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Inflation, Tariffs, Spreads…Hike?

2024/12/13
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Mark Zandi:基于最新的通胀数据(CPI和PPI),以及经济增长和就业形势,对美联储未来的利率政策进行了分析。认为通胀虽然有所粘性,但仍在朝着目标水平下降,经济增长强劲。同时,考虑到金融市场状况宽松以及特朗普政府即将实施的经济政策(关税和移民遣返)的不确定性,对未来利率走势持谨慎态度。 Cris deRitis:对金融市场状况的分析与Mark Zandi基本一致,认为金融市场状况宽松,存在风险。对未来利率走势的判断与Mark Zandi基本一致,认为存在不确定性。 Matt Colyar:对通胀数据进行了详细解读,认为食品价格上涨是暂时的,住房和商品价格上涨是通胀粘性的主要原因。同时,对PPI数据进行了分析,认为服务业价格上涨放缓。对经济增长和就业形势的判断与Mark Zandi基本一致,认为经济增长强劲。对未来利率走势的判断与Mark Zandi基本一致,认为存在不确定性,并认为特朗普政府的经济政策将对通胀和经济增长产生影响。 Mark Zandi:对美联储的利率政策进行了分析,认为美联储需要考虑通胀、通胀预期、经济增长、就业、金融状况以及特朗普政府的经济政策等多种因素。认为基于当前的经济形势,维持利率不变是比较稳妥的选择,但未来存在不确定性。 Cris deRitis:对美联储的利率政策进行了分析,认为基于当前的经济形势,维持利率不变是比较稳妥的选择,但未来存在不确定性。 Matt Colyar:对美联储的利率政策进行了分析,认为基于当前的经济形势,维持利率不变是比较稳妥的选择,但未来存在不确定性。

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Why is inflation showing signs of stickiness?

Inflation is sticky due to persistent price increases in categories like shelter, medical care services, and goods such as vehicles. Shelter prices, which make up a significant portion of the CPI, are moderating but still elevated. Medical care services are also seeing gradual price increases, while goods prices, which had been declining, have started to rise again.

What role do food prices play in the current inflation trend?

Food prices, particularly eggs, have shown volatility, contributing to upward pressure on headline CPI. However, this impact is seen as temporary, as food prices are expected to stabilize after a period of mild increases.

Why have vehicle prices started to rise after a period of decline?

Vehicle prices have risen due to a combination of factors, including potential supply disruptions from natural disasters like hurricanes, which have reduced the availability of used cars. Additionally, the automotive market may be reaching a better balance between supply and demand after prolonged production constraints.

How does the Producer Price Index (PPI) reflect current economic conditions?

The PPI showed a 0.4% increase in November, slightly stronger than expected, driven by services PPI, which rose by 0.2%. This suggests that inflationary pressures are present in the production pipeline, particularly in services, which are more wage-driven and slower to adjust.

What are market expectations for the Fed's interest rate decision next week?

Market participants are highly confident (97%) that the Fed will cut rates by 25 basis points next week. However, expectations for further cuts in 2025 are less certain, with a wide dispersion of possibilities ranging from no cuts to potential rate hikes.

How does the current economic growth impact the Fed's monetary policy?

Economic growth, as indicated by a 3.9% annualized GDP estimate for Q4 2024, suggests a strong economy. This robust growth, combined with tight labor markets, argues for a pause in rate cuts, potentially even leaning towards a rate hike to prevent overheating.

What are the implications of financial conditions on monetary policy?

Financial conditions, characterized by frothy asset prices (e.g., stocks, crypto) and tight credit standards, suggest easing conditions that could fuel further economic growth. This easing, particularly in asset markets, argues for a pause or even a rate hike to curb potential inflationary pressures.

How might tariffs and immigration policies affect the economy in 2025?

Tariffs and immigration policies, particularly deportations, are expected to act as negative supply shocks, leading to higher inflation and diminished economic growth. These policies could push the Fed towards raising rates to manage inflationary pressures.

What is the significance of the high yield corporate bond spread being at 266 basis points?

The high yield corporate bond spread is currently at 266 basis points, the second-lowest in 30 years. This indicates very easy financial conditions, as investors are highly optimistic about corporate cash flows. Such a tight spread could signal a potential financial crisis if optimism wanes, similar to the lead-up to the 2008 financial crisis.

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The November CPI rose 0.3%, in line with expectations, with core CPI also up 0.3%. Food prices contributed to the increase, but the stickiness of inflation, particularly in shelter and core goods, is a concern. The discussion explores the reasons behind this stickiness and whether it's a temporary or more fundamental issue.
  • Headline CPI rose 0.3% in November, lifting the year-ago rate to 2.7%
  • Core CPI (excluding food and energy) rose 0.3%, remaining at 3.3% year-over-year
  • Stickiness in inflation is attributed to shelter prices and upward pressure from core goods and food prices
  • Vehicle prices, previously declining, have started to increase, contributing to the stickiness

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The Inside Economics team weighs this past week’s inflation data and considers what it means for the Fed’s interest rate decision next week and in 2025.  With sticky inflation, a strong(er) economy, easier financial conditions, and looming tariffs and immigrant deportations, more rate cuts next year appear increasingly less likely, and rate hikes even a possibility.

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Guest: Matt Colyar - Assistant Director, Moody's Analytics

Hosts: Mark Zandi – Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, Cris deRitis – Deputy Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, and Marisa DiNatale – Senior Director - Head of Global Forecasting, Moody’s Analytics

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