Climate Change Is Over, Jewish Tunnels In NYC & SF Ends The War | PIRATE WIRES EP#30 🏴‍☠️
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We don't do that the matter. I think that he feels that she's wrong, but I think the climate thing is not working. Why on earth could you possibly care about palash an israeli you genuinely believed in apocalypse? How dare you? AmErica said it's time to build and the heydeck jews of new york listened.

It's just to showed my .

opinion discussing a war on the other side of the country at sanford. And cisco obviously has nothing to do with and it's like we all know it's stupid. Everyone knows stupid.

They know it's stupid. You know it's stupid. What's self welcome back to the pog guys. We get a packed show for you today. First, if you you haven't checked out the ryan Peter s in interview, we just did this week um more but I did this week cryan you definite checked that out? We're going to touch A A little bit of that today but it's a great conversation about the crisis in the red sea, the shipping crisis in the red.

See the trade create the global trade crisis that have been catalyzed by the uh whoo these blowing show up um in attempt to provoke a broader regional war over israel. It's great episode and if I can say is a great episodes, my episode, but it's really it's right and doing that really there is so I think I can say IT it's great. You should check IT out um subscribe and more like good news here so subtribe share comment um and let's just get right into IT I am dying to talk about great thon bird uh, this is not someone who I know I avoid you know she's like this.

She's catnip in away for a certain kind of online poster and I try to, I mean, I nip, I nip the cat met, I do but for her IT just seems it's too obvious, it's too easy. It's why do IT it's the evolution for me though. So they think about greathed bourg, the sort of autistic climate activists from northern who is worshipped or had been worships for years by the left, is a kind of vm I don't know, dota of misery and human deceleration uh she's really embraced the propane stine movement and um I guess you could call IT probably free policy move the promos, move many perspectives.

The the interesting thing to me is not palestine, homos, israel, whatever. It's actually changed her primary focus for the first time ever. She's never waive red from the climate thing. She's been very, very committed to just relentless focus on really the collapse of the united states, right? Like not very interested in china and a in india, very interested in amErica in europe, a briefly pro or entry nuclear.

I think he kind of wavered a little bit on that for a moment when he realized how impossible us to defend the idea of german uh germany shelling nuclear plants and burning coal um but uh but now it's like she's wavered a bit. What first have you all noticed that? And then I have some thoughts on maybe where I think I might be coming. Love to hear thoughts on IT and to .

start river I me take on the and evolution first kind of well thing that she's river for a while choose reportedly corresponding with you bar like were right each other yeah um yeah I want a para .

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give me he was vironment I mean IT doesn't really surprise me. Um the propellant stuff I think is more I mean it's it's a bit a part of like the far life in amErica for a long time. But I think even if like in europe, it's more of a mainstream like political issue for the left, like the big people who actually get elected, like social democratic parties in stock. But IT is um yeah is weird that like this is her new hobby hours because SHE has been very militant and staying on the environment thing it's kind of hard to tell wine like I I don't know because we've been all sorts of other crazy attach cities and uh you know bad stuff going on the world um that he has a really bad attention to so I mean I really have no idea why. Um maybe she's just like like the rest of us just incapable of escaping just like the rett was um sort of push to say something on social idea about this conflict.

I would agree with that had SHE wavered really at all publicly and to see no no waivers, what I really think is he has I think that he feels that she's wrong. I think that she's I think that is oh I think the climate thing is not working.

The climate this course is which is crazy because on one hand you cds relatable headlined still um about the sort of coming apocalypse and what not but even when the democrats spring the stuff up in debates IT does IT IT feels like their hearts not really in IT anymore. It's not like I what was in college in two thousand and six seven and um when I think i'm much sure when an inconvenient truth came out but IT was around that maybe two thousand five or something um but some more of o six and o seven. There was a huge conversation about the end of the world. I was in boston out of the um the boston phenix which was an independent newspaper there super lefty they all were but as with the globe, they were good message with the same across all the the papers .

um there was also big il do you ever peak .

oil was around two thousand .

and five and that was people were panicked about p oil is a funny to think about .

now where we're just like others like endless oil yeah actually problem because we're going to die if we keep bring IT.

But that scared me into being an environmentalists at the time.

I I I nimble that the the an inconvenient truth sort of native I really was like, I mean, I would never link dam I mean, he showed me those charts and I was convinced I thought the world was ending. The phenix straight ups said they said large parts of boston would be underwater by now, by today.

Um and while i've been thinking about this and greatest evolution and wondering, you know what is going along with the climate stuff, not in terms of reality, but just in terms of the discourse, which is kind of what I tend to live, what I tend to think about, I started to think about a cossio cortez came out twenty and nine and said that we had twelve years before the world ended due to global war. And I wonder if in the hints I know that, you know, I was five years ago. So we have seven years left to live, right? We don't what where is that? There should be a countdown.

We need to be like need to be tracking this, right? That feels almost like maybe that was the height of of history, global warming historia at that point and um and even within fires were happening right you had all of the the california wildfires maybe like a year later they really tried to pin that on global warming but I didn't feel as like as much of a secret cow there was plenty of criticism I critical ted myself at the height of what you might look back out and think of as a unique cultural authoritarian moment where you could not speak um i'd no problem criticized and that narrative and uh going after lae management and um and and bizarre laws and things like this and um I don't know IT IT feels like a little bit over and he feels like on sun level greater kind of moving on to a new topic no matter topic. I mean, like as rivers you mentioned, there's always some popular topic that is sucking people who are on the internet in.

