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BG2 with Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner | NVDA, Chips, AI Compute Build Out, Impact of AI on Big Tech, Earnings & Macro Set-up | E03

2024/2/22
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Brad Gerstner: 本期节目讨论了AI技术对大型科技公司和市场的影响,以及与之相关的芯片、计算能力和投资等问题。他认为,AI技术将重塑各行各业,带来巨大的机遇和挑战。他分析了谷歌、微软、Meta、苹果和亚马逊等公司在AI领域的竞争优势和劣势,并对这些公司的未来发展方向进行了预测。他还讨论了宏观经济环境对市场的影响,以及投资者应该关注的长期趋势。 他认为,投资者应该关注长期趋势,而不是短期波动。他以Booking.com为例,说明许多投资者因为过于关注短期数据而错失了长期投资机会。他还分析了英伟达等公司的短期股价走势难以预测,但可以关注长期趋势。 他认为,AI技术将带来巨大的市场机会,但同时也面临着挑战,例如成本增加、利润率下降等。他还讨论了AI应用的商业模式尚不明确,可能是订阅模式或免费模式,也可能包含广告。 他认为,AI应用中的“记忆”功能和“执行操作”功能将带来显著的提升,并对苹果公司在AI领域的战略进行了分析。他还讨论了投资者需要评估公司估值是否反映了其未来增长潜力和风险,并对谷歌、微软、Meta、苹果和亚马逊等公司的估值进行了分析。 他还讨论了AI芯片制造的挑战,以及各国政府对AI技术的投资需求。他认为,建设AI芯片制造工厂的难度很大,与软件行业不同,芯片设计和制造并非易事。他还分析了台湾在芯片制造领域具有竞争优势的原因,以及美国在AI芯片制造领域面临的挑战。 最后,他认为,AI技术将带来长期而广泛的影响,投资者应该关注长期趋势,并利用市场波动带来的机会。 Bill Gurley: 他在节目中主要从宏观经济和技术两个角度分析了AI对市场的影响。在宏观经济方面,他认为当前实际利率处于高位,这表明美联储正在努力抑制经济增长。他还指出,Larry Summers关于美联储可能进一步加息的言论具有挑衅性,这表明市场对经济软着陆的预期可能过于乐观。 在技术方面,他认为AI技术将带来巨大的市场机会,但同时也面临着挑战,例如成本增加、利润率下降等。他还讨论了AI应用的商业模式尚不明确,可能是订阅模式或免费模式,也可能包含广告。 他还对谷歌、微软、Meta、苹果和亚马逊等公司在AI领域的竞争优势和劣势进行了分析,并对这些公司的未来发展方向进行了预测。他还讨论了AI芯片制造的挑战,以及各国政府对AI技术的投资需求。他认为,建设AI芯片制造工厂的难度很大,与软件行业不同,芯片设计和制造并非易事。他还分析了台湾在芯片制造领域具有竞争优势的原因,以及美国在AI芯片制造领域面临的挑战。 最后,他认为,AI技术将带来长期而广泛的影响,投资者应该关注长期趋势,并利用市场波动带来的机会。

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Why is the cost of providing answers through AI significantly higher than traditional search results?

Providing answers through AI is more expensive because it involves generating detailed responses rather than just listing links. Traditional search results cost about a third of a penny per query, while AI-generated answers can cost up to 4 cents per query, and refining queries can increase costs up to 50 times more than traditional search.

What impact does AI have on Google's core business model?

AI poses a significant challenge to Google's core search business by increasing costs and potentially reducing revenue. AI-driven answers are more expensive to generate, and users may click on fewer ads, leading to lower revenue per search. Additionally, Google's market share in search is likely to decrease as competitors like ChatGPT gain traction.

How does AI enhance Meta's core business?

AI has significantly improved Meta's core business by enhancing ad targeting and user engagement across platforms like Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp. AI-driven tools have allowed Meta to recover from Apple's privacy changes, leading to better monetization and increased user interaction.

What is the significance of NVIDIA's role in the AI compute build-out?

NVIDIA is central to the AI compute build-out, with its GPUs being essential for training and inference workloads. The company has seen a surge in demand as the world shifts towards AI-driven infrastructure, and its data center market share has grown significantly. NVIDIA's advanced chips, like the H100 and upcoming B100, are critical for meeting the increasing compute needs of AI applications.

Why is Taiwan a dominant player in semiconductor manufacturing?

Taiwan's dominance in semiconductor manufacturing is due to its unique labor model, where workers are willing to work long hours and live in dormitories, leading to low churn rates and high productivity. This contrasts with the U.S., where higher churn rates and labor norms make it difficult to operate competitive fab plants. Taiwan's cultural and labor advantages have made it a global leader in chip production.

What is the projected growth in global data center infrastructure to support AI?

The global data center infrastructure is expected to grow from $1 trillion to $2 trillion over the next four to five years, driven by the need for accelerated compute to support AI applications. This growth includes both new data centers and the replacement of existing ones with AI-optimized infrastructure.

Shownotes Transcript

Open Source bi-weekly convo w/ Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner on all things tech, markets, investing & capitalism. This week, they discuss earnings, inflation, interest rates, the impact of AI on Big Tech, NVDA, chips, fabs, Altman’s $7T to meet AI Compute needs, & more. Enjoy another episode of Bg2.

Timestamps:

(0:00) Introduction

(3:14) Earnings / Inflation / Rates

(10:16) Impact of AI on Google / Meta

(32:47) Why not also MSFT/Apple/Amazon?

(57:06) Chips, Fabs, Future Compute Needs

Available on Apple, Spotify, www.linktr.ee/bg2pod

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Shownotes:

TSMC founder Morris Chang on the evolution of the semiconductor industry

https://youtu.be/r_8XClnnvIk?si=rAylAfxpJa0kHiNv

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