Trump Coin Chaos, Fake Right Wing Vibe Shift In Tech?, Ukraine Update, & Insane Climate Activists
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This in Donald trump coin bearing trump is involved in this marn squally certainly involved. One thing I know for for sure is like I never want to be a part of cypher on is again, it's completely .

schizophrenia ah I did get a ton of dms from random anonymous script accounts asking me about the news.

silicon valley, right wing shift.

What I found, what I looked at these mysteries, is that very, very few people have actually changed their donation patterns.

These two class number over the stock hedge and doubt IT in some chemical and cheer about how osm mate is. I personally want to burnt as much oil as.

What's up, guys? Welcome back to the pod. Branding is not with us today.

He's on an italian vacation sending little comments once in a while and nine hours. Difference between their L A. So is a little bit drage and jet lag. But we do. We should.

Well, sad is not here to talk about all the crazy, should we want to tell about IT today? But the person that we do have is the one of the only the legendary john cogan back on the pod. John is actually here.

Well, he's going to be here with this all day but specifically to talk about peace that he just published empire wires, which will get to um very quickly. The first the very first thing that we absolutely have to discuss, this is fucking Donald trump coin. Um okay, this is a difficult this is just i'm going to behind this is a difficult subject to talk about for me because I am a part of the story. Para wires is a part of the story. Don't want that to be the case genuine um I want to be writing the stories.

Let's see what can we share here? The the tension is I don't want to blow ah I am not yet ready to sort discuss everyone who I talked about leading up to this news, but the news is basically this ah the news that we reported was dollar trump is launching sort of inefficient coin um and IT is being spearheaded by bearing trump um since that news was released there has been just like a massive like shit show I would say IT just like a complete like swirling hurricane like that ee of jupiter, this sort like red eye on jupiter, it's like it's a three hundred year old storm or something like that that is like that is like general trumps face is kind of what is descended on us. And there's a question of is this legitimate? Is IT not we have the polar market betting markets um uh like running all the sort of polls on this um easy to san Martin girly heavily involved and so I mean, sorry, Martin, obviously that raises red flags for people and there's a general question of like is this all a bunch of lies?

Here's what I can say. Martin square ly certainly involved. And Martin, scarily certainly a, you connected me to the source that made me go.

Wo this is definitely news worthy, I know, is as sure as I can possibly behave that bear trump is involved. This I don't know. Uh, the extent to which there is perhaps worrying like family stuff behind the scenes. I don't know if Martin is the reason that barren is involved. I don't know what bear knew getting into IT.

I can only tell you from my point of view that the sun of the president, the former president Donald trump was involved in the creation, certainly certainly the distribution and like the promoting of this coin and and I was playing that news IT was framed to me as the um of as Donald trump s like a official mean coin wherever the fuck that means um not of that is really important to me like I I don't bet on these kinds of things. I think the whole scene is kind of like, I don't know you guys do you? It's not for me personally.

I do think it's relevant that the president of the united states is this far into crypto, and that is a very big story. I think IT is like solidifying his involved in the space. IT is solidifying, in my opinion, is like protection of the space.

The idea that he would be incentivize to protect IT is really important. And yeah well, i'm not yet ready to discuss like to share like details on who I spoke with um off the record was never really used but IT just seems unseemly and not yet necessary. People keep saying, tell me who your sources are unlike I am not they have have been a journalist for a long time, but i'm pretty sure you're not supposed to do that if the story changes. In a way, if if there's some sort of firm denial from camp trump, you know this never happen. This was this is the complete fabrication, whatever.

Um i'll be willing the same more ah but until then just I don't know what truck knows I do know the bar was involved and I do know that he was framed to us as ah and not just by Martin squally though again I might do we ve got to say that he was involved right um like yeah I mean that I was me to trust me i'm not going to be like, hey let's fucking get involved in bizarre meme coin like crazy person schizo news because Martin shrill ley told me to do something like not in a million years was he involved? Yes was that a red flag? Yes sorry marm. Um but uh I I definitely know enough that i'm confident and what we reported and of the story changes that will also be news and um I will definitely be there to share more but there have been a butch of development since. I mean, cooking, what does your read of of the crazy spent?

I mean, it's interesting because trump has a couple like everyone's everyone's using on on act the referring to the coin us dollar D J, T. But in traditional twitter part lanes, the dollar signs used for a stock tick ker. And i'm pretty sure dollar D J T is truth social, which is also become kind of a meme stock and doesn't really trade relative to the financials of that company.

So this already a way to kind of like bet on trump in the financial markets broadly. And then trump is also done stuff in crypto. I'm pretty sure he launched an N, F.

T. collection. And if you bought the N F, T, you've got to go maybe shake his hand maroo go or something.

And so, so, so, like, I don't know. This is like, ridiculous, but also entirely predictable. H, the thing that got me was like, barren, you know, this is just like you want to feel old. The president son, who was a child when you first were introduced to him, is now an active player in national politics and I remember the George bush era hearing like the bush twins and then like ten years go by and you see an interview with them and they're like have kids and have families and you're just like, oh my god, what's happening to me um just the the evolution of the fact that you know over the next four years, like barren is going to be A A piece on the chess board. Yes, that's something that i'm like not fully you digest how .

many fast his bearing from married is fairly plug into the the world of I guess yeah culture too right like he is a lot of strAngely culturally important friends um he has friends in the tech industry are at least let's say friendly acquaints people who knows and he's talking to and like you said, he seems to be an active players which I saw a lot of put like there's been a bit of this is just a kid we should leave millia while and find um but I mean he I don't think that he wanted that up until a second .

ago so high school right .

I don't I don't know. I was eighteen um and I know that uh his making headlines not like it's not as if he's an innocent bystander in I feel like he's just going to show up one day on .

like a three hour t guess it'll just be like rogan and or talker i've and .

it's a friendly environment bear not I just a lot of things that I want to know the first one is probably just he's IT true what they say about what your dad t puts down from mcDonald like I don't just pictures is IT is IT like real as IT does he really eat that much? I've never fully believed that IT was possible and frames do not be dead yet like with those arteries is just it's impressive and I want to know more about IT yeah I know it's been crazy.

There's there's been a handful of I mean, the crypt to one thing I know for sure is like I never want to be a part of cypher donas again for as long as I I just it's completely the schizophrenic first, while no one is almost everyone is anonymous, is like an anonymous bird telling you that you're going to prison is my read of what cyp to twitter is. And it's like there are now doing just before as we were coming into this chat, right? Martin rally is online leaking what he alleges are text between him and the former president's, a son he is, uh i've seen leaked tax between him and uh what is face um the men's like not men's right guy, but the Andrew tate is involved.

