The Coconut Democrats, VCs for Kamala, The Corruption Of Wikipedia, & Europe Summer Is So Over
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There is no guarantee of free speech on misinformation or or hate speech, and especially around our democracy. Tim walls is my dad, calm as my fun, and he buys you groceries and brings them over with a six pack, and you have like a fun time together. Interesting here is not that we're talking about.

This is what we're not talking about. Commonly, Harris still has zero policies published on b. sim.

I'm so happy, are you? Like a mag hat in the bottom and in a coconut in the top right? I got to get the fuck .

out to hear super grave to like, know that somebody that supports an unrealized capital gain tax would be like OK you can be in office, right?

What's up, guys? Welcome back to the pod. We gotta pack one free today. In a little bit we're going to be talking to actually risen g, who just publish a peace for pie wires called how the regime captured wikipedia.

I think there's is an open question that we all have of what is going on over there IT just seems incredibly bias. I know that we've talked about on this pop before. We've written about that before.

I'm not having a flashback to some and discussing specifically the was at the flag stuff on wikipedia member, the flag that ve got all the all the immediate changes that was fucking crazy. But there's a bigger problem, I think, with wikimedia, which is the huge not profit above IT. So we're get into that a minute.

But first, I think we're actually gna open with Polly market, the Polly market betting markets this week because IT leads directly into this much bigger topic that we need obviously to discuss, which is the commodification of silicon valley, the broader conversation that's happening with her and also tim walls. And I mean, I just want I want to get IT into IT. So here we go with Polly.

So on tuesday, obviously, commonly Harris minister governor tim walls as a running mate. Walls is midwest. This is so what i've got here, walls is midwest.

Appeal increased Harris support by seven percent. Crucial swing states, michigan. I was consent. Now that is in an open question, and we can talk about IT in a second. I not I not entirely sure if I was the midwestern appeal that uh that bumped him up in michigan. IT could also be, I don't know, the really super, super, super anti israel a muslim's who live in michigan it's a michigan in minsa is where they are all concentrated and he chose walls over super o who will get into as well um .

here IT says he .

served in in the idea I I think this is did he serve that he volunteer it's not really clear what certainly super o who was the VP who everyone expected commute to pik. He is currently the governor of pennsylvania, the swing state. He is very popular there um but he's also jewish and that is not playing super well for commons bed at the moment.

Immediately there's a question of uh oh SHE antisemitic for not choosing him and I my accusing her antium i'm not I don't think she's antis. She's marry to a jewish Y I think that her basis increasingly antisemitic. I think there's a very actual it's totally fine to criticize israel, and I think there's a way to do that without being antimetric. I see A I see a mix now on the very far left, just like I see on the very far right.

Um but the important thing here is like this this choice on according to policy market, I mean it's swagger in in michio gan regards this maybe you'll say I don't know IT wasn't IT wasn't the a IT wasn't the anti israel a muslims midwest IT was the fact that everybody there loves him walls is what his carta or whatever the fuck he is in the plane and they're likely hunt turkeys okay that like appeals to them um but the search is improved commons overall chances of winning from forty three percent to forty nine percent. Now I think right off the bad it's there's a question of how much of this bump is walls, how much of IT is comma and how much he is just the sheer determination of people online to be obsessed with this ticket, despite all logic. And we've got a lot, we ve got a lot here.

I want to set IT up for you. I've got something in the moment you're going to be our jensie corresponding explaining what the youth are thinking about, uh, the ratification of the commons space online. Rightly we ve got to talk about the way that a the Donald trade administration is goin camila into doing an interview with mainstream news outlet.

but. The Polly market stuff here, the the numbers that we're seeing on Polly market now, just the way that people are betting on this IT leads me to believe that the vibes are really working. So not images that man, I I was watching a koala, one of her a appearances in front of the, she's been doing this this concert series in various states where SHE brings out these musicians and then people come out to see the musicians.

And then she's also speaking and SHE in IT. SHE showed one of the protesters, someone hackling her. SHE showed them, and SHE said, you know, if you don't let me finish trumps going to win or whatever, and he intends to end the affordable character, you know what? If you want donal trump to win, then say that otherwise i'm speaking.

IT was a very simple statement and the crowd ward like to applause and uh the girl and I see this girl behind her shaking IT with statement at at this like me ready moment and I just I guess I have a giant question mark. I don't know how much of this is real. How much of IT is just bought online astroturfing the entire thing? How much of IT is people responding to the astro turf? It's confusing when I do know, is that it's extensive.

So following the selection of walls, we are just immersed in cheerful group online. IT is people talking about the niceness of him. IT is people talking about how he makes them feel happy.

IT is IT is his himself. IT is well introducing calm, I believe, at at a rally where he talks, he anker for bringing joy back to the election. Now is separate from that. You have, uh, you have our boy pol gram saying, wouldn't IT be nice if every president I would that be nice? The thing that we need to be holding people up against hands for what we need from a politician.

We need to know if he is willing to, not even willing, if he is people, to sweetly read to kindergarteners in a kindergarten class, and you know, he's just a spouse, endlessly on on twitter about the importance of the nice, the importance of the cheeriest of the importance of the fact this just makes happy. Okay, like this is the really the important thing that we need to be talking about. We've seen, I mean, endless versions of this one.

Uh, increasingly popular one is just the sort of fictionalized of walls. I know i'm getting to a point. Trust me, just bear with me one more um I do want to pull one of these up so we've got we've got the people writing fan fiction this once from once from uh iron reagan berg no idea who is gonna lue check bunch of followers um all sort of stuff by the way.

I mean, we've got fifty different tweet here. Some version of this is just describing who walls is, who he is in relation to j advance. But this one really was the absolute a tim walls is my dad calm as my fun, and who lives next door.

They just found out on being bullied by the studieth kidding class. J. D, when they try to talk to his dad, don IT becomes clear.

He's the real problem. They go back to their car. Commoner pulls out a cop bad.

Tim grabs a whole baseball back. They walk back to dance porch as tim reaches for the door belt. They look at each other and smile. This is going to be fun.

okay? We've seen endless tweet of this kind. There are more. There was one this morning then I read that was describing tim walls as the kind of guy who cut your grass uh, in jd events, I believe, is the kind of guy who maybe does IT was IT like he calls the cops on you for cutting your grass or something and then comments underneath that there was a guy who was like none or no he didn't just cut your grass.

He buys you groceries and bring them over with a six pack and you have like A A fun time together um now who cares about all this right? Okay so people love him. They think he's like a vibe, old man.

The they're wearing flan el or something. Now they why does IT matter what? What's interesting here is not that we're talking about.

This is what we're not talking about. Commonly, Harris still has no zero, zero policies published on her website. Okay, this is a woman who does not have a platform, which i'm being like.

I feel like I keeps refections this and people kind of giving an eye role like elana like obviously, we're beyond that twenty twenty four. We don't do things like policies and platforms anymore. It's weird that she's not even lying about one.

okay? It's weird that she's not even doing a moderate sort of like a fake pivot to the center type thing. It's fucking weird. It's weird, king of weird, which they keep saying weird, weird, weird. What's weird is that we're talking about the word weird.

What's weird is that were not we're not talking about the border or um I don't know inflation, things that should Better in an election. What is the other thing that we're not talking about? So the second you pick walls, who is the government?

