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Mayor eric Adams, york city, and died. What the hell is going on in your trash city?

mean? That goes onion. And not so easy being a ship. Mayor is IT .

done with politics.

He's got the chain. He's got the sick, oversize teeth. The one thing he doesn't have yet is a sick pair of shades, or like a sick pair of radiance .

sucker thinking here, which I think he's wrong. The internet is like a great place to be all the time, when, in fact, on that, it's totally not a great .

place to be against humanity themselves have been accused of racism and sexism by former workers. So don't throw stones at houses of cards, I guess.

What's up, guys? Welcome back to the pod. We've got mad in the house today for two things. One, I mean, obviously dols coming up a master producer he wanted to say and I was like, you know, granted.

So math going to be hanging out with us uh in the chat and giving his opinion though I think yeah we'll see what happens. Um I am excited for today with the coral finals of prior. I don't coming up so stay tuned for that.

Uh again, classically at the end of the episode, i'll talk a little bit more about how parade idols going to go on moving forward now excited the of around one um stay tuned for a Polly market segment where going to talk a little bit about the V P debate and um let's just start to show my friends uh, obviously the thing that we have to talk about is the first thing is time about eric Adams, mayor eric Adams of new york city and died for some stuff that were going to talk about right now LED by our new york city guy mamary sky. What the hell is going on in your trash city? Break IT down, sir, new york city man insisted.

Another embarrassing for the city. But I guess no reactive mayor anyway. So I mean, kind continuation of, like the bullshit is here for mayors.

But we got to fix things around here. So air guys became the first sitting mayor of york city get and died IT. He had died of five federal charges, including wireless raud solicitating campaign contributions from a foreign national, mainly turkey.

But I ve also heard other countries they raided greasy mentioned was over the the mayor, new york city lives. And at the moment, we don't really know kind of what's going on. I think we're never kind of passing through the confusion of IT all is IT a real thing, is IT like a trump y in kinder like hit thing.

But what's clear is that Adams s doesn't do himselve any favors. S right? So he's openly talked badly. But the bite and administration, mainly for migrant crisis, which in front me, the city has been five point five billion on the migrant classes as of August, which is crazy, you know, he was elected as like the cot mayer he was actually, when he got elected, he kind of hit the sit like a perfect time in election season because migrant Andrew Young was running for the york city, and he actually was in the lead at one point. But like right, when like near city really start to go downhill, that's an adam ascended as like i'm .

the cup Adams was the democrats who is willing to say that .

crime is bad was hard to come by. Like me, like that sounds cool. I always kind of you really like that anyway. But like I like that sounds Better than the rest the trashed develop we are same like my a wild in all then who are like how my liberal friends love SHE was crazy um but also like he essentially xing anything right like the city so bad the capture so bad the governor of new orci c called the national guard on the subway a few months ago so like of a crime so I gave you and done that right so right so people are coming for him um c called for his resign near hours of four the the news hit and uh one last thing is like there's whether or not we think like it's a it's a hit peace or the comment at m his campaign finites and disagree SE so there have been four major resignations in the past few months. The chancellor and voice's public school, the health commissioner, who we found out was like .

having parties turn of IT yeah .

I some kind of a holes .

IT was like an he was like he was the orgy guy, right? Yeah yeah he was doing all the cover spreading .

um and then he .

was more than cove IT uh .

chief council and then the N Y P D commissioner er also resigned. So IT is k OK on maybe they're not to say themselves. There's that mean that goes funny money and then I got you kind of funny. It's like, uh he was from the blazy and the goes like that. So easy being a shit.

Mayor is IT yeah, that is. So listen, ground floor shady mayor like he just is. Like, we got to be, we ve got to call, sped to speed.

I think that right now, what you see happening on the discourse side of things is you see people on the right wanted to defend atoms. And the reason they wanted defend them is because atoms has been correctly diagnosing the problem of the migrant crisis in new york. And he's right thing because the administration won't stop IT and where we can handle IT.

That's been really politically to advantages for the democrats. And so righting people are wanting to defend them right now. Lewin, people wanted destroy him, one for that reason, and in two, because what is the new rome? what? What is this the dude name is about to become is the is called the, he's called A A public advocate, human Williams.

So the public, I don't know neck city politics, will not understand how the fuck this is happening. But if the mayor steps down, the public advocate steps up, he's drama's Williams. He is a program like pro legal immigration, anti cop, hard core, far left open socialist.

So it's no surprise that aoc wants to get rid of atoms so her literal socialist friend can rise to power. And these are the things that make is impossible for us, I think, to have an honest conversation about what's going on here. Now I think the honest conversation would look something like, bro definitely committed some kind of a crime.

I think that for what i'm saying, he looks like about one hundred thousand dollars of bribes of some kind or at at the very least, illegal campaign contributions from a foreign government. And I think that they wouldn't go through all of this if there wasn't something there. Obviously innocent til proven guilty.

Oh my god, I think he's gonna guilty. The crime, however, I I think, is not worth all the theater that we're seeing around IT and and IT does feel politically motivates that doesn't mean it's not a crime IT doesn't mean shouldn't be punished. But I am not going to to have a hard time.

I am going I going have a hard time defending him because I think he probably did IT and so he doesn't really deserve to be defended. And um and I think he was a ship mir and it's like he came in. He's one of these guys.

This is a new crop of politicians who are willing to say the right thing and then not do anything to fix the problem. I think this is slightly champion, to be honest. I think about the immigration stuff particular like he didn't fix that problem and any rm problem.

And IT obviously is a fraction. It's not nearly as bad as IT is now under biden, but he didn't fix IT. You know that a everyone round up by talking about IT didn't so anyway, yeah I I think that the dude I think arrogant ms probably did IT.

I think you will probably resign or be forced out. I think the fucking and joker is going to rise up in the place of the hamburg ler. And those your options, your options are like centrist democrat who's literally criminal or open socialist who wants to burn down the city.

And that is like the really the choice in every major american city is you have it's always a center, center left corrupt person and a far left crazy person. And it's like eventually someone's going to have to do like maybe are entertaining the other party. There is another party in every one of these is that we just .

never talk about I remember we covered on this very podcast a certain uh million dollar trash can unveiling be .

speculated .

i'm just saying be speculated about you know powerful groups running the trash system in new york city the mob um being the reason why no one had taken this step before. It's a little curious that ergalon you know, chAllenge the paris, the bee on that front now all the sun he gets indeed i'm just saying it's a little interesting.

Oh yeah, I mean, this is breeder. This is new york city. The other funny thing that you see online right now is the new york times, like Pearl clutching.

This is the first ever mayor in new york city and died while in office. This is the city of timoni hall of boss in tweet. Like this is a famously a city that was built by corrupt democrats.

They are fucking corrupt. It's like they were corrupt in the one thousand century. They were. I mean, you have people paying for immigrants to come in and then using, basically bullying those immigrant groups, coerce in those immigrant groups via authors of immigration benefits to vote for the democrats. You then lead into the error of the mob where the mob gets involved in politics.

And every other part of the city, like I don't I think about writing about new york and like it's like we we're onna start to you know we going to start maybe in new york city local politics vert col, as we grow sort of on the road map and the back of my model m like, do I have to worry about mob ship like maybe it's it's like a weird new ork of different beast than safe and cisco, where you know the people are idiots, but there I think they're fundamentally harmless. You know it's like they're more stupid than evil. Some are pretty evil, but but there is a different thing.

