yeah and maybe even like i'm series in by her for months, you should are the and this you know they did a decent amount.

They did that you know a fair amount of stuff on the apple intel gent front in any point one, point two, and they will finish the job in in three, eight info, right? But there's plenty of obvious scope to go, like there's plenty other you apps that could be A I fied more more than other like this stuff that you can do in that we might even see some of that before I was nineteen, maybe I eating point five plans to some apps and situations. You know, i'm sure if this is a continuing cycle now, at least they're on track to chip stuff you know on that on that basis.

And I don't think there is they are behind, but I don't think that they're like impounding behind. Um when you compare IT to other and ID shipping like android has um german I obviously but IT also still ships google assistant on the same device because the action model of oogly assistant is Better than more german I can give you so they still struggling with the exact same problems no um so it's not all like shiny roses uh but yeah like apples at three point whatever a trillion of the company they should be back. Uh and I think they're getting there you know when you're behind to take your while to catch up and it's not gonna happen in one yeah right.

So think of course they are. They know they they doing IT right they got investors where they need and they pushing um we won't find out for a while, but that seems like a generally on the right direction. I would say you can quit about the specifics, but I think overall, the they do in alright.

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this week has kind of a lot of new details on the iphone seventeen lineup, including the iphone seventeen air and the iphone seventeen pro. So starting with the iphone seventeen air, the information says that prototypes for the device are between five and six millimeters thick, which is a big reduction compared to the iphone sixteen at seven point eight millimeters.

As we talked about a few weeks ago though, the focus on making the iphone seven, seventeen areas then as possible has LED to some compromises. And engineering and ah and I had tried phs yeah it's an iphone of tradeoffs. That's the brain name. We don't need iphone seventeen air the iphone of trade ffs. A couple trade.

Dfs reported by the information though are that IT will only have one speaker, so to have an ap speaker and not a second speaker at the bottom of the phone, and that you will have no millimeter away five g because uses apple's modem, no physical sim card tray, and of course, the continued reporting that only have one camera, not two, not three house, and a camera bump that's at the on the back, at the cinner of the phone. Those are a lot of compromises. But that does sound like the thinness is going to be pretty impressive.

I mean, the ipad air, the ipad pro is what five point four middle ters at its ten is I think on the third teenage model and it's a while factor like I was showing IT to somebody i'm traveling and visiting family this week I have IT with me. I showed somebody just health and IT is and even them is not a not somebody who's like blown away or really cares about the engineering that goes into making something that then even they were Price. There is a ww factor to that. And bringing you to the iphone, even with these compromises, is gonna impressive. I mean, as we have thought, as i've said at many at times, it's just impressive cool to see apple doing something different with iphone design.

Yeah, like I think i've said this one to the ipad. Thain ness is remarkable. Anybody can hold that their hand and feel like war.

This is crazy cool IT just looks incredible. It's like a perfect rectangle of screen and is super thin on the side. You know, it's just like a try of screen is incredible.

However, the speaker on the ipad does the speaker, the camera on the ipad does protrude right. But you ve got eleven, eight, thirty canvas of screen area. So the little production, the camera bump is less impact for on the iphone. You know, five or six medium is in this is gonna less crazy, I think, because it's just a smaller thing in your and and part of the back of the phone is going to be poking out by more than that to a Normal degree because of the Cameron the back. So just the .

iphone sixteen now and its seven point eight millimeters or whatever, and it's six out on the back. So comparatively, it's still going .

to be smaller. We do actually know how much is gonna change IT, right? Like either way, I don't think it's gonna be as cool looking as the ipad private, at least from what we can envision at the moment.

IT will be different and have a new design and look different to the other iphone, which make IT. But I don't think the thinness factor is as impact for as you get with the ipad pro. You hold the up on your hand and you like ww, this is crazy.

Not quite sure the iphone will be have that same. I mean, maybe well, but they trying to imagine IT doesn't feel like it's gonna be like that's gona be as overwhelming in terms of in terms of the difference. And this reports um even says that the camera bumps going to be bigger, right at least on the other seventeen.

