Snow White Went Woke & Plane Lady Isn't Real?! | PIRATE WIRES EP#10
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I want to know what he saw. Yeah, what did you tell me what you saw? Like i'd be much more likely to subscribe your newsletter if you were like, listen, I saw I was a straight up retaliation.

I'm going to explain what retina are uh, for eight, ninety nine months I will tell you how to defend against him. Down in me i'll go to a course of retreat. Just you do yoga as well like i'm in take me to ecore teach me.

Welcome back to the pod. We have a pat show today um honestly, I want to talk about snow way. I like dying, dying to talk about IT. We're I mean an right about IT this week. There are a bunch of things this week we didn't get a chance to write about um but IT is just the apple of my eye right now and we've got to get into IT we're talking about the crazy plain lady and the question of whether or not her apology in her apology that the same woman is like a huge experiences theory that we need to break down and then like through that insanity I think we need to you know it's it's found to talk about the stuff but um there are some like real world ramifications of this level of degeneracy in the country and that brings us to um so he from this goes homeless crisis uh saudi wrote incredible story about that this week that were going to talk we going to talk all about and and then now we we have to get into so let's just start snow White in the seven warbles um this is a wild okay so I guess in the in the in the there's like the papaya of crazy disney controversies and we'd been coming harder and harder over the last few years, disease fully and balls in the culture war, just like completely introduction there. This would not be something I would be talking about.

This is like the new snow White movie were IT not a controversy that somehow just keeps evolving in such slike remarkable fashion out of the gate, I think about a year ago, he was revealed that the new snow White was going to be played by Rachel egor. Now this is kind of immediately a ray swap controversy as we've seen in like the little mermaid, things like that, which I care less about. I mean, we talked about IT a bit.

It's a thing but not a message if thing that we would focus on um there was a much funny or controversy about the dwarfs s in which uh there were no longer going to be dwarves. There's just like a sort of cash IT looks like the united colors have benefit um somewhat. It's like they're no longer doing dwarves because they're saying that this was bigoted in some way but then dwarves got mad and they were like, you're racing dar this is the war of racial IT was a whole wild controversy again, like funny, but didn't touch IT now Rachel popping, Rachel regulate actresses of snowy popping back in the chat because SHE just been sort of relentlessly attacking the original movie just like an interview after interview.

This is something that I picked up. Maybe we can a half a guy. I noticed if for the first time on tiktok, and I was nervous that like tiktok figured me out and they were just sending me, said that I agreed with.

And like this can be culture, right? Like the average person can be the average person thinking about snow. I can't be actually on my side here. Are they like just sort of seeing her attacking this movie and getting angry about IT? And they are that's like it's like another example of the broad culture shift. Um but I want to break down the whole thing and you guys been following this and is this such a stupid question to ask? I'm going to ask you, have you guys this no I controversy and I is go you up like two years.

It's like the most stagger controversy. I feel like I just like disappears like people are first like they were like it's snow White, not snow mexx like I are whenever .

and .

then they just like there.

but no mexican snow .

pole ish but the people .

who are safe with race wap. I will say that this one was like a little more disorienting because it's like, I mean, her skin is White as snow but it's like a part of the the story that woman said, like I I don't care really about that but .

she's columban polish and but it's like he has like the same hair and skin tone as me like, you know I mean, like it's like she's like kind of like a little .

bit all of the camera in west side story yeah I think this is like an ordinary prancing through the fields or something. I mean, definitely a thing. It's definitely decision by disney to .

diversify the cast is I mean, we would of black loss, but also slated if maria was that story .

originally in a different age, there I was back when we were very swapping in the opposite direction, the river.

river. What do you know about Rachel style? Was he because I saw a clip of her as a Young actress like IT seemed like he was SHE been actress for a while SHE like a child actor .

showed up um I don't think he was a child actor. I think that was more like SHE got a um SHE got casting some musical or something um whenever he was like in high school I was like she's SHE wasn't like a disney channel kid or .

or something like that. He said that he like applied for the very a thing like the center profiles and and and SHE got IT that way yeah .

I think west sides story was like her break out but I for that now sager .

controversy you were saying before .

you are saying yes it's just been going like whatever I was announced uh there was a controversy and then IT seems like ever then there was controversy with the doors because Peter deng, age of game thrones and other staff very rock. Um he said that he was basically criticized the movie for having the wars because he was like a carrio difficult or something and then other towards got mad at him because they were like, you're taking job. There's a lot of work out for us and you're thinking like the one good but peers Morgan .

brought so peers more I mean not a dragons into p Morgan discourse. Peers Morgan who I think he's like filling from the U. K.

But he's obsessed with all the dumps IT happen in. He drags like he has a standard gay woke guy. He brings on this to beat the shit out of funds on screen.

So he brings that guy on to talk about the warf controversy. And then separately, i'm assuming he didn't tell the guy this. He brings on a an, a warrior actor.

And so he has this he had this work White guy being like, no, it's like rude to have warriors in a movie and he has this war who we asked debate who's like, you're a racing us and like, we need jobs. Why don't you want words to have jobs? And like, that's what the controversy was, I don't know, but I was like.

eight month ago yeah I start shortly like the um the drafts guy from jack as he was also upset about that. I think which .

direction did he land down? Was he in favor of the snowy in the seven doors or he wanted snow, he wanted the door .

the united college of milton OK.

because they swashed that they switched out, would just like IT looks like a gaggle of sort .

of like IT looks like in a methodical clinic. Now it's just like a little. And that is just like these Normal sized racket, just like fed up in a see what i'm like this this is not for kids. This is scary what contaminating, which one worth they kept in one dwarf. So it's like that you didn't even go all the way you have, do your hillton and be like only crack head of Normal times.

