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From Technology in Focus to Finance with Tony Kim

2024/12/12
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Barry Ritholtz
知名投资策略师和媒体人物,现任里特尔茨财富管理公司董事长和首席投资官。
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Barry Ritholtz: 我认为Tony Kim是BlackRock的杰出科技投资者,他对科技领域的理解非常深刻,他的投资业绩和对科技生态系统的整体视角都非常引人注目。 Tony Kim: 我从小在中西部长大,80年代在伊利诺伊州,我的STEM背景让我走上了工程之路,后来才转向金融领域。在Rockwell Automation 的第一份工作是从事自动化制造项目,这让我了解了美国制造业的多样性。从工程背景转型到投资银行,是因为当时正值互联网兴起,我的技术专长与金融结合,被投资银行看重。我从投资银行转向投资领域,是因为投资银行的工作是为客户服务,而投资是将自己的资金置于风险之中,这需要不同的思维方式。在BlackRock,被动投资和主动投资是分开的,但我们也正在推出许多主动型ETF。我认为主动型投资的未来在于专注于细分市场和主题投资,因为在快速变化的行业中,专业知识和适应能力非常重要。科技行业在S&P 500中的占比会越来越高,因为它是增长最快、利润率最高、自由现金流增长最快的行业。 我通过将科技行业分解成多个子行业,绘制出整个科技领域的图谱,来识别未来增长的技术。在选择股票时,会关注行业中的头部公司,并寻找具有持续发展能力和差异化竞争优势的公司。目前科技股的估值总体来说是合理的,但个股之间存在差异,一些头部公司估值较高,而其他公司估值仍然较低。我们每年都会进行硅谷实地考察,与众多科技公司高管会面,这有助于我们了解行业趋势并改进投资策略。iShares AI Innovation and Technology Active ETF (BAI) 是一款集中投资于人工智能相关公司的ETF,旨在适应人工智能行业快速变化的特性。iShares Technology Opportunities Active ETF (TEK) 是一款投资于全球范围科技公司的ETF,涵盖范围更广。我通过阅读、参加会议和关注行业动态来跟上科技行业快速变化的步伐。我在进行长期投资的同时,也需要应对季度业绩的压力,这需要在长期视角和短期压力之间取得平衡。对想要从事科技投资的应届毕业生来说,最重要的素质是强大的思维能力和适应能力,因为人工智能将改变许多工作。如果我能预知科技行业的发展,我会直接进入硅谷的公司工作,而不是从事投资。

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What key industries did Tony Kim work on during his time at Rockwell Automation?

Tony Kim worked on automating manufacturing processes across various industries, including pharmaceuticals, automotive, and distribution networks. He focused on PLCs (Programmable Logic Controllers), drive systems, motor control, and robotics.

Why did Tony Kim transition from engineering to finance?

Tony Kim transitioned from engineering to finance because he wanted a more strategic role. While he initially considered consulting, he was drawn to investment banking due to the combination of his technical expertise and the emerging tech industry in the 1990s.

What was Tony Kim's experience like during the tech boom of the late 1990s?

During the late 1990s tech boom, Tony Kim worked on significant transactions in networking, telecom, and software. He was involved in deals during the optical communications boom and the rise of internet assets, including the Netscape IPO.

How does Tony Kim describe the difference between M&A and investing?

In M&A, the focus is on detailed, short-term projects for clients, requiring precision and accuracy. In investing, the analysis is broader, with persistence in studying sectors and companies over time, and the investor puts their own capital at risk.

What is Tony Kim's view on the future of active management in the ETF space?

Tony Kim believes the future of active management lies in specialized, thematic, and sector-based ETFs. He argues that generalists are at a disadvantage compared to those with deep domain knowledge, especially in rapidly changing industries like technology.

Why does Tony Kim believe the technology sector of the S&P 500 will continue to grow?

Tony Kim believes the technology sector will grow because tech companies represent the highest growth, highest profit margins, and generate the most free cash flow. He also sees AI as a major driver of future growth in the sector.

What is Tony Kim's approach to identifying future growth technologies?

Tony Kim uses a deconstructionist approach, breaking down sectors and industries into detailed maps. He identifies trends and hot spots within these maps, allowing him to systematically analyze and invest in emerging technologies.

What is the significance of Tony Kim's annual Silicon Valley bus tour?

Tony Kim's annual Silicon Valley bus tour involves meeting with senior management of 25-30 public and private tech companies. It provides strategic insights, strengthens relationships within BlackRock, and serves as a barometer for key industry topics, such as AI in recent years.

What is Tony Kim's investment strategy for technology companies?

Tony Kim follows a power law strategy, focusing on investing in the top one or two companies in each category. He believes in betting on companies with multiple acts (e.g., Microsoft with Windows and Azure) and staying adaptable in rapidly changing industries like AI.

What advice does Tony Kim give to recent college graduates interested in technology investing?

Tony Kim advises recent graduates to focus on being great thinkers rather than just finance experts. He emphasizes the importance of flexibility, reasoning, and planning holistically, as AI will handle many specific tasks in the future.

Chapters
Tony Kim discusses his career path from industrial engineering to investment banking and finally to his current role as a technology investor at BlackRock. He highlights the key differences between working on the transactional M&A side versus the investment side and emphasizes the importance of deep domain knowledge in tech investing.
  • Tony Kim's background in industrial engineering and MBA from Columbia.
  • Transition from engineering to investment banking in the mid-90s.
  • Shift from transactional M&A to the investment side.
  • Differences between M&A and investing: depth of analysis, time commitment, and risk management.

Shownotes Transcript

Barry Ritholtz speaks with Tony Kim, Managing Director and Head of the Fundamental Equities’ Global Technology Team at BlackRock. Prior to joining BlackRock in 2013, Tony held key roles at institutions like Artisan Partners, Neuberger Berman, and Merrill Lynch. He is also a member of the Advisory Board for Columbia Business School’s Digital Future Initiative. On this episode, Barry and Tony discuss the success of passive investing at BlackRock, the general tech investing landscape, and what it takes to build a career that combines a passion for technology with finance.

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