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Yet another reprieve for TikTok

2025/6/20
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David Brancaccio: TikTok再次获得延期,这表明其受欢迎程度有时超越了法律。特朗普政府第三次推迟了要求字节跳动出售TikTok的法律的实施。这一系列的延期反映了TikTok在美国复杂的处境,它既面临国家安全的担忧,又拥有庞大的用户群体和商业价值。作为主持人,我客观地陈述了事件的进展,并引出了后续的分析和讨论。 Kimberly Adams: 早在2019年,国家安全专家和国会议员就开始对中国拥有的TikTok掌握如此多的美国数据和影响力表示担忧。字节跳动一直在华盛顿积极游说,游说支出大幅增加。作为记者,我主要负责提供事实性的报道,包括事件的背景、各方观点以及数据支持。我力求客观公正地呈现事件的全貌,以便听众能够更好地理解TikTok在美国所面临的挑战。 Kenton Teba: 特朗普政府对TikTok的态度已经从国家安全转向了商业考量。TikTok不仅受用户欢迎,也是许多企业和个人赚钱的途径,用户对该应用非常忠诚。我认为,政府态度的转变反映了在国家安全和经济利益之间的权衡。TikTok的商业价值和用户基础使其成为一个重要的经济力量,政府在决策时不得不考虑这些因素。 Dylan Smith: 最初的禁令消息让市场有些恐慌,品牌在TikTok上的投资有所减少。经过几次延期后,人们的担忧已经平息,品牌对TikTok的投资恢复到高峰时期水平,现在大家只是观望最终的交易会是什么样。作为品牌管理公司的CEO,我亲身经历了市场对TikTok事件的反应。最初的恐慌导致投资减少,但随着延期的发生,市场信心逐渐恢复。现在,品牌都在等待最终的解决方案,以便更好地规划其在TikTok上的营销策略。 Hillary Brasseth: 字节跳动增加了游说支出,试图维持其独立运营的地位,并且他们的游说努力似乎正在奏效。作为追踪政治资金的机构负责人,我分析了字节跳动的游说行为,并指出其目的是为了维护自身利益。游说活动的增加表明了字节跳动对美国政府决策的重视,以及他们为保持运营所做的努力。

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This chapter discusses the multiple delays of the US ban on TikTok, the lobbying efforts of ByteDance, and the impact on brands and influencers. The Trump administration's shifting priorities and TikTok's popularity are key factors.
  • TikTok's US operations faced a bipartisan law requiring a sale to an American company or a ban.
  • The Trump administration delayed the law's implementation three times.
  • ByteDance increased its lobbying spending significantly.
  • Brands initially hesitated but later resumed investment in TikTok.
  • Experts believe TikTok's popularity and economic impact influenced the delays.

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Price guarantee applies to then current base monthly rate. Additional terms and conditions apply. TikTok has a new extension. I'm David Brancaccio in Los Angeles, starting with the irrepressible TikTok company that shows being popular outranks the law of the land sometimes. There's been another reprieve for the short video company regarding a bipartisan U.S. law that was supposed to take effect in January. It required TikTok's

China-based owner ByteDance to sell its U.S. operations to an American company or get banned from U.S. app stores and U.S. computer servers. But this week, the Trump administration delayed the law's implementation for a third time. Marketplace's Kimberly Adams reports.

This all started back in 2019 when national security experts and members of Congress started raising the alarm that Chinese-owned TikTok having so much data and influence on Americans was a major threat.

And the first Trump administration, back then, seemed to agree. But now, says Kenton Teba, senior resident China fellow at the Atlantic Council. It's kind of a shift in terms of the first administration where we saw much more of this kind of national security focus change.

and more on kind of like practical, commercial-based considerations. Because TikTok isn't just popular with a third of U.S. adults using the app, it's also the way a lot of businesses and people make money. It's much, much easier on TikTok to monetize your content. Influencers get paid a lot more. And so TikTok users have been kind of loyal to the app.