And yeah, I think that like he's there's like an an FBI thing. There's a by administration thing, and that's a local politics thing, which is a whole other brutal battle ground. And I think that probably the dude is not very smart, clearly based on the fact that he sacrifice everything for like, a hundred thousand dollars of bribes. And they wrote about IT, I think, on text, in an email, so not a bright guy to begin with and and he said to be now dc situation, just, it's a politically fraught arena.

so to speak.

might say, I know, sad. I guess I don't like, do we is IT a safe assumption that most local politicians are corrupt?

Yeah, I think this, its center left is not the far left, at least. So in separates us. go. And now this is my other city that I know. I I don't know much, not at least much, but I know love to know that the corruption tends to track center left. I don't know if that's true in every city.

I imagine that would be closer to true because that you'd be closer to entrenched power if you're if you're on a center left um you be closer like decades and decades of power at that point. And I think that you know as much as I can't stand someone like um what's a obviously O C in the congress level, but if you want to get into local politics and sample is go someone like deep pressed in. He does not strike me as a criminal.

He is awful. He is a bad person. But I would be i'd actually be surprised if he was corrupt or as like all of like muhammed whatever neither I forget his naming ran like some part of the savita thing um really like all the people around breed have have gone down for corruption. And she's technically like a centrist democrats so far left by the rest of our standards but and as technically a mod so ah to your question, I think corruption in every city pressure well yes.

as I thought, it's interesting in related IT because we always talk so much about campers CS o and L A, always correct politicians. So I think they're just like stuck under the weight of this, like awful politics everywhere, like and IT be fair, like to a little bit to Adams, I mean someone it's not all his fall in the sense, like i'm sure he wants to clean the streets more, but he stuck under the way at least stupid prosecutors in D S.

And laws, their past under um the blazer where now you can walk in a walGreen to steal thousand dollars for the stuff or lesson one thousand and not even get a arrested. Yes and I want to go to the in wall Greens. I have to wait for the god D M D order.

And every time we had a plastic barrier, yeah and like it's a small example, like yes OK fine, it's like my life who and no but that is really interesting examples of like we talk about all the time about like having a society um like a high trust society. Like I can't go into a store grabs and anymore. The way for a guy to come over to make he hates his life is like, not going to do this for somebody I want to do this.

And like, why we? Why are we allowing this? And i've lived in new york city, where that wasn't the thing. So now like, why do you to live like this?

I think that what would they need to do? And if you have a costco membership.

So I just go one love.

love that company, love costco. Love my costco membership. When you roll into a costco o you know, first of all, it's a peaceful utopia because there's you have to pay to get in and it's a small amount money, but it's enough to board off most of the generates of society, just like the concept of a paid membership thing like and also the concept of value that is based in bulk is easy, requires like some base level, like you have to have like at least N I Q of one hundred intent to understand why that's a good thing.

And so that just weeds out a lot of trash people. So I love IT already. I'm happy on the way out of costco you've got a lady there checking your receipt and h SHE looks at your stuff and you know, SHE make you a little tally of what you have and what's on your receive and SHE waves you on.

And I can't imagine going because it's a peaceful europium costa. I can't imagine that much crime happens there. But why not just be stationing rather than all that plastic shit? Why not just station like literally higher security guard and have someone checking receipts? And if you don't have the receipts for the shit that you're Carrying out, you're not leave in the store.

I think is volume, but also they've try but these people don't get arrested like the people who are the security guards who fight back on the been arrested, right? We have in the more extreme example where the guy, like choke the homeless person on the subway and like he's the one who gets arrested, right? So I of a society, people say, will fuck IT. Why would I get involved that every security guard and being here you go run out and like you know some place like where my studio is in midtown, it's like and I like the traffic that's going in the CS and a business.

Obviously, we need new laws. I'm thinking ahead and it's I don't see a world you can do this. We tend to think about our politics as if we're electing kings and we're not.

We're electing someone who is the head of this giant blob state apparatus, whether it's local or federal. And in this case, it's a local block state in new ork city. And also in separate this cause, a version a as a version where there are just like layers and layers and layers.

Not only of elected officials, they ve all hire bureaucrats who are working underneath them. And it's like, you can't one person is elected. To fix that problem is not enough.

You need decades of people who are elected reduce the common sense thing. And I just don't really see that. I don't see that coming. So we need to be able to protect ourselves and start talking about ways to protect ourselves unless there's some kind of maybe like a constitutional crisis or something.

I'm an at some point, you know, when you can't rely on the state to protect you from criminals, that that's a violation of the social contract, that the entire reason that we allow ourselves to be taxed. And so if you can if the state can protect us and you can protect the border, then it's not really uh, it's not a is no longer a legitimate government of the people, especially if the people want you to change IT. I mean, clearly, when you pull people and should crime me illegal, it's like, yes, overwhelmingly. And so if you still can happen, is this really our government if you have .

a break down with that too, in york city you came to Carry a gun with yourself, you're china on your own and go fuck.

you know yeah mean as a good come a cackling away about about the gun that he had an honestly go off queens you want to be criminal in your house me too. Message for america, it's all happy. Lets be Normalized in the concept of if someone comes into our house, they should die I agree.

Thank you. I'm glad we all we have bipartisan consensus on the topic of criminals in your house should just die. Thank you. great. phenomenal.

We might either bring back daddy bloomberg for N. Y. C. That's my last thing i'll say about N.

Y. C. You think bloomberg guy, are you? So you're more of a bloomberg than .

a Julian about did a good job. Well, actually july, I was a common bid mayor, but he did so well after nine eleven right then he used amErica is mayor well.

famously he he .

came spectacular. After nine eleven he was everywhere. And then the blueberry.

I mean, those ten years, I mean, he was there, the streets .

were clean .

and he he said he created the real .

little person that, I mean, now I listen, I think there's a good we're this this maybe that I know is a little bit seen, oil is getting crazy and good, but fum, he used to be like he would like cross stress with the guys. You know, there are pictures of him in drag and stuff like that picture of only like new crazy new york catalan. And I love that for him.

I love that for us. We must return. IT is time to make new york grade again and that's going for the cross dressing italian mayor who's tough on crime. That's what we need.

That sounds fantastic. I will go for that right now.

Brand in um please break down the story for me this sort of evolution of mark zuckerberg persona, as according to wipe, was IT yorker magazine or new york. Say again, new york, new york times, right? York times.

He was. He's done with politics. IT was actually pretty good peace. And I read kind of following his evolution. But break IT down .

for us and I think the really like obvious so like we know he was he was sort of evolving into a more based version of his twenty self. Um but the the story is basically A A reported feature that uses interviews of people who knows c and like league e documents that they got um from the C C I the change oka organizational which he college with his wife and matter and like you said, sona just traces socker berg evolution from having like essentially no ques about hearing as most like mostly democratic politics back in like twenty sixteen and twenty and fifteen to being essentially disenfranchise with A U S.

