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How California ICE raids reverberate across the labor market

2025/6/10
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Ai-jen Poo
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Bridget
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Daniel Costa
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Hiromichi Akiba
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Julia Gillatt
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Kristen Schwab
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Momoko Abe
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Nancy Marshall-Genzer
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Shama Khalil
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Ai-jen Poo: 作为全国家政工人联盟的主席,我认为对移民的恐惧已经严重影响了劳动力市场。许多家政工人,包括那些照顾孩子和老人的,因为害怕被抓捕而不敢去工作。这不仅影响了他们的生计,也导致了整个经济部门的放缓,甚至可能引发劳动力危机。尤其是在医疗保健领域,我们已经面临着家庭健康助理的短缺,而移民政策的收紧无疑会加剧这一问题。我们需要认识到,移民是劳动力市场的重要组成部分。 Julia Gillatt: 作为移民政策研究所的专家,我观察到移民通常会选择那些有工作机会和社交网络的地区。加州就是一个典型的例子,它拥有庞大的经济体量和与拉丁美洲的深厚联系,吸引了大量的移民。然而,特朗普政府的移民政策可能会对那些希望合法来美国工作的移民产生负面影响,使他们望而却步。这种政策不仅会影响美国的劳动力供应,还会损害美国的国际形象。 Daniel Costa: 作为经济政策研究所的移民法律和政策研究主任,我认为美国需要更多的移民工人来填补因驱逐无证工人造成的劳动力缺口。雇主社区可能会试图通过增加临时工作签证来解决劳动力短缺的问题,但这并不是长久之计。更重要的是,我们需要认识到,加强移民执法并不能真正帮助美国工人,也不能创造更多的就业机会。事实上,研究表明,驱逐移民工人反而可能导致美国本土工人失业。 Kristen Schwab: 作为Marketplace的记者,我报道了科罗拉多大学丹佛分校的一项研究,该研究表明,每驱逐一百万工人,就会导致88000名美国本土工人失业。这说明移民对美国经济的贡献是不可忽视的。如果劳动力减少,企业将难以扩大投资,经济中的消费者也会减少,从而对整体经济产生负面影响。因此,我们需要重新审视移民政策,并采取更加开放和包容的态度。

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The ICE raids in California are causing fear and uncertainty among undocumented workers, many of whom work in essential industries. This is leading to labor shortages and potential economic consequences. The raids may also discourage legal immigration.
  • About a third of domestic workers in the U.S. are immigrants, many undocumented
  • Many undocumented immigrants work in essential industries like hospitality and construction
  • For every one million workers deported, 88,000 U.S. native workers lost employment (University of Colorado, Denver study)

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I'm David Brancaccio. By bedtime last evening, authorities had dispersed most of the protesters here in downtown Los Angeles and in the city of Santa Ana. The protests against federal government raids on workplaces in search of people in the U.S. without permission were quieter and smaller scale yesterday compared to the weekend. The Trump administration has brought in National Guard troops against the California governor's wishes yesterday.

And now 700 U.S. Marines are being deployed in the region, something the police chief of Los Angeles is calling a significant challenge to his staff's ability to protect the city.

And what do the federal workplace raids mean for jobs that need to get done? Marketplace's Kristen Schwab has more of our coverage. About a third of domestic workers in the U.S., those are nannies, house cleaners and caregivers, are immigrants. And many are undocumented, says Ai-jen Poo, president of the National Domestic Workers Alliance. People are afraid to go to work. Entire sectors of the economy will slow down.

And there will be workforce crises. There already is one in health care, where a shortage of home health aides has been exacerbated by the pandemic and an aging population. It's kind of an all-hands-on-deck situation where we're going to need a strong immigrant workforce and non-immigrant. Undocumented immigrants work across many essential industries like hospitality and construction, tourism,

jobs that often pay less and offer fewer rights for workers. Forty-five percent of agriculture workers are undocumented, according to the Center for Migration Studies. Julia Gillatt is at the Migration Policy Institute. We know that immigrants tend to move where there are jobs, and they tend to move where they have social networks.