When President Biden signed the bipartisan law that was supposed to force the sale or banning of TikTok, it did spook the market a bit. There was a chapter there where brands just weren't willing to invest as much capital in their TikTok initiatives. Dylan Smith, the CEO of Teamchecked, a celebrity influencer and brand management firm.

But after the first extension and then the second extension, I think everyone's fear was calmed there. And we've seen just as much investment and onboarding of new brands as we did at its prime. Now, Smith says no one actually thinks TikTok is really going to get banned. So they're just waiting to see what a deal will look like.

In the meantime, TikTok's parent company, ByteDance, has been busy here in Washington, increasing the amount it spent on lobbying from $270,000 in 2019 to more than $10 million last year. And so far this year?

This first quarter is $3.36 million, and so this is a sharp increase. It's the biggest Q1 spend by ByteDance. Hillary Brasseth is executive director of Open Secrets, which tracks money in politics and compiled the data on ByteDance's lobbying efforts. This is a clear effort to try to engage officials at many levels of government to try to maintain the position they have, which is to be able to remain independent

owned by the same owners and also able to operate in the way that they've been operating. And so far, those efforts seem to be working. In Washington, I'm Kimberly Adams for Marketplace.

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More than 2 billion pairs of shoes, nearly 60% of them from China, got shipped into the U.S. last year. Could more shoes be made in the U.S. at a time of higher tariffs? Yes, but it's taking a lot of automation. Footwear maker Keen will open a new factory in Kentucky next month. The BBC's Michelle Fleury has this report.

In Portland, Oregon, Keen, famous for its sandals and hiking boots, is taking a different approach. Rising costs in China pushed it to start manufacturing in the US in 2010, a move that's now giving it a competitive edge amid Trump's tariffs, as I discovered when I spoke to the shoemaker's chief operating officer, Harry Perrimal. You're doing already what Donald Trump wants companies to do, which is manufacture here in the United States.

How does that compare with production, your experience of manufacturing in other countries? Footwear is a very labor-intensive product to make. It involves a lot of labor. But we are making products here in the USA very economically, very efficiently, and the way we do that is with tons of automation. Traditionally, 80 to 100 people are required in a traditional production line in Asia, and we do that across two ships with 24 people.

in the factory here in the US. Does it cost more to hire American workers versus, say, in some of your other factories and overseas? Absolutely. The labor rates here in the US are very expensive. It is approximately 10 to 12 times more expensive than you would compare to an Asian counterpart. This is a very labor-intensive industry. I'm not sure whether we're going to get American workers in large quantities willing to work for shoe company wages in America.

Keen is making a big move, closing its Portland factory and opening a larger one in Kentucky. One way it copes with that higher American labor cost is automation. There are different ways to get around that. One is a smart automation, clean manufacturing processes and thoughtful product design.

And then, you know, the proximity is so powerful. We are closer to our market and our fans. We can reach 80 percent of Americans within two days of ground shipping. And we reduce our carbon footprint and we create American jobs. Is there anything then you would like to see the Trump administration do that you think would help the shoe manufacturing industry come back to America more?

If we can get some help in terms of reducing tariffs for components that are important to make or materials that are important to make shoes here in America, that might help the broader industry. Keene won't raise prices this year, but others facing rising costs and potential job cuts may have no choice but to pass the pain on to consumers. Michelle Fleury is with our newsroom partners, the BBC.

And some new numbers on wealth and inequality from the Swiss bank UBS. More than 80% of people in the world have total wealth of $100,000 or less, as measured in U.S. dollars. China and Taiwan together have the highest percentage of people, 100K or above, 28%. Western Europe, 25%. The U.S. and Canada down at 21%. As for millionaires, the UBS study shows last year an average of 1,000 people a day crossed into six figures in the U.S. alone. ♪

I'm David Brancaccio. You're listening to the Marketplace Morning Report from APM American Public Media.

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