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Britain's Post Office pays millions for a faulty system

2025/4/25
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Nick Koreshi: 我是Nick Koreshi,来自英国的报道。英国邮政丑闻中,数百名邮政经理因无法平衡账目而被指控欺诈,甚至入狱,但他们其实是无辜的,这都是由于富士通公司开发的故障IT系统造成的。英国邮政自十多年前试图终止合同以来,已花费超过8亿美元继续使用故障的Horizon系统。 Peter Ruddick: 令人惊讶的是,导致数百名分邮局局长被错误定罪的IT系统Horizon仍在英国邮政使用。千禧年之交,英国邮政业务扩展,需要一个系统来处理各种交易,这就是Horizon系统。但该系统从一开始就存在问题,富士通公司未能及时修复漏洞,导致错误数据被用于起诉他人。修复或更换系统成本高昂,这可能是邮政系统多年来花费巨资的原因。邮政部门一直租赁该系统,并为此支付了巨额费用,直到找到替代方案。6亿英镑的公共资金主要用于维护系统和租赁费用。2012年曾考虑购买系统代码,但最终被认为不值得。邮政领导层忙于处理丑闻和人事变动,未能及时更换系统。目前,他们正在努力寻找Horizon系统的替代方案,但直到找到替代方案之前,租赁和维护成本将继续增加。邮政部门已向受害者道歉,并表示正在努力寻找替代方案。政府也表示,部长们将找到Horizon系统的替代方案,但这不会立即实现。 Peter Ruddick: 英国邮政仍在使用故障的Horizon系统,该系统曾导致数百名邮政经理被错误定罪。该系统最初是为了处理邮政日益增长的交易而设计的,但它从一开始就存在问题。Fujitsu公司未能及时修复系统漏洞,导致错误数据被用于起诉他人。修复或更换系统成本高昂,是英国邮政继续使用该系统的原因之一。英国邮政一直租赁Horizon系统,并为此支付了巨额费用,直到找到替代方案。6亿英镑的公共资金主要用于维护系统和租赁费用。2012年曾考虑购买系统代码,但最终被认为不值得。邮政领导层忙于处理丑闻和人事变动,未能及时更换系统。目前,他们正在努力寻找Horizon系统的替代方案,但直到找到替代方案之前,租赁和维护成本将继续增加。

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Britain's post office pays millions more to stay shackled to a faulty system. Live from the UK, this is the Marketplace Morning Report from the BBC World Service. Hello, I'm Nick Koreshi in Fort Leanneburn. You might remember the UK post office scandal where hundreds of post office managers were accused of fraud because they couldn't balance the books. Some were even sent to jail, but they were innocent. It was all down to a faulty IT system developed by computer giant Fujitsu.

Well, now the BBC's calculated the Post Office has spent more than $800 million to continue using the faulty Horizon system since attempting to end its contract more than a decade ago. The BBC's Peter Ruddick has been following this for us. Hello, Peter. Hi, Nick. Just remind us of the role this system has still to

to this day. Absolutely. It might be a real surprise for people that the IT system, essentially partly responsible for the wrongful prosecution of hundreds of sub-postmasters and many more who were pursued wrongly for money they were told they owed, is actually still in place in the post office. To understand this, you have to rewind back a bit to the turn of the millennium when the post office in the UK started doing more and more things

than just sending letters. You could absolutely buy stamps from the post office, but you would also go there to get your welfare benefits, or you might be managing your bank account from in store. And that meant that a system was needed to deal with all of these transactions, to log them, a point of sale and an accounting system. And that's where Horizon came in. The trouble is, as soon as it was introduced,

it came with issues and Fujitsu, its owners, because it just rented the system to the post office, they never bought it outright, Fujitsu didn't fix the bugs or weren't quick enough in identifying issues and

and that's when the wrongful data was used to pursue people. The problem is that fixing it is quite expensive, and there isn't sort of an automatic system out there that you could just go to and buy. You would either have to kind of develop one in-house...

or find another computer maker to make another massive system, which again would come at a really big cost. So that possibly explains why these amounts have totaled up over the years, because as I say, the post office rents the system, and so it's had to keep paying it until an alternative is found.

So where's this £600 million of public money gone? So it's gone essentially to maintaining the system, to trying to fix the bugs and also the rental costs because as I say the post office never owned the system. In 2012 they did look at buying the system code so they would take everything in-house but at the time that was judged to just be not a good use of public money. So this kind of piecemeal system of rental costs carried on

And unfortunately, the post office leadership was really too busy dealing with the scandal itself and changing leadership quite a bit to get a proper replacement for the systems. That's what's going on at the moment. They're trying to find a new system to replace Horizon. But until then, the rental costs, the maintenance costs just keep racking up.

Has the post office had anything to say? So the post office themselves have apologised to the victims and they say they are working on a replacement. Of course, the post office is owned by the government. The government say that as part of their plan, ministers will find a replacement for Horizon. It's just not going to be straight away. All right. Thank you, Peter. Absolute pleasure. Thank you. On to the numbers.

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India and Pakistan have announced measures halting trade after a deadly attack in Indian-administered Kashmir. The Prime Minister Narendra Modi has blamed Islamabad for killing 26 tourists and warned of retaliation. Cross-border visas have already been suspended and critical water-sharing agreements put on hold. Authorities in Pakistan deny involvement and say any attempt to divert or stop waters would be seen as an act of war.

Gold hit $3,500 an ounce for the first time this week. Before slipping back, it's up about 30% this year. That's on top of a 25% rise in 2024. So then, what is the outlook for this classic safe haven asset? Olly Hansen is Head of Commodity Strategy at Saxo Bank in Denmark. Morning, Olly.

Hi, Nick. So what's happened to gold this week? Well, gold is actually having a little bit of a retracement after hitting another fresh record high earlier in the week. $3,500 was reached just after Easter when the market worried that Trump was going to sack the head of the Federal Reserve. That was since later rolled back somewhat. And now we're just seeing the market running through a bit of consolidation. But that will happen and that needs to happen.

considering gold is trading up almost around 30% already this year. One factor you mentioned there, that's surely not the only one. No, absolutely. And probably the main two reasons we've seen now for the past couple of years is a very, very strong demand from central banks around the world buying more than 1,000 tons on an annual basis now for the past three years. We have the debt situation around the world, which is also raising some concerns.

And then in China, we're seeing investors continue to buy into gold. Perhaps they're worried about the local economic outlook, but also perhaps worried about the devaluation of the renminbi as a defense against the terrorist war against the US. So there are plenty of drivers right now. How significant, Olli, is this benchmark $3,500 an ounce figure? It's massive. Considering how far we traveled in a relatively short period of time, it clearly does indicate that the world is in a bit of a flux right now because

why would you otherwise buy an asset that doesn't give you any return no yield no dividend no coupon it costs money to to store and you have to worry about someone coming and stealing it from you and nevertheless investors still piling into gold and that clearly indicates that they are worried about the world as it is right now so where is this all heading ollie well i think

We had a 3,300 call for the year, which was then lifted to 3,500 just before Easter, which we then actually reached within a week. So it's very difficult to say where this is going to end. Again, just using the round numbers, if we see a renewed deterioration of the current situation, which has eased a little bit, there are some talks now on the terrorist front between

The Trump administration and China, there's focus on Japan, Korea as well, potentially getting some deals done. That has just eased the pressure somewhat. But the risk of something blowing up again could take it to above 3,500. And then the market will start to focus on 4,000 as the next level. It's great to talk to you. Thanks, Olli. Thank you very much, Nick.

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