Politics the piece actually um if people haven't read IT I was surprised to read the piece includes a fair amount about the the chen zuker g initiative he seems and his wife seems to have been sort of radical zed by what went down at the C I during una sort of floyd a twenty twenty coveted um yeah so in my respect again not super surprising that this would be sort of a hot bet of activism but um the piece describes as a sort of council culture within C I where basically a hard left contingent of employees kind of was allowed to grow and fester and at one point they sort of um he started demanding to persona that uh the initiative money starts going to abortion option protecting abortion rights. Um if you know anything about easy, they sort of stick with education and science for the most part um during floyd, A C, C, I employee called on zc to resign because he didn't center trump on facebook or he didn't know. I don't remove some of his posts.

Can you imagine can you imagine an employee s demanding that you resign because think this is .

a turning point for that? He was really upset that yeah I mean that would obviously would piss anybody off. Um the other side of of the of the story for us is again, when we I think we all know IT broadly gestures at how the media and politicians blamed him for trump inning elected in two thousand sixteen um around that time he was held up from the congress a few times and generally both sides the eyes are using him and what was in facebook as a whiped boy um and often they were making coining ning demands right like so the democrats want more censorship. Publicans wanted less.

And the last thing I noticed that he does seem to indicate the piece that the zoan persona were pretty dismayed, the left behavior in the aftermath of october's th. So I think what you have now is he's. He's really for distended and franchise.

Franchise doesn't chanted with and disappointed with U. S. politics. The piece is based on interviews with people that apparently .

he knows does a great part wise sound like he's perfectly I .

don't I know that his friends do. I think that and there are other hire people at facebook who do you for sure, I would love suck if you're listening love in interview with you. I I saw 嗯 and I this a couple notes of this now that he is hiring and someone to help me with this image among more .

writting people。 Ece.

I think but I i'd seen up before this piece, I think it's very interesting and it's very necessary. Um there's a cynical redit that that sort of is what accounts for he's sort of the american flag waving on fourth of july he's out on his water skis, his new haircut, his new style to meet that appeals to humors. But that's sort of implicity based because zimmer men are more based generally speaking.

And I think it's inevitable and necessary. I have read a lot about this during the height of the easy tech stuff back in like twenty, twenty. I thought, and my perspective then, and I both was certainly, I think he proved IT out at this point, was that the industry had he was alienating the right, and we was doing so with all the censorship.

Really, I think you can you can raise speech for half of the country and expect them to not hold IT against you. Now the problem with that is that the right in amErica was the only. I don't think that either sides are particularly business friendly.

The only support dealing natural, that of support you have in amErica for process sentiment is the right. It's like that companies forgot. There were companies, I think, and that puts them on a crash course with the left inevitably.

And so you know, you do you for all the time alienating the right, and then the left just eats you regardless of what you do for them eventually. And so now you have the situation or you have the situation certainly until recently where tec no friends at all. I think e is on a lot to changed that a little bit.

There's a lot more openness on the side of the right to just listen to tech people. And I think that zack is trying to now tap into that, think he's making a separate for maybe whatever his own sentiments are. There's a business thing here, which is he needs some friends somewhere, and if he doesn't make them, that company is long term screw.

So that I think I think that maybe that is what's happening there. I also think libertinism is a funny. He said he was libertarian.

Aries forty was plastically libertarian perspective, classically liberal perspective, he said, which is kind of a liberator of something. I A friend, when I was in early twenty, we working at penguin. SHE used say that I was libertarian then, and SHE used to say that libertarians were just republicans who wanted to get laid.

And I, there are some truth to that. I don't think I don't think it's wrong there. There is some truth to that. I think that he is I think the boy is just begun his journey. I think there's a lot ahead of him that we don't see coming.

I think the politics in this country are getting wild and unpredictable because I don't know, like the less line down some crazy shit. And so you have to make choices. The g it's like the what was the dude is IT what is like sort of he arrived to anti weakness ten years later, eight years later, and then was like, I invented IT, the banker.

What was his new action? Bill action? That is, the bill act at all. The bill action effect feel they feel persecuted and wrongs by the very people we've supported for all of these years.

We think about the chance zocor berg initiative that was a jobs program for hard core letting people, and they turned on him for no reason. Really look like exactly is a story of the good and broke again. I live like a bitch.

Die like a bitch. To a certain extent, you deserve what came to you but um happy, happy for the evolution back energy. I don't think you have to be, by the way, republican to be seen this point.

I really don't think that at all. I think there are obviously all shorts of democrats who there's a fight for what that means to be a centuries, democrats which he seems to have abandoned completely and doesn't want any to the politics. I get that, but there are pony of tech people who are fighting for that democratic center that, like I can still be a democrat and believe in a wealth, are state and helped for the poor.

And I love schools and roads and whatever. And you know, the republic gans don't care about public spending. I think all of this stuff is in flux, but they're fighting for that to be the democratic ty.

I don't think the democratic party is gone to be that I think the democratic party is really just at this point, you have two speeds. It's the party of the state or is the party of chaos? It's like the center is the state and the the base of that party is chaos.

It's like to crime and whatever and the republicans who knows its evolution. But really, what do you make as a rumor? Does mark does mark avocat tive broccoli haircut um or it's like a sort of budding. It's like he's hinting he's hinting at the sumer broccoli haircut.

He's think A A little bit and I think the fact that IT does means that there's a bit of potential in. Um also another thing he's going to bail soon, which is his orion A R glasses um because yeah he's got the chain. He's got the sick oversized comparing himself to seizure. The one thing he doesn't have yet is a sick pair of shades or like a sick pair of rabbins. And he's got that on hold for his new A R glasses. So I think you know if if anyone can make those look cool because obviously they have have got in a bit democrat so far with the apple vision pro guy waving his hands around, I think I can make a look cool because we have seen in real time that he knows what cool looks like. So I think there's a lot of potential there.

But you have did you have like a contrarian take on that? Those glasses in general.

glasses, the glasses are a topic for stuff, so is actually a lot of cool new tech. I I think that theyve prototyped with this prototyped like rally said it's some called a yan. I didn't. I saw all yesterday you know some videos about this A R classis and also like whatever no today I watched the video. And um probably the coolest and most of octave part about these these glasses is that you can you uh there's a neural hook up essentially you you control IT with your gestures, with your eyes, with your voice. And then there you you were a racket that IT detects what your fingers are doing.

Very, very minor finger movements like um if I make a really no sort of low key finger movement that looks like a stroll on my phone, like i'm stalling my phone on my phone without the phone um the air glasses will read that as a score um in the in the lenses right so the other cool thing about this is that they was listening to what he said. And there's the way that the actual physics works is that there are tiny projectors in the frames of the glasses, and those frames project holograms onto the lenses, which are made up of, he says, nanoscale three structures and they defect the light and and this new, I think that this is patted tech IT. Seems like these structures allow the holograms to be smaller, bigger, more in the distance, less than the distance.

So like pretty good tech, right? Especially because you can control with your mind. I think that's a new thing. Again though, it's just a prototype they have like probably years ago um but my you my my initial reaction was like cool you know this is like awesome like I had I obviously like the White pill and in the stuff like this but I started thinking about IT more and was like his vision for the future, which obviously this is a big bet on the future, right?

