Marc Maron: 我在经历了加州山火后,在萨克拉门托和纳帕的演出中,在舞台上处理了自己的感受。这场演出让我在舞台上实时处理了自己的情绪,这正是我通常的做法。Richard Gadd 的 Netflix 剧集《Baby Reindeer》是一部深刻、勇敢且令人惊叹的作品。加州山火正在肆虐,情况非常可怕,造成了巨大的破坏,令人心碎。加州山火带来的集体创伤让人联想起911事件后的感受。在加州生活,面临地震和火灾的风险,现在我考虑离开这个城市。我对我的猫非常依恋,尤其是在危机时刻。在采访Richard Gadd的过程中,我们收到了紧急疏散警报。Richard Gadd 的《Baby Reindeer》系列剧集取材于他之前的舞台剧《Monkey See, Monkey Do》和《Baby Reindeer》。Richard Gadd 的舞台剧《Monkey See, Monkey Do》讲述了他成年后遭受的性侵犯经历。Richard Gadd 的舞台剧《Baby Reindeer》讲述了一个跟踪狂的故事。Netflix 正在因《Baby Reindeer》而被起诉。
Richard Gadd: 我在苏格兰的斯坦喜剧俱乐部开始了我的喜剧生涯。爱丁堡艺穗节是一段艰难的经历,即使演出顺利,也会让人筋疲力尽。我在爱丁堡艺穗节初期,曾在一个几乎无人问津的酒吧演出。我从小就受到喜剧的强烈影响。英国版《办公室》和《发展受阻》等剧集对我产生了很大的影响。我早期的喜剧风格比较另类,并不适合传统的喜剧俱乐部。我在喜剧俱乐部演出时曾遭遇过嘘声、辱骂甚至袭击。我在离开家乡去大学后,感到内心深处缺少一些东西。我从小就有一种不完整的自我感,这导致我在人际关系中缺乏界限感。我缺乏自我感和界限感,导致我容易被他人利用。《Baby Reindeer》中关于父亲的部分是虚构的。我童年时期在学校遭受过严重的欺凌。我童年时期的欺凌经历与我的胎记有关。我童年时期的欺凌经历让我变得坚强。我从事喜剧是为了试图控制人们为什么嘲笑我。在学校扮演麦克白让我找到了自己的人生方向。我大学期间对莎士比亚产生了浓厚的兴趣。我大学期间的目标是创作一部类似于英国版《办公室》的剧集。我在大学期间努力学习,最终取得了优异的成绩。恐惧、缺乏和焦虑一直驱使我努力工作。我创作《Baby Reindeer》是为了处理我遭受的性侵犯和药物滥用经历。我创作了《Monkey See, Monkey Do》来处理我遭受的性侵犯经历。我的舞台剧《Waiting for Gado》是一场成功的实验性演出。在遭受性侵犯后,我经历了否认、最小化和逃避等阶段。我创作了《Monkey See, Monkey Do》来公开承认并处理我遭受的性侵犯经历。《Monkey See, Monkey Do》获得了爱丁堡喜剧奖。羞耻感会让人上瘾,而打破沉默是克服羞耻感的唯一途径。《Monkey See, Monkey Do》的成功让我从兼职喜剧演员变成了全职演员。我与跟踪狂的经历与《Baby Reindeer》中的情节同时发生。我通过工作来逃避创伤。心理治疗能够帮助我处理恐惧和经历。《Monkey See, Monkey Do》让我进行了自我反省,并为创作《Baby Reindeer》奠定了基础。我创作《Baby Reindeer》的过程非常艰辛。我与其他喜剧演员的关系很好,但我已经很少从事喜剧表演了。《Baby Reindeer》的舞台剧版本非常成功,这为电视剧的制作奠定了基础。由于《Baby Reindeer》的成功,我获得了多个流媒体平台的青睐。我正在创作一个新的、虚构的故事,这对我来说是一个新的挑战。我正在拍摄一部新的BBC和HBO的电视剧,这对我来说是一个很大的赌博。
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Marc Maron: 'the cats if we needed to evacuate to go do a couple of gigs because I felt like I had to because if I didn't show up for that and I look again, this situation out here is fluid and it's tragic and it's fucking incomprehensible.'