So on the seventeen slim or call IT is only got one camera is going to be in the center right that would be like a circle, I guess, and be in the middle, which is we to think about about okay. Uh and then what the information says this is on the pro models, it's not going to be like a square camera but is going to like tanguay and be even bigger, which I guess help situation h from them a bit. But other way the camera bump is, is a big issue if you're trying to try the product. Then this like, yeah you take a you take a side profile show of the ipad and just looks like, wow, take a side side profile shot on iphone and this is like a big component is unavoidable thing that hasn't .

been included in any of the rumors about the iphone seventeen airs. How much of a way because making the iphone lighter could probably have a bigger impact on a data basis for most people than making a thinner. And we saw with the reduction and wait from the fourteen to the fifteen when they switch from stainless steel tiantian. So the combination of the thinness and the lightness could have, I would say, just as big of an impact, if not a little bit more than the ipad pro because you are putting the iphone seventeen in your pocket, you're Carrying IT around. You're using IT with one hand.

The other thing with the iphone seventeenth ir too is the lack of a physical system card slot could have impact in china where the information says that basically is a regulatory requirement that all phone sold have a physical sim card slaw because the Carriers in china need to verify the identity of everybody signing up for their service. And at least based on the technology that they have right now and the systems they have in place right now, that's not possible with an E. M. And if there's one thing that apple really loves, its selling iphone in china, I don't think they would scrapper delay the iphone seventeen air because of this. But if they had a, if they had a choice between making IT five millimeters without a physical sim 卡 slot or five point four with a physical symptoms slot， so they could sell the phone in china, they would absolutely take that .

train or at least make a separate model. Could have you mean they do that already? right? Like in china right now, you get the iphone .

has drew sim.

yeah. And the the body, the phone is the same. They just changed like the century park, but the like they already make Operations in the U.

S. You have no century, all right, other every other country, the world still as a century on the current sixteen phones. The information says some countries next year will no longer have the physical stem that also have been forced to E M. But china is a big question mark because the regulatory environment and apples obviously lobbying campaign to get the law, they can do anything and doesn't feel like in the world of technology, you can't make an easy as you attach to somebody is account.

So I don't really see what physical m like give you in someone else is going now, I don't know, feels like a china role that doesn't have any technological backing but is just the way the landon so you have to comply with the law. And i'm sure that they're fighting to get IT change and that eventually somebody might happen in time for the iphone cycle of next year, in which case they will obvious ly have to make some sort of compromise for that region, make IT half familiar, thicker in china over centre on the time. Chinese are big enough market. They would do that. They don't, anna, do IT, but do IT they have to.

Then on the iphone seventeen pro, the information says that the frame will switch from titanium to aluminum.

This swim is expected to be aluminum is rote.

yes, but off. So I sounds all four iphone seventeen models will be aluminum, not titanium. Which is a change obviously, from the current line up where the pro phones are titanium and the non pro phones are aluminium.

This is a wear change to make a switch to tire him and just switch back after or switched after two years, you go from stainless deal to decca im to aluminum. So now all the phones, the pro phones and the base phones have the same material. My only thought on this is that maybe that has something to do with the environment now, climate initiatives, because they can say it's made from recycled illum manum. And I don't know if recycled titanium is really a thing or something that apple can do right now at the scale of the iphone IT.

probably he was right. Right, I think, is lighting the titanium. Is that true? And I think they're a very known looking element.

And finish on the apple watch series ten, the the black glass finis, right? That looks pretty close. Used to think of stainless still right.

It's not identical, but is close. So if that's the treat, the finish that putting on the iphone, I think that he get away with that. You know, like they made a whole big did about titanium.

I phi. We ve got the best incredible finish onder ever is lighted surgical, great, like they can swing IT and they can sell IT. And I don't think if you are a customer, OK well is a downright i'm getting that people look at that shiny, shiny eyes looks amazing. So and I can believe that is odd, I can believe IT um the information also says that the camera bump um as well as being a different shape IT will be like metal so IT won't be like a petro in glass. Have like the aluminium back between the lens is which kind of makes IT sound more like a pixel kind .

of that was the first .

year yeah rectangle region. I can't remember this is golden, but IT looks like two time color fish, uh, which sounds like what they are going with the next round of iphone.