Why would why would Peter english not want to work if I don't understand that position?

This issue, I think, was like that they're all living in a cave together.

IT was like a toga ization of IT. Maybe it's like what wife and called the doors. They're just people. It's like we're not your clown kind of energy.

And I guess that is like, I mean, if if you were to step back and look at dwarfish representation in fail for the last century, it's like they're a lot of Peter dickle ages out there playing whatever was the carrot play on game of thrones, which, like a real person, good, violent love interests. But they were love interests in real motivations and chAllenges. It's like they were closed.

The IT was very that I think IT was crime at that I was like with the assumption that maybe we need more dorst reading men. okay. And the day .

after that.

there's just been it's been like a trickle of controversies. Like every time this woman, Rachel regular, speaks on the issue of the movie, SHE kind of puts her foot mouth and she's like, oh, we had. It's not. There's not the prince isn't going to be saving anyone and um kind of shooting .

on the but that those are the recent cuts. So I think the dork thing in the race, wapping, that was all all a while ago. I think the recent stuff is actually much more interesting because the old stuff clock in the way that you would expect its like people who are obsessed with culture were fell in predictable ways on those issues.

Now you have a eg, we're getting out there trashing the original snow White and she's basically accusing the original movie of being sexy SHE saying IT was written in uh produced one thousand nine hundred and thirty seven and you know in this movie the prince is not going to be savings know why she's going to be you know a strong leader globus they are calling your on tiktok um and I eat all this the prince of stocker ish and in this this kind of stuff talk about how was he didn't like the SHE actually didn't like the original SHE had had scary SHE didn't like the ride just coming off really I guess you have people who get mattered or because no one likes someone to seem ungrateful for what the average person perceives as in in one of the great opportunities in the country you get to be a princess and on the big screen um you know a widely celebrated actress it's too o um I think it's interesting because this movie. I mean, people become period so not a leader SHE pissed off the typical culture war riving people SHE pissed off disney people and disney people are up like a disney adults is like a scary other it's like they're like beyonce stands or something like that level of k pop stands. IT is like it's like that level of intensity when you come for the shift that they like.

And so they have descended on her, you know, how dare you come for snow White? And you would expect some of this for any disney movie are the more recent one, like r yellar, whatever. You know, you change key things about the movie.

And people get mad though that actually was Greenly gracious throughout every second of that controversy. Um I think the big difference with this one that a lot of people aren't maybe fully wrapped with, its like not only is IT a lack of gratefulness that you're seeing, but it's a lack of kind of it's it's ignorance. Like this movie is not just a movie.

This is the first animated feature in history. This is the movie that created the genera. This is the movie that put disney on the basically invented disney as the major studio that IT is IT.

Is that a major part of not just systematic history but american history and um and the history business? Now I mean, think about what disney has become and and she's just a piece of shit about IT. I like IT is annoying, but it's it's interesting how everyone is annoy.

No one is taking her side at this point. He is not kidding that. She's not kidding that culture or love from the feminist, from the people who want to talk about unless P O, C stuff is just like no bibe shift. Bibe shift is here.

Yeah, one other person I I don't think i've seen anybody like defender. The cause i've seen is actually me that was that he was really a defense. I was just saying, like I I don't know why anybody is surprised by this is disc. If you think about a disney really as IT made a movie where like the parent saves the princess in my whole life .

and i'm like not .

not get too deep and what i'm like getting real close authors and like the last time, I feel there's even like an actual kind of like love story, as like the even kind of a main point was like pokhara, which came out when I was like a baby and SHE saves him, which I guess is like the historical thing or like the myth or whatever. But it's IT has a really been a thing in like forever this this is kind of like it's goten more brains and I think lately with like the kind of flight saini sty stuff by um and this is a long road to get here I think .

that to bring up the feminist point IT was interesting to see so many people on, again, tiktok, which is what I consider to be a platform dominated by, you know, the cultural left.

There were so many viral video, most of the viral video I would say um the first wave that I saw were about the issue of like what a woman is allowed to be on film and he was Rachel regular IT wasn't a gratefulness um or her lack of grateful ness IT was IT was that he was saying like a woman shouldn't be saved and a woman should be a leader and there is one that I saw the first huge one was like, why can I just talk to animals in the woods in bake like that was the a big part of the original IT was like, very aspirational to me and what the fuck is wrong with that? Like why is every woman have to be running for president? Um what is that in this? Like when you look at male dominated, it's is like not that mean men have way wider diversity of leading characters um in film and IT does seem like like what yours just sing.

I mean disney has really LED a lead into this one sort of architect for a while. So when you're talking about transforming this original, it's like, well, you've already had a bunch of features where you know that you have mulan and you have, uh, frozen and you have mulan things like this. We're like it's a totally different kind of girl is not the classic disc princess and SHE is a leader or fighter or all these inds of things and like, that's great to have that diversity but like why can you also have like a beautiful atheist?

Soft they are using the word soft, a good friend of a brain and in mine Chrissy um when he talks about family, she's like no others you can be like, why can I be feminine? Why can I be like a strong soft woman who is and they he uses this word solve. I thought that was interesting.

What do you guys make of that? It's lean out feminism. I mean, just like I think that there is, you know, when I was in high school, lean in by shell, sandberg came out.