Marc Maron: 'And it was kind of an epic experience for me to move through my feelings in real time, which is really what I do.'
Marc Maron: 'He won three Emmys for the show, and his performance is nominated for a Screen Actors Guild Award. And I'll give you a little more preface to him in a minute.'
Marc Maron: 'These fires are, are ongoing. They're terrifying. And I am, I am lucky as of, of this moment, I'm safe. As I said, the animals are safe. Kid is safe. Kids, animals are safe. Many people have lost everything and it's, it's just fucking incomprehensible and tragic.'
Marc Maron: 'And, and it's, it's heartbreaking, but it was always a possibility out here. It's a, It's just it's just fucking devastating. And I just I feel awful for so many people that are dealing with the destruction of their entire lives.'
Marc Maron: 'Entire communities were decimated. It looks like a fucking nuclear bomb went off in some parts of L.A. County. And quite honestly, having been there, it feels a little bit like post 9-11 here in terms of the collective trauma that people are moving through.'
Marc Maron: 'There was always the possibility of this. It was part of the devil's bargain you exist with to live in this city. Earthquakes, fires. Some part of you was in enough denial or blind faith to just accept it and hope for the best. Those days are fucking over, man. It just seems that if you are a rational person, you would move as quickly as possible from this fucking city.'
Marc Maron: 'And that's, you know, it's amazing how attached I am to those cats in these crises. And now they all have their own carrier for quick transport in the case of fleeing.'
Marc Maron: 'So Richard Gad was here a few days ago. It was just a day in or maybe a day and a half, two days into the horrendous fires out here. And there is a point during the interview where, you know, we get an emergency evacuation alert, which turned out to have gone out to too many people.'
Marc Maron: 'So in the conversation, you know, we talk about, he did a couple of stage shows at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival that were the kind of, the basis of Baby Reindeer.'
Marc Maron: 'And that was about the sexual abuse that he was victim to as an adult by a person in the business. And he was drugged. And and abused sexually.'
Marc Maron: 'And then there was another show that was actually called Baby Reindeer, which centered around a person who who wound up stalking him.'
Marc Maron: 'When he says there are things he can't talk about, it's because Netflix is currently being sued by a woman who alleges that she was the one being depicted in the show.'
Richard Gadd: 'And the Stan Comedy Club, the Red Rose on a Tuesday, that was where I cut. My teeth in a big way.'
Richard Gadd: 'Even when it goes well, the Fringe can be tough. I mean, it's so funny because every time I would gear myself up to go to the Fringe, I would always think to myself... I'm not going to let it affect me this month.'
Richard Gadd: 'I got myself that venue and I was so new that I... I think they were just like, who is this guy? Let's just give him a really bad venue.'
Richard Gadd: 'Oh, massively. Yeah. So, so that was another big way I spent my childhood. I devoured comedy.'
Richard Gadd: 'I grew up in the age of The Office, you know. What else are you going to do? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So you watch the BBC? Yeah, I watch the... The UK Office was a big inspiration for me growing up.'
Richard Gadd: 'Well, I tried. I tried, but never with much luck. I would occasionally get the paid gig, but my stuff was so out there.'
Richard Gadd: 'I mean, I could kill the atmosphere to the point where, like, people would almost be like... I mean, I've had some terrible gigs. Like, I've been heckled, booed. At comedy clubs. At comedy clubs, yeah, heckled, booed.'
Richard Gadd: 'I think when I left home and... At what, 18, 19? Yeah, to go to university. I do remember thinking that there was kind of... something missing inside of me.'
Richard Gadd: 'I remember sort of once I was out in the real world and I, I was out of like a small town where I had my friends and I had my family. I just remember getting to university and thinking, I don't know who I am having that kind of hole in the soul thing.'
Richard Gadd: 'And it's like, it's a real, it's a real problem in, in terms of like, if you kind of move through life with a, a sort of feeling that you don't have a complete, um, the sense of self to fight.'
