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100 days of DOGE

2025/4/29
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Bobby Kogan
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Brendan Duke
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David Brancaccio
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Elon Musk
以长期主义为指导,推动太空探索、电动汽车和可再生能源革命的企业家和创新者。
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Howard Lutnick
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Jessica Riedel
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Nancy Marshall-Genzer
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Elon Musk: 我认为我们可以至少削减2万亿美元的联邦政府开支,这体现了我对政府效率改革的信心和雄心。 我的目标是通过精简政府机构,减少冗余开支,以及打击欺诈和滥用行为来实现这一目标。我相信,通过有效的管理和改革,我们可以显著减少政府的财政负担,并释放更多的资源用于优先事项。 Jessica Riedel: 特朗普政府的政府效率部门(DOGE),其节约目标从最初承诺的2万亿美元,一路下调至1万亿美元,最终仅实现1500亿美元的节约目标,这与最初的预期相差甚远。 更令人担忧的是,经过仔细核实,实际的节约额仅为50亿美元左右,这仅仅占联邦总支出的千分之一都不到。这表明,DOGE的成本削减努力并未取得预期的成效,其方法和策略存在严重缺陷。 虽然DOGE声称在寻找浪费、欺诈和滥用行为,但其成果并不显著,这凸显了政府改革的复杂性和挑战性。 Rebecca Shea: 我们的研究表明,联邦政府每年因直接经济欺诈造成的损失高达2330亿美元至5210亿美元之间。 这一数据是基于对以往欺诈模式的分析得出的,但实际的损失可能更高,因为许多欺诈行为并未被发现。这表明,打击政府欺诈是实现财政节约的关键,但同时也需要投入更多资源和专业知识。 Bobby Kogan: 查处政府欺诈需要投入大量资金和专业技术人员,这与特朗普政府立即削减预算的做法背道而驰。 在特朗普政府执政的前100天里,DOGE主要专注于裁减联邦雇员,减少健康研究资金,取消联邦合同以及缩减政府机构规模,这些措施都属于主观判断的“浪费”和“滥用”范畴。 这种做法不仅未能有效控制政府支出,反而可能导致更高的长期成本,例如失业救济金和社会福利支出增加。 Brendan Duke: 特朗普政府的成本削减努力效果不佳,因为它主要避免了针对最大的支出类别,例如社保和医疗保险。 社保和医疗保险占据了联邦预算的很大一部分,而DOGE主要针对的是更容易削减的“可自由支配支出”,这部分支出仅占年度总支出的三分之一。 此外,解雇、重新雇用和休假员工等措施也带来了额外的成本,高达1350亿美元。这表明,DOGE的成本削减策略缺乏全面性和有效性。 David Brancaccio: 国会在未来几个月将寻求进一步削减预算,这可能涉及医疗补助和儿童健康保险计划等领域,这些领域在政治上更难以处理。 这表明,政府在削减成本的同时,需要权衡各种社会和政治因素,以避免对弱势群体造成负面影响。 Nancy Marshall-Genzer: 特朗普总统计划修改关税政策,以减轻汽车和卡车制造商的负担。 这项政策将允许美国汽车制造商免除钢铁和铝的关税,并可能获得已支付关税的退款。这旨在奖励在美国生产汽车的公司,并支持国内制造业的发展。 Howard Lutnick: 这项关税调整协议旨在奖励那些在美国生产汽车的公司,并为那些已承诺在美国投资或扩大国内制造业的公司提供发展空间。 我们希望通过这项政策,促进美国汽车行业的增长,创造更多就业机会,并增强美国的经济竞争力。

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Checking up on Doge 100 days in. I'm David Brancaccio in Los Angeles. On President Trump's 100th day back at the White House, we've been looking at the widespread economic effects. A checkup now on the independent agency cutting programs and jobs at the federal government. Not a department, but called the Department of Government Efficiency.

Doge is a reference to a kind of cryptocurrency started as a joke. Led by entrepreneur Elon Musk, Doge claims to have saved the country $150 billion. Now, that is far short of what Musk promised, and analysts dispute even that number. Marketplace's Nova Suffo has more. You may remember that moment during last year's election when Elon Musk was asked how much spending he thought he could cut from the federal government. Well, I think we can do at least $2 trillion. Yeah! Yeah!