Minnesota, which is voted for democratic presidents for fifty years since reagan, was the last time I voted for a republican. And that was the election where everybody voted for. Everyone voted for region.

Nobody like Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter, I think, once was IT one state that voted for Jimmy Carter. IT was probably massachuset for something okay maybe for me and something stupid um but most people voted for regan that election.

Minnesotan didn't need minnesota where you need IT with pennsylvania that's wear. So just begin there. The other mesa that we're not talking about or any of his platform policies.

So we've got him now on clipsed that are going super viral because we have nothing else to work with because these people are not talking about what they believe in today. But we haven't on clipsed throughout twenty, twenty, one of them is the free speech thing, right where he says free speech isn't guaranteed. I think we need to push back on this there.

There's no guarantee of free speech on misinformation or or speech, and especially around our democracy. Okay, hate speech, misinformation, these things are not protected speech. Obviously, people are working out.

It's an authority, an speaking. We can obviously social media has been a problem, this stuff, but you can't illegally ban people from this stuff. Then you have, uh, a spouse support for writing. You have his wife talking about SHE open the windows so SHE could smell the burning tires, sort of implying how important was for her uh, in this moment this is again, this is the summer that rioting was legalized amErica um now you have the stolen beller stuff.

So that's not really a policy position and is not something I mean something that I care about, I guess morally but um what commons should care about is what it's going to mean electoral ally. So tim walls is being accused to basically lying about combat experience and um that's going to be a problem. But these are the things that we're not talking about.

And this is why the entire, I guess, group fiction of the discourse is so interesting to me, is because you always expect some of this. But but it's sort of coursing and rising through the substance 啊， even with Donald trump, right? Like he is a tremendously carony h cloney kind of a guy who brings all sorts of bullshit IT with him wherever he goes h insults and we heard fake news that he either attacks or creates himself.

Um but there are policies there and there have been forever, in fact, of the things that seem to really freak people out on the left. The first one of them all being built the wall. That's a policy position.

You can attack IT um but you can say it's not a position. He said he was not he was going to build IT. He was going to make mexico pay for that was on a side back then. And here we are today and it's it's still a thing that people talk about is still thing that matters. Um I do want to get into more of this but first, just rough cuts like how have you guys been experiencing the group .

online to be honest? I think the clip of of koala shushing the palestine m protester I think kind of summed up entire um democrat response to this sort of the mine democrat machine response to what their discrete tl supporters maybe not have to say about commons corporation. I mean, I have to give the palace ine protesters a lot of credit for IT.

Some of them are actually like sticking to their principles and saying, OK, no, we don't support this coronation. This woman is a continuation of jo biden. And this is an insane, anti democratic process that just happened and that we're all sort of expected to like we're all over and go along with IT does .

stuck to be a communism in amErica like I mean, they're noy, they're everywhere in the effective media. But if you are an actual communist in dc, like they do abuse you.

they do they abuse and and there there's always been this kind of, you know well, if you don't fall in line and vote for whoever they select, I mean, they did this in two thousand sixteen with bernie. Hillary where, you know debby waterman shots and the dnc kind of cluded to basically give you know Hillary the nomination and when people spoke out about IT, IT was like, well, how dare you not rally around Hillary and you know, you're trying to give the election to trump so they you know they always kind of um pull this like, well, you know if you don't rally behind whoever we've selected for you, you support the fool of democracy um and to me the it's almost like they're reveal and not giving a policy position like they're reveling in the brat memes and the camo heads and all this bulls shit that like their army of paid influencers. I can talk about a bit if we want to get into that is is pushing out and you know they are kind of rubbing in the faces of voters who actually want to know like, okay, what are commons positions that they just are not gonna they don't have to give them right because commons are clearly um I mean he was annointed and you .

know they are now .

mobilizing the immense machine of democratic fundraising and access to media um to you know make sure I guess as best they can that she's ordinated in november. Um so on brand.

you were talking about the post that he gave um at the speed when he was shushing the protesters. This is a really this is going to be a crazy reference and none of you you're going to get IT no this chats gonna get IT one of our readers are going to get this is my mom, my get IT um i'm not sure if she's still watching. I did just watch will probably be the last episode ever of the real housewives of new jersey with um any of the original people. Trees is the last one um for a lot of reasons that I won't get into but when I do want to talk about is a lot of the attention of that show revolved around teressa and her hatred of her sister in law who also hated her and it's a really dark show and I didn't even watch most of you because it's so dark the hate out of that moch and it's finally fAllen apart but in the last episode of this dinner where they just call each other like the hour and a bitch and know whatever, and they just gloves off, no more, pretending your husband with the bulbs and you've got the broad honey.

You come on, you animal. They learn from the best White dress, and they both do this bizarre, like i'm a bitch pose, and they do IT to each other and want to to charge you with finding that post and putting IT up and then doing a side by side would come up because they're giving the exact same thing, man. They're giving reality television like me, like i'm a bad girl and i'm standing my ground.

That's what you're giving. Um I also though I want to I do want to hear about the paid influencers first, I want to hear more about that post. You brought them up.

What about that do you think represents all of all of what's going on? I mean, no, you get the coronation thing. But what is about the pose .

about about commonly shushing the protester?

Yeah that moment what is that you're saying because SHE shushing the .

left is you're saying, yeah, well, I mean, I think it's that but I also think it's kind of a part of her brand. Is this kind of mama .

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prosecutor, right? Like there is. I think she's she's playing into that which is something that the democrats, because they've always loved the idea of having, you know like a smart, confident woman who can speak truth to trump lies and kind of you know shut down and what they what they think is, is kind of like pile winning and that kind of thing and and to me like shushing, I mean shushing is is something you do to a kid, right it's like it's very condescending sort of teacher like thing to do to a first grader.

Um and you I think they love IT because that's kind of in their motors up. And I in some ways for a while online with you know the way that they kind of cancel people. I mean, the right cancel people too.

But to her credit, what he said to the protester was stop talking. They're gonna lose. And I think there's something to that.

There's something to the fact that the far crazy left is very gravani zing for the right. IT is very motivating. You want to go to the pole and vote, those people is far away from office as you possibly can.

So I think that in terms of substance, I mean, he doesn't have policies, but in terms of tactics, she's not wrong about that. And he does offer I mean, this whole thing is an exercise in tactics. I mean, you have circumvented a primary to select somebody who you think is a Better chance of winning after the guy who was running for present, actively running for president.

To the point where there was a debate between presidential can, between the republican in the aircraft, there was a debate. We forget that, we forget that trump was almost killed. We forget that there was a whole ass fucking actual presidential debate.

We forget that he is circumvented a primary and she's now just running. All of these things have been memory holds. She's just it's like he's always been reading, I guess.

Um so tactically know we see these things in play, but you know it's it's less on the substance, on the tactics. I don't know that she's wrong. I think that she's SHE sort of right.

IT is, I mean, I love to see an annoying protesters shut down personally, always have, always will buy. I'm a bipartisan supporter of that. I really am um.

But I would like to see even one policy proposal. Let's just start with one. Let's start with, let's start with one about israel. He wants to talk about IT. He wants to judge the pro palestine people, the pro, I mean, they visit process sign.

