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Gene Munster Has Faith In The Fateful 8 | Okay, Computer.

2024/12/18
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Dan Nathan
知名金融分析师和评论员,常在 CNBC 上提供市场分析和评论。
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Gene Munster
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Gene Munster: 我认为2024年是科技行业强劲增长的一年,大型科技公司将继续发挥重要作用。定制硅片将成为一个重要趋势,对某些公司有利,对英伟达等公司则可能略有不利。软件方面,我们预计会有适度的收入增长,但不会像硬件那样显著。此外,我们预计市场将在未来出现一到两次10%的回调,但这不会改变我对纳斯达克指数在2025年底将高于2024年底的乐观预期。 我从风险投资的角度观察到,小型AI公司很难与大型科技公司竞争。对大型科技公司股票的投资,基于对未来几年市场强劲增长以及这些公司将扮演重要角色的信念。任何科技公司给出三年预测都是过于乐观,但Broadcom的长期预测反映了其业务的阶跃式变化,我们应该谨慎看待。硬件业务的波动性使得投资者对AI硬件行业的持续增长感到担忧,但AI硬件行业的繁荣期可能比许多投资者预期的要长。我们尚未看到大规模、低成本人工智能对各个领域的全面影响,这使得市场仍有上涨空间。 关于Agentic AI,我认为这是一种比Copilot更强大的AI形式,它可以自动化许多任务,具有巨大的潜力。Salesforce的Agentic AI业务目前收入微不足道,但其CEO Benioff的乐观态度可能过于夸张。 关于谷歌,我认为其搜索业务将保持韧性,其在AI领域的进展将为未来增长提供动力。自动驾驶技术的发展将对优步和Lyft等公司构成威胁,优步的长期前景堪忧,可能面临被淘汰的风险。 关于特斯拉,我认为其股价的近期上涨缺乏基本面支撑,其面临价格战和地缘政治风险。特斯拉股价的涨幅可能过大,其估值可能存在泡沫。 关于苹果,我认为其AI战略的实际影响可能低于预期,iPhone的升级周期可能不会像预期的那样强劲,但其服务业务的增长和毛利率的提高将支撑其估值。 Dan Nathan: 我认为市场高度集中于少数几家大型科技公司,这可能无法持续。对AI领域的普遍乐观情绪需要谨慎对待,因为其中存在风险。一些AI相关股票的近期表现与长期增长预期不符。微软股价的近期表现落后于其他大型科技公司,其在AI领域的战略和合作伙伴关系仍存在不确定性。微软Copilot的成功与否将影响Azure云服务的未来需求。 关于谷歌,我认为其AI搜索功能与其他竞争对手相比,其优势在于其庞大的用户基础和生态系统。OpenAI的创新速度可能正在放缓,而其他公司正在迎头赶上。 关于优步和Lyft,我认为它们在自动驾驶领域面临严峻的挑战,优步的长期前景堪忧,可能面临被淘汰的风险。 关于特斯拉,我认为其交付量增长可能低于预期,其面临价格战和地缘政治风险。 关于苹果,我认为其AI战略的实际影响可能低于预期,iPhone的升级周期可能不会像预期的那样强劲,在中国市场的iPhone升级需求可能低于预期。但苹果公司服务业务的增长和毛利率的提高将支撑其估值。

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Why is custom silicon becoming a significant trend in the tech sector for 2025?

Custom silicon is becoming a significant trend because hyperscalers are building their own chips to power AI, which can lead to more efficient and cost-effective solutions. Companies like Amazon, Microsoft, and Facebook are investing in custom silicon, potentially impacting hardware-focused firms like NVIDIA.

Why is Broadcom's three-year guidance of 60% growth significant in the tech market?

Broadcom's guidance implies a significant step function change in their business, driven by the growing demand for custom silicon. However, the guidance is optimistic and should be taken with a grain of salt, as market conditions and competition can shift rapidly.

Why is the performance of the 'fateful eight' tech companies so important for the market in 2025?

The 'fateful eight' tech companies, which include Tesla, Apple, Google, and Microsoft, collectively make up $20 trillion in market cap and 40% of the S&P 500. Their performance is crucial because it drives broader market sentiment and can influence the direction of the NASDAQ and S&P 500.

Why is there skepticism about the sustainability of NVIDIA's recent performance?

NVIDIA's recent performance is viewed with skepticism because the hardware business is inherently boom and bust, and their large customers like hyperscalers are increasingly building custom silicon. This could limit NVIDIA's long-term growth and make their market cap gains unstable.

Why is Microsoft's Copilot not meeting investor expectations despite the company's significant resources?

Microsoft's Copilot has not met investor expectations because it has not delivered the revenue acceleration or customer adoption that was hoped for. While Azure continues to grow, the software side of the business, particularly Copilot, is lagging, leading to concerns about Microsoft's AI strategy.

Why is Google's search business expected to remain resilient despite the rise of generative AI?

Google's search business is expected to remain resilient because it has a strong, habitual user base of 3 billion daily users. They only need to be 80% as good as the next best AI to maintain their position, and recent updates to their AI models, like Gemini 2, show promise.

Why is the future of Uber and Lyft uncertain in the era of autonomous vehicles?

The future of Uber and Lyft is uncertain because autonomous vehicles, particularly from Waymo and Tesla, could disrupt their business models. Uber's lack of a robust autonomy strategy and its dependency on Waymo for robo-taxis make it vulnerable to long-term decline.

Why has Tesla's market cap surged by $600 billion in a short period?

Tesla's market cap surge is driven by investor optimism about the potential of full self-driving (FSD) and the company's perceived technological edge. However, the surge is seen as a surface-level reaction, not supported by strong fundamentals, and could be a bubble waiting to burst.

Why is Apple's stock performance seen as a mix of fundamentals and market sentiment?

Apple's stock performance is a mix of strong fundamentals, such as growing gross margins and a robust services business, and market sentiment. The initial underperformance was partly due to a lack of clear AI strategy, but recent updates to Apple Intelligence have improved sentiment, even if the hardware business remains flat.

Why is the tech sector likely to experience significant pullbacks in 2025 despite overall positive trends?

The tech sector is likely to experience significant pullbacks in 2025 because bull markets often have 10% to 20% corrections. Additionally, the concentration of market cap in a few large tech firms, macroeconomic uncertainties, and the speculative nature of AI investments can lead to volatile market conditions.

Shownotes Transcript

Dan Nathan and Gene Munster) of Deepwater Asset Management) discuss significant trends and market shifts observed in 2024 and their potential impact on 2025. They explore the rise of custom silicon, NVIDIA's growth versus AI competition, the macroeconomic uncertainties affecting the tech sector, and the concentrated market power of major tech firms, dubbed the 'fateful eight.' The conversation delves into performances of key companies like Tesla, Apple, Google, and Microsoft, examining their stock rallies, growth strategies, and the evolving AI landscape. The duo also discusses the future of autonomous vehicles and the competitive landscape for Uber and Lyft, emphasizing the precarious balance between hype and substantial advancements in AI and tech innovations.

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