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Mark Lilla on the Power of Ignorance

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Rachel Miro: 本期节目探讨了人类在信息时代面对信息过载时,既渴望了解真相,又渴望逃避现实的复杂性、恐惧和道德困境的矛盾心理。这种矛盾体现在人们对大规模杀戮事件的麻木,以及对自身参与环境破坏等问题的担忧。 Mark Lilla: 人们在面对负面信息时,存在着既想了解又不想了解的矛盾心理,这反映了人们对自身认知的忽视。这种“对无知的意愿”影响着人们对自身的认知、对世界的论断以及对历史和变化的处理方式。信息过载导致人们难以辨别重要信息,难以保持方向感。人们回避历史上的恐怖事件,部分原因是信息过载和道德疲惫。人们倾向于将现在与过去简单化比较,并寻找造成现状的“罪魁祸首”,这导致了政治上的保守和激进反应。面对不满足的期望,人们可以选择努力提升或降低期望,而降低期望是一种常见的应对方式。对民主的期望过高,是不符合历史实际的,民主制度有其优势和劣势。 Mark Lilla: 电视新闻为了吸引眼球,会选择性地突出负面和耸人听闻的信息,导致人们不愿接收信息。选择性地获取信息,例如只阅读欧洲新闻,可以帮助人们获得更广阔的视角,降低压力。人们应该将追求幸福作为首要目标,这有助于提升应对世界困境的能力。面对信息过载,人们可以选择完全了解、完全忽视或采取一种适度的方式。人们需要在了解世界和了解自身之间取得平衡,并对自身能力有清醒的认识。保护儿童的纯真,不应以剥夺他们对世界了解为代价。面对书籍禁令和信息审查,人们应该一方面加强科学知识的学习,另一方面保持对自身认知的谦逊。帮助年轻人保持内心的平静和平衡,需要引导他们进行自我探索,而不是盲目地追随网络上的信息。自我认知是道德责任的必要条件,但过度的自我认知可能导致行动的瘫痪。人们需要在对自身行为的充分了解和对自身行为的有效行动之间取得平衡。区分真实需求和虚假需求,需要对自身有充分的了解。对世界的不确定性认知,可以让人们更开放地去体验生活中的美好。

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Why do humans have a desire to remain ignorant about certain realities?

Humans have a natural curiosity but also a compulsive desire to avoid complexity, fear, and moral implications of knowing too much. This internal struggle is driven by the overwhelming nature of information, fear for personal safety, and the dread of ethical responsibilities, such as complicity in global issues like climate change.

How does information overload contribute to the modern impulse to tune out?

Information overload makes it difficult for individuals to focus on what truly matters. The constant flood of real-time information from around the world creates a sense of being overwhelmed, leading people to withdraw and seek ways to filter out noise, often resulting in a desire to tune out or remain ignorant.

Why do people often idealize the past as simpler and better?

People idealize the past as simpler due to the overwhelming complexity and rapid changes in the present. This idealization is a coping mechanism to escape the moral exhaustion of dealing with modern problems. It often leads to a nostalgic view of the past as a time of clearer choices and simpler lives, which can fuel political reactions on both the left and right.

What is the significance of the 'city on a hill' metaphor in modern American society?

The 'city on a hill' metaphor, rooted in biblical context, symbolizes a standard of democracy and opportunity that many Americans aspire to. However, this desire often comes with an unwillingness to acknowledge the country's historical and present failings, reflecting a tension between high moral expectations and the reality of societal imperfections.

How does the concept of democracy differ between ancient times and modern expectations?

In ancient times, democracy was viewed as the worst political regime, associated with mob rule and the rise of populist tyrants. Over time, democracy gained a more optimistic reputation, but modern expectations have inflated its perceived capabilities. Democracy is good at certain things but not others, and understanding its limitations is crucial for realistic self-assessment.

What role does self-knowledge play in dealing with uncertainty and information overload?

Self-knowledge helps individuals navigate uncertainty by understanding their own capacities and limitations. It allows people to filter out unnecessary information, focus on what truly matters, and avoid forming uninformed opinions. This self-awareness is essential for maintaining balance and making meaningful decisions in an age of information overload.

How does the idealization of childhood innocence impact children's development?

The idealization of childhood innocence can harm children by keeping them ignorant of the world's complexities. Overprotecting children from knowledge, such as sexual education or societal dangers, can leave them unprepared for real-world challenges. Children need gradual exposure to the world to develop into responsible adults, rather than being shielded from it entirely.

What is the relationship between ignorance and scientific progress?

Ignorance drives scientific progress by compelling researchers to question existing knowledge and seek new truths. Scientific results are always tentative, and the recognition of ignorance motivates the pursuit of better understanding. This approach fosters a culture of curiosity and continuous improvement in the sciences.

How can young people navigate the pressures of constant connectivity and social media?

Young people can navigate constant connectivity by turning inward to develop self-awareness and understanding of their own values. Reducing reliance on social media for validation and seeking meaningful experiences through books, introspection, and real-world interactions can help them find balance and inner peace.

What is the paradox of self-awareness in relation to moral responsibility?

Self-awareness is necessary for moral responsibility, but excessive self-knowledge can lead to paralysis. Ethical action often requires the belief that one is fully in control of their actions, even though this belief may be partially false. Balancing self-awareness with the ability to act decisively is key to maintaining moral agency.

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“Aristotle taught that all human beings want to know,” writes Columbia professor of humanities Mark Lilla, adding that “our own experience teaches us that all human beings also want not to know, sometimes fiercely so.” We’ll talk to Lilla about our innate disposition toward ignorance – whether about a political reality or an uncomfortable family secret. Lilla’s new book is “Ignorance and Bliss: On Wanting Not to Know.”

Guests:

**Mark Lilla, **professor of the humanities, department of history, Columbia University; http://marklilla.com/