The point is I in the profit we ll say that for another podcast um I would like to see her talk about IT though uh so before we get to that if we get to that, I know a brand and in rallier, if you get about the overall vibe um but this is part of that, let's talk about the paid influencers. Let's talk about let's talk about the pad, let's talk about the hats. I want to .

talk about all of IT yeah I mean, well, so cola chose to mult to be her her running mate um couple days ago and immediately after so so when he chose him to be her running may they posted tim commoner posted this obviously staged video um of tim receiving the phone call where he's wearing you know uh cocky pants and the cameo hat which is very important and like White sneakers and you know he drives to accept the nomination um and so this is immediately seized upon apparently organically I guess were not to were meant to imagine by um online influences who are like oh my god tim walz camel hat looks like the co hat sold by chapel ROE who's this like the western pop star basically um who sells camo hat is part of her merch and so they instantly lester of me tim walz and chapel oone being midwestern princesses into existence overnight and instantly after this I mean think that happened within hours um the commoner campaign puts out camo wall's Harris hats on their website the limited edition released at first which they claim counter fact tulis the most iconic potio hatt amErica of course the most iconic lahai n amErica just in terms of name brand recognition is the maga hat obvious?

Yeah never in history in history having a hat fuels productive.

And yes so they're really they're trying to basically you serve the meghan but um they release this and I instantly sells out I think in like thirty minutes three thousand of these you know spontaneously designed hello um and then within I think a day by the time teen vog publishes the of um you know obviously team vogue has long well they recently pivoted to politics and I think they're probably getting info from commonly hq um by the time they published their piece on this, the campaign has sold a million dollars worth of hats um and you know it's clear to me mean the mila the pivot to commute has been a boon for influencers is actually a pretty good peace in the otherwise untreatable wired on this where they basically talk about how certain influencers who post no democrat political content, their views have just skyrocketed since commons.

Um no was not got the nomination. And um so you have to kind of ask, is this really an organic expression of like influencers are seeing these amazing you know things in the the commonly campaign and deciding to make viral posts or what I tend to think, obviously there is kind of communication between the becomes Operators that the koala campaign and some of these influencers and they're clearly, I think um designing these these uh P R campaigns. I mean, how could they've come up with these hats that quickly? I don't know. Um so I .

will say that it's fun to talk about this stuff. I mean the coconut thing, the bad thing, it's it's perfect for social media and so I understand wanting to participate the means. I I can see how that would be organic, but obviously it's not an organic political movement because there are no politics.

How do you have a political move that's not grounded in politics? What what is IT stand for? If you had to write?

I I would really love to actually read peace from one of the mouth pieces of the state and say the new year times up at section like like what in the way that they were endless, you know, anti whatever think pieces about what Donald trump represented politically. They were politics that that they were talking about grappling with. What would you talk about here in the fact you can should matter that that should be interesting.

What does that mean um you know when you have otherwise intelligent people like program not interrogating that question because he hates Donald trump to the degree that he does um you know to get to you to a point where you say, well, look at this, look at the VP reading before in front of kids. Is that great? You know who else was reading in front famously famously reading in front of other kids was George bush famously was out there talking to little kids when he learned about nine eleven and then kept reading to him, or or capture.

What reading do that right? Is that getting that mean in my mind, is that he was so long ago that was the, that was the chain of events like does that make George bush a good president? Does that mean that? Does that is that is that where we are right now? We come on. I know that we're not I know that we're not um bad in rally what you guys make IT the .

group yeah I think it's it's interesting IT isn't just the paid influencers who are like going to defend a comalong walts like you also have like washington post commons Monica has who delivered my favorite defense of that yet which was in respect to one of his other pretty out there proposals the um proposal to put mental products in uh classrooms of ages like four, three, twelve grade I think but also notably like the men's restrooms giving him the nick in that is sense sprung up tamp on tim um SHE says actually uh the people who are handing out period products when I was in high school they they were king of they were king study SHE says which yep if your defenses saying that like caring around them in and hygiene is rise like there's no there's no law that you want student to fend the take, I understand .

this one because like when I was a fifteen year old, sixteen year old boy, I didn't no girl was talking to me about our period ever that was not a conversation. And he knows there is this really weird subgenre of feminist writing online where they're very obsessed with their periods and they want to talk about them. They want to it's like a but it's even among even among left is feminist women.

That's not standard. That's like a very niche position. And I I think maybe they would be into this this idea like men walking around with tamp ons to hand out to their female friends.

But even if that were the case, even if we were all doing IT, what woman would ever ask me in class? Not even a woman. We're talking about girls, sixteen, seventeen year old girls.

Which one of them is going to ask a boy in class for a tep on? I mean, maybe i'm wrong here and they just maybe I just not maybe i'm the sort of the minor of a guy that is not a friendly. No, I don't seem like the kind of guy who would give you a tampon.

I would if I had one, by the way. And I would not be weird about IT, but that IT seems like a weird thing to expect a guide. And I certainly have never heard of.

That was everything. I mean, it's obviously if I would just try IT mean, any any guy that would go out in the street right now in new york city and asked random women if they need tamp ons would be the creepier thing in the world. Like it's totally obvious that this is not real.

I mean, I I don't know that all I have to say about that. It's just clearly not a real thing. You would be seen as a total creep if you're walking around asking women about if they need me, if they need a pad because I think 第一 是。

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One of the greatest controversies of dymovsky time becoming a girl that was her series was like x days of being a girl, whenever was when he said that he would Carry around tempos in case a girl and the girl's room aster for one. Now, dilma vane, to her credit, I mean, dilma vi doesn't look like I, I, I, I understand that that I understand, I sort of understand that maybe you know and it's also, I mean, it's weirdly about her.

It's weirdly her sort of wanted to be one of the girls, but that the performance of a girl like that's what's happening there, right? It's like girls Carried tamp ons and they are share them with other girls. I think isn't that? I don't know. I feel like now I am started feeling kind of talking about this. I .

just feel A I. I mean, well, first of all, I have a lot of thoughts on on the temp on thing um well maybe I just have two dots and tampon thing. The first thought is like I don't actually see I mean, ostensibly Monica was making a very weird argument, which is that this is somehow like the goal of this was to get boys to Carry around pads and damp, like, you know, males to Carry around pads and tampons and give them there are a lot of funny tweet about, you know, the situations where people would give them to to women um which I guess twenty years ago would have been seen as really sexy because of be like, hey you are you on the rag take a tam ford and calm down IT is definitely .

how it's going to happen .

in high school yeah exactly but the policy was intended for you know trans kids basically ah and you know whatever what we can debate whether not that category is real, but the um that was how vote was intended for.

And I always think like if you're a trend boy, I guess who's who's trying to use the men's bathroom? Wouldn't you not want them to put path and temp ounds there because they kind of reminds all of the other boys who are in the bathroom like, oh, there's you know biological females in here and like it's a reminder that you know you're you're not a biological mail. No, we're making we're making a .

classic sort of mistake here, which is like trying to understand IT rationally. And we we're breaking in apart and we're looking for a reason and there's no reason it's just vibes. And so in a way, it's perfect.

All of IT maybe walls is the perfect guy for commonly like it's all vibes. Like why would you put of a campaign to a tamp on dispenser in the male room? right? Like that's a vibes. That's not a rational decision. That's a bibi's based decision.

That's like you are you just you just like getting left wing memes online and you feel kind of and you're like, fucker i'm on the i'm the governor i'm giving the boy's champions i'm doing IT i'm fucking doing IT you can't stop me um which I don't know how many of law works. I don't is he responsible for that? Did he just do IT don't know, don't care.

