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A New Virus is Spreading Across China

2025/1/28
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由于中国政府系统性地隐瞒疫情信息,很难判断中国当前疫情的真实严重程度。从社交媒体获取信息存在困难,因为信息审查严格,且网民的恐慌情绪会影响信息真实性。中国医疗体系与西方国家不同,人们生病通常直接去医院,这使得医院人满为患的情况难以判断其严重程度。中国政府掩盖疫情信息的能力在新冠疫情后有所增强,这使得判断疫情真实情况更加困难。目前中国有多种病毒传播,难以判断哪种病毒对疫情影响最大。网上流传的关于隔离区和火葬场排队等信息真伪难辨。世卫组织证实中国官方说法,认为无需担忧,但这并不可靠。世卫组织官员回避关于台湾疫情和加入世卫组织的问题,显示其缺乏透明度和公正性。

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Yeah, it's always hard to tell how bad it is in China. Because they systematically lie. They systematically lie and also...

You're trying to get information, stuff like this that's super censored, you're trying to get it from social media. But people in China using social media are just like people anywhere else using social media. You tend to kind of panic and doom scroll. So then you have all these videos of people waiting in line at hospitals. But it's hard to tell whether that's just normal winter weather

everybody's getting viruses. Because you made this point to me. Yeah, because China's healthcare system is set up differently than many, the US, right, or many other Western countries. But even countries that have socialized medicine, it's different. Yeah, well, I mean, I don't mean like the socialized medicine part, which

It's complicated in China, but I just mean there are no primary physicians in a sense. Like, you don't go to your doctor's office. Like, if you get sick, you go to the hospital. Like, everybody just goes and gets treated at the hospital. So when hospitals look like they're overflowing and, you know, there's so many people, it could be... Just flu season. Yeah, it could be similar to, like, the urgent care in your local town is overflowing with people who have the flu, you know, and... But...

You wouldn't look at that and be like, oh my God, it's a catastrophe. The way we think of like you're only going to a hospital if it's an emergency. And if the emergency rooms are overflowing with people who are sick, then it must be a deadly pandemic. Yeah. And well, yeah, because especially with COVID in everybody's minds, we know how the Chinese Communist Party like has systems in place to cover up

And I'm sure they've only developed those systems even better because of COVID. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, it's very hard to tell. You know, there have been reports that, you know, there's this HMPV virus, which is like kind of not... The metapneumovirus?

This is why I said at the beginning, viruses. Yeah. But then there's also reports that H5N1, which is the bird flu, is spreading in China. It's just, it is so hard to tell what is actually happening. Yeah. Yeah. Like I saw that there was a quote from the Da Ji Yuan, which is the Chinese...

version of the epic times they interviewed a Chinese doctor who said that he's encountered no fewer than 100 cases of the bird flu and he said it's already spread widely, it's basically out of control, it'll be officially announced. Large-scale quarantine zones are already under construction. Yeah, and then... But, you know, I haven't seen that. We haven't seen...

the video evidence of large-scale quarantine zones. Yeah. I think there's been some stuff that has been online, but it's unclear whether those are just like the leftover buildings from COVID or if these are new quarantine constructions. And there's also been, you know, there are rumors about like lines at crematoriums or something. Like it's just, it feels like a lot of the stuff that was happening during COVID, but you cannot be sure. But...

Let me just, you know, assuage your fears, Shelley. The WHO has confirmed China's story that there is nothing to worry about. Yes, well, as we all know, as long as the WHO said something. Actually, somebody reposted on X yesterday this video that I completely forgotten about, which was a Hong Kong reporter from RTHK interviewing a WHO official

over zoom or whatever and asking him about taiwan oh yeah yeah i think it was well i reposted it from drew pavlo who posted okay i probably saw drew's yeah yeah so then uh it was just like okay yes she tried to ask him about taiwan joining the who and then he just

I can't hear you. He was like, silence. He's like, sorry, I didn't get your last question. She's like, I can repeat the question. He's like, no, let's just move on. And then she tried to ask him again and he hung up. Yeah. And then she tried to call back and then he was just like, yeah, sorry, you know, bad connection, blah, blah, blah. And then she tried to ask him again.

something else about... Oh, she tried to ask him how Taiwan has done in its COVID response, which was excellently. And then he was saying, oh, well, you know, we already talked about China. He wouldn't even say the word Taiwan. He just kind of pretended like Taiwan was part of China and she was asking him about a part of China. And he's like, we've already talked about China's response, which was indeed excellent. And now I have to go. I mean, this is...

