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Eiso Kant (CTO poolside) - Superhuman Coding Is Coming!

2025/4/2
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Eiso Kant: 我认为仅仅依靠扩大模型规模和数据量无法实现AGI,强化学习是提升AI能力的关键。Poolside AI专注于利用代码执行反馈进行强化学习,目标是在未来18-36个月内实现知识工作领域的人类水平AI。我们从头构建基础模型,而非依赖微调,并专注于软件开发领域,这使得我们可以更有效地利用计算资源,并满足企业对数据安全和隐私的需求。我们相信,随着模型能力的提升,软件开发生命周期将发生变化,更多的人将参与到软件开发中,并采用模块化和微服务架构。同时,我们也重视模型的可解释性和安全性,并致力于构建可信赖的企业级AI解决方案。未来,多模态AI技术将发挥重要作用,代码可能仍然会在一些关键领域发挥作用,但最终可能会被更高级的模型所取代。

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Eiso Kant, CTO of Poolside AI, discusses the company's unique approach to scaling AI using reinforcement learning from code execution feedback. This contrasts with simply increasing model size or data volume. Kant predicts human-level AI in knowledge work within 18-36 months.
  • Reinforcement learning from code execution feedback is a key scaling axis.
  • Poolside AI aims to achieve human-level AI in knowledge work within 18-36 months.
  • Scaling next token prediction is imitation learning; scaling reinforcement learning is trial and error learning.

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Eiso Kant, CTO of poolside AI, discusses the company's approach to building frontier AI foundation models, particularly focused on software development. Their unique strategy is reinforcement learning from code execution feedback which is an important axis for scaling AI capabilities beyond just increasing model size or data volume. Kant predicts human-level AI in knowledge work could be achieved within 18-36 months, outlining poolside's vision to dramatically increase software development productivity and accessibility.

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TRANSCRIPT:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/szepl6taqziyqie9wgmk9/poolside.pdf?rlkey=iqar7dcwshyrpeoz0xa76k422&dl=0

TOC:

  1. Foundation Models and AI Strategy

[00:00:00] 1.1 Foundation Models and Timeline Predictions for AI Development

[00:02:55] 1.2 Poolside AI's Corporate History and Strategic Vision

[00:06:48] 1.3 Foundation Models vs Enterprise Customization Trade-offs

  1. Reinforcement Learning and Model Economics

    [00:15:42] 2.1 Reinforcement Learning and Code Execution Feedback Approaches

    [00:22:06] 2.2 Model Economics and Experimental Optimization

  2. Enterprise AI Implementation

    [00:25:20] 3.1 Poolside's Enterprise Deployment Strategy and Infrastructure

    [00:26:00] 3.2 Enterprise-First Business Model and Market Focus

    [00:27:05] 3.3 Foundation Models and AGI Development Approach

    [00:29:24] 3.4 DeepSeek Case Study and Infrastructure Requirements

  3. LLM Architecture and Performance

    [00:30:15] 4.1 Distributed Training and Hardware Architecture Optimization

    [00:33:01] 4.2 Model Scaling Strategies and Chinchilla Optimality Trade-offs

    [00:36:04] 4.3 Emergent Reasoning and Model Architecture Comparisons

    [00:43:26] 4.4 Balancing Creativity and Determinism in AI Models

    [00:50:01] 4.5 AI-Assisted Software Development Evolution

  4. AI Systems Engineering and Scalability

    [00:58:31] 5.1 Enterprise AI Productivity and Implementation Challenges

    [00:58:40] 5.2 Low-Code Solutions and Enterprise Hiring Trends

    [01:01:25] 5.3 Distributed Systems and Engineering Complexity

    [01:01:50] 5.4 GenAI Architecture and Scalability Patterns

    [01:01:55] 5.5 Scaling Limitations and Architectural Patterns in AI Code Generation

  5. AI Safety and Future Capabilities

    [01:06:23] 6.1 Semantic Understanding and Language Model Reasoning Approaches

    [01:12:42] 6.2 Model Interpretability and Safety Considerations in AI Systems

    [01:16:27] 6.3 AI vs Human Capabilities in Software Development

    [01:33:45] 6.4 Enterprise Deployment and Security Architecture

CORE REFS (see shownotes for URLs/more refs):

[00:15:45] Research demonstrating how training on model-generated content leads to distribution collapse in AI models, Ilia Shumailov et al. (Key finding on synthetic data risk)

[00:20:05] Foundational paper introducing Word2Vec for computing word vector representations, Tomas Mikolov et al. (Seminal NLP technique)

[00:22:15] OpenAI O3 model's breakthrough performance on ARC Prize Challenge, OpenAI (Significant AI reasoning benchmark achievement)

[00:22:40] Seminal paper proposing a formal definition of intelligence as skill-acquisition efficiency, François Chollet (Influential AI definition/philosophy)

[00:30:30] Technical documentation of DeepSeek's V3 model architecture and capabilities, DeepSeek AI (Details on a major new model)

[00:34:30] Foundational paper establishing optimal scaling laws for LLM training, Jordan Hoffmann et al. (Key paper on LLM scaling)

[00:45:45] Seminal essay arguing that scaling computation consistently trumps human-engineered solutions in AI, Richard S. Sutton (Influential "Bitter Lesson" perspective)

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