She's always resisted IT, and now she's not. And that feels, I always really believe, that he really believed this and really cared about IT. And this is certainly a sacrifice to that, right? Why on earth could you possibly care about palace and israel? You genuinely believed in apocalypse was on the table like nothing would be more important than standing message and she's clearly betray .

that SHE no longer before and when SHE, the late tony turns as when SHE kind of popped up. And that was really the peak culturally of like the climate do at first, reformed. Just a great movie, but it's like about like you like a prize to like becomes basically like the a you have a shit town, which is that that huge N T R pog asked about the guy who basically kills himself a sign I, uh who because he thinks that the world is going and he's also like mentally o and cause of a gay I or kind stuff is also a great pog as there's a lot of really great art that came out of this millenary and my death cold um and also unknowing itself like Greta tune burn but like IT IT really was like this weird cultural moment where I think that um I obviously think I had a lot to do with trump where like IT wasn't even necessarily about the climate stuff like IT on the service IT was but like people I guess like a like the liberal portion of amErica had this impending sense of doom that was actually coming from I think there increasingly politic like increasing political relevancy and so they like the last song of this thing this like climate thing that have been around since as you said like algis documentary and um just sort of like really really played that up that now um I think bines the president um he has really done anything about this issue but this new uh sort of you know the house right thing is come up and like that is kind of replacing IT as like the uh the moral cause of the day because IT shows that like even when democrats are in power, like there's still awful things that can happen and like there's something you can do about IT.

I see where you're coming from with that, but it's very and you can say that the palestine stuff is anywhere near as advocated as black life's matter and that started in the obama presidency and still the like of the that did not that he was out there are talking about black lives matter of this knowledge and if he did, if IT was that everyone post somewhere, maybe someone prompt someone now is going to buy that it's not like, I mean, great IT is committed IT is like really has become a the policy things become A A big part of what she's talking about um where's black zed matter would have been brock obama the president he's a black president. Still this is happening right that's when the conversion begins. And um and of course like this country actually has a history of racism and a race conversation and like this this is a IT was very sensitive to uh spare acute american conversation in a way not to say that racism doesn't exit elsewhere but this pacific is sort of like the black White conversation is is our conversation drove the whole country crazy and still um IT IT didn't IT didn't IT didn't sway the the the the hardware as maybe back then great that was a little too Young maybe .

yeah and also swedish. They really have anything to do with and was not really anything do with israel pass on either.

But you know what? What do you think? So one of that I always say that one post from grade, where she's with figure of people and the holding up palace science has SHE been on this for since OK over seven. They're like.

what's the history started? IT started a little conspiratorial. There was um. At least I thought I was a great I was IT was the octopus IT IT was when .

um um .

first blew up back in october, the grad took a picture and in the picture was um with her you know crazy activist friends was this plush octopus and the priest real people rigged out they were like, this is like clearly a call back to these antisemitic cartoons that were illustrated in newspapers back in hitlers day and they showed all the the octopus is and like the jewish architects that were killing everybody was like that's fucked and crazy like it's it's a stuffed imo is no way SHE memel took IT down as this thing started.

Which is was my first single where I thought, wait minute that is quite odd because I if someone was accusing me of anti symmetry sm for a big stuff animal, there's no way in hell I would apologize. I would at least be confused long enough to not take a thing down. You would be like, wait minute, this is crazy.

SHE didn't do IT was an immediate thing. And then came all the palace stuff and now i'm like, you know what, I think that I think that octopus really want to make that metic actives. I don't think the bird likes juice.

I really don't. I'm going to say IT isn't SHE. I mean, IT sounds.

I know she's not german, but sounds german. Got that that like fascist energy. I don't know him. I don't know. I call the best I see you that's just .

because she's scand in navy and I think but I mean, I I think that to me great. A part of IT in my mind is that she's getting older. I don't know if she's like query a or something if sheen will be quiet um but IT just seems to me that great is also falling prey to this kind of in this house we believe ideology, which is the sort of unifying thing of like in this house, we believe in a black lives matter.

And would I were some environmental slogan and all these different things that are packaged into one in this activist, these activists, leftest circles where you you see IT like in berkely, for example, where they're having a march this weekend for people's park and free palestine. And so, okay, what's the connection between this, like land development they're doing in berkeley and free palestine is not clear, but they'll make the connection of this has to do with, like helping symbol turn people across the world, and like international solidarity and all this stuff. So I do think that on some level, I agree that you maybe greatest alignment with palestine is now sort of a concession that maybe the world's not ending tomorrow.

But I also think that there's just this like broader leftist current that subsumes all causes within this one overarching like activist narrative. And she's part of that. Now.

what SHE? What SHE up to in general, how to make to SHE like her way to make money? what? What does he do? Does SHE go where around and speak to advance her? What's her?

No idea, i'm assuming ing saudi benefactor's because of zero evidence, but I would be the best possible story.

So that's i'm sure he has like some speaking fees. There was like britten of booker, something her parents like ever since to start always, always as weird because her parents are like, her mom is an actress and her dad is like a finance guy or something. I don't know, like they just seem like the type of people who would be like shuffling.

They're like child autistic child protection around as some sort of like, I don't know. The linaria left is like ten revival pressure, you know, to me like he had a weird he was like a weird child. Profit saying that was that was definitely .

the case during trump member. When he remember that mean where he was, he was caught looking at trump with a really mean face, and everybody was like, a sunburn.

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everybody, everybody, that audience.

I think what IT all IT was IT. I in my mind that was like the Oscars or something. And SHE went, there was some huge audience where he stood up, up.

everybody. SHE was like, you have destroyed my generation and all, all people like, how dare you? You are so right.

Greta, thank you. Like, crying. It's is weird. SHE does SHE stripes like S N M purpose. Is there a paci cy thing about IT where people want to be purified by, like a northern european Young is like, what is I really, really believe in on some level? You see that a lot on on the hard left is like a weird city of masisi. And you saw also with member at the height of all the, like, america's race war, those White people were nearing down before the black people there are the whole .

crowd of White never never like asked.

literally asking for the abuse and sort of thanking them for IT and they were giving IT to him right? Like both besides were totally IT was totally consensual um that's weird sex thing that's what I see when I that that's definitely what's happening. It's crazy and I feel like it's also it's it's um it's it's not something I want to see in public right? Like if you want to do that, you can do that in some wear club in like in this the convince of your bedroom. I'm not i'm still a little bit of libertarian an about that kind of thing like be weird and freaky somewhere else, but not the other kids.