I know this gets controversial, but I'm not entirely broken up about Trump withdrawing the U.S. from the WHO again. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's an argument for both sides, right? Where like,

The when we had I cannot remember her name the deputy assistant to the Mary Kissel. Yes. Yes point for me. Thank you Matt One of the things I have lost since kovat is the ability to remember people's names Yeah, like I can picture who I'm talking about in my head I can like I say everything around the person but I can't remember their name I mean, what's that hasn't happened to me good for you Matt. That's a callback. I

That's a good technique in humor. I forgot that he had made fun of my name. Oh, that's why. Yeah, so I was just like, okay. I was kind of surprised by your actions because I was expecting you to riff off of that. Yeah, no, I had... Wow. Oh my God, I'm not doing well, guys. But... Our brains. You're witnessing in real time our brains. I was trying to make you say Shelby in your head. Oh, no, it didn't work because my brain apparently erased... Was it Shelby? So, Mary Kiss... Yes.

I thought it was Sherby. It was Sherby. It was Sherby. Because it rhymed with Furby. You forgot the fake name that you gave me. Of course I'm serious and don't call me Sherby.

We should have that on a t-shirt. Merch. Yeah. We're getting all the merch. Anyway, so... Mary Kissel said... Mary Kissel said something about, you know, she saw how corrupt the UN was, right? But then the question is, do you go in and try to fight it? Like, do you try to fight the CCP influence in the UN? Or do you...

Like withdraw withdraw and just like F it. And then, you know, then like the CCP essentially takes over the UN or takes over the WHO. So it's I don't know. I don't know what's better. I mean, my take is they've already taken it over on the US dime. That's true. That's the that's the I think that's also what Mary Kissel said is like the US is funding a lot of this stuff. So you could use that leverage. Yeah. Like you could use the leverage of, well, we're leaving the WHO, but

unless you reform. But that's apparently not what we're doing. All right, quick side note. I know we interviewed Mary Kissel, but was it Kelly Currie we're talking about who was the UN ambassador for, or assistant US ambassador to the United Nations? Yes, because Mary Kissel was...

The assistant to the Secretary of State. Point away from Chris. Back to Matt. Yes. Oh, my gosh. Yes, Mary Kissel was the assistant to, like, she worked with Mike Pompeo in state. You are right. It is Kelly Curry. Very good, Matt. So, at any rate. Oh, my God. No, this is a chance for you to gloat. You've earned this. Enjoy your stupid poison coffee mug.

I'm so glad this podcast is not going on the website. It is only going on the website. It is not going on YouTube. Because we need to look like we are serious China experts. Do we? We are serious China experts. I'm not a serious China expert. Yeah, we've always done the show with a little nod and a wink. That's why people like it. You like us, right? Yeah. The difference is that I...

Since I was a teenager, I always wanted to be a serious journalist. And I was for many years. And then somehow I got involved in this and maybe I'm less serious now. In high school, all I wanted to do was be able to do a kamehameha. You don't know what I'm talking about. No, I feel like I've definitely seen that word, but I don't know what it is. I'm surrounded by...

Plebs? Just people with a different worldview. Anyway. No, no, no. Now I have to look this up. Shelly, I can't. Shelly's looking this up. I know you know what I'm talking about. Yes, I'm talking about Kamehameha, the King of Hawaii. I'm like, it can't be this. Yes. What is it? The King of Hawaii who recognized... This is from Dragon Ball. No, no. I'm talking about the King of Hawaii who recognized...

You don't know who the King of Hawaii was. No, no. The first emperor of the United States and protector of America. Oh, the guy we did. We did a history on Earth. Emperor Norton. Emperor Norton. Yeah. He recognized Emperor Norton as the legitimate leader of the United States.

And then the president of the US... And then somehow still America took Hawaii. Yeah, after that. So what is this other thing that I've never heard of? Something about dragon scrotum? I don't know. This is what you wanted to have when you were in high school? It is Goku's signature technique in Dragon Ball. I have no idea what you're talking about. This fondness of Polypenesian politics. That was me in high school. Confession.

You're just a Hawaii nerd. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Man, when Moana came out, good day. Matt's very confused right now. You're welcome.

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