It's not as policy because he doesn't have any new policies for the election. I want to pay me a little bit, not even a little bit. It's the same topic in the sort of it's it's related to now its venture.

So the venture reaction to all of this I did dip in briefly last night to the VS for coma A A web or um like a bzw m chat thing they did. And where do I begin with this? Um my god.

So IT IT opens up with the creator and he was just you you could tell he was pleased with herself, okay? He was very happy to be there. This is the first time that anyone has heard this woman's name. And I mean, he was just related with what he had done, the sort of witness of this, the historical nature of this, I think he might have used the word historical um SHE is uh SHE opens up with SHE talks about how so this is for coming up really quickly is the group I think he was two weeks ago now, week ago or so, IT was a sort of an open letter that was published to the internet with a bunch of people. These who are supporting camera.

Is the long the sort of IT you can discuss, maybe why they were doing me, what the motivation was know what is a sort of we're going to get back to the sort of bullying the right wing people days of the past, this sort of new magazine thing in which some a small handful, as reported, uh, VS, are willing to talk about their views online, whatever they signed this open letter. They raise some money, they get a lot of press because the to the journalist credit, the story of you know, is is the market fiction of silicon valley is an interesting stories that true is not you only people talking. I mean, i'm interested in IT.

What is the truth there? So this is now part of IT. We now have a weapon or and and he says he opens with, you know, he wanted to thank everybody who signed that open letter, those first few people, because IT really took courage.

You know, I was, I was, what was the exact, let's get the exact fucking freezing. Let's just pull IT up and be journalists about IT folks as what I am. I'm a reporter for pirate wires coming at you, not alive.

But IT took a lot of bravery, assign this thing, he said, of the open letter supporting a democrats for president in the technology industry. Okay, when is the last time that the technology industry has had voted for a democrat for president? It's mind blowing that he turned this into a victim narrative.

okay. Like I don't I really don't know how it's possible then you have. So that's her going off about whatever she's just cited to be here excited to be in the venture conversation at all because he wasn't previously.

But then SHE district, a big guys, uh, one in particular one come my pops up and he says just very casually like i've known camera for many years um we don't need to do do diligence on this candidate. Uh, this candidate is absolutely qualified again, this is a woman who first of all just circumvented a primary, so has not even gotten a vote. Should not be there.

Okay, definitely not qualified to be there. Just in just in strictly democratic terms. Uh, but second, just terms of, uh, separate from her experience running whatever I mean, he was the V, P.

Maybe I could have some experience senator I frequent don't think any senators. I don't think that account is executive experience. AmErica disagrees on both sides.

The I don't care, but in terms of what she's going to do right again and I keep coming back to IT because it's flucker ortn't. SHE has no policies on her website, so this is a group that he said, if camera is not elected president, the industry could vanish. The industry could cease to exist. Let's just say that he had some pro.

I don't know, may be there were some reason maybe maybe trumpet is has on his on his website, i'll have to go google in the second maybe he says, you know, I have a delete silicon valley platform position um maybe maybe you could help me on IT IT would still be crazy, right? But what policy of hers are you drawing from other than the ongoing existence of lea on who is started every every turn to dismantle detect industry? Okay um other than the very left wing of the party.

So I just was looking at paris Marks now he's not you know a democrat. Um he's in the democratic party but he's not like a is not a democratic party or something but he's talking about this mantling silicon valley openly on on x okay, that's what you get from the far left uh and then on esty, you move on from their VS for commonly IT turned to to a there was one guy who did like a pitch deck. There was like a magaha in the bottom, in a in a coconut in the top right. And like I got to get the fuck out here.

And and and just as I was trying to act that they started this panel of people there is there was a woman who was I don't want to make fun here because that seemed unstable but he was crying over this um in sobbing in tears about about the the hope that he felt with cma that LED into the people talking about there was one woman who said if koala is not elected president there will be fewer female entrepreneurs in this country and again, it's like one I don't know why that this is a weird thing to be talking about, right? I don't I disagree with the premise there that um you know women should be forced into starting companies if they don't want to but more importantly to like what makes you say that about color where citation needed, show me what he has said. Show me which he said, show me the bad policy ever show me the bad d policy that is going to get you to that to that end point, what did he say? where? What are the resources that she's planning to put this into? I not even sitting here saying that was it's wrong to do IT.

I just want you to prove to me that he said she's gonna do IT so the whole thing was crazy. Um they raise, I think, eight, one hundred and eighty thousand dollars. I want to say I, I, I in my life as a billionaire dimock's, I have met a few billionaire and I know one in particular there is an investor who will pay more money than that to end an uncomfortable breakfast.

Okay, he will he will give that much money to someone to go away. And I I don't think that was a lot of money. And um we'll see what i'll see what happens moving forward. Um how powerful would be but I would love your takes um and this or or anything we been said about the group. And have you guys followed for some stuff at all?

I've been i've been following and I A I have a contrary take OK. I think they were they were absolutely to sign that letter for commoner. I think it's like it's super brave till like know that somebody that supports an unrealized capital gain tax under the by administration may be president. That seems like a really courageous thing to do is to be like, okay, you can be in office, right? Because I will just still part of big system.

But I mean.

I so he was part of the administration that made that a pillar of their a go forward economic strategy. Um he also had a big hand, I read in the um AI executive order, which imposes totally arbitrary limits on compute and essentially would establish a regulatory mode for all but the biggest uh A I companies in the space. Um in the flip side of that, I would IT IT would hurt startups and um which vcs are you know obviously at a big deal for them. Um I actually I was looking for so I was confused about her positions on business too and I thought because I was looking at some slide a that appeared online after the V, C. This is first come zone.

Did the court slide make the rounds?

It's on two there. There a few .

alive but and I was like.

okay well they must be referring to something because one of their one of the slides I saw was that like the three reasons you should for camera um one is that she's more stable than prompted the next is that she's Normal and that refers to the weird thing and the third is that he would be good for startups said, okay, well, there must be some logic to this and I asked rock and open H A. GPT and they could not give me an answer. I found one article in forbes that was making the case for why coming up was good for .

good for .

business and it's almost hilarious how how how much of a stretch they need to make on some of these items. Um this is a list. It's like six or seven things reasons why is he good for business? You you can find that that one of the reasons is that is because you consistently participated in small business saturdays by visiting one and encouraging consumers to shop small.

So basically like SHE won't shopping on the weekend and made A P, R. I made up up you know I sorry, A P R campaign IT. Um and the other ones that are listed is that he helped with the executive order about ai SHE played a critical role in passing the covet stimulus, which I don't think is a reason, right? So there's really like nothing out there about commonalities position except for potentially negative things, right? Like she's in the administration .

that wants to do .

the couple of gains tax and wants to dark ai and a won't regulate crypto, which is completely throttle to start up seen in that sector. So I mean, if you want to get if you really want to be serious about start a policy um you you have to be very brave to sign something supporting a candidate that you have to defend.