No thing that made that a little bit weirder too, was that I was in some random public park. I noticed that like in where and licked the barbecue, e area was just like they gather to do IT. There was also that image that went around if like polo sea and a bunch of democrats wearing .

the .

Candy rican yeah like I don't know yeah african cloth and Candy clothes all nearing yeah .

and like the the specific design, I think I believe is from the asia t empire, which was like a giant slave .

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didn't address that and IT never came back up again。 It's like gretch going to pretend IT didn't happen. Hey guys, thanks for listening to the pie wires pod.

Make sure you like, subscribe, comment below and share this with your friends. I do want to be quickly note on my climate after there was a this phenomenal tweet of p budges. Um uh this was a few days ago, he waited that, uh the greatest threat facing the supply chain today was climate. And this is kind of one of the pieces of the climate thing for me where IT really feeling the conversation is fAllen off. Um I mean, nobody thinks that nobody code did he had no support from the mainstream impress.

And the reason is obviously because there's a crazy terror campaign in yemen that is shut down the first global shipping, one third of global shipping um again in an attempt to proto provoke the americans into war in yemen, which we catalist a broader war surrounding israel, which we discuss with ryan this week and IT just like that data be a belive ously to such a clearly pressing thing is um that people are over IT including people on the left in california. The fires are used obviously to absolve people from their own poor decisions whether IT be uh in lame management or zoning or you know P G N E culpable of this um and just in general, I ve wrote this piece once a few years ago, global warming in my homework and and that's what I really started looking at this stuff. As you know, I think there is some truth to the global warming stuff.

I do think that men made global warming is probably true. And I do think it's going to have an impact on the world. I think it's not clear at all with that impact going to be um I think dramatic change is always something to be cautious about. Uh, but I think that mostly the people who talk about IT don't care about IT at all. And so we have them talking about something they don't care about, what something else that really matters, which public infrastructure um or in this case supply chain um is is crumbling and we need them to focus on those things and to take accountability for those things or nothing gets Better at all. Um know what you guys think about that just kind .

of seems like election year rta c to me um apparently like oil production is at all time high in amErica right now, but binds not mentioning IT because IT would not be good for him to mention IT currently. And I have to wonder if like but a judge is like it's about climate change, but he also knows that is actually about the otherwise it's just really depressing if if we just actually thinks that this unsolved climate change problem is what's going to take down global shipping. And I don't know what is going to do about IT if .

you really believe if it's so simple as we've been told that and i'm going to take them, the word I going to take cause you at her word, that seven years from now the world is going to end because of global warming. And the reason is because of all of the carbon that we dumped into the atmosphere. The more carbon that you dumped the atmosphere, the warm of the planet gets okay.

understood. So obviously, what you need to do is not only stop producing carbon, fuck that you to the quest or carbon, we have ways to do that like we prove in ways to do that. Um we could be ocean sitting right now, duck iron into the ocean, spiking the planting growth.

That will be the quest in carbon, be spiking fish populations, and maybe IT does toxify to see, but IT prevents this crazy apocalyptic thing that were being told, you know, potentially a runaway Greenhouse effect that leads to, like, a Venus like atmosphere. That's very scary. If that is on the table, why aren't we talking about peace, dramatic carbon sequestration things? And the reason is because I think it's a little multi faced.

One, people don't really believe that. People really believe that this is going to be end of. What's why you have people buying croppy in the tucket still? And two, I think the global warming probably works out for some regions and then does really poorly for others.

It's actually pretty complicated when you start talking about um you start talking about global climate because if we were to cool the planet quite a bit， europe would be screwed. And um it's like obviously, every region has a different they have a different they would have a naturally different desire for for the for the weather. You don't want you you don't want super extremes.

But within the margins, if you had that kind of control, we would never be able to go out to agree on what to do. Um okay, let's I want to move on. This is a totally different, like a wild ly different, could not be more different topic, a very strange topic. AmErica said its time to build, and the hesitate jews of new york listened. They have since to build a bunch of tunnels privity um Sparking a tremendous wave of incredible press some absolutely phenomenal means, uh, including one viral video features an N Y P D officer in point the phrase we all do this in amErica but in that awesome accent I want to please play a clip of the guy. 都 去了。

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okay. So that accent is my mother. My mom sounds like that she's from new york and SHE sounds like that and IT is a IT is like a strong suthing accent to me.

There's nothing that could be happening where a man like that with that accent comes out and lays down the law, where I don't feel a little bit Better and he's been kind of like my guiding light rope the entire process. And he really is how I feel about at all where these tunnels were discovered about a month ago. Cement truck comes in to fill in the tunnels.

There's like a huge fight. 为此 seems like there is a conflict between a radical group of seeds and like the regular for seeds and some how these ttl are related。 None of the reporting i've been reading IT on in the year, times of what not, no one seems to really understand what's going on. What we do know is that the sort of less radical things, I mean, that these are radical to begin with, but the less radical of seeds are really upset about these tunnels, and they're really worried about how we're going to play publicly. Um and so I am just sort of like, I don't know what's going on here, would shut IT down no more tunnel doing tunnel .

yeah the ones who duggin a tunnel, they're like this. We're busy on executive hoses who think that the masilo was this rabbi who's like dead now but like a loved I think like where I think they're like trying to dig to him .

or something so ever this is this is a break off sect .

of of houses during the time.

Yeah they think .

there was a as A I thought I was just I thought the the the shoe or the organization that apparently responsible, accountable for this, they put out a letter that said, basically like there are some rebel rousing teens that did this and we ride so we condemn .

that's where he starts to get fishy for me. And that is why and i've goten idea group chat with uma, use names, but is one friend of our uh is very sensitive to the israel staff. And and and he was really mad of slaughter at the ttl memes because they're phone sorry and I was just like and grow I like grow they're funny.

