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The Compendium - Connor Leahy and Gabriel Alfour

2025/3/30
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Connor Leahy: 我认为目前关于AI的讨论之所以如此糟糕,是因为人们过于轻信自己的直觉,而忽略了科学研究中失败的经验教训。我们对智能的本质缺乏理解,AI的进步主要源于算力的提升而非对智能机制的深入研究。当前AI发展是一场不顾安全的竞赛,如果不解决安全问题,我们将面临失败。我们对智能的理解还处于早期阶段,如同炼金术士对化学的理解一样,我们缺乏对智能的科学认识。我认为,应该对AI进行严格的监管,甚至应该禁止不受控制的超级智能AI的开发。 我坚信混沌是危险的,而秩序是必须建立和维护的。我们对智能的定义缺乏共识,应该保持谦逊的态度,避免轻信个人的直觉。AI公司宣称的努力和实际行动之间存在差距,不能轻信其自我监管能力。对AI的监管不应过度追求严谨性,而应关注实际可行的监管措施。我们可以通过监管AI项目的意图来限制AI的发展,即使我们对AI的定义缺乏完全的共识。 目前AI领域对“对齐”的定义被误用,这成为了AI公司进行公关宣传的工具。我们应该关注的是如何构建一个能够可靠地遵循规则的AI系统,而不是仅仅关注AI是否能够满足用户的需求。我们对智能的进化过程缺乏清晰的理解,既存在连续性,也存在非连续性。 我们应该认识到,目前AI发展存在着巨大的风险,这并非危言耸听。我们需要采取行动来阻止AI对人类造成威胁。 Gabriel Alfour: 我们应该谦逊地承认自己对智能的理解有限,并努力争取更多时间来应对AI带来的风险。我们需要对智能、协调和对齐有更深入的理解。 我认为,将智能定义为解决问题的能力,是一个足够宽泛且实用的定义。人类与其他物种之间存在连续性和非连续性,我们对两者之间的界限缺乏清晰的理解。强大的AGI将融入现有的经济系统,利用其资源和工具来扩展自身能力。 公众普遍认同AI存在灭绝风险,这并非危言耸听。即使AI能够自我复制,它们仍然需要依赖物理资源和基础设施。目前AI领域的研究人员已经公开承认AI存在灭绝风险,这并非假设性的问题。 对AI风险的评估不必依赖于精确的客观概率,而应基于合理的风险评估方法。我们可以通过监管AI项目的意图来限制AI的发展,即使我们对AI的定义缺乏完全的共识。人们普遍认为,不受控制的比自身更强大的AI是危险的,这是一个合理的直觉。 目前AI领域存在多种不同的发展理念,这些理念对AI安全和治理产生不同的影响。单纯追求经济增长并不一定能带来积极的社会结果,经济增长与社会福祉之间并非简单的正相关关系。AGI可能导致人类劳动价值归零,这将对社会经济产生深远的影响,而我们现有的经济理论不足以应对这种局面。当前AI领域权力高度集中,这可能导致科技封建主义的出现。 将自然界的平衡状态与AI治理相类比是不恰当的,自然界充满了竞争和暴力,而人类社会需要建立规则和制度来维护秩序。我们应该重视人类的福祉,并采取措施来防止AI对人类造成威胁,这并非以人类为中心,而是基于现实的考量。

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Connor Leahy and Gabriel Alfour, AI researchers from Conjecture and authors of "The Compendium," joinus for a critical discussion centered on Artificial Superintelligence (ASI) safety and governance. Drawing from their comprehensive analysis in "The Compendium," they articulate a stark warning about the existential risks inherent in uncontrolled AI development, framing it through the lens of "intelligence domination"—where a sufficiently advanced AI could subordinate humanity, much like humans dominate less intelligent species.

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TRANSCRIPT + REFS + NOTES:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/p86l75y4o2ii40df5t7no/Compendium.pdf?rlkey=tukczgf3flw133sr9rgss0pnj&dl=0

https://www.thecompendium.ai/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connor_Leahy

https://www.conjecture.dev/about

https://substack.com/@gabecc​

TOC:

  1. AI Intelligence and Safety Fundamentals

[00:00:00] 1.1 Understanding Intelligence and AI Capabilities

[00:06:20] 1.2 Emergence of Intelligence and Regulatory Challenges

[00:10:18] 1.3 Human vs Animal Intelligence Debate

[00:18:00] 1.4 AI Regulation and Risk Assessment Approaches

[00:26:14] 1.5 Competing AI Development Ideologies

  1. Economic and Social Impact

    [00:29:10] 2.1 Labor Market Disruption and Post-Scarcity Scenarios

    [00:32:40] 2.2 Institutional Frameworks and Tech Power Dynamics

    [00:37:40] 2.3 Ethical Frameworks and AI Governance Debates

    [00:40:52] 2.4 AI Alignment Evolution and Technical Challenges

  2. Technical Governance Framework

    [00:55:07] 3.1 Three Levels of AI Safety: Alignment, Corrigibility, and Boundedness

    [00:55:30] 3.2 Challenges of AI System Corrigibility and Constitutional Models

    [00:57:35] 3.3 Limitations of Current Boundedness Approaches

    [00:59:11] 3.4 Abstract Governance Concepts and Policy Solutions

  3. Democratic Implementation and Coordination

    [00:59:20] 4.1 Governance Design and Measurement Challenges

    [01:00:10] 4.2 Democratic Institutions and Experimental Governance

    [01:14:10] 4.3 Political Engagement and AI Safety Advocacy

    [01:25:30] 4.4 Practical AI Safety Measures and International Coordination

CORE REFS:

[00:01:45] The Compendium (2023), Leahy et al.

https://pdf.thecompendium.ai/the_compendium.pdf

[00:06:50] Geoffrey Hinton Leaves Google, BBC News

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65452940

[00:10:00] ARC-AGI, Chollet

https://arcprize.org/arc-agi

[00:13:25] A Brief History of Intelligence, Bennett

https://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Intelligence-Humans-Breakthroughs/dp/0063286343

[00:25:35] Statement on AI Risk, Center for AI Safety

https://www.safe.ai/work/statement-on-ai-risk

[00:26:15] Machines of Love and Grace, Amodei

https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-loving-grace

[00:26:35] The Techno-Optimist Manifesto, Andreessen

https://a16z.com/the-techno-optimist-manifesto/

[00:31:55] Techno-Feudalism, Varoufakis

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Technofeudalism-Killed-Capitalism-Yanis-Varoufakis/dp/1847927270

[00:42:40] Introducing Superalignment, OpenAI

https://openai.com/index/introducing-superalignment/

[00:47:20] Three Laws of Robotics, Asimov

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Three-Laws-of-Robotics

[00:50:00] Symbolic AI (GOFAI), Haugeland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_artificial_intelligence

[00:52:30] Intent Alignment, Christiano

https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts/HEZgGBZTpT4Bov7nH/mapping-the-conceptual-territory-in-ai-existential-safety

[00:55:10] Large Language Model Alignment: A Survey, Jiang et al.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/2309.15025

[00:55:40] Constitutional Checks and Balances, Bok

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/montesquieu/

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