I saw doing multiple five, six, seven, ten thousand people in these chats, doing twitter chats or or x chats one being LED by Shelly sharing the tea I guess one being made by ryan sulcus who um is I don't even just like I know the truth it's X, Y and z and um they just I think it's I don't I don't fully know what to read of IT, which is maybe one of the big reasons that I regret reporting, I all the regret reporting anything. But what are the reasons I would like to sort of stay away from the future is like there's a whole culture here that I really am not a part of and um and don't really want to be a part of. No offence um to anything guys, I love you. I am happy that you're happy, but it's just too chaotic for me and um um yeah he is funny. I guess it'll be less funny if like um we are a handful ways that could be less funny that i'm not really I who needs to .

speculate who needs my bet on this and I I don't really know that much but my bet is like kind of like prank by barren. The family denies that the the core trump organization doesn't actually have that much to gain from this mean coin like it's just a kind of F C complexity. Know how how do they is this a donation to this campaign? Does that get classified in a certain way like it's just a ton of legal baggage that I feel like someone in the organization would have put the brakes on IT.

put the brakes on IT. I think they broken, then they put the brakes on IT. They didn't know about IT didn't know my I think there this part is not me knowing anything that nobody else this is not I have no special information from here on my read of what's going on is trump was considering a mean kind of some kind.

I he had a handful of people in his orbit who wanted to be like the guy that did this and barren is a little I think that barren made a move and um try to preempt all of that and um and and become the guy. It's like super um it's session IT was more like succession. It's kind of funny and.

Um I think like to become less funny, guess but that's what I think happened. I think the news broke. I think barry and he's possibly is like friends I think I think trump activated IT was like, you fuck what is going on over here and just maybe shut IT down and if or at least at least is like we're not talking about this for a moment, you know maybe I maybe IT persists. Maybe they come out later and say, yeah that that that was the coin um maybe they come out with something else but as of the news breaking, I think lawyers became involved and .

also is hilarious how the narrative around cyp to is a technology has completely shifted like IT used to be like, well, we're launching the coin because the coin will get you access to something and cause special code that runs on the block chain like we needed to run and its special and we had a software developer involved and now it's little like, copy, paste, click like, yes.

there's a picture doll rums face. Do you want one of these chick organs? Yeah but that I can go like even if IT was real.

like the N F T would be more valuable because at least it's like art or something, or at least IT gets you value.

This is the interesting conversation about this stuff, I think is like IT. IT forces the question of what is even the value in hearing of the dollar. I was talking about this about someone today a little bit one to you ah something like a associate this and of a jacket way um and he was like, oh like the printing of the dollar and there's all this stuff that goes in.

It's like nothing. No, the dollar is worth what it's it's toy's phia currency. It's only worth what it's worth worth because people think that amErica means something that's the entire value of IT.

That's how all of this stuff works. But IT doesn't does not mean it's fake. It's like super unstable, but he doesn't.

It's big. Um I would say something like bitcoin is find a number of them. I would say it's more valuable than a dollar.

It's little less. It's well broader. A philosophical question, I guess, and no reason you .

been on truth social recently no.

what's over there?

It's hilarious. So when you sign up the the two the top two accounts that you recommended to follow trump but then joe biden and one of biden staffers is has just been shi p posting on truth social and they just make these edits of, like Donald trump did something terrible, you know, like the same stuff that you see trump s post, but every post just gets horribly racing wed because it's .

like trumps network going to his house and but .

whoever ever runs that account, the biding account on true social, I kind of i'm here for IT because it's so funny that has laser eyes. It's like really over the top and he's just whoever is running, he is just beating these people and they just get so mad every single time they post yeah .

you do have to will be like going to a trump rally and being the up back and be like, so trump but I sucks and my right what like they ve fully .

went in the lions then with this this can cause they would be so easy for them just yeah I going to be went in there and just posed wild stuff but other than that is just a bit of like ads for nonsense like you know I mean did you I don't .

want to put on the spot here so bizarre culture and its a really a different world um it's not something that we to pick recover. But did you happen to fall any of this or have any read of of what was going on?

Well, I mean, i'm in in the U. K, so I just woke up to the news sort of on on an eight hour delay. But I do think the the crypto me seen to me tracks very strongly with like a specific branch of trump supporters, which is kind of this like shit posting peppe sort of a jacon like fortune type of person egorka of stuff that seems kind of IT makes sense to me that someone like barren from what little I understand of him or is like the personal of the people on the internet associate with him um would potentially be associated with this coin um but yeah I mean I I think IT IT would have surprised me of the campaign had come out and and really assumed IT because IT does seem like IT brings a lot of S C C risk a for them but then again, you know it's it's trump and you never really know what what he's going to do um but yeah, I did get a ton of dms from random anonymous script accounts asking me about .

the news my sister had my sister talk to me she's like, she's not online, right? She's like, hey so like so enso's brother texted me frantically wondering the trouble point is real and i'm like, you can deal so one says, brother, whatever IT was, all I know is what I reported that that is the extent that is the extent to IT or really what was told to me obviously um I had I did see a bunch of people online saying like this, you know, and also privately like this is so bad for the reputation.

Like like these things are supposed to be. This is what gypt s about this, you know, cypher s is other thing that it's going to be. Are we really pretending that these any of these things have utility beyond just the value of of like, oh, I think this babby's worth x amount of dollars as or whatever we were.

Think there's utility like, like these are to be used in, like for some technological application that we haven't yet seen. I don't I find that hard to spend many years, right? I mean, the big one paper was two thousand and nine.

Whether we going to see these of these other applications, I just I am really waiting for that. I would like to see IT. I think that also, though, the gambling stuff is like go gamble. I don't I don't maybe I think you should be like .

how people are gambling on this. It's fascinating. How do so so, uh uh like like somebody proposed this trade, uh, that was basically like you you go on Polly market and you bet that the trump coin is fake and then you take the same amount of money that you would win if IT is fake and you put IT in the trump coin and so if it's real, the coin will moon probably because they give me national news to be huge and you'll make the upside. But if it's fake, you didn't .

lose any money. And very .

interesting like using like these betting markets to offset the risk of like essentially it's just doubling down on gambling, but you basically like netted .

out the possible really what I were up against here, it's like we ve heard of the horse track and there is, you know like this marly old guy has got seventeen tickets and uh and you sort of bugging with a question, didn't want me bothered. He's in the zone.

He's doing something and and all of these people are looking for information and and that's the the like, the anger, the intensity, the sort trying to provoke you into giving them more information. They're all try IT. They're trying to gamble.

I am not a big gambling guy. I don't recommend buying into this stuff. Uh, I don't have any I don't even know how to do IT.

I've I got IT to like bitcoin a long time ago and left I means I still like coming but like I might in this stuff so anyway, that's my last IT don't recommend gaming at all. Um go to church. Similar victims .

here just don't look sympathetic I watched a couple like youtube videos s that like ah you know this N F T project was a total scam and and you're like yet really was is very clear that the people behind this were bad. They probably need to you know being a court and then they'll be like, now we're going to cut to the victims and it'll be like some guy in a gold chain with a lambo behind him and it's like this is not like the mainstream grandmother that was like victimized by the housing crisis is like this is a completely different. This is a gambler who probably as a problem needs help, but like not the most sympathetic victim when it's some like insane bro who's like kind of knew what they were getting in to when they started gambling on like the most ridiculous nfs you ever heard of but yeah so it's an awkward, awkward, awkward industry.