Those essential industry jobs and social networks are especially prominent in California, a large state with a big economy and deep ties to Latin America. New York, Illinois, Texas and Florida also have high concentrations of undocumented immigrants. But Gillette is also worried the Trump administration's immigration policy will discourage legal immigrants who want to come to the U.S. specifically to work.

Immigrants have high labor force participation rates, especially immigrant men. They tend to be higher than the U.S.-born population. And the country will need more of those workers to fill the gap left by the loss of undocumented workers, says Daniel Costa, director of immigration law and policy research at the Economic Policy Institute.

We're going to see a really big push by the employer community to replace a lot of these workers with temporary work visas. So programs like H-2A and H-2B. Visas primarily used in agriculture, construction and hospitality. Big picture, Costa says these raids could hurt the labor market. Immigration enforcement does not help U.S. workers. It does not open up jobs. There's no evidence that that happens.

A study from the University of Colorado, Denver estimated that for every one million workers deported, 88,000 U.S. native workers lost employment. With fewer workers, businesses have a harder time investing in expansion, and there are fewer consumers in the economy. I'm Kristen Schwab for Marketplace.

A trial with big implications for the business of artificial intelligence has just begun in London. Do tech companies violate copyright when they scrape the Internet to train AI systems? The trial began yesterday at London's High Court. Getty Images is suing Stability AI. The trial started with opening arguments from Getty. It says Stability trained its stable diffusion system on Getty's images.

Stable diffusion creates images based on typed instructions or prompts from users. Getty accuses Stability AI of brazen infringement of its copyrighted material, adding that it didn't pay Getty anything. Court filings from Stability say the lawsuit is, quote, an overt threat to Stability's whole business and the wider generative AI industry.

In congressional testimony, Stability has said it's protected by fair use laws and its use of images to train its systems doesn't interfere with the use and enjoyment of the original work. I'm Nancy Marshall-Genzer for Marketplace.

And the performers union SAG-AFTRA has reached a tentative contract with video game companies with the potential to end a strike by voice actors that's been going on for nearly a year now. Limits on cloning voices using AI without permission is thought to be part of this.

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Now to Japan, where prices for the staple food rice have soared after a weak crop, hoarding and lots of visitors. The BBC's Shama Khalil reports from a supermarket in Tokyo. It's been a tough couple of years for Japanese households. They've struggled with inflation, high prices, stagnant wages and a sluggish economy. And yet, not many could see the rice crisis coming.

Hiromichi Akiba is the owner of the Akidai supermarket chain. He tells me this really hit Japanese families where it hurt. Honestly speaking, our customers are in trouble. Many other things like food prices had gone up. Then the rice, which had been inexpensive, went up so sharply. I'm looking at the rice shelves close to the till.

Unlike other supermarkets, this one still has some bags left. But like all other supermarkets, the prices have doubled since last year. Images of long lines of people queuing up to get their hands on a bag of rice shocked the public here. Momoko Abe is here shopping with her four-month-old baby. As you know, it's a staple in our lives and it's something that we haven't really, I mean, maybe it's sort of a ticket for granted and it was quite shocking that the price could rise like

within such a short period of time. The government has started releasing rice from its emergency natural disaster reserve. But it's been very slow getting to consumers. So how is it that a country so famous for its high-quality rice end up here? Climate is a part of this dim picture.

The rice harvest in 2023 was compromised by extreme heat, which affected the supply. Overtourism also played a part. Last year, Japan received a record of nearly 40 million visitors, putting increased pressure on rice demands. Also in 2024, Japanese families were jolted when a warning was issued of a possible mega-quake, which triggered hoarding and panic buying.

Shama Khalil with our editorial partners at the BBC in Los Angeles. I'm David Brancaccio. It's the Marketplace Morning Report from APM American Public Media. Hey there, it's Bridget, co-host of Million Vazillion, a podcast that answers your kids' big questions about money. There's a lot of talk about tariffs lately. So how do you explain such a complex topic to kids?

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