And that was to me, like the epidemic girl boss feminism IT was just like, yeah women knin should have at all and that should be the aspiration is like you want to be in the sea sweet and you want to have your kids and you're gna you know maybe we'll be larch key kids but whatever like IT it'll be fine um and I feel like the the tiktok i've seen that are responding to reuters egr and saying like you know let this woman be saved let her be soft to let her, you know not be a girl boss me is part of this bigger lean out feminism trend or whatever, a movement where women are saying, like, yes, some of us don't want to be girl bosses, some of us do. But the people who don't shouldn't be shamed or look down upon for, just know wants to be state hommes or work part time, whatever. So you like .

dragons all the time. Yeah, I thought I was. I especially look as my sister loved like the talking animal vibe as a kid was like a very varium and IT wasn't snow wide.

I would have been like um like thunder and bandy SHE was a big an and the no so those old cartoons, they do even as a kid I we were thinking they felt, they felt dated. They were as exciting visually as then like the little mermaid or the lying king or something. Little mermaid was the first movie I saw the moving theater, and that is vividly burned into my mind.

So so important. I was a seminal experience in my life. Um but but yeah I just keep taking about that like why can hang on the woods with these talking animals in bake and isn't that just fucking beautiful? Um and it's it's true it's like why is this why is new snow? Why running for president ange like you just make a new movie um do do .

we think that this is gonna? What are the disney executive thinking about this? I mean, this is gonna of zero and rotten tomatoes .

at this no way .

this this is gonna don't know I mean .

have a year to recover from this before IT comes out. Um I don't know how they do because it's not that you know area although people ah how dare you change up whatever and it's like how .

are .

really well called audience loved IT IT did while the box office IT was a critical and a box office success. So then but then area was not so different. I think they changed a couple that I believe they they had the area al safe error rather than the other way around.

But for the most part, IT was very similar um other than met like creepy looking fish, flounder look fucking horny to me. So the crab but ah the this snowy IT feels like a different movie and IT seems like people really hate IT. So I guess we will see see I see will see in a year. I wonder if SHE SHE has to come out at this point. There's no way once the actors strike ends and because right now SHE says SHE can't address the controversy because of the actor strike um once that ends, they're going to start doing some damage control and we will .

see yeah one one of the things I noticed about the discourse specifically with what secular keep saying and what and said, what media what media on the cultural left kept repeating was were just updating snow White for modern times like that's the line that keeps going around, but that always just means making IT this weird brand of gobots feminism. That's the only thing that means that doesn't mean like adding iphones to to snow weight right or or anything else that is modern. It's just no, we're going to make IT in a specific .

way right in the mot belly here is they're clearly so they say they're clearly doing something with cultural. They're saying this is what a modern woman and men are and then people react to that and they're like, why renting you so much? It's just a cartoon.

Calm down. It's like, what are you said like you're specifically doing this to sort of make a statement on femininity in the year twenty twenty three. Um so people are going to have uh, a reaction to that um and they don't want people don't want to have to have a reaction to anything like I think people just don't want to care. They don't want to have to think about politics, bother watching a movie and um .

and yet here .

we are once again. I mean, I love this shit, but I think the effort person can added.

it's also the same cultural engineering lack explanation that they tried to use. The bud light controversy is just like the justification for having dolan is the face of of budget was we want to change the brand to make IT like not for frag boys and more for like a sort of new modern demographic of consumers and IT obviously attacked but light stock and we've got on history is one of the worst uh you know in terms of economic uh impact add campaign of all time. Um damage .

is the damage and still down.

It's a new code social media 之 will teach you like business classes .

are so I think I think .

we need to move to uh to the the plane lady， the the fake plain lady, the real plane .

lady. You seem like the kind of person who was aggressively glued to the crazy playing ladies story. I play a lot for us.

okay. So a couple of weeks ago there is this video that emerged of a woman standing on a plane and she's pointing at the back of the plane, and he is like, you could all stay on here if you want to, but this plane, it's not gonna make IT.

I don't give two fogs.

but I am telling you, right, that mother, for that mother, father back there is not real this, and you can fuck in down with ever night i'm not going to that mother fucker .

back there and then like the camera pants to the bag and he was like, that mother fucker is not real. And okay, so the first time I saw I like this is like one of because people keep selling these stocking skids on planes yeah and I always fall for them like and I was like, this is just a Better one of these but apparently he was real. But I felt like, so part like the timing was so great and everybody turning around the world. Um and IT just became like this mean where like people would like photoshop IT and they would be like um like and I saw when I am made a painting where you would like go back and it's like the latest monster and like tuba, like a fake ever live in which is like a very deep or no good thing IT just became this whole thing and then I think everybody kind of forgot about IT and the new york post um basically like dogs this one .

and after a while after a while, not knowing people wanted to know who this lady was.

Well, yeah.

because he was figured that .

out yeah and there is this, all this stuff where people were like, I believe her because she's so stop. There are a lot of like guys who are like what he .

does IT it's true like I think the honest thing actually is IT sounds stupid but if they gets an important point IT is he does not look like a crazy person on the side of the road like she's put together SHE seems SHE seems like like a like a regular aware person who just happened to have access to the material plane and him like understood something about reality but the rest of us didn't and i've got to be honest, like someone on the plain people that he stands up and says that on a plane next to me, i'm not on the plane.

