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Deployment of Marines and National Guard to LA Raises New Authoritarianism Concerns

2025/6/12
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Mina Kim: 作为主持人,我引导讨论了特朗普总统在洛杉矶部署国民警卫队和海军陆战队这一行动的意义和动机,并邀请嘉宾分析这一举动对民主可能造成的威胁。我认为理解这一事件的深层含义对于公众至关重要。 Juliette Kayyem: 作为前国土安全部助理部长,我认为特朗普总统的军事部署既无必要也缺乏计划性。我强调,这种行为是对文职控制军队原则的侵蚀,并且可能被滥用以压制未来的抗议活动。我认为我们必须警惕这种权力扩张,并采取一切可能的手段来阻止它。 David Graham: 作为《大西洋月刊》的撰稿人,我认为特朗普总统的行动是一种“威权主义姿态”,旨在欺压各州并转移公众视线。我认为他试图通过制造混乱和恐吓来巩固自己的权力,这对美国的民主制度构成了严重威胁。我认为我们必须认识到这种行为的本质,并采取行动来捍卫我们的民主价值观。 Gavin Newsom: 作为加州州长,我认为特朗普总统未经我允许就在加州部署军队是对民主的侵犯。我认为这种行为是对宪法的践踏,并且威胁到加州人民的自由。我认为我必须采取法律行动来阻止这种行为,并捍卫加州的自治权。

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Ostensibly to quell anti-ICE protests, President Trump this week mobilized 700 Marines and another 2,000 National Guard troops to Los Angeles. That’s on top of the 2,000 troops he sent over the weekend. The Atlantic’s David Graham calls the deployment a “gesture of authoritarianism.” We’ll talk to Graham and former Department of Homeland Security assistant secretary Juliette Kayyem about Trump’s intensifying efforts to assert executive power, the strategies at play and what the implications could be for our democracy.

Guests:

**Juliette Kayyem, **faculty chair of the Homeland Security Project, Harvard Kennedy School; senior national security analyst, CNN

**David Graham, **staff writer, The Atlantic

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