T is like assume that is not good for business compared to trump who has put out statements and has a policy platform on his website saying that he's going to celery AI in the name of national defense, he's going to embrace bitcoin and stuff like that. So yeah, that's sort of mister fine. What the vcs are thinking.

they have nothing to work with is the problem. And you're right, it's it's the negatives even that we're drawing from here, and i'm reluctant to do IT. I mean, I think it's true that he believes in all the negative things that he said to as as a left wing when he was run twenty twenty so when he was unable in twenty twenty just for the nomination before he was actively running for the presidency somehow um when he was run for the for the nomination for the dams SHE said all sorts of crazy shit and you can judge for those crazy things that he said and obviously heard administration that he was a part of I don't know how much you can really blame to her since the by administration capture like locked in a closet last four years and we just saw when the licence was going to be a new president um so I don't I don't know that you can really blame her for what what biden did but yeah, maybe that's something that you could grasp'd to.

There's nothing in the positive, not even fake things and that her fault I mean, people are dying to talk about her fake policies, uh but they can't because you won't t give them any. And so maybe that you know a great full circle. Maybe that is what accounts for this cheerful group. Maybe that's where it's coming from. It's because there's nothing else.

And you know what IT really reminds me of to do another bizarre reference um in this episode of them I think is do you remember when Chelsea handler did that like commercial for her life where SHE was talking about how happy he was, he was just talking about how happy he was to be single and childless and she's I guess and I don't think it's am not one of is like anti cat woman people. I think that if you are single and child list at whatever age and you're happy, I think that's a definitely a possible thing to be. I think that there are people out there who are happy without kids.

Um I think it's very strange when you have to create a commercial for yourself, telling the world how happy you are. When you're like, I am so happy that I am going to tell you how happy I am and every few seconds i'm really happy. I'm so happy i'm doing drugs.

This is her, not me talking about this and I don't have kids and i'm happy guys. I'm really happy or I don't I look so happy um that's what i'm getting from the internet right now with the memes and the cheerfulness and like i'm so paul gram, i'm so happy. Are you happy?

Are you happy with cover a running for president? Are you happy that you didn't get to decide? Are you happy that he has no process policies that you could possibly believe in?

Are you happy that she's the person that you're running against, the guy that you think is a dictator? Are you happy? I'm not convinced that you're happy.

Um I don't know. Are you guys convinced? Are you guys convinced .

they're happy? It's cope. But Chelsea handle thing is such a blast from the past. And I just want to say, like he got so much shit for that video. But I think SHE really did deserve IT because he was actually hurt. Framing of IT was like SHE was goin people who had kids on and being like, I don't have to wake up, bring my kids to school and that kind of thing um but yeah, I do you think I think it's cope basically from from the dnc left, uh which again is not the entire left. But they have they take anything. I mean they literally they any candidate the party decides for them they have to like pain, this kind of sick ho hanc affection for um and then pretend to care about democracy I mean it's kind of a pathetic positioned have to be yeah think the happiness mostly stems .

from the .

fact that their nominee is no longer brain dead like that will make you that don't make you pretty yeah I guess there .

is some reason because yeah you're right to give them some credit. They were not happy. They were not happy a few weeks ago so that the happiness is there. But IT IT does feel so played up that I do not like.

get Chelsea hello. I mean, the whole thing is really online and my hang up here is like, I don't know that they needed to go with an online forward, unsure of campaign strategy here because these people would have voted for commoner anyways. Um the bad stuff, everybody who thinks bad is awesome or whatever that mean is like they would have voted for commonly anyways.

I'm more interested in what their electoral strategy is going to be with the actual people that they need need to bring into their coalition. I think there's some of this with walls. Um I think it's camel thing in his car, heart thing. Um I think .

this represents .

an evolution of the democratic party where they are they noticed that the intersections ality, the B L, M, the anti White stuff, is just not working. And now they're basically allowing that White people who were turned off by intersection light, by the constant intersections ality stuff. They're letting them back into the party and they're making them a part of the conversation.

And so I think that is a good move in general. IT seems like a savy move to me, but the bad stuff and the coconut stuff and the fan fiction that's never gona get out of twitter, I think and I don't know how much that actually matters in terms of the outcome of the uh of the election in november. Well.

we'll see. I'm sure by next week at th Epace o f u h, information evolution, we will have a new vice president, uh a new new vice president of canada at this rate. Um I tell you, what does make me happy is this wikipedia piece that we just publish empire wars.

Now IT is my great uh pleasure honor to introduce asia ginsburg which was a great, great piece for us apart wires how the regime captured wikipedia. This is a piece that we've wanted to do for we want something like this, a pie wires for a while. This is a topic that comes up just again and again and again.

Um is the question of wikipedia, how it's edited? What is going on over there? Is there bias? Um ashly has done you butcha poking around over there and I think it's probably a few stories in uh when IT comes to the topic of a wikipedia kind of coming up but as he started this one, um he started pulling the threads and um and enter the story I think is really, really fascinating, really important.

Absolutely blew up online, you know, very singer, cofounder of kip dia retweet IT said he was a must read elon, you know, giving in to shout out. I do think that we have here sort of like the canonical story of what happened to wikipedia over the last five years. And I think it's just yet a great important story actually. Welcome to the show. Welcome to the pirates ire sort of extended universe um take us through IT take us take us through what you found yeah .

the I think the the thing about wikipedia, what we're seeing people people talking about bias and I think that's pretty established David resistance as a colleague mind did a study computational analysis wikipedia bias and so it's pretty circut you look at IT against politics um and ideological expression but you know always when IT comes to these big institutions and that's what we really need to understand.

Wikipedia and more importantly, wiki media foundation, which owns wikipedia as their massive institutions and hugely important in everything we do today, is not like any other N G O. So in that framework and in that context, try to understand all this talk about money. You know, we started to kind of bubble up conversations about people not wanting to donate to wikipedia because they have.

Hundreds of millions of dollars in assets and revenue and that kind of thing. You know, I think IT rings, IT raises an alarm and some level, and we saw that happen online. So trying to understand the story where this money came from is what really let us down the rabbit hole of wiki media foundations alliance with a very, very high profile, a progressive N G O social justice N G O called tides, tides center, which runs the tides foundation, in addition to other funds.

And they had sort of stitched them cells together around two two thousand seventeen, where we see this big shift that wikipedia definitely towards something that is more ideological. I think in their eyes, it's about equity and it's about justice. But you know, if we take that has something apart from wikipedia original founding mission and its current Operating principles so that kind of in the big picture of what the stories about um happy to discuss more the detail .

I think why do we start just what this comes up again and again and again? Is this concept of wikipedia a founding mission? How would you describe that to someone just picking? And I would say for the first time, wikipedia, something that we all use, we don't think much about.

We know it's sort of community edited. I don't think the average person knows much more beyond that. So what was that mission? What was the the stew in which the sort of internet cultural stew in which wikipedia emerged? And then from there, I think we can talk a little bit more about what happened.

Yeah, that's a great, great question because wikipedia has this really fabled storage origin of, you know, a mission of open contribution to and in cycle pedia that would one day contain all the world's knowledge or you know, and effectively an effective dose of IT. So the mission was about being open.

I was about no one having control over the the content, over the policies that that would all be determined by the community who are hearing to this kind of structure that was built into early wikipedia. And it's really quite amazing because it's it's by in large IT does function that way today. However, what we sent two thousand and sixteen seventeen with this pivot is that we can media foundation N O, that wants to say the one that basically holds all the assets and all of the money.

I started to, uh set a direction, strategic direction for wikipedia that is really divergent from the original mission. This is really about what they call uh, knowledge equity, and that's about intervening. So we keep p dias kind of always been this recepticle of knowledge.