Like he he's gonna pouring tons of money into and he and so I think it's representative of the fact that he thinks that there will be a lot of consumers who want essentially their iphone just to be always looking at their iphone on their like instead of having your eye one in your pocket, you're just seeing IT all the time, right? And I don't think that I would hate that personally. I I have my my phone undo, not disturb more than I don't have an undo not disturb.

I know I don't like looking at my phone. I try to look at IT as as little as I possibly can. And an assumption baked into, I think, zuker berg thinking here, what I think he's wrong is that the internet is like a great place to be all the time when in fact on that it's totally not a great place to be all the time.

And I I think he's unintentionally being a little bit to stop an here with this vision. Um I understand the whole IT might be cooler to face time, for example, with these glasses that's fair. But I don't like you know thinking about our world of people who are all wearing these glasses who are just getting like constant like going based notifications and like whatever notifications is thrown down your screen, you're always getting text messages from people right and your boss is bothering you and slack or whatever IT is right, like you've doing that.

Not that's not something your boss pops up as a hologram like want that. And I don't actually see that for me if i'm being being realistic about what the internet is, it's you can't ignore that, that a big part of IT, you know. And uh, so i'm not I don't think i'll be getting the glasses and using an in any way other than like maybe there's a games so something could play or something that fun yeah I think .

to a certain extent, facebook, in its first incarnation, just regular old, early two thousands, facebook was virtual reality. IT was our first experience with virtual reality and that you were living some part of your life virtuality.

Obviously, there are message more than things like that, but this is the first time this became A A really this penetrated society broadly, this idea that would spend a non trivial amount of your day online, connecting with important people in your life that totally evolved into like newsfeed, slop and things like this. It's really, we've got drifted very far away from the original vision, which was collected with people that you loved on a data basis. But even that original vision, twenty years later, is not for me.

I think we have probably all learned that. I there's this I R ocp es movie where um the the the one of the female leads in that there is a scene where they're all having like these weird existential crisis and these strange philosophical evolution in the show and SHE started is like this beautiful regular woman and SHE becomes like crazy. But she's correct about a lot of things.

He's having a physical hand breakdown. There's just one point where she's facing her husband and he's in a room, I think but there's class there. And SHE slams the SHE slams her fist up against the the window and he goes, there's glass between us.

There's class between us. And that's how I feel about these phones. I feel like that it's just it's the visual approximation of relationships.

And you miss all of these important things when you're not in person with the people that you love. And some some amount of virtual life is very beneficial and useful. And the utility to IT, but it's not A A replacement and the more that we build to replace IT.

Um well, I don't know if it's onna work is a thing at the end of the day, i'm not that afraid of the dis topi ambition because I don't think I think that people are pretty clearly and roundly rejecting this idea again and again and again. The only reason they are spending much time on their phones as they currently, is because they, we are dick to them, are addicted to those algorithms, man. We're addicted to swiping and that weird dope minute that you get and you have to do all these hacks so I keep your phone away from you because yeah, we're stuck on this shit that's it's, uh, a path of dark.

And I think mars in is tRicky place where he probably understands this all on some level, but you know, he went all in on on this particular type of technology. And at this point, I kind of no longer even really know what the value proposition is for this stuff. H, you know what? What is the utopian vision of of facebook, instagram, twitter? I understood actually more previously.

And maybe threads is what they're doing. Now it's like, but there are even doing news on thread. So if you if you have to have a news feed or you want a news feed, no, that's what twitter was.

IT was a different kind of new stand. And I kind of understood that that's completely collapsed post alone because it's the deliberation of links and million other things. But I guess, yeah, anyway, i'm brambly at this point. I just I don't know the value proposed for you this stuff anymore, and I do they know either.

I think is my cynical view of the internet is that is just space at this point. The main value is like distributing propaganda, advertising and state surveilLance. I think right, I actually don't see.

I mean, because because of the connection part, i'm not even sure that connection is is higher quality now than I was before we had text messaging. I think you make more contact with more people more frequently. But previous to text message, you had to call somebody or yet to hang out with them and now you don't. I'm i'm actually afraid of phone calls like somebody calls me and I go, no, you know.

like got like .

somebody. I am I ready for this? Can I take this right now? I I turn, I like deny calls ninety percent at the time, even for my friends, because i'm like scared of them or something now. And I am like a milenio like elder millennial, like I grew up having phone calls, you know, going to coffee with people, stuff like that.

He feels too intimate .

or something yeah, I say I I point was interesting when you tell about like like I keep my phone to the ball the time as well right on the same guy but like I think about that the same way. I think about the apple watch. I don't need another thing doing in pending all day like I I like like to mechanical watches.

Like I don't need piece of tech that's like living with me and reminding me about things all of the time. Like the phone's fine rower dict. The two years, we obviously on twitter and slack all day, but like I agree that the tech is really impressive.

But a while you're brick and debris. I kind of had like the same sort of like conclusion. Like, do I want what do I want more things on me? I actually want less things on me.

There are some things that are just super magical and be able to push a button, a car, being able to raise up your phone and know what music is playing, and then be able to downtown to make downa IT just access to immediately leave a your music APP. I think that then, I think the communications of all is really valuable. It's incredible to be able to access anybody on the planet instantaneously, also be doing your banking. And I think there are any number of things that the banking, and also is one where I have a hard time. You didn't understanding the negative IT seems very positive that your able to is to ask .

you are banking and with communication .

also that is a positive. It's just there's also a negative associated with IT or just concurrently Operating alongside of IT. The positive is you have access now to anybody any time.

And in the negative is that you can escape this ever. And that is it's like the genie, a ladon, right where it's like all of this cosmic power, E D B ty living space is kind of how IT feels. IT feels a little cramped in here right now.

And I think we're all feeling that each of the negative here and kind of wanting some freedom from that. And so I think that these technologies just aren't to work. And I don't know what the next crop is that, that works.

I'm excited for them, but it's going to be something I think that's more human and that makes us feel good. We don't think a lot about how apps make you feel good like I don't feel I don't feel good after i'm done using twitter. I never did. I feel probably worse now, you know, as i'm scrolling through that up, uh, instagram, certainly I never ever there is no minute that I ve spent on in instagram that I don't regret. Truly, youtube a little Better because I can watch my .

cooking videos fun.

But I think .

T V IT sound the same as, like.

so I be my banking APP at this point.

Look a really good at.

I can transfer money really quickly between.

feel good about, I feel good about, be able to pay my bills immediately, see what i'm spending and i'm spending. I like Robin, yeah, like all the things that give me shit, that help, that help me grow my wealth, i'm interested in those things. I want something that improves my life, which is maybe a stupid, let's a get tight, maybe when to approach IT.

But where is that focus? Like, make my life Better. And if you're not making my life Better with your little APP, if you're dum gog's, you fucking .

IT out amazon.

Amazon s like amazon. Amazon.

a great.

another great example like amazon makes my life Better. Thank you. Amazon, and I don't care about fact that they're killing competition oner.

whatever. I sorry over IT. I like maison. I like that IT makes my life Better on the consumer. That's what matters.

Who are some we could talk about the productivity aspect to some of this tech, which I think is cool and useful and I am not barrier h about um the the notion of being able to control device with your thoughts, I think could be incredibly could lead to some incredible um productivity and locks, especially if that device has A I right like and and I think in certain context, of course, this is a good thing. You know I like are being a writer right? Like what did what's go on?

