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DOGE, National Gallery of Art Representatives Meet to Discuss Museum’s Legal Status

2025/4/23
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播音员:一个与特朗普政府有关联、与马斯克有联系的非官方组织DOGE,正在试图削减政府开支并重塑联邦政府的影响力。他们正在接触一些以前被认为在政治上不可触碰的机构,例如国家美术馆。国家美术馆并非政府机构,也不是史密森尼学会的一部分,它是一个公私合作的机构。国会支付基本运营费用,但收购和发展则依赖于钢铁巨头安德鲁·梅隆于1936年创建的私人信托基金。梅隆捐赠了无价的艺术品和博物馆建筑资金,换取了国家美术馆的长期自主权,由一个受托人委员会保护,该委员会现在包括亿万富翁、首席执行官,甚至首席大法官约翰·罗伯茨。DOGE与国家美术馆馆长和法律顾问的会面,被描述为对博物馆法律地位的审查,这并非例行检查,而是日益增长的模式的一部分。此前,DOGE曾被指控强行进入美国和平研究所的办公室,并且维拉司法研究所警告说,DOGE打算将其人员安置在其组织内部。国家美术馆的案例尤其敏感,因为它既拥有联邦资金,又拥有文化声望,其独特的混合结构赋予它独立性,而DOGE似乎有兴趣重新定义这种独立性。特朗普政府已经采取措施,以获得对接受政府支持的非营利实体的更多控制权。DOGE虽然没有官方的法律权力,但其影响力正在扩大,它瞄准的是那些依赖联邦资金同时又声称拥有自主权的机构。DOGE对国家美术馆的施压,最终可能会导致结构性变化,其影响不容小觑。

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coming soon. So why did an unofficial group tied to Elon Musk show up at the National Gallery of Art to question its legal status?

So that's the surprise that rippled through the museum last week after leadership met behind closed doors with representatives from DOGE. Now, DOGE isn't a formal federal agency. It's a Trump-aligned, Musk-connected group acting as an unofficial enforcement arm aimed at cutting government spending and reshaping federal influence. Now, it's knocking on the doors of institutions that, until recently, were considered politically untouchable.

The National Gallery isn't a government agency. It's not part of the Smithsonian either. It's common misunderstanding. It runs as a public-private partnership. Congress pays for basic operations, but acquisitions and growth rely on a private trust created in 1936 by steel tycoon Andrew Mellon.

In exchange for his donation of priceless artworks and funding for a museum building, Mellon secured long-term autonomy for the gallery, protected by a trustee board that now includes billionaires, CEOs, and even Chief Justice John Roberts. Now, Doge's meeting with director K. Wynn Feldman and legal counsel Luis Bacuandano was described as a review of the museum's legal standing.

Feldman later told staff the gallery has always worked with all administrations and intends to continue doing so. But this isn't a routine check-in. It's part of a growing pattern. In March, Doge was accused of forcing its way into the offices of the U.S. Institute of Peace. And a week ago, the Vera Institute of Justice warned that Doge intended to place its people inside their organization. Now, the National Gallery's case is a

is especially sensitive because it holds both federal funding and cultural prestige. Its unique hybrid structure gives it independence, something Doge appears interested in redefining. And Trump's administration has already taken steps to gain more control over non-profit entities that receive government support.

He appointed himself chair of the Kennedy Center and issued an order to increase oversight of the Smithsonian. Now, the National Endowment for the Humanities sought staff and its budget cut with funds redirected to build Trump's proposed National Garden of American Heroes. Now, DOGE has no official legal authority, but its influence is expanding. It targets institutions that rely on federal dollars while claiming autonomy.

These visits, though technically informal, often lead to changes. And for the gallery, the question is whether this pressure will remain symbolic or become something that...

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