I'm off the play behind her and were outside and she's like because you their video then there's video now her like outside, they're on the plane, she's off and those succurrere man week, you have to leave the airport and she's like, i'm just telling you, you have to save them like like you have to go out, you have to stop IT if I were out there, I be like, what do you? What do you need? Tell me what .

you need there. In the very beginning of the controversy, the video began to go via. I remember people were actually taking her seriously and there was there were really weird little conspiracists up about um like literal zer people in the plane. I saw a guy, I saw this online. People were saying like they were analyzing the background and like they found somebody in a heard, I think and they're like that's the guy that's .

the not real one SHE felt a jacon to like an entire universe of very deep internet conspiracy theory time um where it's like no longer there is a point in in the conspiracy world where IT starts like political and social and like the epstein's staff and if you keep going down you get to this kind of supernatural level of IT where you're talking about retaliations and aliens and they are and it's really hard to believe that are to understand actually who really believes this verses that is IT a metaphor and um is just a strange kind of it's very in keeping with the culture of the internet which is the our culture now where there is just dislike the ear of unreality over everything where you can't White tell what's real and what's not. But SHE was tapping up against that and of course he was framed as right wing by rolling stumble. I'll get to decide the second river you want to wrap .

up the the full story before we discuss the new ork post publishes an article basically doxy this woman um they say that she's her as Tiffany gos. She's a marketing executive from a texas.

They are like he lives in two million dollar home whatever and in some way and then they also have these details there like apparently this started with uh this started because SHE, the family members that he was traveling with, SHE believes that they stole her airports. But like how they never explained how we get from you stole my airports to this plane is going down on the and you're not real. It's like none of that is like clear. There is a controversy about like should be well, like I can't believe the new york post with dogs this I am like have you read the new year post but like I don't like um I mean that they seem like kind of unseemly like uh probably someone having she's .

not a public figure now she's a random crazy person who went viral. No one was heard um IT is I mean, you definitely should not be able to talk about a plane exploding on a plane.

I mean, I don't i'm happy that the you d bomb on a plane or like .

so theater, he didn't .

get arrested. He also pushed a flight. The attendant um and didn't get arrested for that. Um they just kind of like total to leave. And then this weird video comes out where it's a woman claiming to .

be she's dog. She's dog in the docks ing. So they're telling you a rough details of who SHE is.

SHE still has not responded yet, right? So don't know. We still have been heard from her. And then comes the video .

and then comes this mysterious video where she's apologizing. Looks foot together, not like someone who's like a .

schizophrenic is the original video is put together but beach, it's you know it's like it's giving miami vice. You know she's like going on vacation. I feel like hope is what I remember like that's the vibe here back now. It's like she's giving business. She's giving girl boss, yeah.

yeah.

yeah. And IT kind of doesn't look hard.

People like the nose is different, her heroes, a different color, which that can be explained obviously. Um SHE looked older and there is just and SHE person the words self to me is that SHE apologize like heap gy was like all I used like profit or on the plane in front of sheldon not because like SHE forced them to SHE delayed the flight by like three hours because they had to take everyone off the plane to like rechecked zone, I guess, to make sure nobody had like a bomber or something.

And then they also SHE also like pushed to fly, attended and was like extreamly at cops. Geno, that IT was just like, oh like a curse on the plane. I should have handled IT Better, but he didn't explain what he was happen. Yeah what happened? Like IT, there's just more question than the answers and it's all of SHE basically creates always a new social video count on twitter, youtube, on the all linked dies to this website, which just has the video and IT says warming so that actually says at the end of the video tifany goa as join me on my journey of promoting positive midtown health and sending up up against cy cyber bullying um and then it's going to website and SHE only ordering like a couple of newspapers and like rogan and geo letter because .

that's where he wants to go. He wants to go on rogan but he's .

a so yeah okay .

so many crazy things things about this video. I think the one that and just the whole journey in general that the thing that keeps coming up from music, why have we not addressed what actually happened? You know, nothing is is being addressed.

This like extreme explosion. You're talking about an invisible man on the plane, and you're going on and on. There is so much footage in the airport IT did IT was not just a small crazy plane moment, right? This is A A complete episode IT shouldn't even say that so that that's a bit strange um but then like you so you decide to live to there's a question of like is this the same lady so conspiracy theory I mean of course there you know on top of this out of the gate I see a video every day.

This guy actually uses A I got a piece of software where he just runs um image comparisons and he's like he just max IT and he's like, this is not the same woman and of course, I don't know shit about that that piece I don't know. It's a real eof software, but i'm seen that i'm like definitely it's definitely a different percent. I saw people check where where a where her address was and it's like the quarter of whatever, whatever and i'm taking, man, this is fucked up like you can't be finding people that threaten this doom out to a couple of blocks from the White house and i'm like.

what is going in texas? Yeah I thought I thought to.

I think it's probably, it's probably her same woman.

I just want to I have strong opinions on this, like there are so many all this. This is all back to people not understanding how, like make up and lighting work. And this is the same, the same people who like this is not the same woman are the people who like, you know, a few weeks.

So there is this thing on on tiktok twitter about how like hot girls have like a White dog on their nose. And it's just because of makeup and lighting when you take a picture of yourself and you're wearing like foundation, the light you know goes on your nose and IT looks like you were weight dot there. I mean, I don't know. I just yeah SHE looks slightly different in the video because she's holding the camera up and the lightings different um but .

I don't buy IT I agree with sana IT was a really unsatisfying apology video because you didn't explain what he was talking about. I want to know .

what talking about is a what i'd be much more likely to subscribe your newsletter of your life. Listen, I saw IT was a straight up retaliation. I'm in, explain what retaliations are a for month.

Tell down. Give me. I'll go to a course of retreat.

Do you do yoga as well? Like i'm in, take me to equal. Teach me?

yes. Well, apparently she's like a high power like marketing executive so like now Michael spiracle mica inspire y is like, okay, this is this is a real woman then maybe this is just like the most insane like marketing employee in history where she's like, okay, I have a public r list, public freak out on the play. I go on, rogan. I start like this like bullshit, anti boying charity. And I do like a bunch of ted topics, and I just become independent, wealthy.