And if you can accept that then you have enormous problems like you like democrat spacing trump and saying he wasn't funny in two thousand sixteen like that's why you lost he's obviously funny um the tunnel means you're funny uh but he was really sensitive to IT and kind of seeing the central question that I had about them casually which was like, you know why are so like lips talk is uh north aox due and she's super involved in instead of like that community and he immediately amplify the counter narrative about these being these kids they're not like everybody else say it's like this very whatever thing and i'm thinking, like, why are you so sensitive about some tunnels? Ls, it's just funny. Whatever, we're shutting the tnews down, who cares? Like why are you freaking out about if the average person wouldn't care?

Um I think this great part of this story and and partly the overreaction is because they don't want there to be abroad way of antisemitism um because IT doesn't make much to come to catalyze the railway prevent timetenants m online and yet I still, why would they think something like this would Candyce a broad wave anti I semesters m IT wouldn't IT as a tunnel there's something else in the story that I don't quite know what that is yet and all sorts of crazy conspiring theories that are very vial, and I always say their conspiracy is I see a lot of people saying really orrible c things. Comments on this IT is alarming. Uh, there is more to this story.

It's not all just funding games. No, you know, another messianic jew in a tunnel who is alive again. Mean, we've all in this story before.

Yeah, I be speaking of that. Like, I mean, people should now be like spreading like crazy. You know, spiracle theory, but White to say that like no other religious group people that nobody else they like. For instance, if there if they came out that like uh please store like uh seminarians at like a catholic school or something, we're secretly digging tunnels under like a giant catholic at the dro people would also be like, yeah there's something weird about that you know what they make? Like people .

would be what they I don't can you I don't .

the big people. I mean, can you body to point that out? That fair. I mean, like in well.

we've seen we've seen what is done with those tunnels like we actually know why those channels are being built. Like it's happened again. Again.

you secret d tunnels. It's inherent suspicious because they are with what .

IT is absolutely a fundamentally rejections. IT is absolutely not. I don't understand this if there are some random like tunnelled sound fun.

Who doesn't love tunnel? S I love tunnels as a kid, I want to, I don't tunnels do the snow. The idea of tunes are like, like, like, there, there. They are winners. And they like, is the, what were the secret?

I think I have to defect salona. I mean, secret tunnels are inherently .

suspicious .

if they york like the Harry and .

is trying .

to defend the secret tunnel, it's a little suspicious.

No, it's suspicious that they that's what i'm always this mysterious I agree that reaction suspicious. I don't think I think let them have tunnels.

It's like that clip of chis croker when he was asked, um Chris, this is the liberty allow guy he said, Chris, what do you make of britons hitting run and he was like, you know what guys, britain is an icon SHE is I don't think he said she's a legend letter hit and that's how I feel about, that's how I feel about teenagers digging tunnels if they are teenagers. But I don't know, like the reaction was suspicious. I wanted know what I do. I am curious to know what more about was going .

the worth that actually took a queue from the protestants. And see, we have like a weird unassimilated ted, like the group of uh, religious people call the amh, and we keep them in the pennsylvania ia countryside. They could be digging enormous like they could be hiding.

They can have missile silos under those barns. We don't know and nobody cares or thinks about IT because they're kind of but these people are like in the middle of new york building the tunnels. So then IT becomes like an issue for public concern when people are like hearing yd sh in the walls and like and be IT kind of dangerous like. So could just follow, you know what I mean.

yeah, I got any thoughts on the on the on the jewish tunnels. I mean.

i'm curious what the engineering know how required to build these tunnels was like? Did they actually IT wasn't clear to me looking at the tiktok and the reading some of the stories I briefly read, like how they actually dug the tunnel. L IT seems pretty sophisticated. So the guiding .

in my group chat, who is sensitive about this, that there were no tunnels, there was like this one. And he he had this code kind of thought that he was spreading about IT. And then I saw more headlines this morning about there being turtles.

So I know a great question. Yeah, I don't know. Like, how do they do IT? Someone need to interview more tunnel? The good.

Why has no one got to we should interview that one of the tunnel, one, one of the one of the digits we should. Let's trying, let's trying to get one is on the podcast. I would I have a lot of questions.

actually. I think that the degree of a time and effort involved in digging the tunnels would kind of, to my mind, make more clear whether not this is, whether not there is a sinister dimension potentially, or a sort of weirder dimension if it's just innocent teenage fan like, okay, teenagers taking tunnels, I don't know, sort of randomly ly without the the knowledge of their higher ups um or like a sophisticated tunnel in Operation for some brother po. Yes.

even even if IT .

is like something that's not exactly above the level, that isn't necessarily mean it's like a secret uh like moi and like a child to acridity culture something because like, okay, if you live in self to or new york in your gay guy, you know that the houses are all rider like the advice, just like everybody else is and maybe they're being a unneutered, I don't know, drink smoke crack of this whatever they're doing down there. You know it's out of our business really unless unless ssi are doing something kind events and know that maybe .

I was offered money for sex um by anaitis gentle man back in my new york city days in my early twenty years I would like a holy shit they used to hang out outside of a bar that I liked my friend alex is to hang on this bar match polton and they would hang out at this bar IT was it's a gay but it's a back that I was like like alternative gay bar. So like they played call music and I was a day bar. And IT was blimps.

Ert, so they take out outside until end of the night and they would come to use the bathroom sometimes. And he was very strange to see like a citic jews outside of like waiting, not just outside, like waiting outside of the gay bar. I think to pick guys up.

I don't want you know what much to give any inferable motive here, but I do know that I was followed home and right outside of my home, a where my mutual friend with brand, and actually the person who introduced us, this guy, ryan m, who lived, we were very much back then. He was the first floor. He was right there watching the whole thing go down.

And the dude, he like, hold up and he asked, where, uh, is like, hey, I was like a hey, I thought he wanted. I don't know why I got the sense, want the directions and I still love giving people directions in new york city is that made me feel like new yorker and like, oh no, what's going on? Um so like, what's up and he said, um you know where the good gay bars are?

