It's interesting because there's also this huge domestic push inside China right now to go to Xinjiang for tourism. What do you think is behind the sudden push for like all these people to go there? To post...
I don't know exactly where the policy comes from, but all we see from the Uyghurs in East Turkestan are people just posting every little thing, just posting about the development there. And also there's a big push for the Chinese themselves to eventually migrate there because we know the percentage is around 90% of the Chinese live on the east coast.
eastern seaboard or eastern to central, and then in the western regions of Tibet and East Turkestan and southern Mongolia, there's less than 10%. So now there is this big push for the Chinese themselves to migrate and continue this occupation. They're being doubled or tripled the salary. They're being given homes. They're being offered Uyghur women. Now there is this huge push for
You can find these Douyin videos now of matchmaking companies saying that they will find Han Chinese men Uyghur brides. And it's very much become a norm and that the government will offer sums of money into the hundreds of thousands of RMB if you marry an Uyghur woman now. So it's just crazy the amount of money.
assimilation, uh, the assimilation policies that are going on right now. That's very convenient that all those Uyghur men are not, uh, around anymore for some reason. I think they've, they're in a, they're learning job skills elsewhere. Uh, is, uh, wow. Um,
You're being overwhelmed, Shelley. Yeah, no, I remember a number of years ago when we talked to, maybe it was Nuri Turkle, actually. This would have been 2019 or 2020, and we were talking about the issue of
like perhaps like Uyghur women being you know like pushed to to like Han men and but like that was at the very beginning of it I think so like hearing you talk about how it's just like normalized that there are all these like dating apps and things like that to do this particular thing is just yeah I remember even earlier on there were there were cases where like if if
you know, the father was sent off to a camp, there would be a, you know, a Han Chinese minder who would come to the family, live with them, often sleep in the same bed as... Those were like civil servants whose job was to, you know, go check up on the Uyghurs and make sure everything's okay. Yeah, you know, a lot of people in the West talk about how...
effective and efficient authoritarian governments are. And this is one of the ways, because what we're seeing is something that you could not have
a liberal democracy which is you have a this very long-term plan like they ever like the idea of like breeding out All of the Uyghurs and to have them start with you know mixed families and then the father is a Han Chinese and they're basically like this is a this is an intergenerational plan, so it's a 20 year 40 year 50 year plan to
to destroy the essence of the culture in Xinjiang. And like, I'm just kind of amazed by the amount of foresight that goes into these like evil schemes. Well, I don't know. I mean, it kind of is like, it's what they've done with Tibet, right? Yeah, they didn't really start the Tibetan program until...
I think it wasn't really until the 80s or 90s. It wasn't right away. I don't actually know of any Tibetan women being encouraged to marriage to Han Chinese. No, but they did start moving in Han Chinese. They've moved in so many Han Chinese. And I was actually going to ask you this, Arsalan, if you know how many Han Chinese have moved into the region.
I don't know the exact sum, but the move is huge because we are seeing a lot when the Chinese do move there. It's just like the TikTok or the Douyin videos that you see the Chinese make on how to get to the U.S.-Mexican border.
you now see a lot of Han Chinese showing off the farmland that they've now been given by the government or showing off how huge their homes are.
I've been to Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou. In these major huge cities, their homes are really, really small and really, really expensive. But out in East Turkestan, you get land and you get these homes which are two, three times the size that they would normally get in inner China. And they're literally calling them and talking about the benefits that they are receiving. We are also...
With the marriages, we're now seeing Uyghur women now as well talking about how great it is to have a Chinese husband and eating. Now, I don't care who you marry, what you eat, what you do. But now, you know, but the Muslims are predominantly a Muslim society. Now they're saying, oh, what's wrong with eating pork?
Or what's wrong with eating this? Or what's wrong with wearing this instead of that? It's openly, they're not just being married now. These women themselves are being propaganda machines to promote this Han Chinese intermarriage lifestyle as well. Are they very attractive young women? Yeah.
And that's how they sell it in these matchmaking apps and these matchmaking companies. That's how they sell it online.
you know, marry this Xinjiang girl, like this Uyghur woman, and she does all these services for you, and you'll be supported by the government. This is a policy, you know, we are one ethnic Chinese, you know, people, and, you know, we're part of a pomegranate, and we need to support this and play your part, and it's really, really sick. Well, I wonder if part of this is...
China like the the the international pushback about Xinjiang, especially the US government legislations about Xinjiang cotton like if this really has Affected the CCP and so now they feel like it is necessary to push back hard on this narrative That's right We as activists and human rights organizations. We need to find a win where we can and so we say
because we are showing the truth about China and how evil it is, they've now had to push back and spent millions, perhaps even billions of dollars on these propaganda tools. And so at least we are affecting China's policies or the way that China messages these things one way or another.
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