They don't create new information on the site. They use other sources to corroborates statements are facts that get on to the site. And it's never something that they're actively doing except for editing wikipedia itself.

Can we talk about knowledge equity? As I was reading through your piece for the first time, was the phrase that jumped out to me. I'm always really interested to learn about new, destroy an phrases, break that one down for me. What is knowledges equity? And I may we just caught and talking about knowledge equity first, second, because I have some thoughts.

Well, I think for a wikipedia in that context, you know they had a big problem that they recognize really early on, which is that at some point he was up to ninety percent of the editors on english wikipedia, or mae and parly, similar across of the languages. And even today, that's like, at best, eighty percent, twenty percent are women and eighty percent are men.

and said they recognize they had a problem with that, or they said they had a problem internally. What to do? Okay, yeah, so they they .

started to address IT around two thousand and ten, maybe even earlier. But really this is about if you're saying this is all the world's knowledge in this psychotic dia, but is written mostly by men and we've learned a lot about from from the equity uh, discourse about the value of a perspective, the gates whose gaze is IT. In that case wikipedia would be the male gaze in this reading, right? So that's a big problem.

Gaze, the will gaze as IT relates to history.

Yeah, history and everything else. And you know, again.

before I think, I guess I I fail to are rigorous st. IT here I maybe are we are going to be debating the merits of this or is IT worthy? Are we on the same page? Or or is anyone able to steal in this? Because I really, for me, the concept of this is already prety offensive. The idea that um I don't know, women, men like you need some sort of like equal number of voices to do some sort of task.

I I think that that automatically invites some kind of sexism into the conversation, not just against men, which is the sort of obvious reading of the sexism, but against women, the idea that women are going to have some very specific gender based reading on something like, I don't know, the rain of li, whoever the fuck in france or something, you know, what is IT about having. X X chromosomes. And I know it's a complicated discussion as per last week and our talk on olympics, what is IT about that, that is going to influence the way that you write on a post I I sort of do if I want to give them a little bit of credit here, I kind I would understand maybe why they would be important to include women in a conversation on women's health or something like that at the policy level.

Yeah you should be speaking to women about this. Um I don't understand how this affects the global knowledge base or something. It's a really crazy concept to me and it's a crazy concept that was really Normalized really quickly that know we never really have a chance to talk about as a as a culture.

We never we never came to agreement on this concept that women are going to have a fundamentally different perspective on history than men. Even as i'm saying this, i'm realizing that I have internalized their language to a certain extent. I've internalized their arguments to a certain extent.

I reflexible vely feel like, oh my god, we do. I i'd Better to be careful with this topic or something, but it's cry. What they're saying is new and not crazy.

Let's say it's definitely new. And um I don't know what do something. What do you make of this?

Um I mean, I find IT condescending. I think it's it's you know not to use serve your place but I think it's interesting to me that makes sense that most of the the wikipedia editors would be mad because IT seems like a um a job. I mean it's unpaid but this kind of you know somewhat nerdy community of people who are very uh interested in maybe nyt picking the facts of different neh historical events and definitions that kind of think not to say that there's not tons of women who are interested in that, but I just kind of seems like an online millions that would skill male um and um yeah I mean I think I kind of top down attempt to correct that IT just feels like I don't know some weird form of like a formative action for women um which i've always found a little bit do you know condescending and unfortunately yeah and it's kind .

of what LED into this the scandal that the the piece kicks off with the scandal where a and administrator was bands for a so called harassment but there was no evidence or examples of the harassment provided he was just of the league urban dance and um the the other editor that he was accused of passing of course was a woman um who was in a romantic who was married to one of the most senior people at with media foundation uh woman numerous of dies and this is the chair we've had a lot.

by the way, there's been a trend on pie wires recently of sort of evil lesbian an couples I don't know if that's rude to point out, but I think it's interesting. I think lesbians I think evil lesbians are having a moment and i'm peer for IT, Frankly, as someone who loves a good story and loves like a different cast of William, we haven't seen evil lesbians in a while. Sorry, Carry on.

yeah. No, I think you know that i'm sure that they have good intentions. They have good intentions. But because there is as being there is there is clearly a moment there at wikipedia um where things bowl ed over with this ban because it's just because IT was handed down by the foundation and I didn't come from the community itself.

The community itself has mechanisms to do this kind of thing, an orbital committee that would Normally do IT in every other situation. But in this case, and this is lining up with the timing where they're kind of flipping over to the ties foundation, where things are becoming more top down. One of the very few islam cases when where the foundation itself hands down a band and um that set the community of light. And you know this is where we're seeing the divergence between the community and the soundness well .

yeah because the the foundation is centralized, the community is decentralized and if the centralized entity has control over the the the centralized in synthetic dia, then it's no longer to centralized that clearly IT has authority over what's being added in how you have a lot of great details in the piece about that.

There was one piece that I mean, as I was reading for the first time, I didn't quite know where you may take this and you in brand, in the love I think great back and forth on this. By the way, I want to get bring on this props as well. Um so I went into IT with fresh as I was.

That sort of IT was a different thing when we were started. I didn't realize when you actually built to the Katherine mayor. I I I think I I like knew that Catherine know we media I just forgot IT wasn't IT was in on my reader.

Now Kathy mayor, you'll probably remember folks from P R. So she's the new, what she's this M P R of A C E O. What is the structure over there? He is the C E O.

She's the C E O of of N P R um was a huge scandal when he was announced because of the tweet of hers were on earth there of course incredibly biased, incredibly. And when we say bias to it's not just, oh, she's voting for commoner hair okay, nobody cares about that. It's like we're talking about extremely left wing.

All drink all of the cola throughout twenty twenty is has gone down all of the page rearch. I sub redis ah and SHE is out there talking about things like for example, knowledge equity. I no idea that IT seems to me based on your reporting that he really started the entire evolution of wikipedia was her yeah that .

was very much under her leadership and I don't know that she's drinking the late so much as making IT and but um yeah he had you know he was the new york poster the story about her saying that wikipedia the open ethos for something SHE opposed because I was like a passage White male .

colonial's that was when IT was yes, yes, yes, yes. That there something inherently male about the concept of openness yes.

exactly. IT IT leads to like domination by men, which is what exactly what we just talking about. Wikipedia, eighty percent in the explanation could easily be that like men just like doing IT more than women.

And women just don't like doing IT as much. It's just it's a different thing. It's a specific thing in the world. It's okay. But they might they take IT as a as something that is product of and of injustice.

You know this this stuff this is really a long IT was a long the most violent form of the kind of gendered everything discussion that we've been having really has been ongoing for since twenty seventeen, which I think is uh the beginning really of all all of this stuff um stuff that was growing long before that but twenty seventeen is when they all came to a head I think it's when you had these battles in boardrooms across the country is where the violent new train of leftism, one I would say almost everywhere I don't really know anywhere um that .

I didn't succeed.

I mean, obviously they were nash like little there might be some V C firms or some shops or whatever that weren't extremely work. But all the huge companies, all of the are everything in academia, like everything bureaucratic. Every institution of the hyper, hyper, hyper, hyper dia, not just left wing, but left, win this specific way when we've adapted a really radical frame for looking at the entire world.

This is a radical oppression lens, is when suddenly we need no equity, not equality. So the ham ring down of everybody um to get to the same sort of place. But what IT reminds me a little bit of because I was just about to say, why do they never care about something like like like for example, you know, I played a lot of magic the gathering, and there aren't many women who do, right?