Richard Gadd: 'But he was very much of the... I don't think you'll mind me saying this, the crazy scientist ilk. Oh, really? The kind of crazy... But a good guy.'
Richard Gadd: 'And in my early years, I was kind of picked on quite badly there.'
Richard Gadd: 'But I remember when I was a kid in my... I played for this tennis club, the Wormit Tennis Club. Yeah. And I remember I had a birthmark on my head, which has actually faded. And it was the shape of Africa, if you can believe this.'
Richard Gadd: 'But it causes you to be kind of tough in your neighborhood, to stick up for yourself, to not take much shit from people.'
Richard Gadd: 'I think that is a very, you know, good way of looking at it. I think, yeah, I mean, to come back to the kind of wider point of why I kind of sought that, because I think something will have to go, there's something lacking to have to go onto stage and be like, I want to make you laugh.'
Richard Gadd: 'And I got some sort of adrenaline and affirmation.'
Richard Gadd: 'From that point on, I started to really... And then when I went off to uni, I would do essays and do all that stuff and study Shakespeare.'
Richard Gadd: 'And that was always my goal, which really kind of got all the way to Baby Reindeer in a way.'
Richard Gadd: 'And I never, ever missed a single lecture or tutorial the entire time I was at university. So you applied yourself, as they say, in the business.'
Richard Gadd: 'And work has been the main source to kind of patch over that and to explore that and to go through that.'
Richard Gadd: 'And then my life was existing in this impossible juxtaposition between doing kind of frivolous laughs and kind of in-your-face humor and sound effects and all this stuff.'
Richard Gadd: 'In the show, in Baby Reindeer, it's like an impulsive decision to break down and start talking about it. But in real life, it was a show called Monkey See, Monkey Do.'
Richard Gadd: 'And that was a really successful one.'
Richard Gadd: 'I mean, it was devastating. I mean, I don't, a lot of it, I think you go through a process first of denial or a process of minimizing and a process of, just desperately not thinking about it.'
Richard Gadd: 'And it got to the point where I thought I have to come to terms with this and come clean with this because the secret was too much to bear.'
Richard Gadd: 'But I remember going up and thinking it was going to be the ruin of me. And I don't know what I was thinking. I had Flammies at the time who I think thought it was a bad idea and were making jokes about it being a bad idea.'
Richard Gadd: 'It's the only way I think you can get through it is by speaking and not being ashamed of it because I think it builds so much shame up inside you that it can create some real internal damage and psychological damage that the only way I know is to speak out about it.'
Richard Gadd: 'Well, I mean, I just couldn't believe the response to it. So I won the Perrier Award. I suddenly went from being a kind of part-time jobbing barman comedian to full-time.'
Richard Gadd: 'At the same time as the other stuff. And I sometimes think that when... I mean, what's the... So not unlike the series. Not unlike the series. They were happening simultaneously.'
Richard Gadd: 'And I indulged in work.'
Richard Gadd: 'But I think I've tried. Yeah. I mean, I think just standard talk therapy does really help. With somebody who can contextualize what your experience was.'
Richard Gadd: 'And so I did it with that. And then that's what... brought us to where we are now.'
Richard Gadd: 'And I, yeah, and I, it was a bit of a balls to the wall kind of job.'
Richard Gadd: 'Oh, I've got great comedy friends. I think I've made some of the best friends I've ever had from comedy in so many ways.'
Richard Gadd: 'Yeah, it was kind of quite mad. I mean, the theater piece exploded. Like, it really was like this word of mouth hit.'
Richard Gadd: 'But I realized the play was so hot that all of a sudden I felt like I was going into these commissioner meetings and they were kind of pitching as to why I should do it there.'
Richard Gadd: 'Yeah, like do because I'm doing a new show now, which is generating outside of myself.'
Richard Gadd: 'So it's definitely time to spin 180 and try a different thing. And so I'm doing a BBC HBO show now called Half Man, filming in a couple of weeks, actually.'
What inspired Richard Gadd to create the Netflix series 'Baby Reindeer'?