So based on all of this, as we're getting a clear picture of the iphone seventeen air and at least what the information says are significant design changes coming to the proponent, where do you see yourself landing in because you're buying a new iphone next year? At least the plan right now, that is the plan. Where do you see yourself landing?

We don't know enough about what the prime moment was gonna a really? yes. yeah. So that doesn't help make a choice. But I being lined to go to the slim because I think with a cold different one and it's going to have promotion, which is the biggest blocker for the low and models of the iphone sixteen, I would say um so I be open to IT the the not I think two cameras.

I was a bit, you know so I know I think single zone lengths is a big bit questionable 哼， but maybe i'll try IT. The speaker thing is like that A P speaker might be really good because yeah, the current iphone airspace speaker is terrible if you're using IT, not literally next year year. You don't play like pot cosme music through IT and I did on the fine quite a lot like i'm not always got his fans blocked in. Um the apple .

watch does have a decent speaker nowadays. They could use some of that technology maybe to make IT smaller and still not completely .

terrible yeah i'm presuming the single speaker will be beat in the to and so maybe run or something for when you actually phone visage using IT for media playback because if it's exactly the same, a peace because they have now that that's gonna no go because it's just all range. Um so I would say right now, if you want me to guess, i'd go for the new the new shy one, whether they will slim but maybe the process of some super compelling features on the high end.

I think i'm in the same problem as you but the giving up the telephoto camera is gonna hard. And I can live without an altar ride camera, but living without a telephoto is hard. But obviously the telephoto takes up, it's the biggest camera, right? IT takes up the most space in an iphone, so makes sense that they would cut out.

And one of the early rumors with the prose next year is that all three lenses, well before I make a pix. So yeah, that zoom lens will be Better resolution.

One thing i'm kind of surprised hasn't been mentioned any of this, any of these rumors is the removal of the U. S. B.

C. poor. Remember years ago he was probably mean cheek. Wo, who was saying, like apple was shooting to release an iphone that was completely wireless by, I forget his exact time mine, but I was either right around right now or just a couple years away.

And that hasn't been mentioned in any of these reports, not even as a possibility. And you see on the or on the ipad pro, they've pretty much made the thing as soon as possible, accounting for the space required by the U. S.

B. sport. And I do feel like on the iphone were getting closer to being able to have an iphone that's completely wireless.

My safe charging cannot go up to what twenty five watts, I think twenty one, twenty five watts. As of the iphone sixteen lineup, there's more wireless charges on the market, wireless charging as more of a unaccepted technology. Not that I am advocating for the removal of of the U.

S, B, C. Port, but if you can make the phone like staringly thin staringly light, I would consider IT. I almost think the removal of the telephoto camera is gone to have more of an impact than if they would ever moved the USB .

c port for me. Yeah, I mean, six, millie is if the ipad is five point four and is still has the U. S, B, C put on IT, then I guess it's possible, right?

It's not physically. It's possible. Yeah, yeah.

I wonder whether ordinary people would like， I think maybe you like regular person buying and I am might be more to the lack of any port because I still think what is children isn't as pervasive. Ye, you use, I have pluggin charges in other places. I guess that .

depends on the target market for this phone. If they're going to Price at at a starting Price of fifteen hundred dollars that I think people could maybe get behind the idea you're paying for something that just looks beautiful. There are trade off associated with that.

It's the same thing as if you buy like a car that prioritized form over function, you're going to give up some of the practicalities of a card. You might not have a trunk or you might have a tiny trunk, but the car looks incredible. And go, sir, to sixty and one point five seconds or something.

People there is a market of people willing to make that trade off. Yeah, fashion plays a role. yes. And if this is apple, it's almost apple saying, look, john y. Eve is gone. But we still have great designers and we're going to make an iphone that then and light and visual stunning and we don't need him to do IT.