I was like, oh shit. Like you and you like he had to fall on. He was like the hat in the curl. I like, that is like a dark, like your life, my sock.

I felt bad and like this guy um is closeted gay guy looking to kind of like break out of this crazy cold like religion that he's and he was to explore his sexuality have to like I want to help him i'm like, um yeah there are there a couple and three went out he said sugarland like, oh, no way. You don't know a sugar land and sugar was a club that was crazy IT was wild. Like you're not ready for sure to arn.

Like you need something work key. I'm sitting early. Try to help this man.

I'm like, you should go to metropolitan. Like people are nice. There is like a nice little bar, whatever.

And then he puts his hand on a pile of money and he goes, you wanna come with me and I was like, I have to go but thank you. Like, I was weirdly confirmation, but like, absolutely not. And I really, this is not your first time i'm doing this.

And I really felt, I felt stupid because I really thought I was helping this guy. But in the end, IT was a funny story, and I love to collect those. So that was my, yeah, that was my jew outside of a gay bar who follow me on the story, which they don't all do.

I'm not saying all jeos do this, certainly not all juice, definitely an oyster atic shoes. This is a random story about um this crazy city of an new york where lots of cultures come together and we actually happens like for examples, sometimes they are tunnels. Um saga take us to the same for cisco cea spire conversation speaking of palestine zis rule oh my god.

I mean this topic I just IT feels like buying into the brand circus ses but basically safran cisco. So last month, deep pressed in our favorite ite millionaire xie introduced a resolution a for calling for immediate ceasefire in gaza, also in antislavery hob a antisemitism, whatever was the symbolic resolution that he introduced that the board of sy perviz's last month, and I was actually there at the meeting when he introduced IT.

And there was a massive line of people who gave like six and half hours of public comment and for context, you can only give a minute long speech in public comments so there were a ton of people who showed up to talk about this um and he made headlines and do you know ceasefire resolutions were popping up in city councils all over uh the country. They had one oakland around the same time. Um and so the resolution was then sent to the rules committee um as part of board of supervisors procedure where IT was discussed this past monday. Um because you know they have to sort of propose amendments to IT and then IT goes back to supervisors for a full vote. Um and so what you had was another six and a half hour long meeting on monday in the rule's committee where um a supervisor in matt dosy proposed an amendment acknowledging a atra cities committed october this LED to massive debate among the supervisors and then another interminable round of public comment we're by the way, one of our new favorite severity scodl rupa maria who is A U C S F doctor um who circulated this like insane charon.

This is the one who said .

that femicide leads information.

She's also the one he just blew up.

SHE blew up because he was circulating this like theory about haziness doctors uh harm their patients since we need to have like a an inquiry and designers doctors in the U. S. And heart patients .

of color sign as doctors are dangerous to the health of patients yeah patients .

of color yeah exactly. I mean, IT was basically just like weird information that jewish doctor I mean by sign as I seem he means jewish as well um are somehow hurting patients of color was an sane thing. U F, F ended up apologizing and saying that they disable tired racist conspiracy theories anyway, Robert shows up to give comment among hundreds of other people at the board of supervisors um and they end up sending IT back to the full board which then on tuesday spends another six and a half hours like if you tell you this up, it's like you know almost a full day they spend discussing this, discussing the ceasefire resolution and eventually they prove IT eight to three um and this is herod ded in publications like the chronicle and the standard as like this massive statement that's going to make a huge difference in the war.

Soi, how who's a favorite call a mist of mine in the standard writes this piece about how this is a really important gesture because it's showing that this major democratic city is kind of repudiating joe ian stance on israel and that this is going to make a big difference. Um and it's just a shit show in my opinion, because they spent I mean, people don't realize there's only three board of supervisors meetings a month, full board of supervisors meetings a month and they spent two of these board of supervisors meetings, one in december and one in january. And then the rolls committee in of course, this week discussing this entirely symbolic resolution I mean an insane use .

of of taxpayers um literally discussing discussing a war on the other side of the country that amErica is not even officially involved in, that sanford n. Cisco obviously has nothing to do with and it's we because like we all know it's stupid. Everyone knows is stupid.

They know it's stupid. We stupid um we the israelis know it's stupid because I just saw them we having a clip about how stupid IT was everyone knows is stupid and yet I do I don't wanted to laugh at IT. I think IT really is so important because this is how governments across city government, specifically across the country are fAiling.

It's IT is like this total um absolving of themselves from responsibility for the actual job of the city government which is to make the city less study locally like you have to be focused on your city IT seems crazy. Have to say this. And yet IT does feel like that is one of the biggest problems that we're facing as a country right now is like these people are not they are not doing the the most basic jobs possible.

And then when they do dip in, and so it's like obviously there's the there is the feet nal crisis and um all the drug overdoses that you rote about this week in the lower park. The chronic problems of uh in physical, the gutting of retail, the collapse of the uh fruit jobs in sappers of people are about working in sanford is good anymore um you have assisted in the local economy IT still hasn't recovered from COVID. And then when you have a problem that is sort of in that the pathy on of problems that safe to school has something like, for example, the closing of grocery stores in areas whether they are to weather grocery stores, the solution is not to solve the problem by going after the criminals who have made IT untenable for people to open grocery stores in the city.

The solution is, as the impression suggested, um to force the store to stay open somehow. I don't even know how that is possible. Can you walk me through what happened this week with that?

Yeah I mean, what it's not possible basically. So dean, again, dean is behind the ceasefire resolution, which is an unexpected solution completely in bolic and again at this past, a tuesday's supervisor meeting introduced a resolution urging safeway, which is a grocery store, to reconsider their decision to close their location in the film mall.