When you go to dry after something, it's it's guys who are playing that chick. I don't only even know that I played with a woman. I'm sure there I know there are women who play, you know you see the the conference things.

I I think I personally when I got a comic store to do a draft, I don't think i've played with a woman before. Um it's all just like very, very nerdy men um in different kinds of nerds. You've got like you ve got like your gainers.

You ve got like your gym like um you have your classically presenting revenge of the nerds nerds they're all there, but they are they are male. They're different kinds of dirty guys are. And then I remember gor gate and I remember this video game, the sort of video game reckoning in general.

Gaming was super, super male dominated as well. And you would say, you think, like, who gives a fuck if mostly guys are playing these first person shooters or whatever IT is? Like, who cares? People actually cared.

There are a bunch of people who were like we need to change this. We need more women playing video games. So I can even say necessarily because my impulses to say we only really care when it's high status thing um but it's not necessarily there. There are these weirdly low status s things that people care about um for example, video games. I think they still have come from magic, but I guess it's only matter of time.

They they definitely came from D N D.

Yeah, there was some of that. But what was the D N N D controversy again? Wasn't that more about who was creating IT than who was playing?

No, IT was like different races had slaves of other races. And that wasn't okay. And just, I don't know, different races were coded as black according to feminist or something. And they had to array that if the nerds, the nerds, are trapped in the wrong house. Man, at this point I was.

over the first time I was in a bar. I was in a gay bar in Williamsburg in two thousand and ten. This is before. So if twenty seventeen is the highmark for all this fucking in craziness, twenty, I would say I don't think really encounter online.

I encountered early be a thought at aloe e, where brand and was working in the comments section is when I first started hearing really crazy sheet, like for example, to phrase systemic White supremacy, which now we all know what that means. At the time in twenty eleven, when I first read that, I was like, what the hell are they talking about systemic White supremacy? White supremacy is the, K, K, K.

That's not america. That's a really, really that's a crazy person's view of what's going on in amErica um but I was a twenty eleven so I was at twenty ten before I even encounter with that. I was in this bar and someone said, lord.

Rings was racist, and I was with my most lewin friend that I had, overwhelmingly, it's of a crazy left wing person. But he also has a nerd. And SHE loves more of the rings.

And that was her. He said, no, not today. No, no, no, no, no, that's just that some crazy shit.

We're not accepting that and they got into IT there and we talked about that later and we both like confirmed to each other. It's not racist, right? Like how is lord the ring's racist? That's so strange. It's I don't see IT um and now if someone says what of the rings is racist you might disagree but you you can't say that you don't know where they're coming from. You know you know exactly what their what their referencing the sort of strange new philosophy political philosopher that they're tapping into.

And um it's just funny how quickly culture is changed not only changed but really seemed into these institutions like you said um the Catherine mary piece of IT all is is just really wild so sh'd launched the decision active IT sort of moves forward through the institution IT takes out one of these editors IT affects, I think, the coverage, the wikipedia, what what is going on there to a certain extent. One standing question I have for you ask before I let you go is just what what is the what is the relationship at this point between wikimedia, the non profit tie that is you are sort of reporting on and wikipedia ah how much how much control do you think they have? How much control do you think they exert? And what is this sort of danger for the platform moving forward?

I think the the danger can answering backwards reverse is that wikipedia becomes you know the most outside farthest um danger would be that IT becomes a tool for this top down mass mass level sensor ship we've been seeing arising over the last five years through code that wikipedia used as a tool to sort of control narratives and and silence people that that um straight from the official narrative that would be the worst danger that that this is heading towards that because so much of the language coming out of the the movement strategy, the twenty thirty strategy is about no objective but it's also about um the global information war that were in mean they know IT so and that's how they see IT they see as a war information and they can be a positive force but that positive force might mean that they get on what they believe is the right side, which we've just been talking about that for the last half an our so I think that's that's the danger.

What is the relationship right now? I think this probably rumbling within the community. You know I I would need to dive into that further. But the whole frame thing, the ban on the male editor, it's still kind of, it's still kind of a rotting wood there IT IT didn't just go away like the he was also weird, that was also strange and firm was still, and this, he is today one of the best editors on the site. So you know, I think it's going to be more, more fraught.

But with that kind of money that they are pulling in, know we're talking about that the endowment that was set up within the tights foundation, it's at around hundred and twenty million years now though brand I ve also seen one forty um N P R actually reported one forty by january this year. So that's a huge number of money separate from the foundation. We community foundations own holdings at something like two hundred and fifty million dollars.

So at some point when you're dealing with a billion dollar at near projecting out a few years, we're going to we're going to get to a billion dollars in assets. And that amount of money and that amount of power will crush a community. We know that. So that's my fear and that's where I think this i'll gets very difficult.

Do you have a sense of how I mean what is the clear and present danger? I guess what is the um what is going on right now? I mean, the grand thing was pretty bad.

I think that they're charging up sort of or they are tapping a people to sort of gather information top down was pretty bad. How much of that is going on today? Or or do IT is is still sort of in question?

I think it's an open question. I mean, for sure, what we know they're doing is that they're funding money into other ngos, smaller N G. S.

So they are kind of becoming a pass through or a grant maker and funding a lot of these very um some of them radical, some of them extreme laugh, some of them you know progressive ngos that are out. They're doing actual activism on the grounds and and some of those are feeding into other smaller and geos crazy like this whole food chain. But they're passing through A A lot a lot of money into activism.

And you know my guess, and this is what I think remains be investigated, is that there is still some kind of pressure mechanism. Um there is the way funds are used on the side. There is decision making about policy that has to be done. So is always going to be some influence. But I think the question is just how much IT .

is right now also of, well, great job on the piece. Uh, I encourage everyone to check IT out on pirate wars is up there right now. And thank you for joining us.

Thank you guys.

All right, let's see if I can set this one up for you guys. So there are a lot of we don't like to cover we try not to cover europe too much, but it's the summer and there's a lot going on in europe for americans right now. Um and I have kind of this it's i'm giving it's like Emily in paris kind of energy like this this american girl abroad just like living in her ideal c universe that is a fake dissing real version of what Frances um and I realized today as I was reading the headlines about the Taylor swift t concert that was cancelled because of islamic terrorism um that like perhaps there's a disconnect between the american expectations of europe and the reality uh one other version of this now i'm not here to trash brands. You know that pirates res has a weird thing for paris and france um IT is now can in is just unfortunate where maybe going to be a little bit contrary about this where big friends defenders here released I am and I know someone is a brand and rally not you regarding on friends, i'm rooting for them personally but the fact that their politicians forced the olympics to make swimmers at the peak of their health swim through is IT the the river and right, my pro, right schnyder swim through the son and one of them got a coli is fucking bananas .

so it's not there. Ecole but he was hospitalized. There's a several swimmer, several triathlete wimmen, who are forced him in the sand to know historically been a cesspit like an actual session IT of just sewage um have been hospitalized with bacterial infections.

Do you want to break that? So I want to let's just talk about the we we it's like it's IT, it's a submarine europe, possibly a thing for you depending on um I don't know whatever your circumstances are, certainly it's in the culture.

I want to start with with the olympics and then I want to move into islamic terrorism。 So um beginning with the olympics saga a do you want to just like, I mean, how much do you know about the river? IT seems weird like IT seems like there's some weird other thing going on there that is nothing to the olympics. What is? What is that?