So I thought that, I thought that myself. But when I see, after her apology video came out, I saw her outside of the plane. I just don't think he was taking those feelings that I just do apple a shit just did not seem like he was acting and SHE could just be the world's greatest actor. Maybe you know I guess that is all kind razer is that it's all scm. But I believe that he believes what .

he said there is that IT actually SHE SHE had SHE had a some sort of episode on the plane and like now she's dealing with the fallout and .

be or something. Why wouldn't say that? Like I was on drugs because i'm scared of .

planes and then because he is engh she's she's a Normal person SHE doesn't know how to noral people don't know how to deal with a huge keep personal P R issues like this SHE went viral. SHE had previously been to nobody and now she's she's trying to do communications for herself. And he is an icon she's like .

to SHE is the moment .

you so .

speaking of crazy people, we have get into some france disco. So I mean, all this and with two, you say you have on the one hand a sort of like, D, E, I type conversation gone off the rails. And then in the other, you have an example of, like, actual psychosis.

I think for both of those things, we have manifestations in the real world that have done real damage. This one is like, kind of a combination of both service guide ed as famous homelessness problem. One of the most things, I mean, this is like what europeans love to talk about when the same from cisco.

Why don't you care about homes, people? And it's like, well, I think it's just like people in temperature go really care about homeless people at the point where there is like endless services and what not becomes a magnet for every homeless person the world. But um that's been an assumption for a while and you look at data and kind of seems that way.

Um IT seems like a good opportunity to just collect all the information that was happening in the city about homelessness and to do this sort of conomo peace on why the city so fucked up in this regard. And that's what songs honey did take us away. Tell us the story yeah well so again.

as you say sanda IT started with just this question about like why are so many people living in object swaller on the streets of one of the wealthiest cities of the um anyone has been to a ference to go knows i'm talking about um and it's not just like panhandlers on the streets, like you have people intense smoking, fatal and cooking on open fires that sometimes turn into conflagration tions and like burn down buildings like happened a few weeks ago um and so I started looking through so even to go has a dedicated department of homelessness and support of housing that receives an ungodly dly amount of money from the city.

They get over half a billion dollars a year in money specifically for the supposedly like eight thousand almost people on the streets and so you do the math and it's like a ridiculous amount of money per head. So why are they still on the streets? And why are people still, you know, living intense and and vans and stuff like that? And IT turns out that the strategy is what's called housing first.

And housing first is basically this very extreme ideology that somehow gotten written into california's state law and sent from the school law that says that the solution to homelessness is to provide housing to everyone um and that the way that that should be implemented is by essentially providing indefinitely subsidized single occupancy rooms which are most often one Better apartments um and that the city should prioritize providing this housing over providing temporarily support services on the street care and that kind of thing um so as you can imagine, this creates a lot of perverse incentives for people to first of all come to differences, go um either for the housing or for the weather. The lack drug laws they also provide like types uh to people who are homeless there. So this is something that we didn't get a chance to mention in the article.

But like when you come to seven, just go in your homeless ah the city will actually provide some form of like monetary assistance to you um and they do this in new york as well. It's not it's not unique to sentences go, but um um yes, so they provide this kind of of assistance and it's it's a really awful system because in california they can't require that people in this housing um are sober. So a lot of the people who they put into the houses have drug problems um and they don't really have requirements in place for getting access to this housing or there's there's reset timer ation requirements don't involve getting clean or um finding a job like you can essentially if you want indefinitely stay in these housing units.

I think the average person who .

comes face to face .

with homelessness instance Frances go for the first time immediately makes an assumption that the city just doesn't have enough emergency beds, which is true um to to put the people into and so because they're N N enough beds, it's like you think oh homelessness nature like homeless shelters for the homeless. If you're on the street, they're at least a bed for you, maybe a meal. Some can. There's not it's because they're not enough resources for that.

Um and so there's this question given the city has spent several billion dollars over the last couple years for when I first started looking into the seven thousand people on uh on the streets now where around nine thousand people sleeping on the streets of safran ces go, there is a obvious question of like you just do the math is like will clearly be have enough money. For a bed for a one thousand people like more than that that we're taking one hundred of thousands of dollars a person. Um why don't we have the shelter spend decades? People been talking about homeless and S F.

It's been a conversations become louder and louder over the whole last twelve years since I I moved everything twelve years ago um IT just get it's a bigger, bigger tian now it's a national issue but it's been decades and decades of this um so several billion over the last few years but public many billions more um where's the money going? Why aren't their beds? And it's like, well, the reason there aren't beds is not because you don't have enough money.

It's because the city, the people who run the city are opposed to the concept of emergency shelter. They think emergency shelter mejor not ever going to get a permanent housing solution. That means a one Better apartment or two Better depending on what the situation is.

Um and you just kind of when you step that, that's crazy. You can't in the most expensive city in the entire country ah one of the most expensive cities in the entire world, you can't promise everybody who moves there a free one, Better apartment, let alone they. The kinds of people who are attracting are drug admins.

