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Reimagining Cities with Rebecca Rockey and Chris Leinberger

2024/12/11
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Rebecca Rockey:本研究指出,城市面临的挑战更多是周期性的,而非结构性的。许多市场已经触底,正处于复苏早期阶段。虽然办公市场空置率仍在上升,但长期风险有所减弱。我们认为,城市需要根据经济发展变化调整自身结构,并对房地产组合进行优化。 Chris Leinberger:城市中心商业地产组合失衡,办公空间占比过高(约70%),而最佳比例应为42%。城市中心需要更多娱乐休闲设施(约26%),以平衡办公空间比例,提升城市活力。可步行城市区域(约占城市土地面积的3%)贡献了城市57%的GDP,是城市经济的引擎。 Chris deRitis:商业地产“厄运循环”源于供需失衡,疫情冲击加剧了这一问题,导致城市活力下降,税收减少,形成恶性循环。 Adam Kamins:人口迁移数据显示,年轻人正回流城市,这与城市生活方式和娱乐设施的吸引力有关。远程办公的兴起也改变了人们对城市空间的需求。 Marisa DiNatale:商业改进区(BID)在城市更新中扮演关键角色,可以促进办公空间的改造和娱乐设施的建设。政府应简化审批流程,减少对城市发展的阻碍。 Mark Zandi:本研究对城市经济衰退循环进行了深入分析,指出其对宏观经济的威胁有所减弱,但对城市中心,特别是市中心区域的影响依然显著。解决办公空间过剩问题需要政府提供税收优惠等激励政策,以及降低开发成本。

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What is the 'urban doom loop' and how has its perceived threat evolved?

The urban doom loop refers to a supply-demand imbalance in cities, particularly in the office market, caused by the pandemic. Initially seen as a major macroeconomic threat, it has since faded from public consciousness, though challenges remain. The study suggests it is more episodic than structural, with signs of recovery in some markets.

Why are downtowns particularly vulnerable to the urban doom loop?

Downtowns are vulnerable because they are over-officed, with 70% of their real estate dedicated to office use. This imbalance violates portfolio theory, making them less resilient to shifts in demand, such as remote work trends.

What is the optimal mix of work, live, and play in urban areas according to the study?

The optimal mix is 42% work, 32% live, and 26% play. Downtowns, which are currently 70% work, need to shift towards more live and play components to become more balanced and attractive.

How does the study suggest rebalancing downtowns with too much office space?

The study suggests converting underutilized office space into residential or other uses, incentivizing developers with tax breaks, and focusing on strategic redevelopment of highly vacant buildings. This could unlock up to 450,000 housing units nationally.

What role do walkable urban places play in city economies?

Walkable urban places, which make up just 3% of a city's landmass, contribute 57% of its GDP. They are critical to the economic and tax base of cities, but many downtowns are over-officed and need to diversify their uses.

How has migration within cities changed post-pandemic?

Post-pandemic, young adults (18-34) are returning to cities for amenities and lifestyle, while other age groups continue to migrate out. This shift supports the need for more 'play' components in urban areas to attract and retain residents.

What is the significance of the experience economy in urban areas?

The experience economy, which includes attractions like museums, sports, and restaurants, is crucial for urban vitality. Studies show that 70% of foot traffic in walkable urban places comes from visitors, highlighting the importance of 'play' in driving economic activity.

What challenges do cities face in converting office space to residential use?

Converting office space to residential use is costly and complex, requiring structural changes and compliance with fire codes. However, with the right incentives and strategic focus on highly vacant buildings, significant progress can be made.

How does the study propose managing urban real estate portfolios?

The study advocates for managing urban real estate as an integrated portfolio, breaking silos between property types. This approach optimizes both real estate valuations and GDP, ensuring a balanced mix of work, live, and play in urban areas.

What is the role of business improvement districts (BIDs) in urban revitalization?

BIDs, funded by property owners, play a crucial role in managing and revitalizing urban areas. They focus on safety, cleanliness, and economic development, such as converting office buildings to residential use and creating vibrant public spaces.

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Mark, Cris, and Marisa are joined by their colleague Adam Kamins and his infamous closet doors, along with Rebecca Rockey, Deputy Chief Economist at Cushman Wakefield, and Chris Leinberger, Managing Director at Places Platform. Rebecca and Chris review key takeaways from their recent study, Reimagining Cities-Disrupting the Urban Doom Loop). Among the variety of topics covered are the importance of Walkable Urban places; the optimal mix of work, live, and play in cities; how to ensure that the commercial real estate mix aligns with the post-pandemic evolution of downtowns; and Mark’s prowess in pickleball and the possibly made-up sport of wallyball.

Guest: Rebecca Rockey, Deputy Chief Economist and Global Head of Forecasting, Cushman & Wakefield

Guest: Chris Leinberger, Managing Director and Co-Founding Partner, Places Platform

Guest: Adam Kamins, Senior Director of Economic Research, Moody's Analytics

Hosts: Mark Zandi – Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, Cris deRitis – Deputy Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, and Marisa DiNatale – Senior Director - Head of Global Forecasting, Moody’s Analytics

Follow Mark Zandi on 'X' @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis on LinkedIn, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn