Elon Changes X Forever, Nationalism On The Rise, IVF, Anti-Pride, & Gen Z Wants Blue Collar Jobs
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Ella must just hid likes, which is very interesting. I just think that no one is going to be really liking almost anything.

Also kind of worry that like twitter just becomes important sight after this.

like the book picks, he's like, good for human. Raging controversy is I, B, F, O, K.

or not? I'd like to sphere of the right.

So last week, this account called only a of piller. The handle is.

My speaking of heller, I would like to talk about nationalism in europe.

What's up, guys? Welcome back to the pod. I am at math brand new studio, so give that a shot out in uh, the comment.

Also, before we get started, please rate reviews, subscribed comment, whatever I want. Like as many comments as we've ever had on youtube, I just in curious what that would feel like like anything you're thinking. Just fuck and say IT and let's get this conversation going.

I want you to give a warm welcome to the one and only ashly same clare author and journalists joining us today, stoked to talk to you about everything from the new twitter likes being hit in to the one and only honey hitler um IT also like european nationalism. Ibf, we have a huge packed show today. I want to start, however, with the place where we all live.

X 点 com， you must just head likes which is very interesting. Um so four years uh there was the question um I mean you have you have likes you have reeds tweet and what journalists love to do was a dip into controversial comments and see who had been liking IT. So I guess there are people out there who maybe we'd done enough to like something publicly that they wouldn't have people to call them out, uh, on publicly.

And this became a sort of weird kind of generals. I think years ago. I was like five, six years ago, I remember this being a thing where people will talk about the likes that people that they would talk about this sort of very a celebrity likes of bad things, problematic faves.

Um that's over. The reason it's over though is not really because of this dynamic of people should be able to like the content they want without being called out on IT, which is how IT was framed by elon on twitter. Um the the real reason is because we're sort of just broadly across all the social media platforms, getting away from your follower graph as what constitutes the sort of content you're going to be seeing and uh, leaning more towards engagement.

So things that you're pausing to look at, things that you're clicking, commenting on liking. And it's in twitter best interest on the algorithms m side in terms of giving you a great feed to incentivize you to like a lot of things. However, um why we've seen a boost in uh elan managed IT straight away since he made like private yesterday.

Um I actually don't think it's gonna IT IT seems kind of cool like you know a lot of people in in favor or of this um for me as a twitter you know I guess addict I used the like as a kind of soft endorsement of something both the book market and also just to kind of give IT like A A suddhoo you it's always been kind of public to me it's like a soft retweet um i'm not liking things just for the halliday and now I struggle to understand what i'm going to be liking things for at all like what is the point of that um now if it's not public, it's just my own private list of of things that i've like. I don't really get IT. I don't know how you guys feel about IT. Actually I see you on twitter a lot. What do you think about the likes?

I think it's kind of a double edge sort. I think it's most important for acts right now because they have an algorithm issue. And I don't know if you guys have the same experience I do, but the algorithm is all over the place, my four u page all over the place.

So engagement is really gonna them marine in the algorithm and find out what people like find tune algorithm. But I also don't like IT in terms of being a journalist, and I can see what a government official is liking. Now I think that's really important.

So I replied to Christianity today who does a lot of engineering at twitter, and I said, you know, hey, we should have these public for at least government officials. I do agree with you that I don't think it's going to last long, but I think x desperately needs to fix this. I grow the issue, and I think this is the the fastest way to do IT.

I just wonder if I definitely wanted know what people are liking. In fact, I use the likes to go in and see. Sometimes people comment ambiguously, and I can't quite understand if they are attacking here.

Not so well, go to their lives and just see what kind of person they are and figured out that way they're useful to me for sure. I just think that no one is going to be really liking almost anything. I I just right now, we have that habit, that habit.

Part of that happy, I think, is public. So we will see agree, I would like to see IT. I don't think it's going to last because I I think that I believe that in the likes will go down and this will be less useful for them on then they think IT will be on the algorithms.

Ms, do you think the likes will go down? I don't know, because the x and twitter IT was kind of the only place that had a public likest p to which was really interesting to journalists. But you, I don't know that instagram maybe gets less likes because they don't have a public like tab.

Maybe x could implement IT to where you could search IT. You know you if you tap on the x then maybe you can see like or search them similar to instagram r or something like that. Um but IT was a really unique feature to act to have here's a profile tab for everything you've ever lived.

Yeah that is I had not considered the instagram parallel and I think that you're right. So you know what do you think well.

I feel on instagram, I wonder if there's kind of a divide between people using x as a IT. almost. It's a more professional APP, right? A lot of maybe I formed by the fact that I used IT for professional purposes, but like it's an APP. People talk about current events and the likes were a signaling device, right? I mean, use them to say, I mean, I use them slain a simple way that you did kind of signal when I agreed with things occasionally to bookmark stuff but they also have the bookmark features so that sort of felt to perforce after a certain point um and then to look at other people's like sometimes just for fun to like get an inside look into their personality or something or see sort of what weird corks they had.

Where is an instagram? I guess I just use IT for personal purposes and it's sort of like um know you like pictures to tell your friends or something that you uh you know proof of their of their content um so I I and I kind of personally resent the idea that I have to like content to tell the algorithm what to give me. Um IT feels almost like to analogue. It's like i'm programing my own algorithm very intentionally and I ve already noticed today. I don't know if if you know the change has really taken effect, but that my algorithm has served me a lot of content from like three specific accounts that's .

right right now. Yeah, it's like I have a few people that IT will edges, showing me everything theyve ever written and something definitely a miss. And that's the brothers is happening with twitter or x at this point is just they are in the arena trying things.

Yeah, twitter was not. Twitter was frozen. IT was stagnant. IT was the same thing for years and years and years. I was thinking every day and this is peace that we have coming out monday. I think we're targeting.

Um but if you think of a lot of the early products that twitter released, so you have um under elon, you had uh the subscriptions, you had the blue check for pay, um you had community notes. These things were incubated under dorsey, they started OK. It's like that twitter had been working on these things forever.

They just aren't shipping anything. Um this is different world now. He's shipping things constantly and and this like features is one of those things. I think he'll figure out if IT works on and and then adjust accordingly. But the algorithm is where it's would you really feel that where you just you feel almost every couple weeks, you can feel real shift in in the way that your own content is treated, what content you're seeing, it's pretty interesting. And what was your take about this?

Um I think if you go by islands in tent, which is to allow people to more freely like what they actually like without fear of retribution, then like clearly he he intends for the algorithm to be like more pure. I think there's an analogue with reddit. People understand, okay, by liking this thing, IT will be boosted more into the algorithm.

It's time just like a vote, just like an up vote on redit, in my opinion. So I don't I don't see IT as like you need you need to train the algorithm for yourself. I see IT as IT becomes the sort of like contest where the thing that gets the most likes is distributed most broadly.

And that's the thing that most people want other people to see. So it's like an advocacy situation. Yeah, I also kind of worry that like twitter just becomes a potency after this. If there is a lot of people.

do you want the one .

on whatever? And then suddenly there .

was that tweet about the, I think he was unassuming. IT was an only fans creator because he said this stood like like eighty other booo picks the .

moment right right after the lights ent private he like this.

went on her.

Yeah, he's in twenty twenty one now.

Yes yeah ah he's like all away because I been waiting for years. Tell much I like good for you, man. Yeah well.

I I don't know this step. I mean, I don't know if anybody here knows how much engagement point account get versus a average .

big account. Um um part of IT seems unable. Unbelievable to me. I don't understand why someone thinks this is you're safe like in content when almost explicitly the reason for this is to improve the algorithm, which means there is a record of your lives like like IT feels like there's more of a record now in some sense. Um so I don't know.

I guess we will see I think we're about to see just how simple people are. Um one thing people expect is for the likes to explode on like based right wing or even extremely right wing content. And um that's an open any question, I guess, just how that sort of stuff is growing online and how this is going to affect that?

I've already sort of noticed IT, and I think it's what has resulted to a certain extent, the mainstream of some topics wanting in particular um is fertility. So uh, there's a whole big bucket here. The one I want to talk about today's ibf because the southern baptist convention just voted to, I guess, condemn I V F.

IT was a sort of. IT IT was not in a grand slam. IT was there. There are plenty of people plenty about is to, uh, spoke up and defensive IT. One interesting thing I learned they're like votes.

I'm catholic, so I know about sort of like a magical creased king and he decreased things uh, this is much more democratic and I didn't realize that was interesting just to learn about that southern matter in amErica because they sort of indicate the direction of the event. Ical, right? And to come out against ibf is a big deal.

Um so uh now online that is sort of the raging controversy. Um you know is ibf OK or not? Obviously, the problem with IT among the pro life contingent is ibf generally speaking.

Um in the process you create a handful of embryos and select the healthiest uh which was sort of seem to someone whose hard core pro life um like the destruction of life, uh regardless of the life that he creates. So I think that maybe the the moral question that they're answering, I think I B F is great. I think it's sort of like almost unambiguous ly good based on the number of human beings that he is created.

Um i've met at this point the number of adults who would not exist worth not for ibf. And um I have a lot of thoughts on IT, but I want to know what you guys are thinking because the debate is sort of reading right now and I IT does feel suspiciously close to the election like a the democrats are going na get a lot out of this. This is a very popular issue um even if there are plenty of republicans right who are using I B F IT seems to be in their favor. I don't know um actually what you .

think I D like to call this the retarder sphere of the right. This is exact like there there are these people who are really loud but have actually no influence outside of the internet, and they tend to be the loudest and the stupidest. And for whatever reason, the right has become the perfect caricature of what they said the right was for so many years.

And now all of a son, you actually want hand made sale. You just want ivf. It's all reproductive issues. And I think there's a couple things going on that I want to know. One is that the eventually als do not have the strong cold that they did um during one truck first rate right because the republican party has really become the truck party.

Now IT is the mega party um what trump says goes and trump has already come out and said, I V of is awesome um abortion that up to the states we love that we work all of the via of more abies and here we have the most divide of out of anyone. So he's already really taken a sense on this. So the issue though, with these retarder sphere republicans, is that democrat opposition researchers, this is the best day ever because they can make so many ads out of IT. And then there's going to be there's going to be voters, especially women voters, who are like this is actually what the republicans believe when it's a small contingent that are really writing on this grip of reproductive rights for women.

Um which really kicked up after was overturned because after row was overturned there like we can grip in all fifty states now and so turned into this big industry of reproductive rights that they can gripped on um and this is really prominent when you look at the fund raising of groups like life, the action, which is a proof organization, you look at their fund raising, they're raising thirty million dollars and only twenty thirty thousand of IT of thirty million is going towards actual grants for crisis pregNancy centers, whatever. So these people are ideologically and consistent. They don't actually believe these things, and I don't think they have a lot of influence, but I think it's really important to shout these people down because they will be used for democrat opposition.

There also, I mean, they are britain used to refer to this as writing hell, and that's very much this is like a very um dark corner of the internet. Very angry IT is very uh, the I feel like the tactics not I feel certainly the factorial tactics used are pretty malicious sort of inventing fake sex crime type stuff like that. That's the space of the internet that were in here.

These are, I don't want to characterize all of them as this terrible in silly type, sad people. I think a lot of them believe in what they're saying, and they feel empowered to speak for the first time in a long time, which is an import, I understand, given for years. You really couldn't express any kind of contrary opinion on this stuff.

And so they have a lot of opinions. But this is one where not only do I think there are just totally wrong and ibf is really important. I especially now we're talking about fucking population collapse and like, but what if we had less kids? What are you talking about? Pro life.

Are you joke? Um separate from that, it's just tactically retarded remark. This is the election is in a few months. What are they do IT why now i'd like do not understand why they're making this an issue now.

Um actually, have you been following the legislative activity? Is kind of tracking this at the same .

time a little bit, but I know there's initiatives in a lot of states. Um there's a lot of issues being put on a lot of ballots right now or so.

I'm reading that the senate is actually expected to vote today on a democratic bill that would guarantee access to ibf nationwide and is expected to fail because of G, P. opposition.

Which is weird because ted cruise just put something out. Yeah, I don't know if you guys saw that, but ted cruz said, you know, I asked for unanimous consent to pass my legislation that would protect ibf, and democrats objected to my bill. So they're doing this back and forth.

Now we want to be, you know, the same years of ivf. And what happens in the in the end is women just end up getting used as parts as we do every election. So they're both same the same thing.

I wish that I had looked at the bill today because my assumption is they're probably introducing others shit in both and no one wants to talk about either. So f is just the the thing that most people like that everybody's hiding behind. And maybe really we're having a conversation about abortion again or something else like one of what the democratic build. So what else is he going to qualify in, in the in the sort of sphere of reproductive rights?

That's I mean, that's one hundred percent. Ue, I can't wait till rock and analyze these bills or read them or ChatGPT and just read them and summarized them for us and tell us what other garbage in that. But I think we really kid how much attention nowadays is like Caroline.

Um so you give these people a little bit of attention and they get a little bit of cloud because um this was a really controversial thing to say on ibf. And then they keep going and they need a harder and harder hit. So they get these harder and harder steps.

This, but these people are just attention addicts for the most part. And I really, I just don't think this is gonna very far with I V. F. I think abortion is going .

to be more than that out. I am willing to bet that the republicans wanted get this shut down as quickly as possible because this is going to be mean. Ibf is a huge deal.

Women are having a lot of fertility parents, couples are having a lot of fertility issues these days. Ah IT is a bad partisan issue and IT makes no sense to be having this fight right now just technic separate from even the morals of IT. It's like tactically really, really bad.

So I think you're onna probably trying to shut down, but we will see we'll follow IT on. But speaking of dumb people online who have a lot of power, uh, I know what we were maybe going to talk about writing or not, right? We were maybe going to talk about the european ride in the rise of national. I would that minute I I do, I think I want to go to honey hitler first. Brain tell us the story.

OK like a saga so last week this uh account called honey adou hiller um the handle is petite retard yeah I just like kiss. So he this this account they started going viral basically um because he started posting um what appeared to be like take downs and allegations of fraud of influencers and what is known as real estate twitter and like real state twitter.

I don't want to try to explain that too much but but like the influencers there kind of do these long linton style posts where that are like parables, right? It'll be like, you know, in twenty twenty one, I was twenty years old and down on my luck, you know, and then at all, like, and and you know now he makes two million dollars on five separate side hustles, right? And this is like what characterises this area of twitter that that honey adolf IT layers targeting okay, so that's kind of the setting where all this is happening.

Um now hornie filter went viral first with a post about the sky called nic cuber and in in in in this thread on the account analyzed hubers like he's got a self storage business where he like buys up distress self storage facilities and then you like mark up the Prices on storage and then makes a profit. So this thread like analyzes the sky's businesses is business the fundamental and basically concludes that you know this business is probably underwater and its investors are gonna lose a lot of money, right? So that like goes that that was like the first moment for honey as he like goes viral with that you know and shortly after that he targets the skirl called uh, cody sanchez, who is sort of in the same world he is an influencer um and he he basically claims that sanchez who sells consultations where he charges like two thousand dollars of course or consultation for business advice that she's actually lying about her history and I didn't work at, for example, golden sex for as long as he says he said right.

So generally like he's like taking down these, like to be fair to him, like somewhat annoying influencers who tend to like use their use their linked in style twitter post as top of the fund for like ultimately like getting getting one of their followers to pay them. Hopefully all that makes sense. And you guys feel free .

to just jump in and ask questions for my seat. IT was pretty obvious that once he started going, his dms were just flooded with people who hated these people who are like I A hot tip on so and so you need to talk about this one oh get her like she's the worst and like you sort of said there a lot of these people suck that were being targeted um but pretty fast for me I looked at that and I thought I don't a lot of this doesn't seem real or IT seems complicated at one point he went after um he went after what's his face? The morning brew e Austin from morning brew for having a fund and is likely you don't talk Better anymore is like that he raised the fund is why would what are you talking about? This is how this work it's like he went after Jason IT was um for only one of your like IT was like one company of of ten or something did well I was like that kind of analysis and that is how venture works and actually the one committed incredibly well even by by hurting hitlers reporting reporting on this um I thought that seems Jason's doing Better than I thought and this is a man listen not trying to defense in calkins nsa every day though I do have a lot of respect for what he built with the alien part and we can talk about that later uh but he was Jason. Jason didn't do anything wrong, honey here or just didn't know what the fucker was talking about and I I wonder how much of that seems like a lot of that brain would your assessment be like a lot of IT was just he did know what he was talking about a lot.

I mean, when you start looking into the specific claims um now he makes so many that I don't want to generalize completely about this, but a lot of them are very thin and some of them are so thin he will be like quote, tweet, somebody saying, you know, quote, tweet like somebody putting a chart up that shows the revenue of their side hostile, like going up and reaching a million dollars and he'll be like nobody believes you made a million dollars and it'll get like tons of likes and retweet and that's the whole thing. It's like, okay.

well, I I don't .

know what the allegation is, but it's clearly like I understand again, like why he's targeting these people is because they are annoying, you know and like there's the sub surface, like light, like yeah get up type thing, even if it's not even if what he's saying is not true or doesn't have much substance.

So I would go back to just really quickly, just like I wanted tell the whole story of sanchez Z I mentioned that he alleged that sanchez kody sanchez was lying about her but I looked into that and um he uses a thread in which he says in again, this like a knowing parable format that SHE was at golden sex for years but then further down at the end of the thread SHE correct that and he says, oh no sorry like I actually made a typo and I couldn't edit because there was no editing at the time because like jack was in charge and elan had not taken over and I actually did only work there for two years, right? So that was just like a big why and that that the honey postcollege four hundred thousand views, right? So like a lot of the stuff is like it's not even real.

So this is where IT gets interesting. I started to look into actually I I had some contacts, so I reached out to in the real state community, real state twitter community, and they think they know who honey hit learn is basically yeah. So I don't I can't say this interesting yeah .

I don't know one hundred percent .

like this is all kind of like deep lower so you know take a with the Green of assault but basically there's this guy called and people in real, say, twitter think he's horny hitler and if that's if that's true, horny hitlers actually like a really bad serial graft.

Tor, who's been for the past, like five years or so, creating and growing all sorts of social media accounts, running scs, getting busted, then like going dark and then reemerging for another scan. So under various social accounts, this jack of guy, again, we don't or not sure he's hornsey, but the jack guy is alleged. I mean, he's not horney haid off or you might be horny actually, honey, eight of hillers post if you look back, or like a really sexual and weird.

that's a always like it's this combination online of like the weirdly perverse and also the sort of um contrary political and strAngely um investigative you know it's just it's that's the nature of of social media today. It's like the .

most to generate for ten user has a twitter account and he's he's like publishing sculped on real state influencers. That's really what it's like. But anyway, so this Jacob guy who potentially is warning of failure, he he's known for he at one point he raised bitcoin for kids and then pocketed the money allegedly um he grew a real state in the account to like tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of followers um and started booking money for consultations and then he never held the consultations. Um he was outed for this um there is an article tech runs about him running a scan on police startups.

He was promising to connect them to american investors and like either he would he would like get paid for a contract to not do not like deliver anything, or you would like flip out on the money. He was like acting very oredan actually seems to have a warrant out for his arrest in court. I've got a link that you can pull up map for that um and then the the thing that really took him down was he organized a crypt to conference um thing was called massive adoption and IT IT was like, what's that thing? A firefight right next inside .

of our imaginations in a way that few festivals do in the, in accordance with the laws of the internet today, I would say fireless is one of the great successes in modern history.

But Carry big food looks like to. But yes, yes. So the cypher conference actually just didn't happen, right? But this was after he collected money for tickets for the conference and they were expensive. And he and all throughout the leader to the conference, he would like run these promoters, ets, where you would say you like, you know, by now, within forty eight hours, you'll get like more crypto than the ticket is even worth, like a hotel stay ba ba blaw right? He councils IT and IT appears that he didn't refund many people's money, and he actually get sued for IT. And he asked to declare bankrupt because you can like you can make everybody hole, right? So there's like, that's all the dirt on this jack of guy and all of that is like, allegedly.

right? Like enough interesting. I mean, if this is really the guy, then you have someone who's targeting himself. In a sense, he's he's going after people who he perceived to like him. I I get where the anger of these towards these people comes from.

I mean, instagram in twitter, this version of IT, this sort of my life is awesome version of IT is exhAusting for the average person to see everyday. And IT just builds up a lot of anger and resentment. And that has been the case properly since the beginning of time.

This is like, i'm pretty sure why all the money has a rule about sort of not talking about wealth and dressing IT of more modestly what it's it's survival. Human beings hate to see other people p talking their wealth um and talking about how great they have IT. And uh we are all online.

The internet is super primal and um you it's a ript of all of the weird ni ties. It's people just mobile issues why we saw that dynamic. It's like the social rules are different there and people are a little more animalistic.

And IT was only a matter of time before there was a massive which burning yeah did seem to be sort of neutralized by the fact that I think most people looked at horny hitler as he got progressively more crazed and was like, what is really going on here? At one point there was a picture with, like, him, and Jason calico is like, he had been photoshopping. They were like, dating each other in this picture and I was like, very weird and sexual.

And then Jason obviously loved IT and and leaned into IT. And I just kind of deflate the hotel. I don't know, actually, did you follow at all?

A little bit I was totally uninvolved. I was like, know if he's going to take down grifters, let's go. But someone named tony hitler is probably gonna be a little bit unstable.

And i'm not surprised by anything coming out here are especially if you've got this animosity towards, you know, people and thin to IT, of course, he's gonna a grafter himself. I don't find that surprising. But you know.

god speed on you there. How long before he launched his own like hitler coin? Or, right, like, it's like there IT can be IT cannot be long. So just what do do you make all of this? I mean.

I think the thing that interests to me the most actually is this point about what explains the confluence between like weird sexual, like loudly signaling interest in sex online. And then also this like sort of investigative contrary in type and I wonder if it's just like misdirected a bital energy or something like that.

But IT doesn't seem I mean he I haven't followed honey hitler er either but from what little i've seen from you Brandon on and you guys talking about IT mainly on slack IT IT has seemed like a this weird mem is where he I wonder when he's gonna otis the like attention he's gotten from calling out these people who I kind of find a occur because there like the parable form of talking about their wealth and stuff to me is so transparently like kind of comes off like they're selling your approval scheme just in the way they're framing IT. So i've never even found IT um remotely tempting to like sign up for one of their courses or get a consultation and maybe that's just because like that kind of obvious marketing turns me off and maybe IT doesn't turn everyone off me. There's a reason why it's like as john ra but um I don't know. I think .

that's right. Like to be again to to be fair to honey IT off hit there, but I know the deserves that. But you know, like nick ba, who was one of his main archana mies he's got this pint post is like a twelve elf tragedy for growing companies to millions and annual profit.

And literally like four of the strategies are to pay him for for like doing one of his businesses. So like like sign up for my seo company to establish search presence and like run ads with my google s company. So these I think the backlash is because it's again, they're like selling this advice, but it's actually the top of the fund for you to pay them for them to give more advice, right? And so just seems like the circular grip um but there's nothing illegal about IT. I want to say one more thing um honey, hitler said very deep in the comments of like one of his early posts, literally I am jack so I would I would leave us with that. I have a link to this post and I have .

a screen try. But if you see deletes IT, I don't t down because horny er for motion he posted IT you know .

i've got a screen out of IT so I don't know if he's been a he was joking he clearly knows who jack is um but everybody everybody can knows you check and real twitter seems like .

wise me a lot of I mean I think I am driving in. That impulse is sort of what we saw a handful of years ago. We had A B, C, uh, brags, became a huge account, and he would just read, tweet or do screen shots of streets of vcs bragging, which or is either a humble brag or whatever bragging I mean people this this count blew up um all the way up until the point that brag started targeting smaller people.

And was that happened? The crowd turned against him and a IT sort of blue the whole thing up and IT IT does IT just is it's like a populist impulse and these like populist heroes rise. And I think hor either could have been that and sort of a throw IT away pretty fast, but he could surprise me and and change the game tomorrow.

Um yeah I don't know. I do know that speaking of hitler, I would like to talk about nationalism in europe. Um so. We have um there was a huge deal. Now I for the devoted pie wires span you know how I feel about france and you how you certainly how sagami feels about friends.

Um I I D like friends for a while and interested in friends for a while because I was super like not woke was one of the reasons throughout um this sort of I guess american period insanity from like twenty seventeen onward they are bad on all sorts of economic actions like there are still a socialist government but and woke ness IT was like identity and things like this are like, no they're super based about just loving france and being french um I also read a lot of uh Peters I hand who introduced me to this french french geography and how like go to their geography is in more of the history of france and I I think I think france is in a good place to is in a good position to throw um it's certainly a good position to become more more nationalistic. I think as amErica receives from the world and we saw a lot of that, this was about a week ago, uh, of the european elections, which I would like another disorder of what SHE is great down a little bit what we saw in europe. And then let's talk about its relevance to, I think, us here at home as well because this is really what i'm looking at. IT seems like it's much broader red than europe to me. IT seems like we're looking at a real backlash against global ism globally.

Yeah, I mean, last week there were the eupeptic liam's tary elections. So basically this is europeans electing their p so they have every european country has like a set number of seats in their european parliament um and they get to elect people to fill those seats essentially um and so what you had in these parlimentary elections was a kind of surprising ah in some cases resounding Victories for pretty nationalist uh right wing parties france was the most um I would say clear cut of those cases where you had marine la pens are in national rally against party which one thirty one point four percent of the vote s to the plurality of the vote they be micron is party by more than double um he's the the sitting uh a president there so that was france.

Germany had a similar thing happen where the afd party, the sort of nationalist party there, uh one more than the party of the chancellor, they didn't win and they play second but they want more than all of shortage party italy um moone's party one as well plurality um and you know the only I guess in scandinavia some of the left wing and Green parties took the Victory. But IT was really this pretty surprising show of broad popular support for these parties that we've been told for for decades are kind of not decades for years are um you know these friends extremely far right, in some cases not see aligned parties. And in france, what micron did in response to this these results is he basically dissolve parliament and he called snap elections.

They are going to be held in a couple weeks. And the thinking for him, I think, is that, you know, this is a gamble and he's basically telling french people, OK, if you really want marines la pen um then you know vote for her. And I think he was gambling on the fact that the right winwood fracture and that he would be able to form a sort of centrist coalition that would win.

And yet since he's done that, it's been a total, it's been a total shit show actually for the right. So he might have actually been on to something with that. I mean, basically there's a really there's a great threat on twitter uh, detAiling this that I think went went viral a couple days ago.

But in the past week in france, you've essentially seen the right way loving to lose um because basically what happened was you know all the parties have to sort of come together and present these coalitions for the parlimentary election and the only had a week to do IT in france um and the left we immediately formed a coalition you immediately had you know I think I was like twenty four forty eight hours after he calls the he dissolve parliament you have the socialist party, the party of a man shown they all come together and they they form A A A coalition um and then the right wing there's this sort of fracture where marine le pen's party clearly has tons of support from people because they want of the european parliament ary elections but they're also seen as politically toxic by a lot of these center right people who don't want to be associated with you know um the founder of the party who sort of said some nice things about fishy france and you know made some he's been accused of hola denial basically um and so he's always been the party has always been a little bit like untouchable there um but the leader of the party the republican party which is basically the party of uh sarkoja believes it's support no it's prive shark um the leader comes out and says OK i'm in a line with marine the pen and immediately his deputy say we didn't approve that and we don't you know want to code that basically so this guy uh axial I then barra e himself in the uh republican headquarters in paris and there is like this amazing press conference where one of these deputies he disagrees with him is like standing outside and talking to the. Press and he's like we're going to call the emergency services and we're going to get this guy out. He's lunate. Um eventually someone comes with like a as uh copy of the key and they open up the building. Um and concurrently, there's been this fracture with um marion men with her name Melody yeah Marshalls she's she's marine .

la pens .

relative who runs this party with eric and more um and he has come out and said she's going to line with more in the pen as well and armoir wasn't informed by this so they basically trying to like kick him out because he's politically toxic. Um so this sort of T L D R of IT is that you've seen the left immediately come together um and formed this coalition that you may stand a chance I guess in the upcoming elections I they'll probably win a lot of seats and the right wing, which should have this IT should be able to capitalize on this clear wave of like resounding popular support, is now fracturing into sort of people who aligning with the pen R N R N and people who are basically just sidelining themselves um in an interesting way .

so yeah interesting what happens in if you effectively have one party throughout the western world that controls culture or a sort of one political poll and that's very powerful psychologically. Not the the feeling of not wanted to be associated with the really bad right wing people. I think all of this is being driven by immigration is very obviously what's happening in every single one of these places.

And you know is bad as immigration is up in sweden or whatever. A germany, france, italy, italy is the sort of gateway in many cases ah is the there these the front lines of these things um the parties would not do anything about IT and the demographics are changing rapidly. Naturally, there's a backlash.

And this feels both at home in amErica and abroad to be the thing that is galvanizing people. Um really this maybe animating the the whole right, which is White. So fresh reading to me. When people start talking about things like iv, it's like that's not what is happening right now. It's like if you're not going to to focus on the thing that is animated, people um know what is the point of this political system but I guess was happening in europe.

I I wonder um based on sort of what you're saying here, if that's if anything's going to come of IT IT is a total disaster and h IT almost kills as if you know people don't want to solve the problem. I did say h so you talked about the dissolving of the parliament. Um I saw the red of libertarian an on twitter say, you know SHE freak out SHE freaked out out about this. He was like, oh my god, they're dissolving the parliament in france because the right wing one elections and I just funny how little people here know about anything other than here and and still they have very strong opinions about IT. Um obviously you didn't know like how french government .

worked studies doing A Q or something.

Yes, I mean, i'm sure she's walked IT back now and is praying at all a joke. But IT wasn't a joke. okay? IT was not in joke.

He was like red alert. We've got to save the right wingers in europe. They're taking over the fascist left. Um but I want to happen. It's just like it's it's just crownst shed politics from abroad. Um I I think it's very interesting how similar things are here though what IT comes to immigration and how that is really just ana mining. I don't know the entire the entire political map actually what do you make a bit .

I would agree one hundred percent on immigration um in a mining a lot of this i've spoken in europe at the identity of democracy rallies of spoken with salvi um and we had the pan who spoke at these events as well and immigration is the driving force for all of this, more than any other issue, more than economic issues IT IT is immigration you know when switzerland you have nearly half of all rapes and homicides are being committed by nonce where citizens um and this rate crisis in eype is a really picking up seen too which is switching over some of these cm voters um and that cannot be um ignore the rape crisis there is something that is an undiscussed issue but the women in europe know that it's happening and they know that it's a result of mass migration of people coming from areas that their cultures do not have a concept of concept or rape and so then they're coming into a these countries and women are just told to kind of take IT um and I think they are a driving force for um the changes in europe.

I do think that despite all of the time for Lorry going on, the friends that we're going to see a massive shift in europe just globally and then we're going to see that in amErica too. And I I really do believe it's all because of the immigration issue um and that they're not allowed to do anything about IT that we see cel veni he's facing jail time. This mean I got a jail and these serious laf are actions because he dare red to try to stop these asylum seekers coming in in the ng shipping boatloads of migrants, son.

So I do think this is going to be the end of the yd, uh, for eur. And yeah there is that there is a sense of nationalism finally, for some of these countries that are rejected. Ah this mass migration .

is interesting. The idea of, you know, why might someone be afraid to talk about the rape crisis? And this is obviously the label of racism.

And no, I would disagree .

the fear of being called a racist.

No, I think it's voguish um voguish which is is just maui m marxism. We desire to destroy the west um because when you're woke, you are not allowed to believe those who have less systemic power can do any wrong. So the only woman is the one who holds the institutional power. And so the migrants committing the rape that can be overlooked, those rapes can be overlooked because there is systemically disadvantaged a work world. So I think IT has less to do with racism and more to do with this institutional Walker wer and the on of of these powers in their, I mean.

the muslims it's migrate muslims and they're mostly, I am not right, right like I mean that I think that sort of the elephant in the its people don't want to be going after, don't they don't want to be seen as saying, you know, muslims are rapist or something and I mean we see if down the trump is sill being told that he said mexicans were rapists eight years later um that is the danger in this kind of a conversation.

I think that that doesn't doesn't that term does not affect people the way that I did years ago. It's like you couldn't possibly for you to say so many times and people get them to IT. Um so people are starting to have a conversation about like culture.

You know what does happen to a country when you bring in a non trivial number of muslim immigrants, for example, who are interested in a simulation, uh, you either become more muslum as a country or you have and sort of similar that way this reverse is a simulation um or you have two different cultures within your culture in amErica there is some of this mostly I think it's language base. Um you know people have a hard time of crossing the language bar at first from spanish making to english speaking and you have whole regions of the country where um people are only speaking spanish. I was just I went to a car wash.

I was in my M E. Today, and I went to a car. I should like off the beaten path.

And nobody spoke english there. Nobody spoke english next door. Uh, I needed to use the A T. M. SHE. Because everything was cash only is like there is zero english um that will change over time.

I think our culture similar enough um but the musn't think feels a much more difficult bridge to cross that is a different culture, that is a different language, that is a different faith, especially um there's also a long history of the sort of west first east that has been like the Christian europe first uh the muslim midday east. I mean, it's like it's it's part of it's a part of who we are that conflict has been weirdly sort of um red cond in culture. The sort of cultural conversation is like how long the conflict between islam and in Christian europe has has gone on. I don't know all this interesting me. What have you made of the trans, if anything?

Uh I don't have I don't have much on the on the friends thing um yes, i'm curious what happens with macri.

Want to know saw on the immigration stuff here at home that you have biden saying that he's going to IT was the executive order on the border, right? So that just happened as well. I mean, he's feeling the pressure of this immigration is I think it's like immigration inflation.

These are the issues that people are talking about. I think immigration is the one that's going to determine the election. Um his executive order said that we are going to limit the number of people crossing the asylum seekers to, I believe IT was twenty five hundred a day um so i've been .

down to the border but I can tell you how many times and actually cna ago seeing an increase since this executive border too because even if they legally cross the border, board of petrol picks them up, they go to the processing center and they claim asylum anyways. So what essentially becomes the same process, whether you go through this port of entry or whether you're walking across that equal pass or in luke film, wherever IT is?

So his executive order isn't really doing a whole lot um and they're still dropping them off by you know the thousands of in cnd ago. I'm speaking to officials over s in the ago who are telling me it's gotten worse since the executive order and now border redlich getting you know these orders hey, here's the hard to deport countries. Let's just go ahead and and dismiss this and basically soft, Green light the asylum claims and and so that's what's happening. They're pretending to fix the issue through this limit on parts of entry, but that doesn't do in anything because they're coming in by the thousands everywhere but the port.

right? I mean, I think even if IT, if we were limiting to sound of you say was twenty five .

hundred to yeah.

that was the right number. So even if IT work, let's say that's still almost a million a year. And it's like the problem that we're pretending the action seeking asylum. It's like that's not what are you taught? Like there's not what is the crazy war that's happening you throughout all of south amErica and central america?

Can you explain to me why people are dying like in danger for their lives in every single one of countries that doesn't quite check out of been to mexico, I know there's a lot of problems, but IT doesn't seem that bad. Um I that is first, as long as that asylum thing persists, we're going to have this problem. And also IT seems like I mean, IT just seems like a democrat actually what the immigration to happen at some point you're going to have to sort of acknowledge that.

And then there's a question of and I think I kind of to they might not be wrong. I mean, what I don't I think it's a little bit more complicated than just like they want immigrants to come and destroy america. Um we have a decline population and we have a lot of people that we have to take care of. And I wonder how much of this distract economics question like someone did the math and said, if we don't have more Young people than old people, the society crumbles um and IT could be that simple. Like that is really the thing like we're never going to fix the border or because um there's nobody in charge of a certain level that really wants that.

Possibly a lot of IT is about a labor crisis. There's a lot of giant corporations like tyson, another corporations that are lobbying for these work with us for these illegal immigrants, were seeing that here in new york, you know there having a hard push for the work, this for illegal migrants because of the labor crisis because, like you said, our working population is decrease. And so that is part of IT.

I don't think it's just, you know, they want to come in to destroy the country, but I also do think they want to voting demographic eventually because you know as these asylum and they're going to vote in this election, it's not going to be some crazy thing where they're secretly voting um but once those asylum claims are approved, eventually there's gone to be this push for critical immigration theory and why they should all be citizens. I'm not kidding to this an critical immigration theory is coming and telling you and you know we already had bills here in new york city past to allow non citizens to vote our local elections who was struck down by a higher er court. But IT is coming eventually.

Um and I don't think people really realize the gravity of the situation, especially as IT relates to where everyone's coming from because it's not just south america. We've seen like a nine hundred percent increase in chinese nationals, people from africa, people from middle ast. Um so we're essentially like to open water to the world right now in in untold number.

I think I wonder how much of IT is social media. Um these laws have existed forever. It's sort of it's a loophole.

It's a strange sort of loophole to our immigration process. And once the information spread virally throughout the rest of the fuck and third world IT was just open season. And I don't really blame a lot of these people who want you to come to america. America.

you one of the only people to mention IT and it's so true, mark acr berg and tiktok are responsible for a lot of the dissemination ation of this information because when when you go to the border and you talk to these migrants and you're like, well, how did you hear about this? They're telling me, they're telling me on tiktok we love job. I and on facebook love job by, and then they come here.

And social media s also facilitating their entire transition into the united states. So most of these folks, especially that I talk to hear and then you are group order, they are using facebook to rent out Operates and door ash accounts. They're using facebook to buy ds.

They're using facebook for all of this. So social media, I think, is the biggest factor for us. I think you're absolutely right. I'm so glad.

So I think even more separate from like just the tools that you're talking about, which obviously are being used, the idea of viral sharing in general of information, right? Yes, it's being facilitated on facebook and tiktok because that's where all information is being facilitated or spread. That is the gateway for everything.

Now um we as a culture have never had instant viral sharing of information before the last decade or so and uh we don't quite know what that means. It's we're still encountering this um strange second order effects of that. And I do believe that the immigration it's it's not so much the immigration crisis is the second order effect.

It's the looper of our immigration system being exploited as a second order effect. We can share really good in for important information, healthy information. Um but we can also you know it's like something like this gets out and now we have a rush at the gate and our government doesn't react fast enough.

It's not built to react fast, right? The internet is designed for rapid movement and our government is designed to slowly change, which is important um you know you don't want rapid change in a democratic system of government, republican system of government. IT sounds really frightening actually, to have a government.

Can this rapidly change fundamentally before your eyes? But now IT IT has to move faster than IT is. And if IT doesn't, you end up with I think we're like something like ten million that we know .

of and yeah twelve is a Better as remember. Yes, that's pretty.

But what is almost three percent of the population? Um that's a huge deal that that changes a lot. That changes the culture that um brings all sorts of social strife with IT.

And that has what I would be like a third order effect. Now we're talking about the black fote changing. Perhaps I don't think it's going to really good to trump, but any chipping away of that is going to affect the next election, and that is coming from me.

And I saw these video in chicago and the immigrants were coming in and uh, the town home meetings were almost entirely, uh, almost entirely black locals who were like, what the fuck is going on here and why do you keep doing IT what we keep telling you to stop? It's going to be interesting. And immigration.

I would just say, well, two things. One is also that a lot of them become homeless. And so then you get the massive apparatus of the homeless industrial complex that has been built up over the past fifteen years to cator, to drug tourists, at least in on the west coast. I would have be written about a lot that then gets mobilized to care for these people.

Um and so you see an in denver, for example, a few months ago, the wall street journal had a really fascinating article about how denver's had to absorb like tens of thousands of migrants who have immediately become homeless because they don't have work visas, because they don't have any you know form of sort of financial systems and they've had to cut the budget of like all city departments to pay for supportive services for these people because of course, there I guess there I think they're sanctuary city but also they have know these right to shelter rules and all these new regulations lations about what services they have to provide to people um and so I think you're going to see and the left is gna sort of conflate all of these things, right? And okay, now we have this housing crisis that driving these people onto the streets, but of course there's gonna different cohorts of homeless people that you're going have to sort IT through. And I don't think that's going to be trivial because that comes with a lot of, you know, a second and third order consequences. When IT comes to public safety and public nuisances and all the stuff that .

we've seen forever rence, a lot more people are going to be listening to their iphones without headphones on, let's be honest. Let's just call us .

status spin.

I'm in london and I against IT .

A A people were doing on underground.

Oh, in the your science in the U. K. Right now. What's going on over there? By the way, tell me.

I mean what do you see? Well it's funny the immigration conversations funny because I am am in london and i've often said that like you can it's really hard to find any service worker or store clerk in london who actually speaks good english.

Um they almost all like our recent migrants, usually from eastern europe or somewhere in the medal star, like in the air pakistan or something and it's very, very difficult to actually like understand what people are saying to you um and and there's also a very clear there's clear cultural tension that sometimes comes up. I mean an example, as I was shopping on region street yesterday, which has this really garishness pride flag display. It's the progress flags that everyone seen on twitter, the like totalitarian looking caught fascist like rose of progress flags they have with the .

new circle. It's the new intersect circle. And it's like in a yellow triangle part of IT, a hideous.

yes. So they have this new of flags up for display. And then I, I went to this. I was going to clothing stores and was looking for shirts in the men's section. And these store clerks, these like immigrant store, keep telling me where the women section was. And I was like, why is the matter to you what a like clothing section i'm shopping in? And IT sort of felt like this weird in congress thing, where at once you have this like signaling of the progress flags up everywhere and then there also there's this concurrent like mass migration of people who clearly have very different values um and they are not they're not assimilate ted yet into whatever s left of like the the sort of .

indigenous that is so interesting and exactly what IT is IT is the performance of I guess our values um as defined by the state um while the door is open to people who are you said there are singly I don't really believe that a simulation ever happens ever and ever has an american history we become who we are who's in the country and every immigrant wave brought a sort of update to american culture and um there has always been the case it's things have evolved based on who is here and that's going to continue to happen in every one of these countries that has waves of immigration.

And you see this like through history like this is not the first time, the first time of people I have entered the U. K. right? It's like if you have histories of french invasions and order invasions and roman invasions that have brought cultural updates, um there is no difference. I want to talk about that fucking and flag though actually um because there is this interesting its pride month um happy pride and you last year I mean always saying I was like its anti pride is the first anti pride last year was an anti pride. There was all sorts of pride backlash.

Last year I would say much more backlash actually the target pride backlash was pretty intense and pretty sure wasn't last pride that would have been the sumer of blood lights disaster um I mean, last year twenty twenty three was the D N T pride that in june twenty twenty three was anti pride. But this year would you have a handful of weird backlashes one this e those kids on the scooter um who got arrested for scuffing up the flag in middle the street uh to the masses uh NASA raises the flags are that you were just talking about with that weird inter sex thing on IT um and then three you have the filly pride parade with um the prohibits people who blocked IT off and you have this very interesting clash again of cultures on the one hand the left on the other hand also the left. It's like muslims tend to be pretty leftist st.

And palestinians had to be pretty economically left this but they're just socially I don't know what dark age status, whatever the fuck that is like throwing people out of building something um this is not like that clash, whatever that is not looking forward to IT as IT as IT progresses um and I think in all of this is just a the thing is really captivity me and continues to um it's like IT doesn't have to be this way on that new pride flag which weirdly now includes x people. What is intersex? Sex is a medical.

It's a biological. I don't want to call IT a disorder, but it's us an anomaly. Let's say interesting people have nothing to do with the L G B T whatever movement. They are neither gay to begin with. They are not trans. They are just people who have string sort of um and biggest genitalia is a super rare condition are they don't consider themselves generally speaking to be um you know having an an issue of sexual ality or gender identity problems uh and IT is like they didn't ask to be on this flag like who asked asked to do this. Nobody asked for this except probably some very crazy person who you just don't have to listen to anymore.

And I wish that people would stop listening to the crazy people who are telling you that you have to raise a flag, a pride flag, that has like weird new stripes for black back people on IT for some reason. And also, now look an intersect circle. It's just stupid. It's dumb. Stop doing IT I don't .

know IT seems as it's it's a religion of ideology though. And the I think the final form of this ever changing pride flag is just a solid red background than a yellow hammer and sickle because that's we're working on because I really never see them. And I think this is why people have this like pride fateful.