So you have people who need services medly, unstable, addicted to drugs. Um they get this housing and now we have and this was the numbers when you rush to the numbers of um how many people on the streets today, how many people in support of housing and like how much is that cost? Like what are they asking for? Just break all that down .

for us yeah so there's around seven, eight hundred people um either on the streets so intent like encampments or living in their cars um or just sleeping directly on the streets are right now um and people in in temporary shelters and then there's currently around nine thousand people living in permanently what they call permanent supportive housing units um so these are the indefinitely subsidized uh housing units that they they offer to people and there's crucially almost thirty three thousand people on the weight list for this housing um so there's this question of like where are these people these thirty three thousand people like the numbers are very bizarre um in this case in terms of like some of these thirty three thousand people are presumably not even living in inferences co these weight list because the are they just have rooms or something .

they're looking for a free room from the city which is what these people believe in. I mean, and this is if you ve had a hard core socialist on here, the dsa left in sf, let's say, I don't know all socialists think this way, but I mean, I think they do. The idea is that, like, housing should be free and in some verses going to need a place you should be, you should not have to worry about that.

There should just be a roof for you. In practice, that's I A beautiful idea in a fancy land where resources are magically assembled in front of you, and we don't have to paper things in the context of a civil inference, cisco, where you have the entire countries medical, unstable, moving to one place for free. Shit, you just can't afford that.

And I think that this conversation is like adding the average person doesn't realize how many people are being paid for by the city right now to not be on the street. Um I think the average person doesn't realize how much money this cost to maintain that system. H every year when they asked for more money, it's to build more of these units, to bring more people into the city that become permanently attached to this program.

And that is a taking time bomb. Because the moment the cities is not in a bolon, I can no longer pay for this stuff. What do you do with all of these people who need the city to pay for them to exist? Because there medical, either they're like mentally unstable or their total drug ads, they are not you know ever be able to take care of themselves.

Like what do you do with those people, the cities now looking over the next two years that I think it's some me like a seven hundred and sixty million dollar deficit potentially over the next two years because so many of the taxpayer s have fled the city and so much office space has closed. It's a dire situation and I I don't think I think is bad as the homelessness situation looks when you just walk to the reason like damn, this is clearly these people have a problem here. It's it's way worse, like maybe three, four times worse .

yeah and I do think like my take away from from writing and researching this article is actually I don't think it's true that all of the city's leaders believe that this is the correct answer. I think that what's happened as you have a very small cabal activists who have essentially captured the city's policymaking decisions like so the so mere breed and the department of homelessness unveiled this this five year plan um a few months ago where they basically are asking for over half billion dollars in additional funding uh, to cut overall homelessness by fifteen percent. So again, the numbers are just completely insane.

Isn't at fifty, fifty.

fifty percent for unsheltered homelessness? So on the street, street homelessness, fifteen percent overall.

This is okay. Listen, you see a problem like seven thousand, eight thousand, nine thousand people born the streets of 3Francisco。 And the only acceptable government response needs to be, how do we make that zero people on the streets? That is the only acceptable response.

If you don't have a strategy to do that within the next few years like you are. This is like criminal, negligent job negligence. Ts, in in my opinion, like IT is not even we're not. Again, this is not an unsolved problem.

If you don't want to be providing people in the most expensive city in the world of free house for the rest of their life, if you just want to make sure that people have, we are living in a society where you have there's no like, there's no sleeping on the streets for you. No matter how bad IT gets, no matter how mess up your life, we're going to make sure that you're not literally sleeping outside in your own filth. We're going to make sure you have a bed.

We're going to sure you have food, medical, had care if you need to um and and you know clothes and and things like that, the bare essentials which the city more than provides for um in terms of you know food, clothing and where we're missing is, is just the beds you need to take that money, the plane need to be how do we build enough beds uh, to get everybody off the street and then once you have that, you're no longer allowed to sleep on the street and that can be the only that's the only path forward is the only way that you're going to solve this is by you have to have an f buds and then you have to say there's no more sleeping outside. Clean up the drug and comments move on. These are not unsolvable problems.

And he tries me crazy that we can k, that we can just live in a Normal functioning universe where this very obvious solution is not the thing that everybody wants. And that's really that the real he friction here is not resources. It's not even I think as soon as I think you've kind of begun to touch up against with the average person on the board, maybe it's not not everybody on the board of surprises on everybody in local government.

It's certainly not everybody in the city. The average person assumes that this is the strategy. It's just this small group of people who believe that uh that this is you know immoral and they're not going to do IT when they invaded this insane plan.

which also has a bunch of crazy D I language in IT about they want to provide like a hundred and fifty unit, specifically transgender and gender on conforming households. They want to prioritize black LED businesses. And I don't know, organizations and historically marginalized neigh's ods is all this weird boiler play.

And the plan, by the way, I cost three hundred thousand dollars, like writing the plan, cost the city three hundred thousand dollars because they contracted IT out to A A homelessness consulting firm um have things existed but I just going to say that like when they invaded the plan, there were people on the board of supervisors like this guy and rafael mandelson who are like, can we please change strategies from housing first? Like this is insane. It's financially we're not able to house.

It's not just all the homeless people in Francisco. It's the thousands of people, the thousands of drug towards primarily who come to the city like inference. Eco cannot be the city that is responsible for housing. All of the drug tourists are who come and stay there.

which is the main. This is another a, they're constantly saying that the people in safran cis go sleeping on the streets are from safran this go.

And this is a way to say, I think, is a way to make an argument that appeals to many people, myself included, which is every city should be responsible for people in the city um and they shouldn't be slipping on the street and so the the only way to keep justifying all these funds in this program, even though more more people are growing on the sort of we are housing you in three one Better apartments list while concurrent more people are growing on on the street, it's being framed as like this number on the street has never changed. It's just slowly increasing in all of these people are from the city. bullshit.

Almost none of them are from the city. This is sand force go. Like none of those people from this, like robust wealth are capital of the country are almost none.