Trump's Department of Government Efficiency went from promising $2 trillion in savings to $1 trillion to $150 billion. Jessica Riedel is a senior fellow focused on budget, tax, and economic policy at the Manhattan Institute, a conservative-leaning think tank. And they really only verified about $5 billion in savings or less than one-tenth of 1% of federal spending. Clearly,

Clearly, this is not successful by any means. There are savings to be found. Doge has been looking for waste, fraud and abuse. Experts say a good place to look is fraud. That's because we have actual figures, an estimate at least, of how much money the federal government loses to fraud. Rebecca Shea came up with that estimate. She's with the Government Accountability Office, the federal government's auditor.

The government loses between $233 billion to $521 billion annually in direct financial fraud loss. Shea based her findings on patterns of previous fraud.

The actual numbers are unknown because a lot of fraud goes undetected. So we don't have that information to tell us exactly where there's higher rates of fraud. Ferreting that out requires initially spending more money, not immediately slashing budgets, says Bobby Kogan. He is with the left-leaning think tank American Progress.

And he was a budget advisor in the Biden White House. It takes technical experts and it costs money to go after that fraud. And so what we've seen from the Trump administration has actually been the opposite. In the first 100 days of Trump's presidency, Doge has focused on waste and abuse, subjective terms. It's laid off federal employees, reduced health research funding, canceled numerous federal contracts and shrunk agencies.

And yet, all those cuts are not really making a dent in the federal government's spending, says Brendan Duke with the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities. When we look at how much the federal government has spent this year, we see that it has spent more during this calendar year than it did over the comparable period last year or the year before. Spent more, not less.

In fact, the Nonprofit Partnership for Public Service says the firings, rehirings, employees put on leave all have a cost as much as $135 billion.

The bottom line, says Brendan Duke, is that the Trump administration's cost-cutting effort has been underwhelming at best because it has so far largely avoided targeting the biggest spending categories. One out of every $5 spent, it goes to Social Security. One out of every $4 spent goes to health insurance. So just off the bat,

That's about almost half of the federal budget. The easier-to-cut portion, so-called discretionary spending, accounts for just a third of total annual expenditures. In the coming weeks and months, Congress will be looking for more cuts as part of its budget-setting process. Those cuts could potentially come from Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program, areas that are likely to prove more politically difficult to target.

I'm Nova Soffo for Marketplace. They've got LEOs. Why can't we have LEOs?

It stands for Communications Satellites in Low Earth Orbit. Amazon, led by Jeff Bezos, has just launched the first set of a planned big fleet of LEOs. These rival the setup put up there by Elon Musk's company. The ones you can often see with the naked eye is a long choo-choo train in the night sky. Amazon wants to compete in the burgeoning field of Internet and phone service from space. Project Kuiper, K-U-I-P-E-R, after Gerard Kuiper, the late great planetary scientist.

President Trump travels to Michigan today where he's set to modify tariffs in a way that will be welcomed by car and truck companies. Marketplace's Nancy Marshall-Genzer reports.

The president will apparently give automakers a break on some tariffs to keep them from piling on top of others they're paying for things like raw materials. This was first reported by the Wall Street Journal. The journal says U.S. car manufacturers won't have to pay tariffs on steel and aluminum, and they could be reimbursed for duties they've already paid. A new tariff on imported auto parts is set to take effect this Saturday, but domestic automakers will apparently be reimbursed for parts

Part of that, the reimbursement will be based on the value of the car they're producing and will be phased out after two years. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick is quoted as saying the deal is meant to reward companies making vehicles in the U.S. and give a runway to those that have committed to investing in the U.S. or expanding domestic manufacturing.

I'm Nancy Marshall-Genzer for Marketplace. Our producers are Ariana Rosas, Alex Schroeder, Jarrett Dang, and Erica Soderstrom. Our senior producer is Meredith Gerritsen-Morby. In Los Angeles, I'm David Brancaccio. You're listening to the Marketplace Morning Report from APM American Public Media. If there's one thing we know about social media, it's that misinformation is everywhere, especially when it comes to personal finance.

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