Richard Gadd created 'Baby Reindeer' as a way to process and explore traumatic events in his life, including experiences of sexual abuse and being stalked. The series is based on his earlier stage shows, 'Monkey See, Monkey Do' and 'Baby Reindeer', which dealt with these deeply personal and painful topics.
How did Richard Gadd's early experiences with comedy shape his career?
Richard Gadd began his comedy career in Scotland, performing at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival and cutting his teeth at venues like the Stand Comedy Club. His early work was often high-concept and subversive, which sometimes alienated traditional comedy audiences but eventually led to his unique voice in the industry.
What challenges did Richard Gadd face while creating 'Baby Reindeer'?
Creating 'Baby Reindeer' was emotionally taxing for Richard Gadd, as it required him to revisit and process deeply traumatic experiences, including sexual abuse and stalking. Additionally, the show's success brought intense scrutiny and legal challenges, such as a lawsuit from a woman who claims she was depicted in the series.
How did Richard Gadd's personal life influence his work on 'Baby Reindeer'?
Richard Gadd's personal life, including his experiences with sexual abuse and stalking, directly influenced 'Baby Reindeer'. The series is a raw and honest exploration of these events, combining elements from his stage shows 'Monkey See, Monkey Do' and 'Baby Reindeer' to create a deeply personal narrative.
What was the response to Richard Gadd's stage show 'Monkey See, Monkey Do'?
Richard Gadd's stage show 'Monkey See, Monkey Do', which dealt with his experiences of sexual abuse, was met with critical acclaim and won the Edinburgh Comedy Award (formerly known as the Perrier Award). The show's success helped Gadd transition from a part-time comedian to a full-time artist and brought attention to his unique storytelling style.
How did Richard Gadd's upbringing in Scotland influence his creative work?
Growing up in a small town in Scotland, Richard Gadd found inspiration in comedy and sitcoms, particularly 'The Office'. His early experiences with bullying and a sense of isolation fueled his desire to create art that explored vulnerability and trauma, which became central themes in his work, including 'Baby Reindeer'.
What is Richard Gadd's next project after 'Baby Reindeer'?
Richard Gadd's next project is a BBC HBO show called 'Half Man', which marks a departure from his autobiographical work. The series features fictional characters and a different narrative style, with Jamie Bell playing the lead role. Gadd is both writing and acting in the show, which he describes as a personal gamble.
How did Richard Gadd's therapy experiences influence his work?
Therapy played a significant role in Richard Gadd's life, helping him process traumatic experiences and providing a space to explore his emotions. This self-examination and healing process directly influenced his work, particularly in shows like 'Monkey See, Monkey Do' and 'Baby Reindeer', which delve into themes of abuse and recovery.
What was the impact of 'Baby Reindeer' on Richard Gadd's career?
'Baby Reindeer' had a profound impact on Richard Gadd's career, catapulting him into the spotlight and earning critical acclaim, including Emmy wins and a Screen Actors Guild Award nomination. The show's success also led to opportunities in television and film, allowing Gadd to expand his creative horizons beyond comedy and theater.
How does Richard Gadd view his future in comedy and theater?
While Richard Gadd has stepped away from traditional comedy circuit work, he remains open to returning to live performances and writing theater. He views his future as one of continued risk-taking and exploration, focusing on projects that challenge him creatively, such as his upcoming BBC HBO series 'Half Man'.
Marc Maron shares his experience of the devastating California wildfires, expressing feelings of shock, trauma, and vulnerability. He describes the contrast between supportive and difficult audiences during his comedy gigs in Sacramento and Napa, highlighting the emotional challenges of performing amidst a crisis.
Richard Gadd created the Netflix series Baby Reindeer as a way to work through traumatic events in his life that were hard to process. But it became equally difficult to process the runaway success of the show and the impact it had on his life. Richard talks with Marc about how his early days doing standup in the UK and writing stage shows for himself were underscored by a lack of boundaries and a feeling that something was missing inside of him. He also explains why his follow-up to Baby Reindeer is a personal gamble.
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