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The Steve Ballmer Interview

2025/6/2
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Ben Gilbert:史蒂夫·鲍尔默先生,您被广泛认为是微软企业业务的奠基人,如今微软已成为全球最具价值的企业,这主要归功于企业业务的成功。 Steve Ballmer:我对此既感到自豪又有些许遗憾。自豪的是,微软的企业业务确实非常成功。遗憾的是,微软最初是一家消费者公司,我们建立了一个非常重要的消费者业务,但后来我们失去了在消费者市场的优势。如果我能够保持住消费者市场的优势,同时企业业务也能蓬勃发展,那将是非常理想的。我认为产品应该能够吸引消费者,IT 部门可以处理,并且有一个平台让开发者围绕这些产品进行构建。我希望微软能兼顾用户和企业,允许开发者扩展我们所做的一切。

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We sit down with Steve Ballmer, the legendary former Microsoft CEO and owner of the LA Clippers, for an epic conversation covering his 34 years at Microsoft. Steve listened to our Microsoft episodes and had some thoughts to share — and boy, did he deliver. Steve takes us point-by-point through the original IBM DOS deal that started everything, how he built Microsoft's enterprise business from scratch, and offers his candid reflections on missing mobile and search. We also cover the story behind “developers, developers, developers”, the complexities of his relationship with Bill Gates (including a year where they didn't speak), and why he ultimately decided to step down as CEO. Plus, we learn why Steve has held onto his Microsoft stock through it all — giving him arguably the best investment track record in the world over the last 10 years with his net worth growing from $20B to $130B since leaving. And of course, we couldn't resist also talking about his other passion: the Clippers and Intuit Dome. Hit play and get ready to experience the patented Steve Ballmer energy and fun on full display!

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