So I I don't mean that was like IT was the year twenty thirty or something and I had a racist thought in my neural ink transit killed me like it's like my brain explosive or something you like. When when we're talking about such imperfect technology and then further integrating and into our brain, I am a little weary. I love during the blind in being delivered as well. I sleep. I am not as excited about that.

I be crazy, if you could your dreams for advertisers well.

that you've have to pay, right? So it's like, hey, I am going to give you the access to have the most fucking epic dreams of your life and there's going to be a little advertisement spot.

It's to pay did not I have advertising advertisements in your dream? It's like fault you .

get add for that. I ve really think we're projecting current technology on to future technology that we can even we don't even really know what that is going to be like. And so IT seems a little topic.

I think the truth, this is going to be a whole other bag of really cool things plus negative externalities and is always a mix of some. And again, yeah fundamentally very excited about curing blinds. Thank you around.

But bring back links on twitter, please, cars against humanity, and then we're going to get to a point market segment. We're got to pick up th Epace h ere. We're got to the idle Riley tell me about this trash game and their trash political behavior and and know did break down the story for us.

Let's do IT so back in twenty seventeen, uh cards against humanity purchase a plot of land near the U. S. Mexico border. I guess they were like crowd funding that they got their fans to like chip into um they did this as a tool apparently thinking I was their way to stop trump from building the wall. Sick prank um now instead of seeking IT to trump, they have pivoted to uh trying to stick IT to elan suing space ex who was also obviously down there in self taxes for allegedly tress passing on their land using IT to store vehicles and construction materials things like that cards against humanity also said in the lawsuit that its quote business relationships have been image as a result of being associated with elon like this um on account of the fact that elon has been accused of racism and sexism by former employees.

Here's a thing, aside from the fact that the game has cards like schwarz that it's like trying to use as jokes, cards against humanity themselves have been accused of racism and sexism by former workers so much so that in twenty twenty the cofounder had to step down so don't throw stones at houses of cards I guess this is clearly attempt from the cards against humanity to get more Brownie points among their very reddit fan base. Um meanwhile, iran announced this week that spaces would be sending cruise missions to mars in twenty twenty eight. So story of two companies right there .

which is so sick, by the way, the marking just casually stated and the way that our new cycle works when you barely hear about IT about. I think maybe part that is i'm so good to hear more of the details on IT. To be honest, I I find IT hard to believe in this political climate.

You're going to be able to get to some kind of consensus necessary to send people tomorrow via space ex, just he just politicize himself so much. It's going to have a democratic push back and no matter what we will see. But I am excited about the vision certainly.

And IT plays out on the Carter. I said I. I don't even notice, say really other.

then shut up, people have a ment.

System E D S, E D S more so than T D S. T D S on, my god, like people hate to the running for, but the E D S has been powerful.

The s have s is the same behavior, the same way that reaction, like you can say you can see, is a name. He says name something like shorts out and their head, we'll say like he's in to see or something really quickly. Do you talk to people?

Yes.

I can let the subject pass without saying like since i'm in a room with some elder old millennial where you guys forced to play that stupid s game cards game and he growing up like ten, fifteen years ago.

definite good .

stupid as game. I the joke .

always it's the joke is it's one joke. The joke twenty, twenty is like tell me your favorite TV game and then someone's like like you said, all suits or something like, oh my god, it's funny because it's crazy and that's the joke. That's that's the one thing I want to move on.

We gave to you to our party market segment. So there's you have a watch of segments here. We're running at a time.

Ah one of them was about kala her first T V um interview with a woman who works for a MBC who a week ago said how much he was just going to vote for basically coming on that a while implicit explicit say that he sort implicity the argue it's very obvious what side of this but SHE is on um but this sort of leads us into the question of this upcoming vice presidential debate so welcome to our public market segment. Thank you, Polly. Market for supporting pye wires.

This is a paid partnership. We could not do IT without you. And here is what we're going to do. We're going to talk about this bp debate. So let's consult the betting markets.

There are some interesting stuff going on over there, and I think we get a kind of interesting inside into what's going on with really not walls is so much so though this is really all about him but j events so um the first unlikely only vice presidential debate is scheduled for tuesday, october first on C B. S. Cording to Polly market walls currently has a seventy eight percent chance of winning based on post debate polls.

These OS likely reflect the markets acknowledged of a historical trend. Debate polls tend to skew left. Nevertheless, this debate undoubtedly Marks a crucial moment.

Vana Young career, putting his likeability to the test. That's an overwhelming number. That's an overwhelming read of of the two. And I think it's I guess I think it's correct roughly. I think that in terms of likability, strictly, I think j.

Evans is so unknown to begin with and he was copied as a mean so early that it's really, really hard for him in this debate to come out. I think Victory, obviously impossible, according the mainstream media in general, with debates, people who are voting for trump, who are going to say, the jd. One, people who are voting for company are going to say the world won.

But in terms of like that rare, elusive undecided voter, who do you like more? Walls is a charming, like a able guy. You don't know what politics are. If you ever never heard talk about B, A, M or twenty, twenty, you don't know anything about how you ran minnesota. Um he seems like a nice guy and jd is intellectual that are are automatically sort of a hard thing to sell to you in american and uh and he's what we know about him is basically coming from the media that customer has weird and um and I did that very effectively and so I think that he's yeah he's going to have a rough time. You guys make IT you I mean.

jet is known for being like an extremely good debater, but I I don't know what he could say that would not prompt the left to just flood the internet with a bunch couch means after the fact like that's onna happen, no matter what jd says, no matter how much of this creates tim walls, that's going to happen regardless. So yeah, I kind of agree with you.

I mean, also like debate don't matter generally, and vice present bates really don't matter. And so who's even like the people who go into this? For people who just love politics, the people are washing IT and caring about IT and waiting to see what happens.

And I think that I think that it's it's I do I think I think that jd is very good and probable will win in terms of like who made the best points and who really showed to the other person was wrong about stuff or whatever. But ultimately a popularity contest, that doesn't matter. The eight stack in in wallas paper.

I don't think it's got a matter at all. I may I think the democrats done the ground a pretty effective ground work at making j van see like a crazy mac guy with the the couch means not the cast stuff. And what are the couch means?

Have to do with being a crazy maga guy. The couch means, by the way, for people don't know, the mean is that he fox, literally fox, is a couch fucker. He is, has a fetish for having sexual coaches.

This is this information that came before the cat means, of course, that the democrat thought was hilarious while himself spouses this again and again and again. This idea that city vance has know a sexy relationship of coaches, which is so weird that not that obviously to be into curious as weird, but to say that about someone is still kind of goofy. And this makes me think that I was out of touch a little bit.

American society. This is not a funny joke to me. This is just so it's like it's a goop bali.

I'm also not opposed to, though that I was slightly not on the side of the internet, really came down harder. The democrats for that, and I sort of thought he was all in good fun. And then the cat means began. The democrats were like, how fucking there you and IT was hard for me to take them seriously as well.