Well, I mean this has been ongoing kind of controversy with the paris olympics. The paris olympics, for those who have been following, has been a kind of logistical show show from the like offensive, bizarre opening ceremony to now um but you know one of the kind of um hallmark programs for for paris politicians who are hosting the olympics was that they were going to clean the same because they really wanted trifle on athletes to swim in the river and bizarre london host and twenty twelve no one swim in the tams, which is just like polluted as well. They swim in A A little river like in a random suburb, london. But for some reason paris was fixated on swimming ing in the tens at in the sun and so they poured a remarkable amount of money and this like hundreds of millions of years as at the least in this cleaning campaign where they said they were going to disinfect the same and um as part of this at the end the mayor paris um swam in the sand and sort of you know how to pick photo op or SHE said no it's clean and SHE talked about, you know how lovely IT was this was then followed by like angry prisons threatening to deficit in the sand.

Well, why do they want? Why do they want to? Why were they mad about this?

They were mad. I think he was part of like a larger olympic protest because basically they shut down just tons of streets in paris in people's movement was restricted. And I think my sense from talking to prison is that most of I didn't really want the olympics to be in the city.

And they don't care about IT. And a IT actually hasn't been as much of a boon for like some of their industry as you, you would have thought. So they were protesting olympics and they are OK.

We're going to hit in the sand like this is going to undo, you know the hundreds of millions of euro uh, investment that are politicians important to to cleaning IT. I don't think they ended up doing IT. But now now all of these athletes.

yes, IT sounds like someone did unlike someone. Yeah yeah.

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I like i'm interested in like water, municipal sAnitation. Now in a way, like I remember leaving at seattle a long time ago, they literally drained a reservoir because some dumb fourteen year old like piston IT, this is like a huge reservoir. And I was like, what is like a premier like bird fly over and shouted, you know, like, what is the what's the level of shit that needs to be in a body of water before it's to get you?

Probably a lot, a lot friends is a lot of angry people.

So millions of french mendous.

that's like a super french thing just like the response to the opening ceremony, which was basically like, that is what IT is and people are mad. They're like, oh, well, it's like, well, if you're trying to reveal your cultural heritage to the world, i've admitted a great job of IT cut you off. Now you saying .

that is that it's a actually very complicated technical question because they have this specific like how much. No, he call out here a lot dv for the water to be safe to swim. Um but I mean, it's just they ran out of protein in the dining hall at one point because they're trying to do this like ecofriendly dining um sort of plant focus dining for these olympians who obviously have huge you know protein carbons you that's .

like a giving your cat a vegetarian diet. That's the lever of discourse that are on where it's just like this, like self evidently retarded thing to to even suggest and I cannot believe that the other thing was no air conditioning, I believe was was another controversy .

yeah or can I think IT broke or something like that?

I thought IT was just anti and they were like, you know, we don't do that europe, that's an american thing I just make I really that that's me projecting my own prejudices.

There were things like, I mean, they made um they made track athletes like walk an hour to get to their race at one point because they had they like change the policy hallway. I mean, this is like olympic law for people who care but SHE Carry Richardson, an american track star, had to walk SHE like mr.

R warm up and ended up not doing as well in her races as SHE probably could have because um they like switched up volga sticks on her last minute. They've been tons of instances like this in the past few days. Um so not the best look for the olympic organizers.

Well, no matter how bad IT was for them, IT was a little bit Better than viana where a massive Taylor swift concert cancelled because at the near times, the nearly you really got with the net times, it's always a journey between the headline and then the facts revealed six paragraphs down. okay.

And the new york times, the headline is I think some of the world lines of like teenagers implicated in in bombing or something, just two teens, uh, when you actually be exact one for you, two teenagers planned attacks on Taylor swiss piano concerts, authorities say, near times many paragraphs. The main suspect is a thousand nine year old man, nineteen year old man, who was radicalized online and swore an auto allegiance to the islamic state. Uh, france roof.

okay. So when I hear two teenagers planned in attack, okay, two teenagers plane attack. I'm imagining, like, I don't know, like like dumb teens being wild and crazy. Maybe some eggs, like a flower sack of flower, falls down from from the rafters. And teller swift gets messy not to know we're talking about a nineteen year old. I is fighter well we're talking about we're talking about is where i'm islamic militants is what we're talking about um and that's europe um now the question the open question I believe is what is career and I is militant at a Taylor swift concert or ten thousand serious tellers, wift fans and asked the question for you guys today, what do you think which which way does this one go?

I mean, just in my personal life, i'm i'm more scared of the Taylor swift army like they are aggressive online. And I don't really see like ISIS people talking online. I guess they probably all get like sensor, I would assume. But the Taylor swift army is vicious and .

will probably aren't a lot of them also yet in america. That's the thing that I would like to also keep that way. I don't know how we do that but would like good european .

teens love to join. I is like they this is a in phenomenon. I mean it's it's not false. There's a start somewhere that like more um this is like not PC at all, but more british muslims joined um ISIS and one of the other kind of terrorism groups then the british army um you've got like score is a french, belgium, british whatever teens who who rushed off to syria. But I just.

hate.

Didn't you have that? You have those are the girls member, the the girls who went over there and then they were like, oh, shit, we were just forced married to a bunch of terrorist boos. And what's like? You fuck around and found out you're not come at home, but I think they have got home.

I did they get home? I don't know that. Well, there's one very high profile case of this girl mean in a big game who she's SHE is of bengali. She's like bengalee muslims who grew up in in a london and SHE famously joined I is famously gave an interview in like a full Nicole in syria of being like, yeah, i'm glad I joined I is and then SHE like three years later, after I is sort of got power. SHE was located in the refugee camp in syria and was like, I wanted come back to britain and there has been this kind of ongoing battle in the courts. But they just denied her last appeal.

So she's oh, they denied her, so she's stuck over there. She's SHE 在。

They removed to british citizenship. Yeah, well.

I mean, I guess when you swear religions against your country and join a terrorist organza, there probably should be some kind of consequence. But i'm not british, so i'm going to leave that one up to. I will say that this is like a way less glamorous version of american radical.

In the sixties and seventies we were getting brainwashed. They would say brainwashed Patty host, famously into these, like the crazy domestic terrorist marxist organization, which i'm not into, domestic terrorism one, i'm not into martis m two amounted to happy number three. However, somehow the combination of them, especially on movies, is like it's sort of like a bony and cloud thing for me, where I like you definitely need to be put jail er or something.

But it's like smoking also like there's like a sexy to IT. And I will say that the full is at the new ob wearing yeah it's not a sexy it's not giving hollywood glam for me and i'm very aesthetic, aesthetically motivated. So i'm against the islamic terrorist um europeans. But brain, I know that you disagree on this.

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you that yeah then europe well, vacations over kids um it's time to come back to amErica and let's make sure that we never have the crazy as I don't know what they're dealing with over there with the I mean, we're always going to have an idea and he wants to swimming in a polluted river and I think there's no getting around that in america.

But I do think that we can live in a world where joining um terrorist organizations um like islamic sort of fascist organizations is not sexy and cool and I think we just got to do we got to mean we got to mean away there. We ve got to give the kids something else to be excited about. Um we will save that another day. Folks been real. See on the internet. goodbye.