I'm surprised we haven't heard like more of the difference visual character six of the shai though other than its like because it's gna be squared like A A tear drop taper, you know then you could be like, you know if you just the same like square rectangle, but is a couple of side, is that really gonna move people enough to let for go extra cameras? And like think of the the right now the sales pitch for the pro phone over the regular phone is I guess this screen is promotion, right? So the screen differences and IT has an extra camera.

The camera makes a he is a huge selling point of the profiles um and they're gonna give that up and still sell this phone because whether this phone is gonna, it's not going to be a the cheap one less that way. It's gonna a higher and model. Maybe one be IT could be more expensive.

The y max will be less expensive, the primac but IT is not gonna be cheaper than the base model phone, right? So to have one speaker, one camera on the back like it's really got a look good to make up for that yeah and at least right now, the reporting basically eat dinner and that the camera bump looks different. When is in the center rather than side? And that makes IT less appealing in my head. You know like, yeah, if I was a really drastic design difference, like a tear drop or a taper or something we've seen on the iphone, then that be more well.

Because the other thing is there a reality practicality i'm going to put in a case you know I like so as soon as IT is I I there's no way I like i'm going na buy a thousand dollar plus phone and not put in the case these days like I just don't do IT and so that that impact is lesson， you know like there's this, it's a big soup of stuff that i'm not like a hundred percent behind that. You know like I think it's call when they should definitely try, 不 then need to be a bit more that I think to make up for the lack of the camera， the camera aggressions. Maybe the screen doesn't have a no, does not have an island.

doesn't have hole that we go. That's what I think because if if I think of the iphone right now, the two biggest eye source are probably the the cut outs for face idea in the first facing camera and the camera bump. And there's been reporting that the iphone seventeen pro max will have like a significantly smaller. Dynamic island because they're able to reduce the size of the face I sensor.

I think a kind of sign in light, they were gna have a pino. So the a the front of camera would still be a circular cut out. But the face I D infrastructure in for a camera where to go below the screen or more into grade.

Is that coming to the iphone seventeen air? Because if you have an, if you have an iphone seventeen air, that super fair, but still has the same size dynamic island where you have an iphone seventeen pro max that's bigger, has a bigger screen and has the pin hole cut out ter a drastically smaller dynamic island, like he said, the trade off there.

the whole hog. Get ready to the front facing camera. No.

honestly, I think i'd give up the front facing camera that .

I miss IT less yeah I agree .

the telephone to, I don't use the front facing camera much at all.

I do face time sometimes yeah.

I face time some usually I face time from my mac for whatever. But I know i'm in the significant my minority and that, yes.

I think regular people use the front camera law, but self is a super popular.

I don't think me and you are routinely taking self fees, but we're not connected with the with the common people in that regard.

But whether there is a father or no, i'm very glad they are doing something pretty adventurous. Rather than let just take the same phone to make IT the biggest Green or we will just take a smallest or would take last, just like they're trying again to make a fourth fine in the lineup and gonna decisive but IT mobei o and .

it's not going to sell millions and millions of units. It's going to sell some units and it's going to cost more. But the problem we've seen with that fourth iphone model every year with the twelve and thirteen many and the what the fourteen and fifteen and sixteen plus have yet one three years of the plus phones.

Yeah, yeah, those don't sell that much. And I don't know if that the effect of just people are always going to choose the pro phones or if people would choose a different phone of us more different. But we'll see i'm treat, i'm treat. I'm in the same body as you where we need know more about the overall design and how how is going to be different more than just being thin. But because he .

does because he's not just like at least right now, the narrative isn't like the pro phones that is onna say the same visually. They gone to get different industrial designs to if they are going to elimination and they are getting different camera bump sizes like so they're going to look different too if you're just thinking of the raw fashion, elegant of, you know, how do people I have upgraded if IT looks the same, well, that sounds like they're going to look different. But obviously, the seventeen slim would be the most drastic.

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