I tweet something about this kind of, and I said something like, a lot of times, misinformation is actually just the partisan rendering of information. And so I mean, it's perfectly illustrated by the fact that I I agree that cutch fucking meme was funny. I thought I was great. But then, you know, when I got turned around and we had the cat cooking me or cat eating me, it's alten became misinformation. I was like, no two things are the same thing and it's just like partisan humor humor yeah.

it's like they are becoming incapable the media becomes incapable understanding humor or or attempts of humor when one side is in play. But I don't know .

we're but I know guys like that's what I like from the result of all that. Again, I get like the filtering from like my democrat site like this guy gene S Y. And so like its works like like they all deal. It's crazy yeah so as why I don't think go that much.

Well, be on IT is time for the quarter finals.

And we are back to the greatest show on the internet. It's pirate idle except no substitutions. The quarter finals are upon us.

We have, uh, three congrats to straight away for Jesse, Patrick and cardiff. You guys made IT through. The crowd went wild. I want IT more you're here to deliver.

But first, maybe just a quick note before we get into the the takes today in the topics, a quick node on on everybody else. You made IT through mad a little music, please. We've got from week one cardiff.

Jessie and grant are all going to be returning. Week two, we've got Molly, Patrick and rob. Week three, we have andy and Chris. Week four, Olivia made IT through the cut. Week five, we ve got miles, jack and Kevin. So the way that this is gonna go moving forward, we're going to do three guests a week for four more weeks and do really dislike one more crack at the original format. Now that you guys know how that works, now that the viewers have gotten used to this and listeners have gotten used to this, we're going to do just like, yeah standard round another wave.

After that we will have uh two two people on a week to do two segments, which will be LED by contestants and then in the end will do for more, will be like a final for and will be fall on coho spots. And that's the show and that's going to take us. That's like that's the fall baby.

Um and it's it's going to be prior idle ratings to the roof. Uh, we've got ta get actually start who is runs our ad. He's got to talk to Polly market.

Um he's got some friends over there and I what I want from Polly market is I want to top well, I I want to get a betting market for pirate idol. Um I would say it's essential, but that's enough. Talk about how the shows gonna work. Let's get into the show rally. Are you teeth up for the topic this week?

yes.

So i'll just to be the the two second version of IT. Its drugs in tech rightly take IT away.

Let's do IT. So this week a video went viral on x proportion to show people who are just on iosco dominating and losing consciousness while locals attempted to care for them, though these people were apparently reacting to a frog vinum and not iao sa according to a community. No, I did, however, prompt wider discussion about iowa a and psychiatrically more broadly, with some touting their benefits and others relying stories about people leaving their jobs and family after consuming the drugs.

I'm going to let cardiff take this one away at the top of this round because you went last. I believe in in our man. Welcome back to the show also before you get started, a cardiff and for everyone who uh saw the pie, wireless voting guide or voter guide is uh a voter graph.

People who are insane carrot, was he partner in crime for us on this one? He got a plenty of hate with us in the dance from angry local political people who IT was crazy. Actually this year, however, one this was really like either that that we included them in the guide or furious that we didn't.

In fact, there was I don't know if I should say this out out, but I will um there was a someone someone in local politics tried to gee up the standard to write a hip ece about let's I say a hit peace a piece of media criticism on how the pie wireless vote the guy was put together. I think there were some anger that we didn't talk to all of the candidates first. I didn't realize that they were gonna so but hurt for not being included. And if I did, I would have definitely reached out next time guys give me show but carding thanks for that and what's in both um give me thoughts about that you can share but if not, let's get into drugs.

No, I think it's crepe. But yes, let's get in the drug. So, uh, yeah, well, you mentioned it's A A frog beta.

I want to be very specific. IT is a giant monkey frog beta which makes them more fun called combo. Uh, and I actually want to talk about that more than I moscow.

We can jump into that too. But obvious ly that all these people are doing in this video and they paid to go do that. I think they got what they ask for, uh, like this is what you do with IT.

You burn yourself with a hot stick, okay, then you get blisters, you strap them off and then put the giant monkey frog than them on the ligious. And so that's how you do this drug, is pretty insane. And so the reason they do IT, there's a couple benefits and these might sound familiar. So basically, you improve your clearly, you have increased energy and reduces all the stress you have. And as a bonus, you get plus one luck and plus two hunting.

So it's a prety cool drug actually and I mean, of course, IT works if you burn yourself and survive, you are not can be stressed about a powerpoint presentation you have to do the next day um and the way I think about IT is this is basically like cold plunge from me you know, like if you want to get in and shot the system and get back to IT, you know fuck a cold plunge, just go due combo, you know. And honestly, if anyone here is listening and you want to start combat inc. In windward, which I think would be the perfect location for this, let me know. And if there's a frog token or something else that I can get, the guys that should be excited about would seriously love to invest in this. The first time I actually.

so I am this unprepared for this. I guess that is the first time here that he even was fragmentation. And then as rather you were first saying, IT, I assumed what you meant was like someone was trying to do IO osca.

And then they were, I don't know, bit by a poison is frog or something. And that's why they were puke. And now you're telling me that they are actually doing fragg beta on purpose.

I guess what i'm wondering is why the office why is that, that people want to graft? Because clearly, what this has to me then is that the people talking about this were interested in the truth. They want us to go out to iowa. K, in particular, is that just because I OK is more cash, I and someone is just doing frog vintage is obviously stupid. Or or what is IT?

Yeah, I think I wasn't like, people know that is right. I just to describe what combo is. So that kind of boring also, it's just hilarious like the reactions people had to IT. And I think it's just more relevant in tech and twitter like the people who are talking about this. So I think they just we're looking to make a jail and want to talk about.

I asked. I'm looking for for something more in cities, though i'm looking more in cities. motive? I just don't. To me, it's not so in terms of a joke.

The fact that these guys are going into the jungle in doing fragmentation is I can make fun of that. I know how to make fun. That's funny.

That's like a really stupid thing to do, and I can make fun of that. It's not any less funny than iao aska I waska is. I mean, I guess I saw the meme over and over and over again.

It's um the same thing. Every time something about I osa comes up, you you've seen the new short trade twitter thing happening. I've seen people say something. It's like, you know fact fact at a point point point. And then IT concludes with to have your mind rearranged by a sixty demand or something that kind of roughly the construction of the N T I O wsa take is like you have gone into the jungle and you've let a deam and in uh entry your your body um just what you think I have a hot take.

real a real take and in time permitting a little bit of a funny story or and do for my attempts at reporting earlier today. So my hot take place off of some of your commentary around like the drug please and this to me just seems like a little bit of a remix that they don't do drugs, moral panic. And I just don't know why we care.

Like I personally do not care if somebody wants to part take and drug tourism, I don't care if they want to go, do I? Osa, and and so I thought that was interesting, that somebody thought to tweet this and that he, like, took off, right? So the guy who said eight out of eight CEO, he knows an awesome, yeah um awesome.

Alred theyve quit from doing this. So I thought that piece was actually one of the most interesting was digging in there and if you follow his kind of wine and commentary, he comes out saying only four of the eight are happy with their decision um no one really jumped on that, which I like. That seems like a more interesting story to me um and really leads me into you know my real take which I am was thinking of how many CEO have done I O osca and loved IT and had their companies Better off for IT right .