I'm sure it's like i'm sure it's like one percent. Maybe if I would imagine less than one percent were born and rays in santana go, the rest have come here. And largely for drugs, which is another thing that you can't really talk about.

We have this idea that the average homeless person is this, like, single working mom with three kids living out of a van. And that's not that I don't know where that's the case. I note that is not the case. In 3Frances go， where I lived for ten years, the average less person in 3Francisco is a mentally unstable drug evc。 That's the that's the average helmless person in safe cis ah and .

what happens when you play all those people in a housing good together like IT just seems to me like they're recreating the projects. But like like all of the social is that came from putting the poor people in society in the building together and all the social problems coming out with poverty. But like making IT worse because it's like you have to be like a drug attack or a schizophrenic c basically to live there, like you have to have like some sort of a problem that goes beyond just being poor basically is what like I understand more, less others SE like you could like loose IT, right?

Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah if you said if I was, uh, if you put your reason for entering the weight list as you are dictated drugs, and then you become clean, you lose your housing potential. Is the rules .

not explicitly that it's just that you can interpret the the eligibility requirements like that which is very disturbing um but yeah in order to get permanent sport of housing you have to site a disability and if you site that your disability is drug addiction or alcohol icon, for example um and then you get clean, then you technically no longer have a disability.

And so when they we certify or you know extend you every year, they do these these research fiction processes. Um when they research fy your unit, if you no longer have the disability, theoretically you no longer qualify for the unit. Um and I will say river, to your point, like there have been these are not luxury despite how expensive they are to Operate. These are not luxury apartments like the the living situation in these units is awful for a lot of people.

Um and one of the things that that didn't make IT into the article, but that um know we have talked about a lot in the the editing process is this shelter in place hotels initiative that they had done during the pandemic where they basically you know COVID started in sentences go is scrambling to get all the homeless people out out of the streets and into um shelters they rented a bunch of hotel rooms um from either like old hotels that were damigh ted or just like Normal hotels and they put a bunch people, most of whom were a lot of whom had drug problems in these rooms and the results were horrifying four percent of the people in the programme died again it's not clear how many of these deaths were were from overdoses but presume ly a lot were and there are stories about um staff who are just so traumatized by repeatedly administering narcan to people who overdosed ed in their rooms or watching people who you'd come to know and love die um from mainly fatal um that they required like trauma counseling some of these people we lapsed on drugs themselves. There's even in cases of people who then relax and died like it's the whole ecosystem of these supportive housing units is really perverse um and it's not it's just IT is really horrifying when you think about the amount of money they're spending and the kind of living conditions that people end up in. Garden I like it's .

also probably like a danger to with like after I i've seen like uh I didn't see a bit I heard and a flat explode one time and so loud and like like that people like in these like units that are just like full of drug add ts and they're working mad and people are like following to sleep, but like a cigarette in their hand or like just you know passing out, like leaving the stove on, like I filter is like so much in danger for things to blow up or turn down or um all that in that goes beyond just like you know people having like psychotic brakes and you know coming out with the gun or a iser or whatever. Like IT just seems like IT would be a disaster like a horrible like or was like prison like place to live.

We should probably move move on to mari. I just want really quick so um what what I found interesting about your article sung really was this the way that they count almost people, which is doesn't seem like a very serious way of counting. They count every two years and they do IT on over the course of one night, which is like, look, if you want to solve the homeless problem, why you counting people every two years in such in such a weird way? And I want want to mention that like it's A A really strange way of of collecting the dad.

Yes, they don't want they do not want the real information publicly available. They want to conceal IT as much. They don't want you to know how many people are on the streets. They don't want you to know how many to be born in support of housing. They certainly don't want you to know how many, how most people are not from sanford cisco.

Because if you have to address space on the reality of that problem, which is a growing number of free one Better apartments forever filled with drug baby S, A growing number of homeless people on the streets, and a massive vely growing number of people from around the country coming into the city for the free, not free, for the widely available fentener on the streets, plus access to housing, food, money, a free phone. Like if you have to just look, if anyone just looks at that suck you take one gLance. It's all but like, maybe like one percent of the crazy idea gues on the farthest left ever who think that's okay.

Nobody else thinks that's okay. And it's like it's clearly a problem of incentives in addition to a problem of I would save values like what do you think we should be providing? And I think the data just forces you to have that, that, that conversation with yourself first. And then I mean, if you become erratically zi like I was like, holy shit, everyone needs to know .

so um course listeners will know about the the the disastrous as wide fire the hit mari think was on on the August eight um but what recently came out uh was an article in in a local hawaii newspaper um that cited a few sources which would like direct no are anonymous sources but they had like direct knowledge of the incident um who are basically saying um there is a dispute between um it's called the department of land and natural resources which is their water resources management division on mari and uh land donors regarding the the release of of water to fight the the wild fire that was currently blazing and that that dispute took up most of the day right so um apparently according to this article on that day, uh we had some area that could have been saved or could have been prevented from from a catching on fire.

Waiting for water and some some big craters in an office somewhere uh we're preventing that uh for some reason um IT additionally came out that um the the guy behind this maybe is this man called um m clio manual is a deputy director for water search， water research management at the department of land natural resources. And he this this manual guy, his he's animated by this concept. He's on record.

You know if there's a video of i'm going around talking about this concept called one water, which is how hoy's, according to him, uh, traditionally managed water, the commission is responsible per per authorizing statue to protect and manage all water resources in the state. One water is like taking IT, looking at IT from a holistic s system perspective. And that's not any different than how hines traditionally managed water you know in in essence we treated and need of lies treated water is one of the earthy manifest stations of a god in aqua kony.