People familiar with temple to go there is a safeway massive grocery store, pharmacy and bank in one uh on in the film such western addition um which is deans district and um this safeway has been there for forty years but for the past few decades honestly has been plagued by rampant and increasing theft um the parking law of this safeway has also been like a defacto open drug market for a while um like back in the summer of the safeway like was blast in classical music at night in an effort to discourage people from dealing drugs. Uh in the parking lot they've tried a ton of different things to reduce the rampant theft that plagues all pharmacies and supermarket. The inferences going in, they had at one point you had to show your shopping back to security guards, but that wasn't working.

Or people are saying they're being racially profiled to the implemented these like automatic gates at the self check out where you have to scan your receipt to get out. But safeways basically saying, look, we are not making we're not now making a profit on this branch. The of the numbers don't work out.

So they're selling the property to a real state developer. They're r relocating all of their employees to different safeways across the city um and they're leaving and you know this a lot that they're selling is almost four acre s it's interestingly enough, zone for both residential and commercial properties. So what you could have, if you know people like dean are willing to CoOperate with developers, you could have affordable housing built there. You could even have a new supermarket built there um and by the way, they're opening up traitor js around the corner from the safe way um but you know dean response to all of this is just to introduce another resolution saying, hey, let's not close the safeway um and he you know has this kind of hysterically speech that you can watch in the portal sy revisers where he talks about how really this is repeating red lining and he sort of implies that the safeway employees are racist because they want to leave a blighted neighborhood um which is not what they said I mean we're going to play .

the clip let let's see one of the this is like your standard, I would say um concerned san Frances in over something that has a very simple solution and let's talk about that after the clip. I was deeply um anger to hear about the studying enclosure because IT is not only uncaught able IT is cruel IT is mean IT is is hardening to think that we have to come here and one is twenty four to defend food and food justice IT is pledge.

When you look at the demographic of the people who live around that, safeway IT is a lot of seniors. Where are they supposed to shop? Where they supposed to go? IT is not only a grocery store.

IT is a pharmacy. IT is a bank. So here's the solution, arrest the people who are robbing the store, and then all of the problems go away.

This is like, obviously, this comes up every single time a drug store or grocery store closes. And this has happened many times over the last few years. We've been covering IT for A A long time.

Every single time the response from the i've never seen a supervisor actually get up and trying and pressure this like force essentially stored well, not force OK. It's resolution. It's just some stupid pagenet ary.

But i've never seen that before. Usually what happens is, like counter narrative, is that these stores were leaving anyway. They were never going to stay there.

IT has nothing to do with the crime because they don't want to solve the crime because they believe the crime. I don't even know honestly who even knows this point when I don't want all the crime. I'm so lost in their narrative um but.

For that to be true, you would have to believe that all of these anti theft measures that they put in place serve no purpose, right like that. Why did they do that? Why did they put all of those anti death measures in place if they were just going to leave anyway?

It's like the solution is so obvious, it's right in front of your face. All we need to do is prevent people from robbing the store blind. And we'll have a grocery store and and we can do that.

And so the negros y store, and that is just the way the world works. This girl here, her mental model of how of what the world is in, which, like, there is just like a cup ball of two or three guys, White guys, who are making all of the decisions. And we have to just petition them hard enough. So like make sure there are grocery stores that you are able to just rome and take whatever you want and walk away without paying anything is so divorced from reality that it's like that's not a person that we're ever going to be able to reach. That's not a person we can have A, A, A good, a real conversation with, so GTA reach everybody else, everybody who's up by this stuff, those the people that we have to write to you, those people we have to speak to, and we ve got to get them on board with voting for people who are not like criminally insane, anyone else. On the topic of grocery stores.

well, just to add one thing, I mean, I think that a lot of this comes down to the fact that people like dean and this woman and other people who think that these closures have to do with like racism or whatever, are still stuck in a world view where all the people stealing from these grocery stores are like single mother's stealing baby formula for their kids or something like that. Um but we know that the theft and 3Francesco is part of this highly sophisticated drug economy where you have addicts who are basically boosting large amounts of goods from supermarkets and pharmacies， selling them to middle men offences um you know for cash and then using that cash to buy drugs and this has been very well documented. Um what house has a great piece on IT but it's you know they need to sort of break out of this insane in idea of whose robbing stores um if they won't understand uh why IT is in fact not deeply unfair ing racist .

to prosecute that I really I mean present .

seems so sick. This is a total abdication of responsibility on his part. I can't see IT any other way.

How could he actually think that the problem of theft is moms seeing baby formula like I could do? This doesn't map into onto reality in any way. And he lives there, present ably, I think.

that he believes, he does believe in the communism of at all. He really does conceive of the world, even though is a multimillion air in a multimillion door house, the exactly the kind of person who should not exist in the communist world, right? Like a target, if you're having a common revolution, the bush walzer sitting right in front of you.

He does believe in like class, a small class of capital people sort of just abusing everybody and sucking the wealth out of them and he also believes, I think truly an is hard of hearts that you shouldn't have to pay for food and for clothing and for shelter and so if you really believe that, then like it's really hard to get you angry about someone robbing a store for food wishes. He's always in a frame he's never like. I know is they are buying they're buying this iteration in you know ten of the time and and razor blades and whatever else to sell literally outside on a blanket which they're doing to make money to buy drugs, which is legal and sentence is go effectively.

He doesn't make all those steps. He just says, like, I don't care that someone robbing a grocery store because that should be OK. There ouldn't even be a Price tag.

And I don't think that's crazy to say, because every time this conversation comes up online, the democratic socialists of america, of which he is a part he remember, they say this explicit on every time it's the subjects. So like that is the level of crazy that we're dealing with. Um they are a minority and I think we've gotta get to a place where we can say, like, you know what.

we don't need to talk about .

the the virtue of of of stealing anymore and like you guys are just like no logo. Welcome to the conversation. We should shut down these public, these public like hearings and share, like we don't need to need those. Why do we even to have those they needed with their job? And if they fail with their job, their fire the end.

It's also interesting because like every actually existing social society in history and criminalized stealing, like you could not just steal shit, like you would gets into a giloh e or jail or tortured, like enforced IT much more harshly than like any place in the west does. And I get out of this weird fantasy where, like, you know, like under social is just like no rules.

I mean, the soviet union, like he is illegal to be home because they did like, to their credit, like they had a higher own mother ship pride in the united states. They made, I mean, they made there was like, shy at by brutal as buildings or whenever. But like if you didn't have a house, you could go and they may put you in like a unheated bike, nasty based or something. But like you could not just like sleep on the street, like they would arrest you because they were like you're being a vagrant and you're being like a parasite on society will give you a place to live but if you don't stay there, like we're going to put in jail and like, I don't know that's what social m actually looks like in practice I can what actually .

work and to go yeah because I lived for you that's where his thinking will take you.

I would just maybe mad you can cut this in, but that I totally agree river I mean another example is miles greatly forward um they would they would basically go through farms and collectives on farms and look for um farmers who were like storing away more of their crops than they were um admitting that they had because the state was taking all their crops and basically partitioning out to them and saying this is how much you can heat of your own crops and these people who who he would like a source some away, some extra because they were all now nourish and basically dying of davao were being up and you like like you said, sent to the to the local gool log or whatever they had there and so yeah, it's really good point to make.

Fortunately, it's a point that we are now permitted to make. Well, the truth is I was always permit to make these points on twitter. No was ever silencing me making part of communist st.

That to my to the credit of the prior order was always permitted. Um but there is a new water on social media uh I want to talk about about about this don lemon, who we last saw. On a debate stage in C N, N, A little panel discussing the future of nickey hai. And he believes that nicki Haley was sort of over the hill past her prime. And this was because women hit a certain age.

And are there no lot? I don't even honestly, he didn't really connect the dots um he sort of awkwardly stated that this was specific to women um there was push back from his two female colleagues uh which I being in IT is not my mind like oh like the woke schools I was like, what does he mean? I it's like, that's weird.

Uh, he didn't just say, oh no mean something else. He was like, you can google this like go do your own researched and sort of lying that he had discovered that women like past a certain age are really not capable of doing much. I think he was, I don't know, maybe was like a puzzle thing that he was talking about.

Long story. sure. He was fired. And that was the end of don lemon, who, until that moment, was considered like one of the wall skills himself.

We haven't heard much from dawn at all. My assumption was that he really went through. No meaningful change at all.

Is a little bit older now? I thought he was just rich, going to retire, have a nice life? No, no. He is now launching, we learned this week his own show in the vein of talker carlin on twitter. And in IT, he introduced language pro twitter used the word x anytime someone says x and that twitter like, that's an inland boy.

That's a man on elland side so he's like, thank god of, you know, for free speech x, we're going to have like real open conversations and all this kind of stuff kind of refashion themselves that people are want him to get to be conservative. No, no, no, no. He's going to be a both sides guy like this is going to be a both sides bro would be like, i'm the kind of guy who sees both sides and I talk to everybody it's got to be what IT is. But the big change here is just that. I mean, on the place, like the vibe shift continues, this is done limit now on x saying yet new on elon endorsers the show um and and I don't know the rest direction of a formally cancelled get yet to go on twitter I hope he goes like fool.

like manos here, like man's rides activist or whatever because of the woman you want let's talk about family core you like you just really like it's .

yeah I think it's definitely within the wheel. I mean, he is a gay man and there is just like certain kind of, we all know them. We all know that. We know that. We know the game is thought there is, and I think most are not. Truly, I is something like radfoot to say, and it's totally not sure this is like in the vein of rocks and gay cousin of clouding publicly saying that drag is women feel like it's like women face.

It's like that kind of red family at all I don't it's not true of all gay man but there are some gay guys who are dislike not here for women and done them in which one of them not saying no based on his past provence um see yes is there but IT brings the the question of like the over to window and the wide of that twitter role in really seeking of clock day, you know the firing of clotting. Gay, I think that really happened on twitter. I read a lot about that this week in a peace called over to collapse.

That's concept. We've been talking about a lot in our chat brand. You had some stuff the retaking about you want to kind of relay on that broader topic. Volte media landscape.

I I guess I C S, as as being in the middle of a have a super entrenched, it's like it's like a war war one of what i'm calling the consensus war um such that and this is this is not a unique take. I think this has been around for quite a while, but we really, truly don't there's three hundred percent of the country that doesn't see reality the same way as the other festival of the country.

And its such a huge difference from how IT was before um in slack I brought up the fact that um between the six years and the eighties water water crown kite was anchor of cbs news and he signed off every night um with this phrase he would say and that's the way IT is and this was like for me and I I think a lot of people think this um a symbol of like when there was actually consensus on reality in amErica um you had like basically one information source, even one person dining like what is reality and during crack at um ten year C B S you had huge geopolitical advance happening you know yet like john london died. J F K was assessed ated. M L K was assiniboine huge things that everybody sort of only had one place to go to for the information.

And today were kind of in the opposite position. We have this like terminally fractured information environment. um. Where nobody nobody .

agrees .

on on anything. And I think I again, like I brought up in the chat, you know, I I think that there the reason for this, or one of the one of the main reasons, is essentially social media algorithms that identify your preferences and serve you content based on that. Um as long as we I think of have those algorithms, the consensus problem is just going to become more entrenched. And unless like a idea breakthrough, the each side, I don't I don't know how that happened. So I mean.

I think that even without those algorithms, we would have this consensus. I think that allegorist M S. Pose a slightly different of very different. It's maybe that a little bit that problem. There's another problem, which is that it's a different kind of search right in the early two thousands when the internet was first coming on that really for Young people um who are flooding to IT, we were directing our own searches. You would go to the internet and look for something .

and would be over push yes.

this is being given to you and IT is endless and IT is IT is that's a whole other very interesting conversation. I would love to um odessa pursue a little bit more in the coming months um but when he comes to reality, like I think that that was always to be charged ed, that is just what happens when you chat. A monopoly.