Well, that's that more to come will break IT down as the story progresses. The hopefully too much like I said again, really, that I trying to live inside of crypto news. IT is IT makes me feels sketchy.

Ic, even do. To look at IT when I you want to talk about is, is crazy, not crazy. I everything crazy. This is more fascinating craze I am able list. But in terms of this particular story, like is IT crazy here, is that not um and just about I enable listen, so far as I think it's bad to be crazy, I don't think anything anyway, that's a different conversation with a day. Leaders for the daily takes.

You should be subscribed, by the way, of the pie wires daily if you're not already go to pie wrist, our com and subscribed for, uh we have a take three takes today. Science is always there are saying brilliant things um I want to talk about silicon valley right wing shift. John cogan wrote a great piece analysis this week that be published on power wires.

Explore the question because for months and months now, we have been told that this this all vibe shift relative, and that is kind of evolved into a political donations narrative. And it's like, wo there are all of these guys in sick valley putting millions of dollars into the into the into trap and that that sort of it's interesting in two ways that story uh, one is another just five ship narrative, which seems sort of reflexively anti left test. I would say it's like the right wing is winning, the left is crazy.

Even the silicon valley lives are on trump side and and that that's popular for certain people online for obvious reasons to tell a story like that and attends to be more righting. People tend to like telling that story um but the other story is like the silicon valley tech billionaire who the left reflexively hates are now truck people and that's a very popular story on the left and so the stories really blowing up and I kind of didn't feel certain way about IT other than curious, you know is that how much if it's true I actually no, I certainly feel the vibe shift myself. I've definitely felt the cultural change but dollar dollar how how has the world of silicon valley changed? Didn't know. Look IT look into IT john wash, you break down for us.

What did you find? Yeah I actually ran the analysis three years ago um in response to a similar piece by the new york kr uh where IT was in that piece the docks sleep star codex Scott Alexander and the narrative of this piece of of that original uh new york new yorker peace was that oh, slr code ax is this right wing blog that everyone in tech is influenced by and IT was kind of circling around the same idea that that tech power brokers were right wing or shifting right wing.

And this is an opposition to all the reporting that you see around the donations that are made by employees of big tax. So when you look at how the political donations swing at a company like google, IT might be eighty, ninety percent democrat. But that but that's kind of a broader slice of the tech ecosystem then like the real power brokers.

So my methodology was I took the my test list and I cross referenced IT with all the political donations that show up in the fc database. And you know, that's not like a perfect representation. I, I, I did a few other analysis where I zoomed out and looked at firm level donations.

But the findings were pretty clear, like the vast majority of donations are driven by power law donors, people like read hot men on the left and Peter tel on the right um together those guys have donated over one hundred million dollars in their career and the midst list as a group has only donated like one hundred and sixty million in their career. The current midst list um and more recently as Peter stepped back from uh from politics, uh overall, venture capital has definitely shifted more to the left. Now it's nowhere near google levels.

It's not eighty ninety percent. It's more like sixty forty democrat republican. But I think it's interesting because you would assume that venture capitalists are in the business of business.

The republicans for decades have been the party of business and so you would just buy default tabula za, assume that bc would be a republican, the party of business. But that's now what we see um coming at IT from the different direction. You can assume oh, silicon valley's left wing, we assume one hundred percent of vcs to be left in, but that's not the case either.

And so I think that what what I found, what I looked at these middest st donations is that really what's happening is that very, very few people have actually changed their donation patterns. Very few vcs have really crossed party lines. Most of them have been solidly blue or solidly red for their entire careers.

And now they're just OK talking about IT publicly because of the cultural vibe shift that happened due to elan mass buying twitter and just kind of a general backlash to all the craziness of the greatest culture war. But so now you have someone like doug leoni, it's to qua publicly endorsing ing dog trump. But that's not him switching from left to right. He was donating to republicans back in the nineties to try as much money he even don't.

I'm pretty sure he donated to trust. He then said he would never vote for trump. I believe IT was after the sixteen um but but are another six of them sorry, I believe was after january six but that he comes back and and he does so and you write IT IT seems like more of a cultural thing on the Peter thing as well.

Um you know he's not uh putting any money into politics that looks like over the last couple of years. But even when he was that you know the bulk of that money, what was that that wasn't just general republican spending that was to the campaign people who who knows that has worked with for you know years and years and years and years. It's sort of different then then you think now half man on other hand, who has accelerated in recent years is more of a general spender also for the life. But the big take away and I think the important take away is republican ending actually down, democrat betting actually up um and still overwhelmingly uh the majority no yeah .

yeah yeah one hundred percent. And there is maybe one or two people who have really crossed the altria ths poy opt I is the big one because he's on the all in import gas with David's ax. He cold sted this fund raiser his if he made, if he made a donation, I think that just to attend that you had to make a donation.

I don't know if that how IT works to be cohoes, but if he's made a donation to the trump campaign, IT hasn't posted yet and also he wasn't included in this year's midst list. So he didn't make IT into that analysis, but it's worth looking at him because he does seem like the one major example. But the new york times post, uh, included like five or six people and none of them had shifted no, Peter, always on the right, you know, read often always on the left like there aren't these vast swales of people who are shifting back.

And for, yeah, I think that what you have from the media there is this correct sense that something has changed. They wanted write about IT, but what's what's changed is that when they attack people for being for voting red rather than blue, IT doesn't hit the way that I used to. Like, you can't run somebody out of silicon value anymore because they are not even just a republican, but a trump supporter like you can be supporting trump publicly.

And IT doesn't matter, doesn't affect you. IT doesn't IT affect your job. IT seems like at all at that level.

I think that that probably changes a lot when you look at. And this is something we don't have about what that I am still interested in. You know the data from looking at a everyone who's not at the sort of highest delete level.

So not the midst list. Venture capitalists, not the billion, are founders, but you know the VP marketing or whatever of these companies, the product, the engineers, was the average employee of one of these companies in silver icon valley. Where where's their money going? How is that change? Shift at all in my gut feeling is IT probably hasn't changed at all.

I think it's I think it's close to the same in the same way that this is close the same. I think that's probably close to the same. Um and and I guess you know that's a story for another day, but I would assume that so far.

donations are probably a little bit lower than twenty twenty since that was such a critical election for the democrats. S IT was like get trump out now kind of the base assumption is that president tend to win their second term. Things are pretty good.

This trump guy seems crazy. He's been the platform for most things, like it's a little bit more abstract, especially if you're in kind of a blue filter bubble like you're on threads instead of twitter. You probably haven't seen that much trump news um and so you might IT might be a little bit less urgent to actually pony up and make a donation to get the guy that you hate out of out of office.

Um but also we're still a little on the early side of the election cycle. Obviously, donations will ramp up and then there is a big delay between when donations are actually made and when they post to the fc database because there's a quarterly reporting system. So when I looked at the data, even someone like shown mire at sakya who publicly posted on x that he was donating, think three hundred thousand dollars or something like that to trump that didn't show up in the fcd database when I pulled the numbers and that just because i'm sure that will um is just going to take a couple more months until that actually shows up.

So what do you think about this?

I mean, I think, well, I was refreshing to see the actual uh, data because my sense had been that really what journalists were doing was extrapolating from like two or three tweet that they had seen and also just like David taxi founders are in sf which obviously ised hackles and they were trying to say, you know look at this evidence of this massive silicon valley vibe shift um which I think points to a broader issue with the idea of trends in general, which is just that there are so we've always been objective right and sort of perspective based.

But I think particularly now when you have so many journalists sort of working from home and and on x or threads all day, their impression of what trends are is going to be shaped by their own algorithm, right? And so I think that you sort of have always have to be a little bit skeptical whenever like the claim being made is based on singular van or even like you know a couple of of big donors because obviously to look on values is a diverse place in the sense it's composed of like you know very different within a sort of broadly higher ing economic tear. But like there's still our differences right between really, really high earning uh big donors and then sort of rank and file A A tech firms um who my sense is are really still died in the world.

Democrats um even if you know they might support more moderate local candidates of their in to go, I think um there there's a lot of hysterical ia around that potentially tracking to support for trump. And I just as i've said on here, I don't think that that a is the case at all. Um so yeah.

I think that's another interesting piece is the way that all of the local politics conversations have probably shaped perspective among journalists on this because you have this real opposition to the far left in safran cisco on a number of issues school stuff, drugs, a law order, the homelessness, housing um but those issues don't clock as really I mean maybe a lot of order to a certain extent but like nationally, those issues don't that's out how we perceive left and right.

It's like left and right according to a place where everyone is left um which is which is sanford cisco. So I think people just been confused. I do think though the culture shift is real.

And if you can write writing about that is, I mean, obviously al right. Like you just you you look at at who is able to talk about trump today and is talking about trump today versus who did IT in twenty sixteen. There was one person in two thousand sixteen IT was Peter and he was right out of town over IT like nobody defended him. Um it's just clearly very different culturally um today.

I mean if this was twenty sixteen, people would be like boycott David saxes portfolio companies he has like a bunch of random and companies.

people writing stories that took money from David sacks. Have you do yeah how they have they announce them yet? Like, have they have given the money back yet? This just like. It's none .

that people decide .

that people .

don't care the things like I I think this weird dynamic, where are almost both sides want this narrative to be real than they think because the ascension tech writting power brokers, they want to project that their gaining steam and that everyone's behind them and get in. This is the best boat to beyond. You want to come with me to the promise land.

We're going to have big influence over the republic lan administration. And then the more like left wing journalists really want to paint tag as this bad, evil thing that's right way. And so they need to kind of emp IT up.

And so you don't have that many moderating forces. Are that many incentives to tell a different story? Um so I just kind of compounds and compounds .

and here we are, the moderates .

the this chat .

um I completely agree with that. Um I also do think that the culture camp er petite real change eventually but not now. I think that is but .

yeah there's also really interesting about like the I don't know, just like um just nationally in the eg guys, there's this idea that like tech dollars are more important than other dollars. So Peter gave I think a little over a million dollars to trump and there were plenty of other you know rich guys who gave ten million or more.

But there are kind of like no name industrial is with from like backwater industries like legacy wealth has just built up in there making a big donation to something that they kind of just believe will will benefit them. But there's this perception that like if a tech person has their hand on the scale in dc, that will have a bigger impact on society because tech is changing society so quickly and that that does feel somewhat legitimate to me um but at the same time, like there's just the reality that um there are so many lobbies. Big oil is still a thing.

Big tobacco is still a thing, like there are other companies is other other you know conglomerate. It's not just big attack. And you know we should probably be you know aware of all .

of those to some degree, yes. But tech is it's the new one and it's still shaping itself into a new elbit class of people. And there's a question of, you know how are they going to involve themselves in this process? And IT, as you just mention, they also like you know separate from the donations, are involved in the creation of platforms that are of themselves shaping our entire reality now and so it's a it's a question of not only how are they influencing this election with money, but um what are their values and how are their values going to shape society separate from that, the money in this way becomes a tale of like which way they they're leaning and um so if I I mean I think that is you know I think that there should be more attention paid personally, I think that, uh yeah I think that there should be more attention paid to tech. So I think IT IT IT does matter more what the technologists think about the world um because what they think about the world is going to tell them, I think, a little more closely what IT becomes over the next ten years and what a guy the the of the country cares about that happens to be really rich less you can you know you can slay politics at a certain level but politics doesn't matter. What matters is what shapes politics and um if that's culture and culture is created online, then the most important people in the world are the ones who are creating the platforms that the online culture and that kind of what I think that's certainly I talking about.

I heard this stat. I don't I don't know exactly how truth is, but I think during the obama administration, the number one uh organization like private company that obama visited more than any other was google. Like that's where he spent the most time, which is very interesting, which like kind of make sense, I have this, this, this, this is that like, if you believe that politics are downstream from culture and you believe that the medium is the message, then the synthesis of those two is that is that those who shaped the mediums, I eat, the technologists create the messages, which creates the culture, which creates the politics.

So in fact, when there's a lot of times when when people love these criticism, attack and then the technologists said to say, try to say like, oh, no, we are just like independently building platforms and we didn't take aside here. But in fact, even just like putting a retweet button or or quote tweet button that makes society more adversary or less adversary hiding like like that does actually trickle down. It's hard to predict, but I think IT does have an impact.

Speaking of that, I know we have we have A A guest coming on on at the moment from ukraine. But before I do want to just quickly on the likes thing work, now, what a weekend to IT. I hate you.

I want public likes back. I want them back. I want to see there are a lot of one. I like to get a sense of who is involved in an issue.

And the likes, a public like option gave me a whole layer, an interesting layer into the conversation in the discourse that was happening that is now god, I feel more blind than I was before. Um and so let's good at at providing my inside, I think, into um what's going on generally to when someone says something stupid in my mentions ons. I don't want to just block them.

I want to block every single person who like their feet and now i'm not able to do that. It's fucking frustrating. Um yeah I don't know what just I mean there are you into the right thing, are you? And I really noticed IT.

but I did enjoy if you find someone who's posting really interesting things, you could go to their page, you could look at they like, and you can have see a second order. I would very rarely click on a post I like that had hundreds of likes and then score through them. That wasn't what I would do.

But so I haven't really noticed IT yet. But i'm sure the next time I find someone who is like a diamond in the rough type of account, I want to see what else they're associates with. Um i'll be .

disapointment we are um we have a lot to talk about on the to range climate activists to attacked stone henge um the other day. There's a wild drama there but before we get into IT um we have a special guest life from kev give, I actually have been there twice, no idea at a pronounced y but patrol month. All who is there today is gonna tell us how to say IT start there, man, what what is? How do you pronounce that word?

Prety much anything but T F, i've learned, apparently T F is the russian pronunciation. And like those at a landmine, as you have avoid IT, I was there .

that go at all .

the russian words i've learned. I've had to like specific, avoid saying, and learn, like the differences in between ukraine, russian, because all the people are defense here. Like refuse to say anything. Russia, what soever and .

interesting yeah, when I was there I was um man. So first of all, Patrick, thanks for coming. Uh, imagine that you were in ukraine and I just thought that is really interesting.