Because I live in new york city and these flags, all they're all over all the time, I see more pride flags than I do american flags. And IT feels like living in occupied territory sometimes, just like what is going on here. This has nothing to do with get pride anymore.

And then you have you know you're like or it's particulars and why are they doing IT? But then you have people like admiral Rachel levin, who was, you know in military blues finance, health secretary who's getting up and speaking as a health secretary, saying, you happy pride month, but actually not even just pride month, happy pride summer, I declare at the summer of pride so you boundaries from these official points like NASA, like confidence administration and you're like what what is going on here? How IT has this evolved so far from just, you know, I think gay people should be able to get married and .

have right yeah and also just, I mean the game, the flag. So much of this is driven by bisexual I feel like bissell ual are the most overrated, persecuted minority in human history. I'm so tired of hearing from bisexuals who want to be like, I am a woman married to a man.

But also, do you dare invalidate my identity as a bisexual person? Nobody cares. And also you don't even care IT does not affect your life like that you're married IT doesn't matter that you also perhaps in some other world might have dated a woman by the way, I don't think you would have um IT doesn't come up.

It's not relevant. okay? The reason pride even exist, and I will defend prize of conception for a second I can think when you had pride way back in the day, you know, hardly milk era of american history, you're talking about a group of people who were not even allowed to go to bars.

That's crazy, in my opinion. Okay, people should be allowed to do whatever they want with their own lives. And you're having gay men mostly being arrested for congregating just congregating, cross dressing like we're like, oh, don't bring IT to the schools is correct but also if some grown a guy wants to go to a bar in address and dance around for dollar bills, that is his provocative.

okay. And I am in favor of IT. And then on the sexuality side, so much of IT a shame base.

It's like, you know, so much of this persisted because men didn't want to be seen as gay. And so pride was just an alternative to that. I was like, no, we're going to be proud.

And it's like, should you be proud for your sexuality? no. But do I understand? Like he doesn't.

You shouldn't proud. Who cares if if you have straight or gay? That's not a reason. Proud, proud.

I I understand where the sort of that critical comes from, but I also understand where pride comes from. And IT wasn't for this. IT wasn't. so. Ual women, a women bysset ual White women, let's be honest, um could wear a weird identity like pink triangle on their sleeves and say they were special um they have really inflated and destroyed everything and for the gays, for the streets uh and like you said, actually IT is like it's like a really a concrete nation walking through the streets and and looking at these flags it's like everyone has no one is one who is one and there's not a group that's like bank god for that flag the black strikes two men that really, really bothers me because .

anesthetic nine man IT all tell .

me IT is your fault IT IT is your people something from filly? yes. Well.

I mean, I don't think philadelphy is responsible for the international symbol, so we're good on that front. But I the original modification to the pride fly, which is the addition of the black and Brown stripes and maybe the trans color, but i'm not entirely sure about that. But the black and Brown was definitely .

philadephia um basically A B when everything was actually a race issue, including pride and gay people just like gave IT up like, right this is the summer that we ve got to hate ourselves. So whatever you wanna know where flag is fine. Oh, the gay flight, the me, the gay pride flags.

Now a black lives matter. We're five with IT men. We love black people.

Don't yellow us. That's the energy that was happening. And I was stuck with that fucking fly.

Put IT up first. They had a graphical designer do IT, and they put IT up and made IT there like official flag or something for pride. And yeah.

it's so crazy because like what is IT it's implicitly saying and often explicit when you hear people defending on online IT. IT is a statement that is saying, you know, gay spaces or White spaces and now we need to make special space for black and Brown people. And that's not true. I've been a lot of gay spaces in my life and they were always mixed race. Um it's just it's a lies being forced living in bizarre, delusional fancy world that anybody followed the scooter thing I can .

tell happened there were .

they really arrested like what is going I don't know .

if they were arrested, but I think they kept repainting IT. That was the last update I saw. They kept repainting IT and then they just came in with the scooters next morning and what the scuff Marks all over IT. So I think but it's kids being kids too. It's also like, you know, if the kids are told, you know don't to make one of the gay flag, they're onna make one of the game, right?

It's also crazy though to be told that you can make of the gay flag, but flag burning is fine. And also you have people outside of the hum. What was that? The nova thing in new york just a couple days ago, holding holding banners celebrating the actual nova massacre in israel.

This is very different than saying, like, oh, the israel palestine thing is complicated. This is straight up. I'm glad those girls were raped and killed. And it's like, I am a free speech guy. I think you have a right to hold that banner. I don't know how you have a right to hold that banner, but the kids can't scuff up the cross walk that has the gay pride flag on IT. That's a bridge too far for me .

because the inmates are running the asylum at this point, and they've hijacked all of these movements that you did need at one point. You know, like you said, you didn't need pride at one point. My mom, you said, you see gay people get beat up on the corner in the eighties um we did need some sort of movement for for people to beat themselves and to say, you know, okay, this is is okay for people to be gay, but these these communities are really overtaken all of these movements especially pride and now which just is out of control um and that's what you see them all advocating for this this since and ity under one banner one flag that unites all of the .

world ideology yeah it's I think it's itself to feeding its kind of IT has I feel like it's taken the fun out of that entire mean g gay spaces were sort of known for their wild debtor and crazed a reference and and um also like sexuality IT was like very strongly sexual but this thing is both implicitly amount explicit a sexual it's like an a sexual flag IT is the end I think for it's itself it's like as I I believe it's a sort of self to but I I also think your goal is to protect .

gay and trans individuals that this is actually becoming difficult for that that gay and trands individuals are actually facing more discrimination because they have to let all of these cooks into the, you know. Under the banner of this flag and they they're allowed to say whatever because it's all inclusive and you know we're not going to push anybody out as long as they say the right buz words. Um and you're seeing people, especially on you know the far right that are now you know equating just being gay with this radical ideology or equating trends with this radical ideology. So I actually think it's a negative and regressing in terms of sentiments towards .

get this fact based. But there is pulling data on that. We've not seen a dip for ever in our lives until the last few years, and it's clearly a direct response. I mean, there's only so many like males winning races against females in high school that you can watch before you start to wonder if perhaps all of IT was a mistake. Um that's unfortunate but it's where we are. And speaking of the youth um I would love to end with a little jensie trend towards back towards the simple things let's say so know can you tell me what's going on in tiktok?

It's on tiktok and instagram yeah I mean, basically that this is there's two things going on. One is that there is a rise of quote, quote blue color influencers. So basically these are people um who well there's a couple of people particular who are profiled in a big well street journal feature this week, an electric a sort of hot female electric um who takes videos of herself doing electrical work um and I believe a guy who's a plummer who sort of posts uh stuff on instagram, uh tiktok of him doing plumbing work and you've got massive following.

The woman I think has like two million followers SHE has a brand deal with car heart for hundreds of thousands of dollars so neither of them are actually really blue color because they're making like at least hf a million a year on there are their influencing alone. But IT does show this interesting trend that's actually driven out by data, which is an uptake and interest in trade schools from gene. Um there's there's not that much data um about you know how much interest has changed over the past few years because they haven't actually tracked IT um very well in in the past decade.

But we know that the highest number of of the kids and rolling in vocational community ologies has been recorded this year, viv, when they started in twenty eighteen. So hard to really extrapolate from from that. But IT does seem like based on the interest in this plummer and electric um that lots of people are maybe considering trade schools and alternative to the university.