And so that reference um for a resource and that reciprocity in relationship was was something that was really, really important to our world, you and and well being. right. So this is the guy that apparently held up uh life saving water uh to fight these wildfires are ended up killing over hundred people and um now the stories sort of coming out a just a book in this um the the democratic governor of why josh Green has also eluded to to this conflict he said um one thing one thing people need to understand, especially those from far away, is that is that there's been a great deal of water conflict on my way for for many years.

It's important that we're honest about this. People have been fighting against the release of water to fight fires. I'll leave that for you to explore so okay so yes, this is gonna .

that right there is going to be a story over the next months and is going to be a huge story. Because IT intersects directly with this idea that your sort of cultural heritage, which I don't even know, I don't think any of us know how real this is.

This guys of hawaii study's major, I think a lot a lot of what happens um in academia right now with people looking backwards to various cultures, trying to identify with them as moderate people is invention. People just kind of making up entire versions of the past, including like everything from how people dealt with sexuality to like how people will deal with water. So like how are people dealing with water four hundred years ago in hawaii? I I don't know.

It's not entirely relevant to how you need to deal with water in a giant metal polis. It's like IT doesn't make any sense. There were no hawaii five hundred years ago, four hundred years ago dealing with that problem um but we have these weird histories about how that might happen and then it's like why is your weird cultural faith even a part of this discussion? Um and and here we are.

I think it's like it's a very sort of work concept, I would say. And people maybe forget halo extremely to the left. A lot of these sort of it's like the hawaii separatist I people um r yet in a lot of people .

who lost their homes and their lives are native hoi an people who are now like worried at a lot of them who are like so alive anyway are worried that like developers are gna come in in like basically pressure people into selling land that they've held on to forever despite the fact that maybe they don't like make a lot of money, that their land is worth like millions of dollars as is like each on property, but they don't want to go their home.

They look there forever. And so like native lines are actually the ones who have like they are probably the most by this because if it's like know a hotel, the thing IT burn down. Like you know it's a business, they'll have the you know good insurance or they will you know just say will show IT down whatever, like the people who like these charms are made for wine. So is like this. We heard irony to IT as well.

I don't yeah I don't I don't know how as a bureaucrat or as a person in charge of managing water like this um years sitting around on the phone saying no to the release of lifesaving water while a wildfire is blazing through your community like how do you what would .

you let your point? I think that point it's up. He's sing IT as a business could burn down. He seeing IT as like a piece of property owned by a business. Is asking to stop listing from burning down the entire business.

And he's like, sorry, that's not you know, in keeping with the rules of one water or whatever, you have to go ask the other towns people how they feel about us putting out the spire and he's thinking about IT, the way to even think about IT when you're entirely detached from reality because you've live your entire life in this academic, you know, clown world situation where these questions are abstract rather than like this is a question of life or death. And we need to have competent people in charge of these things. There is this guy Simon series um on twitter, he he said, you know nobody thinks about their jobs as jobs anymore.

It's there are these things that are still upon you there either award like a war that can be given and taken away. They don't think about them in terms of like, I have to do this thing. I have to I have a duty to the community. I have I worked for the government that that should mean something.

I I have a responsibility to my neighbors to protect the land like that, that how does that not come into play at a moment like this? And I don't want to get to Carried away here because these are early reports of, and we have a lot to learn still. But this has been a problem on mi for a while. We have now multiple reports blaming this man for um not immediately going in a with water, specifically because of sort of philosophy about this. And it's a conversation .

that we're going to have to have you. The other side of the story is the is the climate change angle that a lot of people have taken um the new york times for an article about about the the wild fire called climate change turned lush wai into box and um recently Michael shelling burger um and a few others I think Kevin ten articles um citing the fact that hawaiian electric which is the um the electric uh company that that services mi um as basically failed to maintain the grid such that a in in many places on mari there are just Sparks literally flying out of their power lines and one of the things that you're supposed to do around those sites is clear the um clear the grass and clear the brush away from those from those those sites so that IT doesn't catch on fire and um hawaii electric is apparently felt like was literally like dragged its feet on doing that.

They released a plan leaf and reports that they have are they the art inspectors connected to the board of that company or something was the thing that levine reported.

I don't know. But it's the the there's there a utility 的 commission that is connected to win electric and the utility 的 commission is responsible for kicking the wild d fire prevention plan back to twenty seven or something like that。 So there is there there's some mixing of of government and and private here.

I bought a piece a couple years ago during the california wine fires um which were also being blamed on global warming called global ming my homework and this is like broadly a thing that i'm very I think that there is global warring related stuff all over the place but the bigger problem is the total decay of our civic institutions. And like why people are under the false assumption that someone is in charge and actually like nobody is in charge. And again and again, when a crisis like this happens, you have people who are saying none of you know it's not because we didn't do this sort of like ground fall basic precautions, it's because of global warming is huge abstract concept that nobody can stop and therefore nobody is responsible for there's zero responsibility, zero countdown order and it's like at this point, I don't know like people need to start going to prison for this level of failure to um I mean you can't have a situation where everybody in a society thinks that this group of people who they've given money and responsibility to to protect them to maintain the power grid, to release water while things are burning down like you have to we have to believe that we have to know that these people have IT together and if they fail, it's like there need to be investigation, there need to be a trial and like many, many, many people need to start going to jail yeah well.

I mean, I agree. I agree, josh Green, the democratic governor of hawaii, also may agree. He he's not like I said, he said i'll leave that to to explore on the on the water, on the water conflict issue.

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