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Elon Musk: 特斯拉在自动驾驶领域投入巨大,未来发展潜力无限。我们2024年在制造业AI和机器人技术方面进行了大量关键投资,未来将带来丰硕的成果。事实上,其规模之大难以想象。我之前说过,并且我坚持我的说法,我认为特斯拉有潜力成为全球市值最高的公司,远远领先于其他公司,甚至可能是前五名公司市值总和的几倍。这是一条艰难的道路,但我相信这是可以实现的。 特斯拉的未来价值主要取决于自动驾驶汽车和自主人形机器人。我们的重点是朝着这个方向努力。我们在2024年为此奠定了基础,并将继续在2025年奠定基础。事实上,我们将不仅仅是奠定基础,我们将建造结构,建造生产线。 我预计2026年将是史诗般的一年,2027年和2028年将是令人难以置信的好年景。这是我的预测。目前,很少有人理解大规模驾驶和我们货币化车队的能力。 我已经说过这些话很久了,我知道人们会说,‘埃隆总是夸大其词’,但我告诉你,这次是真的。你可以驾驶它,事实上,它可以驾驶你。这是一辆自动驾驶的‘狼’。 许多人对特斯拉自动驾驶的体验,如果甚至是一两年前的体验,就像在他们还是蹒跚学步的孩子时就认识他们,并认为他们会永远是蹒跚学步的孩子一样。但显然,如果他们长大,他们就不会永远是蹒跚学步的孩子。但如果他们的最后一次体验是,‘FSD还处于蹒跚学步的阶段’,那么现在它已经长大了。你见过它吗?它就像能走会说一样。 这就是我们现在拥有的。人们很难理解这一点,因为人类的直觉是线性的,而我们看到的是指数级的进步。这就是为什么我向任何怀疑的人提出的第一建议就是:试试看。你试过吗?你上次试是什么时候?唯一持怀疑态度的人是那些没有尝试过的人。 一辆普通乘用车每周的使用时间大约只有10小时,占168小时的一小部分。一旦这辆车实现了自动驾驶,我的粗略估计是,它每周至少可以使用三分之一的时间,也就是大约50小时,或者35小时。它可以同时用于货物运输和人员运输。即使人们在睡觉,你也可以在半夜送包裹,或者为餐馆补货,或者任何人们在一天中的任何时间或夜晚需要的任何东西。同样的资产,那些已经存在的东西,没有额外的成本变化,只是一个软件更新,现在它们的使用率提高了五倍甚至更多。 我认为这将是人类历史上最大的资产价值增长。也许还有更大的事情,但我不知道是什么。所以,那些回顾过去的人正在寻找过去的先例,但我认为没有。所以,自动驾驶的现实已经到来。我再次建议,尝试驾驶这辆车,或者让它驾驶你。 现在它在美国运行得很好,但当然,随着时间的推移,它在其他地方也会运行得一样好。是的。所以我们正在努力提高我们的年产量。我们今年的限制,我们目前的限制是电池组,但我们正在努力解决这个问题。我认为我们将在这方面取得进展。然后,明年事情将真正变得疯狂,在27年和28年将变得更加疯狂。所以,关于完全自动驾驶,再多说一点。我们的第四季度车辆安全报告显示,车辆安全性能持续同比改善。所以,安全数据,无论是否有人监督完全自动驾驶开启,安全差异都非常巨大。 人们已经看到了13版以及13版中的增量版本所带来的巨大改进。然后14版将是超越13版的一个非常重要的步骤。我们在Gigafactory奥斯汀启动了Cortex训练集群,这对FSD的进步做出了重大贡献。我们继续投资于德克萨斯州总部的培训基础设施。 Optimus或Optimus人形机器人的培训需求最终可能至少是汽车的10倍,至少要达到各种有用的角色。人形机器人与汽车相比有多少不同的角色?人形机器人可能有一千倍甚至更多的用途和更复杂的事情,这并不意味着训练规模会增加一千倍,但现在可能是10倍,你可以逐步进行,这并不意味着酒店将花费5000亿美元用于训练计算,因为我们显然会训练Optimus来完成足够的任务以匹配Optimus机器人的输出,而且显然,随着时间的推移,训练成本正在急剧下降。 但这是一件我认为长期来看Optimus将......Optimus有可能带来超过10万亿美元的收入。这简直是不可思议的。在这种情况下,你显然可以负担得起大量的训练计算。事实上,在这种情况下,即使是5000亿美元的训练计算也是一笔相当划算的交易。是的,未来将与过去大相径庭。这是肯定的。我们正处于人类历史上令人难以置信的转折点。 是的,事实胜于雄辩。所以我们将在6月份在奥斯汀推出无人监督的完全自动驾驶作为一项付费服务。 我们在与团队的讨论中,对能够在6月份在奥斯汀启动最初的无人驾驶(车内无人)完全自动驾驶充满信心。我们已经在弗里蒙特的工厂使用特斯拉进行自主无人驾驶,并且很快将在德克萨斯州的工厂这样做。因此,每天有数千辆汽车在我们加利福尼亚州弗里蒙特的工厂无人驾驶。他们很快将在奥斯汀以及世界其他地区的其他工厂这样做,这非常酷。而且这些汽车不仅仅是驾驶到完全相同的地方,因为显然,如果它们都撞到同一个地方,那就糟糕了。这些汽车实际上已经过编程,知道它们需要停放在哪个车道才能被取走进行交付。因此,它们从工厂的生产线末端行驶到它们的目的地停车位,然后可以被取走交付给客户。 它们每天都在可靠地执行这项工作,每天数千次。就像我说的那样,这些特斯拉将在6月份在奥斯汀无人驾驶。

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Really, I was going to say doubling down on autonomy, but really it's like autonomy is like 10x-ing, frankly. Doubling is not even enough. We made many critical investments in 2024 in manufacturing AI and robotics that will bear immense fruit in the future. Immense. Like it's, in fact, to such a scale that it is difficult to comprehend. And I've said this before, and I'll stand by it.

