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For high-end consumers, revenge travel never really stopped

2025/5/9
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Leanna Byrne: 我观察到美英贸易协议中,对英国制造的汽车以及钢铁和铝材的关税有所降低。此外,协议还允许一定数量的牛肉免税进入对方市场。然而,协议细节模糊,并非完全自由贸易协议,其时间安排、配额执行和监管障碍等方面仍不明确。这可能成为美国与其他国家谈判的模板,但与中国的谈判则面临更大的挑战,例如技术、补贴和知识产权盗窃等问题。 Farrah Fasenden: 尽管经济不确定性导致客户预订时间延长,但高端旅游市场依然强劲。我的高端客户仍然在预订旅行,通常选择每晚价格超过四位数的住宿,并且不会选择经济舱飞行。这反映了航空公司和酒店首席执行官最近在业绩电话会议上所说的情况:对于高端消费者来说,疫情后的报复性旅游从未真正停止。 Mike Bellisario: 经济不确定性导致企业和政府旅游减少。一些公司对企业旅游持观望态度,可能不会立即预订大型团队活动。政府旅游支出减少,对酒店业的影响因地区而异。 Jan Freitag: 一些航空公司报告国际旅客数量下降,例如,联合航空公司报告来自加拿大和欧洲的旅客需求分别下降了9%和6%。这些数字目前尚可控,但情况可能恶化。 David Katz: 只要就业形势稳定,人们就会继续旅行,只是旅行方式可能改变。对于那些不乘坐头等舱前往迪拜的人来说,今年的假期可能会选择公路旅行来代替空中旅行。

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The first of many, President Trump says. My Marketplace BBC colleague Leanna Byrne joins us from the UK. Leanna, I see with your Minis, Range Rovers, your Jags and Rolls Royces, tariffs went up to 25% last month under this deal, down to 10%. Yes, for up to 100,000 UK-made cars a year. And then tariffs on steel and aluminium, they're also being slashed after earlier hikes.

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quite a bit of mystery here. Lots we don't know. Yeah, you're right. Quite a bit. I mean, there's no signed agreement yet. And the details from both sides, they were quite vague. We don't have clarity on timing. We don't have clarity on quotas enforcement or what regulatory hurdles might still apply. So while it's a de-escalation of sorts, it's definitely not a full free trade deal like the one the UK hoped to strike post

post-Brexit. All right. So your little set of islands over there, but there are many other countries. Could this be a template for the U.S. as it tries to figure out the arrangements with other countries? Well, possibly. I think you can see that there is a pattern here that's transactional. So you drop tariffs and

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Economic uncertainty both here and abroad and foreigners leery of travel to the U.S. is hitting the travel industry hard. Stock in Expedia fell more than 9% yesterday after that company failed to meet profit expectations and said demand is down. And this week, hotel giant Marriott cut its sales expectations for the year after Hilton and Hyatt did the same, along with some airlines. Many are traveling less, as they say, but not everybody. And therein lies Daniel Ackerman's story.

Farrah Fasenden runs Videre Travel, a consultancy, according to its website, in the vanguard of luxury travel. Big things, you know, African safaris, all the big bucket list destinations. Amid the economic uncertainty right now, Fasenden says her well-to-do clients are taking longer to book trips. She says for her, It definitely makes a business owner nervous. But they are booking, often at accommodations with four-figure nightly rates. And they're certainly not flying coach. The

to fly to Dubai, it's really uncomfortable to do that unless you're in business class. And so people are willing to spend to not ruin their vacation and arrive feeling good. This mirrors what airline and hotel CEOs have been saying lately in results call after results call. For high-end consumers, post-COVID revenge travel never really stopped.

For everyone else, though? I think there's more booking hesitancy. Mike Bellisario is senior research analyst at Baird. He says some companies are in wait-and-see mode about corporate travel. They may not be booking that all-staff retreat to, say, a mountain ski lodge just yet. If you're a big group that's going to sign a $20 million piece of business later this year, you probably didn't sign it. And government travel has tanked as President Trump tries to cut federal spending.

That sector typically makes up 4% of room demand at Marriott hotels. So not huge, says Jan Freitag, a travel analyst at CoStar. But that varies widely by region, right? Obviously, Washington, D.C. is completely dependent. And Freitag says some airlines are reporting fewer international travelers coming to the U.S.,

United specifically said demand from Canada down 9%, from Europe down 6% for the year. So those are all, you know, sort of manageable numbers, but certainly something that could get worse. Still, despite the declining forecasts for travel this year, there's a rule of thumb that many in the industry live by, says David Katz, a lodging and leisure analyst at Jefferies.

Travelers will travel, provided that employment holds up, right? So if you have a job, you're going on vacation. It's just a question of where and how you get there. So for those not flying first class to Dubai, Kat says maybe that means a road trip will replace air travel altogether for this year's vacation. I'm Daniel Ackerman for Marketplace. And in Los Angeles, I'm David Brancaccio. It's the Marketplace Morning Report from APM American Public Media.

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