We haven't talked to anyone there in a while. We haven't really talked about ukraine in a while. Been just sort of like memory hold from uh, the public conversation. And then also the the taxi in particular in ukraine, I think is really interesting.

I was there previously before the war and the the main reason I went the first time was I went to lisbon for web summit in twenty ah the year. IT was right when trump was elected. IT was while I was in lisbon, trump was elected president. So IT IT was that moment in time and um I was tty skeptical about going there and checking off this sort of like european tech seen um my assumption was like europeans didn't build companies and to a large extent they proved me right while I was there.

But the weird thing that I found while I was there was every single person I met was like, yeah, i've got this company doing whatever stupid thing I like, oh, like how many engineers like where guys bed and this like they're like five of us in parents. But our entire engineering team is in ukraine and that at the time in america, there's a little bit remote works more common now. But in two thousand sixteen, super not at all how things were done in uh, in the american tech industry.

IT was all just and IT was a Billy negative signal to have teams in different places, especially to be outsourcing garage near in talent. But would me to believe was just that's pretty interesting is something happening in ukraine. They're ton of engineers in ukraine. What is that? Um I went I met a lot of interesting people, have my own stories there.

But what i'd really like to talk about now, I mean, IT spent a long time and many things have happened in the eight years since I first became interested in ukraine and one of them is a fuck in war um which was unfixable when I was there. In the whole time people were dislike, they had bringing IT up Brantome. They kept saying, you know people are really nervous to investor because they think that russian tanks are going to be um you know coming down uh cave and that's not the case and I was like I wasn't thinking that what is going on here? Um what is going on there? You're there.

Why are you there? What are you seeing? And then I want to get into the taxi.

Little bit yes. So I mean at high level um obviously obvious. Ly, so you know everyone talks about defense attack and detach, and ukraine has been a big part of that picture. Um it's kind of gram, but everyone has been calling ukraine like kind of a laboratory for defence tag because instead of having hardware, you know bog down in D O D cell cycles for five years, you can save lives. Now potentially if you yourself actually works and also see hard works, see you have a lot a lot of american companies, you know officially and unofficially ally a sending here here.

Just see if IT works and unfortunate most time he does not um but you know I was largely interested in for the same reason um as you um back in twenty two in two pretty much every investor update that I would get would be like you know low lights half of our engineering team is in cave and their finding shelter and like poland and denmark rather hiding from conscription or whatever. I mean a huge, huge, huge amount of solar vi startups are built on ukraine. An talent um and you know in terms what i'm seeing, it's basically all the people who decide to stay and I will see you a lot of. People who didn't decide to stay have switched from just being you know I T or soft iner consultants for western companies to actually helping the war effort um and again, people who also left the country like so many of the introductions that I got at at this trip. We're from ukrainians who don't want to go back to the country because they don't want to have a cosh, a cov, a throw into their hand, but they still want to help the war as much possible from abroad.

What is the vibe there just in the streets like data day? What what is what is your life right now? What is there life right now?

Um I would say key is kind of like savant cisco of savant cisco's at war there is like a super strong cafe, a culture people are out and about. There's a lot of cool spots like i'm sure the same school boy went to and you, as you know.

eight years ago. Is that really what is is be if would be a war ever thought that maybe you will be fighting? I don't know that like our sort of street gender politics necessarily map to real war with the superpower also.

Um I think the cool thing about our the war is a horrible, horrible, horrible thing. But the server lighting is that IT really breaks the necessity as a result of IT. And so the kind of fake taxi that you saw when you came here a years ago, or europe morbi, has kind of washed away.

Like everyone has focus on what actually matters. And you know, for my perspective as A B, C, like I first started, you know, investing in against twenty eighty, um I alousi never consider european companies like ever. Like I think probably have invested maybe like or in two or three over the years before the war started.

Um completely different. Now like just there is something biological evolutionary in us that when survival is at stake, you stop doing all the bullshit. Um and I think you know i'm optimistic that that's largely what happened.

Differences go to but I don't know that kind of advise that I got everything is supercar deputies like i've had probably fifty meetings here. There was not in a single counter and bit uh, a quarter. These meetings come from just seeing some on the street and then they're like all let's catch up later. It's a very, very just like good goodwives h with some arado sirs and explosions going location in the background .

once in a while or like mean how much of that is happening.

They were like there's probably an hour a half a very ID sions today like commodate vely once in a while you hear in receptions or things head or I mean sometimes it's kind of hard to tell the difference tween these two um the air signs are pretty often um I would say more days than that i've been here. There has been signs to go off often times in the middle night. Um and then the other thing that sucks are the power blackouts. So typically you don't have powerful like hours a day like i'm add a friend's place right now because I didn't want to lose my power in my internet and then there's a world where maybe I keep power, but the internet goes down, so have to switch to my house spot.

What is the sense there, I guess, of how well the war is going? I I am crazy inside. Like what what is your sentiment?

Yeah, I think that depends on who you talk to. Like i'm super biased because pretty much everyone that I met with one here is somehow in the defense ecosystem, when I speak to average ukrainians who are not at all involved, uh, they just want the world be over. They all hate russia, but they also are tired of arid sirs and power blackouts. And this was going off.

Know, even if you are a very stoic, resilient person, it's kind of hard not to be scared when sir go off in the distance and hear a boom like you don't sleep close the window anymore because you don't want to be to shatter your window like there's all these considerations now, uh, that they not worry about before in terms of whether another winning the war. Um I think it's pretty to steal mate. I would say that russia is probably slightly winning.

but I less interested in really what the truth is so much just like what people feel and think or or are feeling of thinking on the .

grounds I think I think everyone is pretty exhausted, to be honest. Yeah every like everyone wants to win poor. But it's hard to not be exhausted when like you don't have power and working hard water and stuff.

Do you think there's resignation to just is IT like it's going to end in whatever that means we accept?

Um no, I think a loud people are optimistic that the war at least can to last for a while. I don't have optimistic is right where to use there. But like no one thinks that keeps about to fall or anything like that, although the country is about to Emily go under.

I think if you're in the leg, is pasmers can your leg okay, you know, ukraine's going to give up the east and admit that, you know, crime is russian territory in their old bps. And I have her rumours of a peace deal, which I don't at all believe is going to happen, especially ahead of the U. S.

election. But that's kind of what the pessimism is just like, okay, we're probably to lose the war. That's probably just going to be losing the east kind of thing.

right? Tell me a little bit more about the taxi you are mentioning that like things have evolved pretty quickly there um in an interesting way just given the pressure of the war, what does that look like now? What is ukrainian n tex. seen? What is the ukrainean taxi?

It's it's basically a city full of very, very small offices in very discreet office buildings .

um of Young ukrainian dudes.

Engineers typically are just working in dark rooms and like they have their power banks during blackouts, so actively hooked up to the electronics in laptops they that they need. Um it's just it's very, very, very scrappy. I think i'm a positive about this when impression there's actually a law that you can only have a certain number of engineers in any room at any given time because there have been you know issues with russian setting missiles at starts.

