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Can Stocks and Rates Rise Together? 1/14/25

2025/1/14
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Jason Snipe
一位在宾夕法尼亚州的金融顾问,专注于股票推荐和投资策略。
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Jim Laventhal
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Josh Brown
金融分析师和评论家,专注于金融市场趋势和经济预测。
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Scott Wapner
主持《Halftime Report》,领导投资委员会讨论市场趋势和投资策略。
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Stephanie Link
首席投资策略师和股票投资组合经理,曾任职于Nuveen和TheStreet,现任高塔威尔财富管理公司首席投资策略师。
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Stephanie Link: 我认为即使利率上升,股票仍然可以上涨,但涨幅可能不会很大。这是因为利率上升是由于经济增长和粘性通胀导致的,而经济增长对企业盈利有利。特朗普1.0时期的通胀率为1.9%,他并不希望通胀过高,我认为新的关税政策不会导致通胀大幅上升,反而会被促进经济增长的政策所抵消。 当前的通胀上升是因为经济增长强劲,我们正在取得进展。作为投资者,我们更希望看到更好的经济增长和适度的通胀,因为这更有利于企业盈利。 Scott Wapner: BlackRock的Rick Reeder认为,鉴于科技股的盈利能力、股票回购和大量的现金储备,股市仍有望实现体面的增长,虽然涨幅可能不如去年。投资者更希望看到更好的经济增长和适度的通胀,因为这更有利于企业盈利。 Jim Laventhal: 单位劳动力成本已经恢复到疫情前的水平,这预示着生产率的提高和利润率的扩张。高盛的Tony Pasquarello认为,市场环境已经改变,潜在结果的分布范围似乎也扩大了,这导致市场风险降低,但主要趋势仍然看涨。当前经济强劲,通胀正在下降,美联储不太可能加息,除非通胀再次上升。我们经历的市场调整甚至算不上是修正,这说明市场对利率上升已经适应。 Josh Brown: 在我们的战术资产配置模型中,我们不考虑利率或通胀因素,因为这些因素过于嘈杂,影响决策。长期来看,股票市场回报与十年期国债收益率之间没有固定的负相关关系。我们需要决定,我们是试图交易下一次利率决议,还是想要通过长期投资来实现目标? Jason Snipe: 我认为科技股的调整是暂时的,亚马逊和谷歌等公司在各自领域都具有强大的增长动力。亚马逊的运营杠杆持续增长,零售业复苏,AWS的利润率增长强劲。谷歌在零售、广告、YouTube和云计算等领域均表现强劲。

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Key Insights

Why is the stock market reacting negatively to the PPI report despite a cooler inflation read?

The stock market is reacting negatively because, despite a cooler inflation read, interest rates barely budged. This is due to ongoing uncertainty about Trump 2.0 policies and whether they will be inflationary. The market is also assessing the potential impact of these policies on growth and inflation, which is causing volatility.

What is the historical relationship between stock market returns and rising interest rates?

Historically, there is no set negative correlation between stock market returns and rising interest rates. From 1950 through the pandemic era, the S&P 500 had an annualized return of just shy of 11% when the 10-year yield rose by 1% or more, which is the same as its average return in all periods. This suggests that rising rates do not necessarily hinder stock market performance.

Why did Stephanie Link buy UnitedHealth stock despite recent controversies?

Stephanie Link bought UnitedHealth because it is the number one managed care company in the industry, trading at a discount compared to its historical valuation. The stock is at 17 times earnings, down from its historical average of 21 times. She believes the company's strong fundamentals, including its Optum segment and $18 billion buyback program, will drive future growth despite short-term challenges like high medical loss ratios.

What is Josh Brown's outlook on the housing market and related stocks?

Josh Brown believes the housing market is poised for a rebound if mortgage rates decline. He notes that homebuilder stocks like KB Homes and DR Horton have been heavily sold off, with the median stock in the XHB index down 26% from its 52-week high. He also sees potential in mortgage companies like Rocket and United Wholesale Mortgage, which could surge if rates drop.

Why did Jim Laventhal trim his position in Apple?

Jim Laventhal trimmed his position in Apple due to concerns about the stock's valuation and the lack of a super-cycle upgrade in iPhone sales. He believes the stock has not fully priced in the slower-than-expected upgrade cycle and is rotating into other sectors like healthcare, where he sees better opportunities.

What are the key factors driving Stephanie Link's bullish stance on healthcare stocks?

Stephanie Link is bullish on healthcare stocks because the sector has lagged significantly, making valuations attractive. She highlights UnitedHealth as a top pick due to its strong fundamentals, including double-digit earnings growth, a robust buyback program, and its leadership in the managed care industry. She also sees potential in other healthcare names like AstraZeneca, which is trading at a discount due to concerns about its China business.

What is the significance of the Medicare reimbursement rate news for UnitedHealth and other healthcare companies?

The Medicare reimbursement rate news is significant because it indicates that the government recognizes the need for companies like UnitedHealth, CVS, and Humana to administer Medicare. The higher-than-expected reimbursement rates suggest that these companies will continue to play a critical role in healthcare delivery, which is a positive signal for their future earnings and stock performance.

Why does Josh Brown believe Reddit is a compelling investment?

Josh Brown believes Reddit is a compelling investment because it is an under-owned social media platform with significant growth potential. The company is launching new products like Answers, a ChatGPT-like feature, which could enhance user engagement. Reddit also has strong revenue growth expectations of 60% for the year and is generating positive cash flow, making it an attractive long-term play despite potential volatility.

What is the outlook for GE Aerospace and GE Vernova according to Stephanie Link?

Stephanie Link is bullish on GE Aerospace and GE Vernova. She believes GE Aerospace will continue to perform well due to strong execution by CEO Larry Culp and improving free cash flow. GE Vernova, on the other hand, is seen as a margin recovery story, with potential for margins to expand from 2.4% to 13% over the next decade. She also highlights the electrification theme as a long-term driver for GE Vernova.

What are Goldman Sachs' top equity strategies for 2025?

Goldman Sachs' top equity strategies for 2025 include benchmarking the MAG7 stocks, owning the S&P Midcap 400, and focusing on U.S. M&A candidates like Zoom, Twilio, and Take-Two. They also recommend stocks with small and medium-sized business exposure, such as Elanco and Zoetis, and AI-enabled revenue beneficiaries like Uber and ServiceNow.

Chapters
The Investment Committee discusses the interplay between rising interest rates and stock market performance, considering factors like inflation, economic growth, and the uncertainties surrounding Trump's new policies. They analyze various economic indicators and expert opinions to gauge the market's potential trajectory. The discussion highlights the ongoing debate regarding the correlation between stock market returns and interest rate movements.
  • Debate on the relationship between rising interest rates and stock market performance.
  • Analysis of inflation data (PPI) and its impact on interest rates.
  • Discussion of Trump's potential economic policies and their inflationary implications.
  • Experts' opinions on the likelihood of a stock market correction.

Shownotes Transcript

Scott Wapner and the Investment Committee debate the battle between rates and stocks and what it means for where the markets might go from here. Plus, the Investment Committee detail their latest portfolio moves. And later, Josh Brown shares some updates to his “Best Stocks in the Markets” list.  

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