And there was a medium monopoly throughout the twenty century that came along with some things that were pretty ain't st right? There's we've lost a lot, but we have also gained something. And the thing that we've came is like we haven't had consensus for a single war since the internet sort of went online and um and we did previously or enough of the consensus to get us and disappear.

Ty, nearly situations that you know, looking back, I certainly think I think many people think we are really at no business being in um and there are any number of things that any number of points where you don't want consensus on something. So the really crazy things you want people to be disagree ein in sharing different opinions. But then when IT comes to the really basic things like IT would be nice if we can ridge consensus on the obvious stuff like for example, math is not racist and and we need roads to be open.

And um if a grocery store is being robb blind, it's not because of systemic White supremacy and capitalism. It's because someone is rob, a lot of stuff and they need to be put in jail. And those are the things you know yeah where we've lost consensus completely. There are Normal hard.

There are no more hall monitors on the major platform, certainly on twitter at least, who are policing uniform narrative um and in that new vacuum or now you have both the internet at scale and no is no more institution of social media censorship, at least political censorship on x um we are seeing an opportunity for people to get a lot of attention to achieve like weird little actions um in a way that they have never had before but no like unifying movement yet I think I don't know maybe one of these things you know could grow into something bigger. But for now I just feel like IT feels pretty chaotic and like anyone's game which is driving people to do very crazy things this way. I know about the other thing specifically.

Like you, you now see both. You have opportunity on the right to take out someone like clouding gay who is a powerful the ibur crat. Um but then you know you have a backlash like we've never seen or maybe we've seen IT, but it's an immediate backlash is from the press that is coming for his wife.

It's like a nasty fight in both directions and that's because everybody he's actually capable of doing a lot now um it's chaotic, but you can do stuff, you can build new things. You can get a lot of eyeballs really quick. Companies like pie wire exists that never would have happened thirty years ago because who has time to build an actual like newspaper situation deal like distribution and stuff?

No, i'm going to publish IT and send IT out and people like they like IT and they do. Thank you. Got spare your support. Anyone else starts on the open collapse. Well.

I think that like I I mean, it's reach to like a nationwide level now. But I think that for my whole life I grow up evelina. There was no like shared consensus reality between like my family and like the rest of the country. And you don't realize that growing up. But like IT is true. Like every you know, there are separate like eventually radio stations and T V stations, like talk about the news but it's like hard to true that happens and like all this is a punishment from god for a like automated or you know or you know things that are happening in the middle is are like because of the book of revelation, is that that sort of thing? There's a lot of people who in a sense, I think like everybody's kind of become like an event of algo now where you're living in your own sort of world, where you're like seeing these major events happen, but like the way that you're processing them is uh just completely unique to you and like whatever yeah and you're .

like so you described .

to right and like you can really see IT from from another perspective. Like you can't concede that like I don't know the war iraq has like actual like you know material history and like pushes impose and things to do with like economics and like um you know the history of uh naas or whatever like IT that is done actually just something from the book of regulation um in the same thing with like crime and White supremacy or whatever.

I think because in separate from anybody being able to speak or related to anybody be able to speak online came a new um title wave of information. We've never had so much information before. There's so much there's more information is I feel like being minted every day online in terms of pieces, tweet clips, whatever then probably existed in whole decades before the internet um that is going to mean that for whatever believe you have, you not only are there are other people you can find, you have that belief, but you'll be able to find quote, evidence for anything that you that you think is true. And so you really can just construct like your entire reality online based on you know, citations and sources. And even when people talk about this with that study, like I I, there is not a debate on any heal topic where both sides are not throwing studies at each other and um that is partly the study, it's partly a failure is what to understand what studies are in the scale of studies um and it's it's I think mostly people writing about studies and um and creating really just entirely the false frames on everything that's that's reported and so that is just yeah I mean, that's the that is the world that we live in now and is one of crazy formation. K chaos also can .

you can content creators can monetize that's that's a content creation opportunity there, right? So you if if every tribe online or what have you want to call IT needs content to to fill their universe, right? Like if they need evidence for their beliefs, that's an opportunity. And that's actually happening. One of the things that i'm thinking about now is that I don't know if you guys saw this, but a mainstream publication that an analysis of IT was a teens journey on tiktok and IT was specifically focused on the frequency of, I think, war footage, like sort of grisley war footage that showed up in their feed. You see that um once the thing starts showing interest in war footage, it's like first every fifth video is a is war footage and then you start seeing every video after you know twenty videos is war footage and again, that that springs to be back to like algorithms are really entrenching us into the situation. And if you combine that with the fact that now content creatures can monitise, which IT isn't a bad thing, is just what like we're paying people to to add add fuel to to all of this and it's it's really interesting crazy situation.

We had a in interview really to apart to the conversation with um ben Smith um early on in our part in the pirates ire history was me ban and we talked about a lot of this. This is a problem I certains read about for three years um since pie wires existed like this is a topic super interested in. I think that that's going to continue.

He will just get and I think I will get worse. I think I can only get worse that the alternative is monopoly. It's speech policing in the monopoly ation a single perspective and it's like it's just as bad, right? But with different, different bad things, they're different negative extra lives there.

So I do think that the chaotic information landscape is safer for us, but we need responsible parties with internet landscape to be curating information and acting in a matter that is noble, you know, like really trying their best to weigh the facts and tell the story. And then for us, I mean, I think I think there's no I don't believe in unbiased. I think there we're clearly bias and that's fine.

You have to own your biased and say like this is what I believe and this and this is why I believe IT and um and people need to to know that none of this no more of the twenty of century I have no belief that nearly am the truth like that not I don't know that i'm a walter croker guy um I like this side of things Better but we have a lot of work to do on the curation side and um and interesting building these changes that can be more respected and and kind hampl fine them in what not and I think that we be already to be talking about this more because once that IT Normalizes people are on the same page like that is the high level problem we need to find these new sources I think will be a healthier words for all of us. I think there was a good place to end. Yeah um you guys IT has been real as always um definitely be sure to back up and check out that Peterson interview if you have in check out our pieces this week.

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