And so like there's there's all this calculus that goes into like where you work in, like what you say, what you don't say, like um I haven't verified this, but so he told me the the the highest floor of every obvious building is now the lowest like cheapest. It's completely inverted because you're at the highest risk of being hit. I am in a solar debris and so just on .

on the russians targeting startups saying, what tell me can you tell me a little bit more about that what you ve had?

Yeah I mean, like basically if the russians find out they are working on like A A important capability, like maybe your, I don't know, doing visual navigation for drones, you can fly like E W denied territory, like electronic warfare tonight territory. Or you're working on a new municipal, they don't know how to defeat um if they know where you are, it's like a calculus. It's like, okay, this missile causes a million dollars.

This is our likelihood hiding this target based on you know ukraine tayer defense. They very much consider you available though. And so I think the russians just can't say doing like a prioritization of this person's worthy, this personal worth IT.

And like, you know, for example, I was just in crack off for an a nato conference before this, which was the first trip the first country to a europe ever spent to, and one the guys that I met there afterwards, he told me that twelve people from moscow via his website, it's like the russians always watching. And so that's in the back of the mind of every single treatment ur of, like, am I A target? How do I avoid becoming a target while also telling people about what i'm building?

What is your sense of I know about your sense I what is your gage on how the ukrainians think about tech elsewhere? Like how are they thinking about their relationship right now with amErica or americans?

I would say everyone here is super, super grateful for western ID. Like there is not in one even like when I go to the kind of like Williams burg, a equivalence of key like no one is anti amErica or anything um there is in a general, I would say consensus that like american defense tag is not super serious. So everyone has their own version of the story of like in american product that gets tested here and just completely fucking files and they are just not viewed with with great repeatable. And then I won't say that there is animosity, but there is some general like disconnect of like why are these american companies who are not even in ukraine raising tens millions dollars, and I as a ukraine entrepreneur, and like trying to get the next ten thousand dollars to purchase this drone?

Kind of think I don't understand the distinction like like I don't understand the parallel there. There are very different things, right? Like one is a company raising money to build a product and one is someone who wants money to buy something to use, right?

Oh, like I guess in the latter example, I mean, like you know a ukraine start up that is building something that goes on a time but they need the money .

for the true like my point understand sort like a risk in funding a company based in a country .

of war yeah so that's that's obviously my response. Like i've made several investments here, but very selectively and like what I have told explicit to allowed these entrepreneurs, you know, it's first often impossible to use in the ukraine entity. We need a dollar court or something.

And then, you know, to your point, there is added risks to the already very risk in nature adventure when you invest in a country like ukraine. Um but from their perspective, you know they're avoiding missile attacks. They're thinking about the russians. They are trying to win a war and every single week or amount they're being tested on the battle field and the products that they're building, then you hop in their laptop and they be article like so and so company with no contracts in the us wins x millions of dollars in funding stuvic sense.

What make sense? I mean, just generally speaking, the funding ecosystem in amErica is stupid, like there are all sorts of companies getting money. Shouldn't getting money and the lot that just has to do with the fact that there are so much money that's been raised to put into a very few number of companies that are actually good.

Um yeah I I understand what that's coming from. Uh, really interesting you guys saga, john, you guys have any questions for paters there about the other of the tech ecosystem or just sort of what's going on in. On the streets .

of key generally I would just ask I mean I my sort of naive assumption was that most military age men would be like actively conscripted as there are some sort of exemption for people who are working in the defense tax space .

um from the draft yeah pretty exactly that um they keep eliminating the exemption. I don't know. The latest is like it's actually been quite a controversial issue. They just limited to one for tool citizens like e ukrainian and U S. Citizen in theory could be conscripted because they need men, obviously. But yes, my understanding is if you work in the defense industry for a company and you have government contracts in your exams and then I think there are some category of interpreting or who doesn't have contracts yet, so could be called to the war any given time. I think they're being careful about conscripting Young people though, because obviously they want so in to rebuild the country after the war.

How often you sing americans when you're over there? Are you seeing other people like you or other, you know, people from the U. S government or D O D or military over there.

Um I would say extreme rarely, especially Young people. Um there is like death, the category of like shady foreigners who I don't know why they are here. There's also like six series. So like I was in a hotel other day, there were just ten japanese people drinking. I don't know why I assuming they were here as part of addition um I was in a supermarkets day and there was a tall american man wearing a suit in leg, very expensive gator carboy boots. I complimented his shoes and perfect english and just walked away because that's how rate is like I have been for almost three weeks of this point and i've maybe heard english on the sidewalk like four or five times um from americans I mean ah so it's really I pretty about a .

couple stories about people just like kind of running hustles like they'll go to best buy in america. We'll buy A D J, A bunch of D J, I drones, hop on a flight, resell them for ten acx and IT pays for their flight and they make a profit. Have you running anyone? This is kind of not doing a start up necessarily, but just like, you know, running a hostile essentially yeah.

there's defining a lot of just very scrappy people here. Um I deffand's had a few of the ers like the the the world, which in the west, early and tack, has a very negative contention, obviously has been kind of useless. They're kind of like running the war and a lot of ways.

So like if you can get a government contract in ukraine, you basically sell to the ngos, surely that's my understanding of IT. And then they donated to the front lines. They are getting gear and and now the country is my understanding. I mean, I I don't have any direct experience with this, but they they have you know hundreds of right that others of people who are doing all that. So I wouldn't all be surprised by that.

Really interest.

really interesting. I would love this word and as soon as possible, it's a total nightmare. Feel bad for everyone there. Um I think it's really interesting that you're out there is interesting to here what's going on uh banks for stopping by and um be safe, see you back in the country call.

Thank you.

All right. So we got to talk about stone hinge um couple days IT was IT. Now this point is friday, this release just a couple days ago.

Um I mean this is in this ongoing trend, right of crazy people attacking things that people care a lot about either with uh, paint usually over so something can climate activists throwing paint on the model sa or something it's protected by glass. So nothing really know that much should be done. We recently saw a couple of climate activists also in the U K.

Actually slash a painting um that was on one of the causes and now going after the stone hands which is like an ancient monument and uh part of uh not just U K, but I would say really like world heritage and history is but churched the object in our world, one of the more important physical things in terms of how people understand themselves. And we can go on, I guess, on this for a while. But the point is they threw some much pain on everyone, obviously lost their minds that the point of this is to get everybody in the world is furious about something to look at, something to pay them attention, which of course, i'm doing now because it's just too funny.

And I have to talk about the fact that apparently these climate activists, a, by throwing the paint on the monument, one or violation of some crazy monument along in the U. K. So maybe are going to prison too.

There's a rare species of like in apparently that only lives on the monument. Strains to me, find IT suspicious. But everybody saying so the environment list are angry with themselves in this case.