I see a path. I'm not saying it's an easy path, but I see a path to Tesla being the most valuable company in the world by far, not even close, like maybe several times more than... I mean, there is a path where Tesla is worth more than the next top five companies combined. There's a path to that. I mean, I think it's like an incredibly... It's like a difficult path, but it is an achievable path. So...

And that is overwhelmingly due to autonomous vehicles and autonomous humanoid robots. So our focus is actually building towards that. And that's what we're laying the groundwork for that in 2024. We'll continue to lay the groundwork for that in 2025. More than lay the groundwork, actually, we'll be building the structure, we're building the manufacturing lines.

I'd like setting up for what I think will be an epic 2026 and a ridiculous 27 and 28. Ridiculously good. That is my prediction. As yet, very few people understand the value of wholesale driving and our ability to monetize the fleet.

You know, I've said these things for quite a long time, and I know people have said, well, you know, Elon's the boy who cried wolf like several times. But I'm telling you, there's a damn wolf this time. And you can drive it. In fact, it can drive you. It's a self-driving wolf.

For a lot of people, their experience of Tesla autonomy is like, if it's even a year old, if it's even two years old, it's like meeting someone when they're like a toddler and thinking that they're going to be a toddler forever. But obviously they're not going to be a toddler forever if they grow up. But if their last experience was like, oh, FSD was a toddler, it's like, well, it's grown up now. Have you seen it? It's like walks and talks. And

That's really what we've got. And it's difficult for people to understand this because human intuition is linear as opposed to what we're seeing is exponential progress. So that's why my number one recommendation for anyone who doubts is simply try it. Have you tried it? When's the last time you tried it? And the only people who are skeptical, the only people who are skeptical are those who have not tried it.

So, you know, a car goes, a passenger car typically has only about 10 hours of utility per week out of 168, a very small percentage. Once that car is autonomous, my rough estimate is that it is in use for at least a third of the hours of the week, so call it 50, maybe 35 hours of the week. And it can be used for both

Coggle delivery and people delivery. So even let's say people are asleep, but you can deliver packages in the middle of the night or resupply restaurants or whatever the case may be, whatever people need at all hours of the day or night. That same asset, the thing that these things that already exist with no incremental cost change, just a software update, now have five times or more of the utility that they currently have.

I think this will be the largest asset value increase in human history. Maybe there's something bigger, but I just don't know what it is. And so people who look in the rearview mirror are looking for past precedent, except I don't think there is one. So, you know, the reality of autonomy is upon us. And I repeat my advice, try driving the car or let it drive you.

So, now it works very well in the US, but of course, it will over time work just as well everywhere else. Yeah. So we're working hard to grow our annual volumes. Our constraint this year, our current constraint is battery packs this year, but we're working on addressing that constraint. And I think we will make progress in addressing that constraint. And then

things are really going to go ballistic next year and really ballistic in 27 and 28. So, um, yeah, so a little bit more on full self-driving. Our Q4 vehicle safety report shows continued year-over-year improvement in safety for vehicles. So the safety numbers, if somebody has supervised full self-driving turned on or not, the safety differences are gigantic. So, uh,

And people have seen the immense improvement with version 13 and with incremental versions in version 13. And then version 14 is going to be yet another step beyond that that is very significant. We launched the Cortex training cluster at Gigafactory Austin, which was a significant contributor to FSD advancement. And we continue to invest in training infrastructure out of Texas headquarters.

So the training needs for Optimus or Optimus humanoid robot are probably at least ultimately 10x of what's needed for the car, at least to get to the full range of useful roles. How many different roles are there for a humanoid robot versus a car? A humanoid robot has probably, well, a thousand times more uses and more complex things than

in a car that doesn't mean the training scales by a thousand but it's probably you know 10x now you can do this progressively so it doesn't mean like hotels are going to spend like 500 billion dollars in training compute um uh because we will obviously train the optimus to do enough tasks to match the output of optimus robots um but and obviously the cost of training is dropping dramatically with time so

But it is one of those things where I think long-term optimists will be... Optimists has the potential to be north of $10 trillion in revenue. Like, this is really bananas. So that you can obviously afford a lot of training compute in that situation. In fact, even $500 billion training compute in that situation would be quite a good deal. Yeah. The future is going to be incredibly different from the past. That's for sure. We live at this unbelievable inflection point in human history. So...

Yeah, so the proof is in the pudding. So we're going to be launching unsupervised full self-driving as a paid service in Austin in June.

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Tesla's operating autonomously, unsupervised, also driving at our factory in Fremont and will soon be up and doing that at our factory in Texas. So thousands of cars every day are driving with no one in them at our Fremont factory in California. They will soon be doing that in Austin and then elsewhere in the world for the rest of our factories, which is pretty cool. And the cars aren't just

driving to exactly the same spot because obviously it all went and collided at the same spot. The cars are actually programmed with what lane they need to park into to be picked up for delivery. So they drive from the factory end of line to their destination parking spot and that could be picked up for delivery to customers.

And they're doing this reliably every day, thousands of times a day. It's pretty cool. Like I said, these Teslas will be in the wild, there's no one in them, in June in Austin.

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