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The U.S. and Ukraine strike a minerals deal

2025/5/1
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Lisa Yasko: 我认为美乌矿产协议对乌克兰而言是公平的。协议中,乌克兰没有放弃任何主权,而是与美国平等分享未来的矿产收益。此外,这些收益将免除乌克兰和美国的税收,并且不会构成对美国的债务。这笔交易将吸引美国继续投资乌克兰的国防和重建工作。 这份协议对乌克兰来说是双赢的,它确保了乌克兰的利益,同时也能促进乌克兰的经济复苏和重建。 我们与美国达成的协议是基于互利互惠的原则,这将有助于加强我们两国之间的战略伙伴关系,并促进乌克兰的长期稳定和繁荣。 Brad Sherman: 我认为这项协议对美国纳税人来说不会带来多少好处。共产主义时期和资本主义时期,乌克兰的矿产资源都经过了充分的勘探,这项协议只涉及那些此前被认为不值得开采的矿藏。因此,协议的实际经济效益可能微乎其微。 此外,考虑到乌克兰目前的战争局势,协议的实施存在很大的不确定性。在战乱时期,进行矿产勘探和开采将面临巨大的挑战,这可能会导致协议无法按计划执行,最终造成资源的浪费和资金的损失。 总的来说,我认为这项协议的风险远大于收益,它不太可能为美国带来实质性的经济利益。 Gracelyn Baskerin: 美乌矿产协议的实施将是一个漫长的过程,绝非易事。首先,我们需要进行全面的矿产勘探和资源评估,这需要耗费大量的时间和精力。其次,我们需要进行早期阶段的项目开发,这包括基础设施建设、技术研发等多个方面。 此外,由于乌克兰的能源基础设施在战争中遭受了严重的破坏,这将进一步增加矿产开采的难度和成本。目前,乌克兰一半的发电站都受到了破坏,而采矿业是一个极其耗能的行业。 一般来说,一个新的矿山从开发到投产需要18年的时间,这是一个长期而艰巨的任务。因此,我们必须做好长期努力的准备,并对可能出现的各种挑战做好充分的应对。 Lily Jamali: 欧盟委员会对Meta的巨额罚款以及对其实施的监管,可能会导致Meta的用户体验变差,并对其业务造成重大负面影响。Meta可能被迫改变其商业模式,以遵守欧盟的规定,这将对欧洲用户造成不便。 Meta试图扭转公众舆论,以对抗欧盟的监管措施。然而,欧盟的监管旨在促进公平竞争,保护消费者权益,Meta的应对措施能否成功还有待观察。 欧盟的监管行动对其他大型科技公司也具有警示作用,它们需要认真考虑如何遵守欧盟的规定,避免类似的处罚。 Hu Qianqiang: 我们义乌批发市场不再像以前那样依赖美国市场了。现在,我们有来自世界各地的客户,包括中东、俄罗斯和南美洲等地区。美国市场对我们来说已经不那么重要了。 过去,我们主要用英语与客户交流。现在,我们需要学习西班牙语、阿拉伯语和法语等多种语言,以适应不断变化的市场需求。 我们已经适应了全球化的市场竞争,并且能够在全球范围内寻找新的商机。 Lin Xu Peng: 我认为中美贸易战将对美国造成更大的损害,因为美国的大部分商品都依赖中国制造。如果贸易战持续下去,美国消费者将面临商品短缺和价格上涨的困境。 中国制造业在全球市场中占据着重要的地位,我们拥有强大的生产能力和完善的供应链。即使面临贸易战的压力,我们仍然能够保持竞争力,并继续为全球市场提供高质量的商品。 美国需要认识到中国在全球经济中的重要作用,并与中国建立更加稳定和互利的贸易关系。 Zhou Bo: 中美贸易摩擦将持续一段时间,这是一种你来我往的博弈。中国不会率先妥协,我们将继续维护自身的利益。 我们相信,通过坚持不懈的努力,中国最终将能够克服贸易摩擦带来的挑战,并继续保持经济的稳定增长。 我们有信心应对各种挑战,并继续在全球经济中发挥重要的作用。

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The US has signed a deal with Kyiv to share profits from the future sale of Ukraine's mineral and energy reserves after months of fraught negotiations. The agreement marks a shift from military aid towards an economic partnership, which aims to incentivise the US to continue to invest in Ukraine's defence and reconstruction. Here's how Ukrainian lawmaker Lisa Yasko from the ruling servant of the People's Party responded. So there are good parts in it, which includes that Ukraine

We are not giving up anything from Ukraine. We don't grant anyone exclusive rights to Ukrainian minerals. But that's a fair deal where the United States are actually investing in the reconstruction fund and they will have 50/50 access to the mineral deals.