And then three, this happened right before. associate. So the people who are most incense were actually environmental pages in the U. K. Who are freaking out about how offensive this was to the pagan people of, I don't know whatever the fox stone hangers but a lot of thoughts on this drama generally speaking, IT is funny always to see the crazy people in the world matter each other um but this particular organization just up oil, has quite a funny background saga I would love you to break IT down for us today.

yes. So just up oil actually a pretty new group. They were only founded twenty twenty two. They're british because all the the crazy environmentalists, all the craziest environmentalists tend to be british. Um so you know extinguish belly is british as well.

Um another group could insulate britain but apparently goes around to the U K, chaining themselves together and blocking roads um so that the government will insulate houses is is also british um but yeah they sort of um favorite direct action as they call IT. So they're responsible for the paint throwing on like the mona lisa and then go and they sort of ten to use orange that there the color of choice. But they are mainly funded by U S. Full anthropic. It's it's actually pretty interesting.

They have been they've gotten almost all their funding from an L A based uh climate organization called the climate emergency fund which ironically is funded by big oil through through many generations and is funded by a woman named ewen getting uh who is the areas to the getty petro chemical fortune um and i'll say that there is a kind of this is a there is a pattern of a female sort of areas to oil fortunes giving money to kind of dragged activist causes lea hunt hendricks, who's the partial areas to a big texas oil fortune um is one of the most notable donors to solid are which is a big left wing uh nonprofit that gives money to tons of strange climate. Org ization funded a lot of B L M stuff. Um SHE actually got her P H D under cornel west at princeton. So SHE is lots of lots of interesting writing about her, but basically trust up oil indirectly uh is is being funded by oil um well .

make sense right? I mean what I know personally when I see these two clowns lumber over to the stonehenge and doubt IT in some chemical that I don't know what IT is and cheer about how othmi is and sit down and refuse to leave, I personally, and they are doing this in the name of, you know, stopping us from using oil. I personally want to burnt as much oil as possible, like I would literally buy barrels of IT right now and lighted on fire.

That's the state of my that i'm in. And so if big oil was funding these people, you would make sense. I mean, who doesn't want to burn gas after one of his neck beard tells you to stop doing IT?

Yeah, people, I mean, people have been saying for a while that some of these kind of extreme climate, like what there's a word for them, these like extinction. They're obsessed, the idea of human extinction and and the only solution to to the climate crisis is basically just like stop having kids and then kill yourself and stop taking planes before you kill yourself.

But you know that maybe somehow they're kind of like a big oil set up because people see this stuff. And instinctively the reaction is, you know, these people are destructing things that we find beautiful. They are desiccating ancient objects. I mean, there is this interesting dimension of lake japanese tourists who was kind of pointless trying to tackle these draining british activists who are descrying their own sort of millennia cultural monument and you know you see this and you immediately think, okay, whatever these people are for i'm against basically um so it's it's extremely and effective I think is as a tactic.

Well, there's a debate about that specifically, right? Because obviously every time they do something hitlist like this, I mean something like stone hand, we all know what that is.

And so to see IT even though though it's going to be fine, the idea that IT might not be that someone would try to make IT not fine is enranged for the reason that you mentioned um but the retort is like, yeah we know and we're do we get on purpose and there's actually a book y'll read something for radials that advice for radical or strategy for radical or the popular marxist book that's like that expect advises people to do just this to, uh evoke IT is much way as possible. IT doesn't matter. Your goal is not to persuade people.

Your goal is just to get attention on your cause. If their goal is just attention on the cause, I guess in their minds succeeded. Think IT has, I don't know, IT seem so crazy, right? But I do think that they think that they're winning. That's why they keep doing this me just that one that there was that one the one who said he was an archaeologist there's the tweet of check is just like as an archaeologist and a supporter of just up oil element, explain why this was great and as he defends the sort of deseret i'm stone hands uh I guess these people I must need story to really believe that the world's about the end and this is like um the obvious yes they reflect movie that a netlist movie the don't look up member yeah um so this the premising movie .

we watch IT is there's a giant media is .

going to destroy all life on earth and the scientists for all the heroes of the movie are saying we've got to stop duce me with this media it's coming we're all going to die and everyone like you're crazy it's not going to APP in and it's like right there and you can look at IT never like, no, it's A.

It's a um it's cheap fake to all other story to talk about um but in fact it's real and everybody dies and climate scientists like to say they like to point that movie and say it's just wow it's just like it's just like that movie which was created as propaganda for the climate people. I don't think that IT is I don't think it's so simple as like all of life on this plant is going to end. And I think um probably there are real consequences, serious consequences to global warring.

I think it's could be chaotic, like not really predictable. I think some places might actually be Better than other places. Um and this is a super news conversation that also has drop back when you're talking about what what would happen if we stop using oil, let's actually talked about that first second.

Like what does the world look like if suddenly there's no oil production, no fossil fuels whatsoever, the entire plastics industry vanishes? What does that mean for medicine? What does that mean for the cost of transportation of food?

How many people starved to death because this drain ed blue hair activist doesn't want us to use oil? Literally started to that. I mean, at a certain level, you're moving food around the world and uh, there's an oil cost to that, a fuel cost to that, that a kind figure of sense were eating these chemicals. And um if you just stop, a lot of people can no longer feed themselves there. No, the effects started.

There are no low energy rich countries. You've seen that graph right, where IT shows the more energy the country produces, the richer they get. Um I rich .

think but Richard is bad. We don't need .

money and mortality.

And these are people who are divorced from IT. These are people who have always had money so they don't know what it's like when you don't have any. These are people who have ve never had to worry about food security.

So the cept of where comes from as something we've ever talked about or thought about this is like during cover we saw this when all of our supply chains, I won't say they collapsed but they were disturbed and um you suddenly couldn't get things uh that I think for a lot of people was sort of a wake up up call you know for your whole life. You go to the store and you buy what you need and you don't really think about where comes from or or or wire what the costs are. So see that what needs to go into those things um until suddenly you don't have them. And then you really curious like why is why is they're not enough meat or dairy or whatever? Why does IT cost so much money and I can afford IT like you don't really care till there's a crisis and these people don't really care at all because they've ever had.

I think, a real crisis in their life. Fun fact about getting air there's A A different getty air in los Angeles whose names is bells are getting an awesome name ah and he's just A D J. And so you go to like a party at art gallery and like he's their DJ and it's .

just the best 其他 的 money the work was as such。 No.

I just think that seems like a Better use of the money is just like funder career.

I do wonder if I mean, IT seems like this this particular oil air is like funding like declared ist anti oil movements. But like I wonder if there's at least some allocation towards proactive solutions. Like do you buy tesla stock? You know there are a bunch of I just see these people I am like, go work at a nuclear company, go build the solar panel, like just do something. There's so many ways they were charging.

They were just in germany charging the tesla factory. Try to take down the man. Never forget that he looked like he was like, I was like, dot of the dead. This was like charging through the field like destroyed the election. C cars yeah IT .

is I don't know how you get to like the declaration position. You can totally believe that there's a climate crisis that's imminent and that can motivate you to build nuclear power plants and rose solar panels and do so many other things.