And I think that the kind of you know COVID is an accelerant of this, an online courses obviously in the sort of you know decreasing quality of classes is an accelerant, student debt is an accelerant. And um probably the campus insanity of this past spring um is going to accelerate all of these trends. But I do think that you're seeing lots of kids maybe thinking I they should go to treat school because the jobs paying well and P H S make less than plumbers and wisconsin I think um on average uh and then at the same time, and this is or maybe a connected trend, you see an up take an interest in smoking.

H this is basically national economic, a puro study, I think that basically found that one of the unintended consequences of banning, uh, flavored vapor to certain VP flavors that we're thought to insight the kids to raping make them want to smoke cigarettes. So if they can't have their mango vapp, they'll just pick up a cigarette. Um basically um and you've seen a little bit of this in the U K.

As well and they've you've been trying to ban cigarettes for people under certain age. Uh and there is sort of hypothesizing that this is going to lead to like lots more interesting in smoking. Um so yeah yeah .

because the U K. Did something where IT was. People under borne after a certain year would never .

be able to buy .

the they're trying to like fully ban IT. Um we haven't gone out out yet. I think it's interesting. I really think it's the I think it's got to be the economic I think we finally got to a point with the student, with the student dead where IT you couldn't justify IT any longer and you could only hear people tell you what the salary was for your average plumber for so long before you look seriously at trades as um not just and alternative but I boom to your life. I mean we these jobs are really important.

Everybody needs them and um they've been sort of really made fun of and marginalized for years and years years by the same people who intensively cared about the working class. Um you know these are people in politics who are like gay working class. But if my kid became an electrician, that would be considered a failure, you know, would be unthinkable if your son was a plummer.

Uh, that is, I think in olds like twenty of century model in the future, I think is going to be more pragmatic because IT has to be increasingly like some of these schools. I I was just we were looking at just N Y, U. What is tuition and room and board is something like isn't like close to seventy thousand dollars a year.

Eighty thousand dollars a year with twists. And remember, it's something insane at at this point. So like it's just we've reached the breaking point. Um like you said though, these people of the influences are not they're not plummet and IT reminds me a bit of the trade wife trend um where you have this trend towards uh a performative version of this thing that actually exists like a real trade wife um who's like cooking for her husband when ever is like a working class person with a bunch of kids.

I've seen actually versions of this also on on instagram works like a woman living in a trailer with kids are making like very reasonable dinners. But the trade wife we see is a woman who's like, i'm going to make chocolate cookies from scratch from my husband and she's like a sun dress and her hair is done in, her makeup s done. And it's like this.

Mad men version of what a housewife is um IT is just like, you know interesting novel forms of content but they speak to these desires that we have, I think um in the contemporary age that we live in and especially as um I think it's like things that Young people are thinking about right the hard wife thing, the trade right thing is sort of a it's it's a question about the role of feminism in a Young woman's life and work in things like this and is IT really so much Better now today what we have in the fifties, whatever. And then on the male side, I think it's also it's a similarly, you know, do I need to go get a dest job after I get my college degree for five hundred thousand dollars or should I have uh a job in two years paying me two thousand dollars a year and should I be saving up for a downpayment on my house in the suburbs? And it's like everyone is sort of, I think, wondering about what we're going to be doing in the future. Brand, have you ever um do you know much about plummers?

I've actually been doing a lot electrical work in my house lately.

It's super mpower ring, right? When you figure how to fix something.

yes, you feel like a little bit less of a push every day do that? No, I think I think the fact that is probably more of a ARP than a real trend, so to speak, is support .

for the fact that this is like .

a gives vive shift to me like that seems like a conservative thing that's happening more than anything like rumors are kind of saying, well, like we don't um we're not doing like delete over production thing or smoking sags and like you know putting on our genes and plumb ing. I mean this feels conservative IT feels like this IT feels more like a vive shift than anything or evidence of service.

I think it's totally is they're like the count jensie like the counter culture now and conservative tends to be like the counter cultural aspect. I think that's under a percent right actually.

Would you make of the the trade wife phenomenon?

I think women are logging to be able for IT to be OK to be feminine again um because for me I think feminism has just become sort of like bio libertinism where it's feminism is more just about rejecting everything that's feminism and you know you're only equal if you become a man, so to speak. If we work like man, if we fuck like mad, if we took every plane like men.

So I think there is this a nate desire for women um whether they are able to realize that goal or not, that they do want to just have kids and cook for her husband and have a night role in in some doll. But I think um a lot of feminine e has just been repressed. So I I saw the trade wife trained to coming from a mile away. However, they should know that um many of the men who gravitate towards the idealization of a trade wife tend to be rather controling.

I saw this .

things certy care .

for controlling also like like a little abuse OK.

The extremes I saw when that was pretty funny IT was there was a mean just going around yesterday IT was a woman in new york actually being shown two pictures is one of like a jack trump supporter and one of like the nerdy is ever possible flu hair guy like, I think I was like a bite and had or something and they were like, you pick which one you think is hoder? Which one would you want to go on to date with? They're all picking this guy they like no way and how you would ever in a million years um and at the last role picked the trump guy not that he was hot, SHE said was i'm conservative um but it's like if you want like are you about that life if you are you about that trade life? Because that comes with that comes with a different set of of cultural norms and rules and a different life path for you.

And I guess it's a big question. Mark will see what people really want. I don't know.

So what what do you make of my right to bring up the time of thinking? They are related. They're it's A A broad movement.

I mean, I agree with Brandon. The influence are aspect of IT really I think is sort of signaling I think jersey is kind of signaling they are discontent with the college paradise in a way that maybe the trade wife thing was a similar discontent with with feminism. I will say that there have been some interesting on the like, are you about that life side of things?

I mean laun southern I think um has come out now um and he was like a huge proponent of sof trad feminism, I guess in like the twenty teens and got married and had a kid and then sort of dropped off the face of the earth. Now she's come out again and done interviews where she's talked about how abusive and controlling her I guess x husband was um and has sort of moderated her positions, I think on the trade stuff a little bit. I mean he is still conservative, but I do think that it's the the fly.

I mean, I think people who understand the influencers are always selling you an idealized version of something. And there's always going to be an element of fantasy in IT. And I think that's why people like engaging with their content. It's like the people honey y hitler's targeting on some level works like you can't really take them at face value. And if you do, you're going to get burned because of course, they're just they're like actors on some level.

and it's not that you can. They absolutely there.

Everything online is fit kind of .

thinking day.

Everything online all made up. It's like we are living in this cartoon world and you'll be fine, will all be fine as long as we don't forget that it's all fucking thing good and yeah, i'd love that you .

brought up bloor and southern and two because there's an undiscussed like trade wife to single mother pipeline. Especially on the right that nobody really discusses um and it's because there is this they're actors and there are so many these people who are pushing this child lifestyle who won or and even married um or two their marriages are horrible and their wives are in secret group chats like wanting to leave um and so there is there is this um bubble that's got a pop in terms of I think influencers globally, not just on the transport but this facade is going to burst for a lot of them and a lot of things are going to come to light, especially about the trade live fear that they're none as try as they prompt.

That was we don't really have a culture set up for that life at this point. You know, society is not built for I don't even know if i'd ever had a trade relationship to like who ever had this. Like IT was not the middle class like IT was IT would have maybe been the upper class.

You saw some script trade life thing. We're not at this point. You need two incomes to my house, and life is not just easy, so you need more of a part. I don't know i'm going to buy on this ship. What do I am going to talk about about is we have a merch drop.

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