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The U.S. and Ukraine strike a minerals deal

2025/5/1
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Lisa Yasko: 我认为这项协议对乌克兰是有利的。我们没有放弃任何乌克兰的资产,也没有给予任何人对乌克兰矿产的独家开采权。这是一个公平的交易,美国将投资于乌克兰的重建基金,并且我们将共同分享矿产交易的收益。此外,这些收益将免除乌克兰和美国的税收。这对于乌克兰的经济复苏和重建至关重要,它能够为我们提供资金支持,帮助我们克服战争带来的经济损失,并促进国家的长期发展。 这项协议并非像之前讨论的那样,构成对美国的债务义务。这对于我们来说是一个非常重要的保障,确保了我们国家的主权和经济独立性。我们期待着与美国在矿产资源开发和经济合作方面建立更紧密的伙伴关系,共同促进双方的共同利益。 Brad Sherman: 我认为这项协议不太可能为美国纳税人带来多少好处。共产主义者在过去50多年里已经对乌克兰的矿产资源进行了勘探,资本主义者在过去35年里也做了同样的事情。因此,这项协议只适用于那些共产主义者和资本主义者都认为不值得开采的矿藏。鉴于乌克兰目前仍处于战争状态,这项协议的实际执行存在很大的不确定性。在战争环境下,矿产资源的勘探和开采将面临巨大的挑战,包括基础设施的破坏、安全风险以及资金的短缺。因此,这项协议能否真正实现其目标,还有待观察。 Gracelyn Baskerin: 即使这项协议能够顺利实施,乌克兰矿产资源的开发也并非易事。这需要经历多个阶段,包括矿产资源的勘探、项目开发以及基础设施建设等。由于战争,乌克兰的能源基础设施遭受了严重的破坏,这将对矿产资源的开采造成巨大的阻碍。此外,采矿业是一个极其耗能的行业,而乌克兰的电力供应目前仍然紧张。因此,在矿产资源能够真正开采出来之前,还有许多发展要素需要解决。通常情况下,一个新的矿山从开发到投产需要18年的时间,这是一个长期的努力。

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The US and Ukraine have finally struck a minerals deal. Live from the UK, this is the Marketplace Morning Report from the BBC World Service. I'm Leanna Byrne. Good morning.

The U.S. has signed a deal with Kyiv to share profits from the future sale of Ukraine's mineral and energy reserves after months of fraught negotiations. The agreement marks a shift from military aid towards an economic partnership, which aims to incentivize the U.S. to continue to invest in Ukraine's defense and reconstruction. Here's how Ukrainian lawmaker Lisa Yasko from the ruling servant of the People's Party responded.

So there are good parts in it, which includes that we are not giving up anything from Ukraine. We don't grant anyone exclusive rights to Ukrainian minerals. But that's a fair deal where the United States are actually investing in the reconstruction fund and they will have 50/50 access to the mineral deals.

There are more interesting parts in it, as for instance, these revenues will not be taxed in Ukraine or United States.

And what is important for us is that this deal is not actually a debt obligation to the United States, as it was discussed before. But not everyone in Washington is convinced. Democratic Congressman Brad Sherman says it's unlikely to deliver much for U.S. taxpayers. Let's look at it this way. For well over 50 years, the communists looked all over Ukraine and determined what minerals were worthy of exploiting.

Now, for the last 35 years, capitalists have done the same thing. So this deal only applies to deposits of minerals that neither the communists nor the capitalists thought were worth exploiting. And with the country still at war, how will any of this actually happen? Gracelyn Baskerin at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies says progress will take time.

not be easy to even to do the work. There's so many stages of development that we have first, right? We've got to do a mapping. We've got early stage project development. That all takes time. A lot of energy infrastructure has been damaged in the war. So half of the country's power stations have been damaged and mining is an incredibly energy intensive sector. So there's a lot of elements of development that have to happen here before it would yield at

actual minerals coming out of the ground. Just for context, generally globally, it's 18 years to develop a new mine into production. That's four and a half presidential administrations in the United States. It's a long-term effort. Gracelyn Basker in there. Now, let's do the numbers. ♪

The Bank of Japan held interest rates steady but cut its growth outlook sharply, citing uncertainty from US tariffs. Still, it says inflation should stay on track. The IMF has downgraded its forecast for the Middle East and North Africa, warning trade tensions will slow growth more than expected next year.

Now, Facebook's parent company Meta says its users could face a materially worse experience after a major regulatory blow from the European Commission. EU authorities fined Meta $230 million, saying its consent or pay model breached a new law. The BBC's Lily Jamali has more. The consent or pay model leaves users to choose between paying for a monthly subscription or consenting to being tracked using their data.

Last week, the European Commission ruled that this approach that was suggested by Meta violates the Digital Markets Act, which aims to promote competition by regulating the big tech gatekeepers, which includes Meta. Now, on Wednesday, Meta told investors and analysts that it expects that this decision by the European Commission

will likely prompt it to make changes that could make the user experience for European users worse and could also have a materially adverse impact on its own business. One analyst I've been speaking to today said he thinks that Meta is trying to turn the tide of public opinion so that they push back against the regulatory approach.

Lily Jamali there. Now, manufacturing in China is down. No great surprise, but it's fallen more sharply than economists predicted amid a trade war with the US. So how are businesses there faring? The BBC's Laura Bicker has been to the world's largest wholesale market in the Chinese city of Yiwu. This is the sound of Chinese traders trying to stay ahead of their local competition.

In the cavernous lobby of the world's largest shopping mall, even before the shutters are open, they are reciting key phrases they can use with their customers. Ten years ago, they mostly traded in English. These days, they need Spanish, Arabic and a little French.

We are in Yiwu Wholesale Market. This is the biggest wholesale market in the world and it has hundreds of stalls selling various toys. Oh, I'm just being showered by bubbles.

Things have changed here since Donald Trump was last in power. The US president's first trade war taught Yiwu a lesson. There are buyers elsewhere. As trader Hu Qianqiang explains. What do you think of Trump? Trump, he's a joke. We used to have buyers from the US. Now we don't care. We have rich buyers from elsewhere. Doing business with them is good.

The 75,000 stallholders in Yiwu are no longer as reliant on the US as they once were. Eight years ago, 20% of Chinese exports were sold to the US. That figure is now 14%. Instead, the halls are filled with buyers from the Middle East, Russia and South America. Oscar is from Colombia. China is a big country, a big people, a big food, a big...

Around 80% of all US toys come from China. And seller Lin Xu Peng believes this trade war will hurt Americans more than the Chinese.

I hear there are lots of protests in the US. Most of their products came from here. Do you think they need us? Of course they do. Talks between the two sides are still not underway, according to China's foreign ministry, despite Donald Trump's assertion that he has spoken to President Xi.

Zhou Bo, a retired senior colonel from the People's Liberation Army, says Beijing will not blink first. In China, we say we have to let the bullet fly for a moment. That means right now, in the fog of war, we do not know what would come next. And I believe this kind of tit-for-tat will just last for a while, maybe one or two months.

While the US president waits for his Chinese counterpart to pick up the phone, the city of Yiwu is looking for new customers even as darkness falls. And even though it's peak monsoon season, the rain is pelting down. Trade is in full flow. Everyone's haggling after the best price.

The belief here is that even though there will be short-term pain, in the long term, China, not America, will grow stronger. In China, I'm the BBC's Laura Bicker for Marketplace. And that's it from the Marketplace Morning Report from the BBC World Service. I'm Leanna Byrne. Have a great day and thanks so much for listening.

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