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When the US FAILED to Handle China

2025/4/11
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我鼓励特朗普总统开始执行法律,对TikTok采取更强硬措施。我认为参议院和众议院将继续采取更强有力的行动。但是,如果没有与杜鲁门政府和里根政府类似的国家战略,我们就无法在与中国的对抗中取得进展。 二战后,美国迅速裁军,忽视了苏联的扩张,为冷战埋下了伏笔。美国迅速从欧洲和远东撤军,为苏联的扩张提供了机会。美国对苏联的行动缺乏关注,导致苏联在欧洲扩张势力。如果没有肯南的遏制战略,西欧可能在冷战期间沦陷。肯南的遏制战略对赢得冷战至关重要,但他提出的“有组织的政治战争”也同样重要。肯南的报告揭示了苏联如何通过政治战争在西欧取得进展,并为杜鲁门政府制定应对策略提供了指导。杜鲁门政府在肯南的报告影响下,开始采取行动对抗苏联的政治战争。 美国在越南战争中的失败以及蒋介石的失败都与政治战争有关。里根政府通过国家安全决策指令加强了对苏联的政治战争,最终导致苏联解体。 目前,美国正处于与中国的政治战争中,形势严峻。美国在对抗中国政治战争方面面临诸多挑战,包括出版业受到压制。许多批评中国的书籍和文章被压制,这反映了中国在媒体战中的影响力。中国利用媒体战压制批评声音,这包括封杀文章和书籍。 美国国会正在关注对华政策,并对政府机构的应对能力进行评估。美国政府机构,包括CIA、国家安全委员会和国防部,在应对中国问题上表现不佳。美国国务院对政治战争缺乏了解,这反映了美国政府在应对中国挑战方面的不足。在特朗普政府时期,美国对华政策有所加强,但时间有限。未来,美国可能会采取更系统的策略来对抗中国的政治战争,但我对此持谨慎乐观态度。

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The conversation started by discussing the US's insufficient response to China's political warfare, referencing historical examples like the Truman and Reagan administrations' strategies against the Soviet Union. The discussion highlights the lack of a comprehensive national strategy to counter China's actions.
  • Insufficient US response to China's political warfare
  • Comparison with Truman and Reagan administrations' strategies
  • Lack of a comprehensive national strategy

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We had a chance and I would encourage President Trump to start enforcing the law. The clock is ticking on TikTok. I think it's this Saturday that 75 days to start enforcing it is up. Yeah, we now, I think, have a Senate and a House of Representatives that will actually continue to take stronger actions. But in lieu...

of a national strategy equivalent to what George Kennan and the U.S. State Department put forth around 1948 for the Truman administration, and then what President Reagan put on steroids in the early 1980s, 1982 and 83 with the National Security Decision Directives, putting

our political warfare on steroids, which caused the Soviet Union to begin collapsing by 1989. And then by 1991, it's done. It's in the dustbin of history. Until we have that strategy, the policy that says we're going to fight on a systematic basis across the board against CCP political warfare, until we have the strategy to actually begin doing that,

We're not going to make much progress on TikTok. We're not going to make much progress across that combined arms, multi-domain battlefield that I described earlier. Could you explain what the Truman administration did, what Ronald Reagan did? Sure, sure.

So what happens is at the end of World War II, here's a term that you're all familiar with. We had the peace dividend. We had everybody, all the troops who wanted to come home. It had been four long years of war and we were successful, but it's,

We basically quickly demobilized our forces. We pulled rapidly out of Europe. Okay, we pulled rapidly out of the Far East and

So what's happening there, because everyone is triumphant, we've won, let's get back to life, let's get the economy roaring again. We're not paying attention to what the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is doing in a lot of cases in Greece, in Italy, all the countries in Eastern Europe that they were allowed to occupy as we destroyed Nazi Germany and marched on Berlin.

They went well beyond where the areas that they were allowed to occupy. They set up communist parties, they set up united front organizations throughout Western Europe and a large part of what we remember as being free Western Europe during the Cold War would have fallen.

If it hadn't been the keen minds of people like George Kennan, especially George Kennan, he gets the credit for those who study history, and there's not that many in American school systems anymore who do. But George Kennan, as you know, gets the credit for coming up with the containment strategy that ultimately won the Cold War. Well, what most people don't know is that Kennan also came up with a very important

then highly classified document called the Inauguration of Organized Political Warfare, in which he educated the Truman administration. This is how we're getting our butts handed to us in Western Europe. And this is what's happening in Asia as well. Then it was the primary focus of effort. The Schwerpunkt was Western Europe.