There are more interesting parts in it, as for instance, these revenues will not be taxed in Ukraine or United States.

And what is important for us is that this deal is not actually a debt obligation to the United States, as it was discussed before. But not everyone in Washington is convinced. Democratic Congressman Brad Sherman says it's unlikely to deliver much for U.S. taxpayers. Let's look at it this way. For well over 50 years, the communists looked all over Ukraine and determined what minerals were worthy of exploiting.

Now, for the last 35 years, capitalists have done the same thing. So this deal only applies to deposits of minerals that neither the communists nor the capitalists thought were worth exploiting. And with the country still at war, how will any of this actually happen? Gracelyn Baskerin at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies says progress will take time.

It will not be easy to even to do the work. There's so many stages of development that we have first, right? We've got to do a mapping. We've got early stage project development. That all takes time. A lot of energy infrastructure has been damaged in the war. So half of the country's power stations have been damaged and mining is an incredibly energy intensive sector.

So there's a lot of elements of development that have to happen here before it would yield actual minerals coming out of the ground. Just for context, generally globally, it's 18 years to develop a new mine into production. That's four and a half presidential administrations in the United States. It's a long-term effort. Gracelyn Basker in there. Now, let's do the numbers. ♪

The Bank of Japan held interest rates steady but cut its growth outlook sharply, citing uncertainty from US tariffs. Still, it says inflation should stay on track. The IMF has downgraded its forecast for the Middle East and North Africa, warning trade tensions will slow growth more than expected next year.

Now, Facebook's parent company Meta says its users could face a materially worse experience after a major regulatory blow from the European Commission. EU authorities fined Meta $230 million, saying its consent or pay model breached a new law. The BBC's Lily Jamali has more. The consent or pay model leaves users to choose between paying for a monthly subscription or consenting to being tracked using their data.

Last week, the European Commission ruled that this approach that was suggested by Meta violates the Digital Markets Act, which aims to promote competition by regulating the big tech gatekeepers, which includes Meta. Now, on Wednesday, Meta told investors and analysts that it expects that this decision by the European Commission

will likely prompt it to make changes that could make the user experience for European users worse and could also have a materially adverse impact on its own business. One analyst I've been speaking to today said he thinks that Meta is trying to turn the tide of public opinion so that they push back against the regulatory approach.

Lily Jamali there. Now, manufacturing in China is down. No great surprise, but it's fallen more sharply than economists predicted amid a trade war with the US. So how are businesses there faring? The BBC's Laura Baker has been to the world's largest wholesale market in the Chinese city of Yiwu. This is the sound of Chinese traders trying to stay ahead of their local competition.

In the cavernous lobby of the world's largest shopping mall, even before the shutters are open, they are reciting key phrases they can use with their customers. Ten years ago, they mostly traded in English. These days, they need Spanish, Arabic and a little French.

We are in Yiwu Wholesale Market. This is the biggest wholesale market in the world and it has hundreds of stalls selling various toys. Oh, I'm just being showered by bubbles.

Things have changed here since Donald Trump was last in power. The US president's first trade war taught Yiwu a lesson. There are buyers elsewhere. As trader Hu Qianqiang explains. What do you think of Trump? Trump, he's a joke. We used to have buyers from the US. Now we don't care. We have rich buyers from elsewhere. Doing business with them is good.

The 75,000 stallholders in Iwu are no longer as reliant on the US as they once were. Eight years ago, 20% of Chinese exports were sold to the US. That figure is now 14%. Instead, the halls are filled with buyers from the Middle East, Russia and South America. Oscar is from Colombia. China is a big country, a big people, a big food, a big...

Around 80% of all US toys come from China. And seller Lin Xu Peng believes this trade war will hurt Americans more than the Chinese.

I hear there are lots of protests in the US. Most of their products came from here. Do you think they need us? Of course they do. Talks between the two sides are still not underway, according to China's foreign ministry, despite Donald Trump's assertion that he has spoken to President Xi.

Zhou Bo, a retired senior colonel from the People's Liberation Army, says Beijing will not blink first. In China, we say we have to let the bullet fly for a moment. That means right now, in the Falkirk War, we do not know what would come next. And I believe this kind of tit-for-tat will just last for a while, maybe one or two months.

While the US president waits for his Chinese counterpart to pick up the phone, the city of Yiwu is looking for new customers even as darkness falls. And even though it's peak monsoon season, the rain is pelting down, trade is in full flow. Everyone's haggling after the best price.

The belief here is that even though there will be short-term pain, in the long term, China, not America, will grow stronger. In China, I'm the BBC's Laura Bicker for Marketplace. And that's it from the Marketplace Morning Report from the BBC World Service. I'm Leanna Byrne. Have a great day and thanks so much for listening.

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