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China’s Strategy in Global Power Transitions: Challenges in a Turbulent World — A panel discussion

2025/2/24
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@Una Aleksandra Bērziņa-Čerenkova : 特朗普政府对俄政策的转变给波罗的海国家带来了严重的风险,这些风险不仅限于来自俄罗斯的潜在军事侵略,还包括对更广泛的欧洲联盟稳定性的影响。我们对俄罗斯的意图一直非常警惕,这就是为什么我们依赖集体防御,并且在历史上一直非常重视跨大西洋关系。然而,美国新政府正在动摇这种信心,这增加了俄罗斯军事入侵的风险。此外,中国与俄罗斯对北约的共同不满,以及中国在信息领域支持俄罗斯的叙事,也构成了对波罗的海国家安全稳定的威胁。 我们看到中国和俄罗斯对北约怀有共同的不满,并且中国支持将乌克兰危机归咎于北约扩张而非俄罗斯的侵略行为。这以及中国官员对乌克兰主权的质疑,以及通过支持极右翼势力来分裂欧洲的策略,都表明中国正在积极地帮助俄罗斯,从而对波罗的海国家构成威胁。 @Dmytro Yefremov : 中俄关系本质上是权宜之计,并非真正的友谊。美国与俄罗斯关系的任何正常化都将被中国视为对其构成重大威胁,因为这将使美国能够将战略重点完全转移到对抗中国。中国最担心的可能是,在这种情况下,俄罗斯可能会采取中立立场,甚至默许美国的遏制中国的努力。 鉴于中国在与美国的竞争中面临经济依赖、技术限制和军事不确定性等弱点,美俄和解对北京构成重大威胁。然而,乌克兰总统泽连斯基对中国外交部长王毅与乌克兰官员在慕尼黑安全会议上的会晤印象深刻,他认为中国似乎对促使俄罗斯结束战争感兴趣。这可能与美俄关系改善的可能性以及中国试图利用美乌之间战略重点差异的愿望有关。中国希望在俄乌冲突的任何未来谈判中保持相关性,并通过将自己定位为潜在调解人或独立声音来改善与欧洲国家的关系。 @Liu Qiang : 俄乌战争对中国能源安全的影响有限,因为中国可以从世界各地进口石油和天然气。虽然中国从俄罗斯进口石油和天然气,但这并非关键问题。中国在2024年的石油和天然气需求增长率下降,这与能源转型和经济增长放缓有关,而非能源安全问题。 中国希望避免与任何国家发生冲突,并与所有国家保持友好关系。虽然中国可能希望帮助结束战争,但这对中国外交来说是一个两难问题。中国公司对参与乌克兰的战后重建很感兴趣,但他们将面临来自世界各地公司的激烈竞争。 @Klaus Larres : 将当前的地缘政治局势与慕尼黑协定进行比较是不恰当的,因为决策者的素质和思维方式存在巨大差异。然而,绥靖政策通常并非明智之举。尽管中俄联盟是基于权宜之计,但双方合作依然紧密。尽管中国希望改善与欧洲的关系,但它并没有放弃与俄罗斯的关系。 特朗普政府试图改善与俄罗斯的关系以对抗中国,这与尼克松政府的做法类似,但缺乏战略思维和周密的计划。欧洲与中国的更紧密关系将是由于美国与欧洲关系的恶化以及欧洲对中国产品的需求。然而,这不会导致像北约那样的真正联盟。在乌克兰重建方面,尽管中国可能在某些领域发挥作用,但由于其对俄罗斯的支持以及美国和欧洲国家在资金和能力方面的优势,它不太可能扮演主要角色。

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This week on Sinica: February 24 marks the third anniversary of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, and as I’ve done for the last two years, I moderated a panel organized by Vita Golod, a Ukrainian China scholar who happens to be here in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, at UNC as a visiting scholar. She’s worked tirelessly to promote awareness of the war, and I’m honored again to have been asked to moderate this panel.

The guests you'll hear from are:

Dr. Una Aleksandra Bērziņa-Čerenkova, Director of the China Studies Centre at Riga Stradins University in Latvia. Fluent in Chinese, Russian, and English, she has collaborated with scholars like Kerry Brown of King’s College London and has done extensive work on China's role in Europe and beyond.

Dr. Dmytro Yefremov, Associate Professor in the Department of International Relations at the National University "Kyiv-Mohyla Academy" in Ukraine. A board member of the Ukrainian Association of Sinologists, he specializes in China's foreign relations and has traveled extensively to China, providing firsthand insight into Ukraine's perspective on China's role in the war and beyond.

Dr. Qiang Liu, Director of the Energy Economics Division at the Institute of Quantitative & Technical Economics within the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS). He also serves as the Co-chair and Secretary-General of the Global Forum on Energy Security. His research focuses on energy security, energy economics, and policy, with a particular emphasis on China's Belt and Road Initiative and its global energy partnerships.

Dr. Klaus Larres, Richard M. Krasno Distinguished Professor of History and International Affairs at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. An expert on transatlantic relations, U.S., German, and EU foreign policy, and China's role in the post-Cold War order, he has a profound interest in the history of the Cold War and the politics of Winston Churchill.

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