And as a result of that, the Truman administration starts turning around to help that Winston Churchill was it was educating America about the Iron Curtain that that Truman didn't like much at first, but eventually comes around with Kenan's memo. Okay, so

On a bipartisan basis, America starts fighting back. Things atrophy over time. Bureaucracies become stagnant. We didn't do so well in the Vietnam War. It's a result of political warfare. That didn't turn out well.

Arguably, Chiang Kai-shek lost the Chinese Civil War because of very effective political warfare against him and against the United States. So, okay, so we're moving forward, though, and Reagan becomes president on January 20th, 1981, and he and his people know

We aren't as effective as we need to be. So he comes up with National Security Decision Directive 75 or 32, 54 and 75 for those who want to go to the Reagan Library and look them up. They're good. They set the tone. They set a very firm direction for the interagency. That's a whole of government approach to fight this war and to bring in whole of society.

Aspirational, of course, you're never gonna get a hold of society or even all the government But you got to say we're gonna try that but Reagan does a pretty good job and in five, you know by 1989 Berlin Walls crumbling and by 1991 the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is only found in history books I mean at the beginning you you use the example of you know 1941 which was pretty bleak

We're deep into a political warfare with China that we're not even fighting but I mean it seems encouraging that Even though nothing has been done things can turn around pretty quickly. I don't think we're I mean, would you say we're at a level of 1941? We are in a were in a fairly bad situation we are not winning and

But if you go back to when the four of us first met, when my book and there's some other books and then it's you three leading the charge heroically. And I'm not sucking up to you for you to get me a free cup of Starbucks. I already got my Starbucks here. I don't need you guys to buy me off. I would not reward you with Starbucks. No, but it's, you know, caffeine. I'm cheap. I'm easy. Just give me caffeine. Buy bubble tea, maybe.

So anyway, you go back to when we first met. There's not many books. There's some documents. There's some brave people who are actually getting published. But a lot of people who are brave and are trying to get published, like I was able to do by going to a publisher that is guarded by tanks, machine guns, and close air support. I went to Marine Corps University Press to get published. A lot of other people that I knew who were trying to fight the battle by publishing and educating about it, they were getting spiked.

Because the publishers, we have an office in Beijing, you know, or we have a corporate entity in Shanghai, and they will shut us down in China if we publish your book. You know, you understand the media warfare that is waged against us relentlessly. It's not just propaganda and news media from communist China and news media they've co-opted.

Part of media warfare is spiking articles. It's spiking critics of China and it's destroying people who try to publish books like I was able to publish. So

If you look at what's being discussed in Congress on the floor of Congress now, and you look at the House committees on a deal with China, the House Oversight Committee report is a massive victory in terms of educating for those who've studied. It's a 300 page report, weighs as much as some people I know. And it's really good because it's very detailed. It

looks at 25 agencies and rips them apart. CIA fails, National Security Council fails, four red balls if you want to go into the details of the methodology of it.

Department of Defense doesn't come out looking too good either. And State Department sends, as one of their leaders of the team briefing the Congress of the United States, the head of the China House, childishly named China House under Blinken, goes before the committee to brief the committee in answer to a 17-page letter that the House sends him to say, come brief us on this. And his first question out of his mouth or the first comment is, what is political warfare? No kidding.

This is our State Department under Tony Blinken and Joe Biden and company. So while we have massive, egregious, willful ignorance in the case of some people, you have this. You have Congress. You have the agencies of the U.S. government now geared up.

I think, especially in light of what I've seen coming out of the Trump administration, dealing comments being made about Taiwan, which a lot of people were uncertain about up until very recently, where Trump 47 will stand on Taiwan. I think you're going to see a much more systematic effort

under Trump 47 than they were able to complete before their time got cut short on Trump 45. The Pottingers, the Pompeos, the Dave Stilwells. They tried, ran out of time. I think now we're going to engage intelligently, at least I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Thank you for watching this clip. There's a ton more great stuff we talked with Kerry Grishanek about, including the CCP's political warfare and how U.S. government agencies are compromised. That's all in our full hour-long podcast. It's available only for subscribers on our website, ChinaUncensored.tv. So check it out, learn more, and you'll be supporting what we do at the same time. The link is below.