But for some reason, when someone does that and then they make about your money doing and they create actually a sustainable, scalable system that that can take carbon out of the, out of the atmosphere consistently, then all of us on their demonized. It's very odd that the weirdest shift has been all the climate people saying, like, kind of we should electa cars are bad and we should go back to gas clean cars. And has just been a very, very weird shift IT. I mean, IT reveals that it's not actually about the climate. It's about like production and wealth.

I don't see that much on the lecture cars broadly, but on ella musk specifically. And isn't that relatives rooted in the fact that I think these are just all of this is I don't i'm only people wants to reduce every single political thing into communism versus capitalism. I don't think it's all of IT.

I don't think wackiness. Honestly, I thought a lot about this. I'm not really convinced that it's just Marks and I think it's more complicated is weird than that.

It's like sudoku tian like our anti Christian, sort of like a bastard zed version. Critically, it's interesting, complex, not just about communism. This feels very motivated by socialism. I would say IT IT feels very like left wing economics based and and that is uh probably also why you keep having to have conversations about the desperately economic impacts of of different regions based on climate change.

They always want to talk about this, which is crazy because you're speculating on a future world that how could you possibly begin to map who's going to be impacted by, uh, by climate change but they try to and it's usually a poverty based thing. IT does feel like code right like again, like you said, john y if you care about global warming and we have this conversation of million times um I don't want to labor the point but it's like nuclear is obvious. I think that g engineering is obvious.

If you really think it's a problem, we need to start talking about ocean sitting. It's you're already saying there is too much carbon in the atmosphere. We are all going to die, right? This was great, thug is saying, so keeping carbon of the atmosphere as a matter you need to be removing.

And why are we doing that? Their projects, we know that will help and we're not doing that. And we're not doing IT because I don't think they believe in this. I do not think that they really believe that um we are facing an imminent climate. apologise. I think it's just like A A gut feeling they have that rich people are bad for the world and that's a feeling that you know as have had since the age of like the begin of mankind.

I think people who have more bananas are going to be targeted by people with less banana as I think it's probably especially bad if it's like a little girl who grew up with a lot of bananas and now you can't make as many bananas because you have a skill that is cell ble. But there is a guy over there ellam. He's got a whole fuck and castle of benas that makes me mad. I'm taking down the castle. That's what she's, that's what she's mad about.

okay. Last question is, is, is, don't hand you actually cool. I've never been. And I feel a lot of time to build these things up. And then you hear people like, wasn't actually that bigger cool? Once I found out .

that the jewels were worshipping in IT. And then I goole IT to see if I was curse because there's this stone hinged with her account that was furious up with these are these activists like don't to have to switch was going on? Um I just googled and so does that is curse that I think it's interesting. I would love to know more about stone age.

We need like a bass pro shops version of stones engine amErica for sure. Well, we have that snake thing.

I you have to wash more network documentaries about ancient civilizations the the crazy like like native american snake mound um I don't know like you to say something about about stanch which .

is .

that I hear ave brys words that which is another stone uh formation but apparently can actually touch the stones, whether IT stone handler supose to maintain like a respectful distance from them so eve berries like the cooler place to go.

I guess what is the read, if anything, about all this in the U. K. Right now? You're there is are to people even know, is that even registering, not even know this is happening is like a complete twitter drama or what .

no people have been talking about that. I mean, I think the elections coming up um and IT seems like you know labor the sort of left leaning parties almost certainly going on a sweep. But I think my sense of people are people are pissed about IT.

But then there is all this also this like contingent of people. Maybe this is because i'm actually around the area that this organization was arted who think that this is like sort of a justifiable action. I mean they are very french um and uh tend to live in areas that already have like very well developed organic food networks and plots of nearby local farms and so they think that this is the way that like the entire world lives. Um but my sense is most people knew about IT and have been dealing with these people forever um and kind of just hate them. I mean they were condemned by basically everyone uh across the political spectrum um so yes so I mean massive .

lack of ambition from these guys. I feel like if I was in charge of disrupting stones and I could have knocked over.

right IT doesn't seem that art .

IT doesn't seem that hard to actually just knocked over. Throw a rope over. You pull really hard. Like if you really about that life, you should have you've knocked IT over, made a bigger statement, a couple the paint like, and they are going be fine. Well.

I don't know if they're actually physically strong enough to do IT. I mean, the ordinary zone is basically composed of like non binary women. And old is a lever long enough .

and I shall lift the earth yeah some mass skills to work.

I don't think that that maybe you right, maybe I mean, these are the people who i've seen them cement themselves into buckets before, but they're used tools. They did know how to use them. I did the origin see your point about like the fact they're all out of shape.

I just saw another video from just oil IT was this you said he was a gender queer SHE might obama? Sher was he was in bigger gender and bigger, sure. But he was, uh, a little video that he posted partly SHE had painted some private jets orange and he was sitting down on. The what that was Taylor swift jet.

that's what you're saying.

Yeah that's other they're actually .

in Taylor swift. There's a whole so they're .

mad a tailer generally you see that I just saw whole tiktok or not tiktok, I grated really about this was a guy breaking down his climate anger with Taylor for um taking private jets everywhere he did when he was like the thing was like the video at the end of the video, which was like a couple minutes maybe was like a four minute thing about all of her crimes against humanity.

Um for a private jet usage, he's like in the real fucked up thing about this is that the private jet that he was talking about, the prior jet ride, the private flight that he was addressing of Taylors in california, I was like from one town to other. He's like that private flight was as long as this video. So he took a private flight for four minutes to go to a different first town, which is actually so iconic what they're .

mad .

about IT a and so that that is the the me, I think that they're building on top of is the tailor swift jet things. So this woman e's painting them orange. She's filling about what he just did.

She's on camera. SHE can't catch your breath. And twenty two, and i've just grade two.

Private jet orange. We need an international Tracy. And against the burning of all oil, coal and gas. She's like, yeah, this jet that I just and she's like overweight and like the skin looks clime and it's like something is going to get this girl a shot of vitam something I know all of them give the works, read mail, giver a diet and like that. This is people need to help start here.

They're not even even distributed. I eagerly awaiting king, a climate neutral four minute flight across, down. Sounds amazing.

I I mean, if you've got IT, you know you don't want to be against .

the swift is as soon as I heard all the .

sweeties are it's complicated for them. This is like sort of like in the rule all the roup all universe um a lot of reports, like most hard core fans, are divided on the issue of reports fracking rupal has public has landed leases to fracas. It's like it's complicated and like we love him, but like this is problematic and we tailor I think a lot of they were like we love but yes, it's problematic.

But but she's Taylor and she's going to save the democracy because i'm sure he's going to endorse or something whatever they think about. I don't things are crazy. They're about as crazy as these actis.

How would he not take a private jet though he would get like mobile if he were on a commercial flight, like even in first clash, he would get.

yes, I do think though like a private from one town to another, SHE doesn't have to two.

three minutes in A S. U. V, the private, versus four minutes on a plane private. But i'm sure there's .

a factor got to be the plane serves SHE does .

travel with a lot of people. I'm sure like SHE is a whole crude. But yes.

tell well, you know what, i'm happy for her. I'm happy for us. Um I happy for the weekend touch grass weekend.

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