I when I saw that the CEO thing that because this is I don't know if often even started he definitely said IT and then IT was like addressing commented on this um I believe IT oh you know who else IT was IT was aasha event now I actually .

was actually ever yeah I was actually .

any made indian times there's a story online that like this drug takes founders and destroys them. And my perspective as someone who is running a company and is surrounded by people who are running company, i'm dating someone who's running a company is it's an insane grind and you're not what you're not doing when you have a startled p is taking time off to go to the jungle le to have a religious experience with a drug.

And if you making that decision to go and do that as A C O, i've no douthat ceos have done IT, but my perspective on those people is if you're going off to do that, you've already checked out of your company to a certain degree. There's a difference betwen, I think, being the CEO of a of a larger company post IPO or something and a startup, if you're start up founder and you've not yet hate like the crazy levels of success, there's I don't there's no time to do that. And if you if you are making time to do that, it's because you're looking for something to take you out of the game and it's not the drugs that are doing IT.

You just you did IT by choosing them to begin with and um I just have a yeah I I have a hard time believing it's like some magical thing. Or some chemical thing that that makes you not a founder anymore. Yeah, I think you're right.

It's it's just truth seeking, right? Like you probably want to quit your company if you're going on a vacation. I mean, you could have just got to france, but instead you decided to drug either way.

You realized like you're stressed out, you don't do anymore, right? So you could I I think that just makes sense. Uh and I think for people like you said, like okay, five, my friends with their companies that they provide their friends and they provide those companies are great. And like maybe it's a projection like I wish they were making their company are not more said about IT or may be terrible if I don't I don't know these people that I how we they just what they .

want to to the only way to really prove IT out is to you got you need a different kind of experiment here. I think you have to actually force a bunch of founders to do the drug. So if you get them together, if some kind of like CEO summer, let's say like technics disrupt and you just ike the punch with a osa or whatever and you know come back in a couple of days and see how many of them are still running companies.

That information that for me is more interesting um but until then and terms also like the idea, like do we care about the drug? I have a philosophy on this with drugs in general which is like I do not care until IT becomes my problem. Now if you are outside shooting on my front current, I want to know what drug is responsible for that and um and I have a problem with that drug uh but if you are just dropping out of society but you can still pay your bills and whatever, then it's like I have a hard time seeing the difference between that and um between leg lets say like weed use or something which is also being weirdly lump.

And I see this and I I don't smoke weed, haven't smoke weed. Ince, I was a kid, makes me crazy. I don't recommend smoking weed. But when people do smoke weed, what do I think about IT like nothing at all. Alcohol seems just as talk to to me, if not worse.

And uh, so does honestly excessive smart phone use see people scrolling away their lives on instagram and ship? I got something we're acto address eventually. But it's like I my bias still does be like addressing in on my individual level and I still like it's your to your body is your choice.

The piece that you would said about like putting people and making them do IT like that was one of the comments that I had was around like how many CEO i've done this and not with their jobs. Like I think that would have been a more interesting piece of the third.

but I couldn't find that who are they? And of course, do not incentivize to talk about IT like what at this point you're creating this anti drug narrative and you have also you have investors who are saying this is terrible, you're bad for doing IT. That's now which is fine.

I understand that. I actually understand that perspective and I I I think it's a perfectly reasonable perspective. I slightly disagree, but not anything entirely. But of course, also you've created this anti drug discourse and these people are nervous to be seen as someone who is not a serious founder because they, you know, once trip balls in the desert, a burning man.

No man. Actually, if I was looking at those entrepreneurs like very pro um I osc a and like take people. But my my real take here was that the the danger eo OS opposes is actually the fact that I could be like a major disruption to big farma.

Um there's just the need for alternative forms of medication like I don't think we've solved healthcare in the U S. Drug Prices are really high and why are people going to do this? I think they're looking for alternative forms.

So we have a huge mental health care crisis. You know, could I lost to help lower the burden on our emergency rooms? Right now, there is a ton of research that IT helps a lot with addiction issues.

A, I OK has being used to treat P, T, S, D. I have a close friend who shared with me today that I was can help number cover from moldova. ity. So I think you know there's a lot of uses there and maybe another interesting pivoted the stories that impact on on farma.

I wonder I mean, we don't know the truth of any of that stuff and I I also I people maybe um who knows what I can I can do and who knows what like cylon can can do. And but I agree that is interesting, that there is this a version to try new, easier to access tools. I would say I had a problem with the overmedication of people in general.

M, I would include these kinds of drugs in that this idea that you need a lot of study to, like, take things to fix yourself, probably in many cases, certainly in many cases you do. But they were just a little bit overmedicated in general. I also, I get my last thought on the difference between these drugs.

I'm wondering about the difference between the psychodeviant and feet means uh you have I saw in the conversation on this another recurrent theme which is um the real promise psychedelics and we should be all sort of more down with amphetamine use because one of them is more productive and one of them is entire production. And to go back to my original point about like or one of my original points on what classic drug coverage me is, is when a guy shooting outside of outside of my apartment on the curb. That's math.

Is that now or math? And math is an ebt mine and IT seems to me that epitome use has huge negative externalities. Including I think probably most of the course less in our discourse is coming from like these math, legal math atoll freak who are working in media taking this drug every single day of their life and they're agitated and angry and they are being mean to people online um and I do think that has I get this slow like degrading effect on our society in a way that smoking a jab, I really don't think I really am my sense not as bad for society. Patch.

what do you think last time was on the podcast people are uh, helping up scientology and now you're having a mormonism. I'm just to confuse which called you join log. I am, I never say about science.

Gy, yeah I I would never ever speak ill of science logy, but I believe I believe that the the the faith, the faith of the discourse, the faith, the shore, the discourse IT is maybe perhaps more ism .

quietly ah. So personally I am in the pro and femme category in this very moment because I have slept thirty hours, I just fled poland. Um enforced I don't have at all um uh you know in terms of real takes actually know another thing before I real take is the experiment idea is actually really good. I think we have a historical opportunity to the first like double blind clinker trial and the amazon jungle with h shamans instead of like you know a big farma run in clinker tram boston or a mail clinic whatever. Um honestly that my my real take here is I think uh culture and society has a tendency to overshoot on any new thing and obviously psychiatrists are not new but like culturally, they're coming back into the right guys and um you know i've definitely seen people that is helped, but I will say that the cases where the outcome of doing a lot of psychedelics was obvious was asem trick to the downside like um like I know people whose lives were just completely ruined by like I know a founder who am going to name them but he was posting on facebook for you know a year manically about how you know he was meeting the machine oes where the entities and they asked him to come back as the incorporation of Chris but he denied the mental responsibility and he's returning to just being a human I another friend who noble shit um is dead now because he's ec alex and I known for seven years who's when the first people I remet when I moved to and cisco was one of my closest friends and watch him get hollow out over seven years just like every single progressive iteration is eyes getting a little more hello um I think that these drugs kind of have have some permanent effects, positive or negative or positive and negative right like you know you can look us up medical leaders and I forget the name of its like persistent pollution agens disorder or something.

