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Stagflation(ish)

2025/6/13
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Mark Zandi: 我认为滞胀是一个值得关注的问题,特别是考虑到关税、移民政策以及最近以色列轰炸伊朗核设施等地缘政治事件。这些因素共同作用,可能导致通货膨胀上升和经济增长放缓。虽然目前的数据尚未完全反映这些影响,但我相信它们将在未来几个月内逐渐显现。我特别担心通货膨胀预期,因为一旦形成,就很难打破,可能需要像上世纪70年代末那样采取严厉的货币政策才能控制住局面。 Cris deRitis: 我认为滞胀的核心在于经济停滞、高失业率和高通货膨胀的结合。虽然目前的数据尚未显示出明显的滞胀迹象,但考虑到当前的政策环境,我们不能掉以轻心。关税可能导致物价上涨,而限制移民可能导致劳动力供应减少,从而推高工资。这些因素都可能导致经济增长放缓,甚至出现衰退。我认为最令人担忧的是滞胀的退出,因为一旦陷入滞胀,就很难摆脱。 Matt Colyar: 我认为目前的数据尚未显示出明显的滞胀迹象,但我们不能忽视潜在的风险。关税的影响可能需要一段时间才能显现,因为企业可能会暂时承担关税成本,或者通过调整供应链来降低成本。然而,如果关税持续存在,最终还是会转嫁给消费者,从而推高物价。此外,地缘政治事件也可能对经济产生重大影响,例如以色列轰炸伊朗核设施可能导致石油价格上涨,从而加剧通货膨胀。 Marisa DiNatale: 我认为移民政策对滞胀的影响不容忽视。限制移民可能导致劳动力供应减少,从而推高工资,并导致一些行业出现劳动力短缺。此外,地缘政治事件也可能对经济产生重大影响,例如以色列轰炸伊朗核设施可能导致石油价格上涨,从而加剧通货膨胀。我认为美联储需要密切关注这些风险,并根据数据做出适当的政策调整。如果通货膨胀持续上升,美联储可能需要采取更激进的措施来控制通货膨胀,即使这意味着经济衰退。

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The specter of stagflation is on the rise.  While the higher tariffs have yet to translate into higher prices, the Inside Economics team and their colleague, inflation-maven Matt Colyar, argue they soon will. And weaker growth isn’t too far behind – the team’s recession probabilities are increasing again. Mass immigrant deportations, and Israel’s bombing of Iran and the resulting spike in oil prices, also point to higher inflation and weaker growth. Just how serious a threat stagflation poses depends on many factors, the least of which is whether the Fed is willing and able to stick to its inflation mandate.

Guest: Matt Colyar – Assistant Director, Moody's Analytics

Hosts: Mark Zandi – Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, Cris deRitis – Deputy Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, Marisa DiNatale – Senior Director - Head of Global Forecasting, Moody’s Analytics

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