Andrew cohen for channel five hazard because he do to each trims was like twelve we just like see snow and like permanent uh Frank balls and stuff um and you know in my friend's case, who whose passed away um just became trade dinar's emotionally sensitive in the same way that like if you're tripping on a second out lake and you become super sensitive to your environment, you keep a part about with you to the point where you have you live in a echo chAmber, you can take any outside advice or feedback you like putting up a larger and larger bubble around you um and I think I think if at cisco o especially you know the the overshot effect is kind of real. Like as I think back to his case, uh there was just too much uh collective reinforcement. IT was very hard uh and unpopular to go to someone like that and deny that they were not growing and becoming a Better person and that I think the other day dangerous thing about the category drugs is you never see people who are fin heads or crack heads or math heads who are like, oh, you know, fin has been amazing for me has reduced my anxiety at horrible backpack and the opium and know has just been so amazing life changing for me.

We accept individually at the societal level the desert is really bad for you um for psychodeviant s it's obviously much more new ones, much more neutral like IT absolutely has helped a lot of people. You know obviously the Chris play out now with aiming clinics, help people depression and P D S D and things like that. But um you know it's also enlarged kind of cottage industry of like corn code experts with very questionable credentials who are just always arguing that you know any problem you can fix without really further elaboration and I would say like in the years that I lived in seven years ago, there were probably like half a dozen people who I had pull side at some point one of wine um because you know their friends were encouraging to do drugs to overcome their anxious or a you there the romantic disorders in some cases very serious psychiatric disorders and I to tell them like hey, you should actually be really careful with this. Um i'll stop ranting, but I takes a little bit new on stone.

Yeah I mean, it's like don't to drugs kids I do think that ah we maybe you do need a little bit of a disc there. I I I I don't recommend that. I think it's like there's a huge difference, obviously, between becoming a chronic user of something and going on a journey once to the jungle to try a drug that.

Is it's worth I think it's worth poking a little more at what is driving the conflation of the two. And I think it's maybe there people who believe it's not possible for us to just have a little bit of the drug. It's like either you you tolerated, if you tolerated at all, you sort implicity tolerate abuse of the drug.

Um and then there are people who are able to talk to do with a little bit themselves, and they feel, I think correctly, like what their rights are being threatened, the rights to use something that they think they have no problem with using or being thread. And they have have these benefits. Plenty of people have experiences. Obviously, there are people who've been really hurt by these things and there are people who've expressed like my life has been changed for the dramatically Better because of this, is that whatever the drug is.

something that Jesse said, that still got to me with how life founders, when I want to admit to doing, I wasa because just that thing, if you do IT, you're like the iowa guy. So like, the comparison I can make is like my goat, iron Rogers, who played quarter back from my team in new york jets. He take IOS ka, and now everywhere he goes is like, he's the iowa as a you I wash on the earth season.

You're like, okay, we fuck get IT did I was go once? So like there is a contention. And then like I felt some friends and I get some of the Patrick i've had like people done good experience ad experience, but like i'm cautious about doing IT because and I could be the bad one and I could be the guy guys lost at sea and i'm just like hollowed out. I don't know. So it's me.

It's different in sports, in tech because in tech you you have a tradition of drug use associated with doing well with tech. And that all comes back on Steve jobs, who very famously did a bunch of acid and talked about IT as one of the reasons that he was Better than build gates. He advised to be gates to go trip um and and that, I think became really a part of the culture to a certain inset.

I ouldn't say doing the drugs became a part of the culture, but I do know many people who have, and obviously that stories important to them. But also, burning man is a huge part of tech culture, and burning man drug use is very much a part of that experience. And so he is kind of linked up.

And in a way, I think it's you it's interesting to push back against that because what was really happening with the investors really like k these, these founders have destroyed themselves by doing IOS. They're pushing back against some this interesting kind of cultural thing that had sprung up inside of the industry. I just think that a there's always a question of what is weird and what is not not and cultures changing so fast that i'm not actually sure what side of this debate is. The weird side is like the drug side, the anti drug side, like which one of them is the radical side and I just want to always keep space for weirdos. And yeah I mean.

for Better or words like symantec, o IO assa is quite pedestrian. You're never going to be like, oh my god, like you try now, you know. I mean, like that can be cool and I just go or lame like it's just a thing that everybody does personally, like you, I am trying to this stuff. I think like you're so long, life is pretty good.

I don't need to know revelations so i've talked to my blue founder about kadee I friends who have done and like know you're always curious basic I don't break my brain or ever and i'm not doing any soul searching so why risk IT I mean if anything um you know that founder talks about all the great things that have happened like you know for his family, for himself and so you know you hear all these great stories. That's why mind bloom is pretty Normal now you can go online in order and you know choice and Kathy and I think it's a great form of therapy if other things aren't working for you. I really always be funny, is like, did that even come up in this discourse like instead of being versus big farma?

What if you know mine blimps out there, you know, I was that sounds fun. It's our cool competitor. You get to go on a trip. We'd rather you order enemy to your house.

I don't know. Yeah I can add into the flt you drugs comment I have a summer vice from a name as sister of my naive quite a few. So it's not giving IT away.

But I would send out a tax being like him. You don't I ask you because I V tivy shot and SHE hasn't in her reasoning I thought was pretty good. Um I heard you only needed if you're not connected to the spiritual realms like i'm already connected, I don't need you so .

you also have to instead I know I know a bit about our waska because before tech I worked at an imprint called torture and um we publish a lot of weird esoteric like magic kind of li type book and I aosta was a huge deal among those people like before I learned about the burning man crowd. Um they care a lot about IT you have to go then I believe it's peru.

You know do I think i'm pretty sure it's peru, but there's a certain kind of shaming that you're supposed to do this with. It's like a whole spiritual thing. It's not just like let me experience, you know so so I went easily. Well, eyewash is it's not that I wouldn't be crazy to hear the word I ask you like we have a frame of reference for IT. IT is unusual to meet someone who's done the whole type experience but a lot more common is probably coke use and that seems like way worse to me to be like certain ly like a regular user of coke in and like clubs and stuff um in this stuff just flies under the radar. People don't talk about IT.

I think that's kind of the ideal outcome is honest people just don't talk about that. I mean, this is kind of, to your point, uh, cardiff. But like my ideal outcome is people use the drugs that they want and it's not their personality. Or you know, I guess on the universe is not your personality to be against drugs. But I would default say that the people on the the pro PC delic side are much louder than the ones on the antisemitic lic.

I I don't think people really care that much like i've sure there's someone in you talk who together the devil letters still and you know the harmful effects of marijuana and they also probably don't like you know six dimensional as tech machine A D demons or whatever. But um yeah I think people should just do IT if they want to, they should just be careful. Um I honestly wouldn't even know how navigate the whole like clinical side sec deluxe because I know that's popping up.

But like where do these people get their certificates to? They like P, H, D. And ology. I I really don't know how that works.

Well, the certification for the I oasis journey is your ashamed ment. you.

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that I matter, just like born rays in the L. A. And they like used to be a real taken, now they are like playing two months a year in peru, just made you like two major and fifty grand a year.

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I think we are about anyway. We are way over guys. It's been real.

Thanks for the drug talk um ray review comment obviously hope the mention is tell me about your wear drug experience that I would love to see that in the comments here but more importantly to tell us who want to hear more from um Jessie Patrick or cardiff, it's been absolutely real. I will see you in the ethereal realm. Um when I was I just get get weird. I'm not doing IT goodnight bye.