Trump Is Causing Everyone To Lose Their Minds, Liberals Leaving X, Democrat Aftermath, DOGE
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Everything that seemed like IT was not actually that big of a deal just weirdly got a louder.

no sex with men, no giving birth, no dating men and no marriage with men.

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never ever design anybody that I loved because of politicians and I think it's shameful to do gest. We're going to dress up and put that on when we order grab up. And it's like that's what IT leads to. You're alone dressing up for indoor ash.

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What's up, guys? Welcome back to the hide IT has been I mean, listen, I thought that things were going to be reasonable after the trump election. I thought things were pretty muted.

They've gotten completely off the rails we have coming up for today our Polly market segment. Don't forget, IT were going to be talking about social media in the question of whether or not trump our truth, social and uh, an extra can emerge. We have our prior idol segment is is back.

It's a settle the semi finals for the semi finals now, which means we ve got a Molly and car dic joining us for the entire second half of this episode. But before all of that, we have to get into this reaction, which I feel stupid, genuinely not stupid, naive for thinking like this, wasn't that bad. Things are fine.

People are not that crazy. It's not going to be twenty sixteen to twenty twenty all over again. There are few crazy, but overall, it's sort of a muted reaction. No, no, no, no.

Um everything that we sort of reference last week with bridget ah we were getting we were touching on a sort of laughing about, for example, the four b movement. Everything that seemed like IT was not actually very big of ideal has just weirdly got louder. And my sense now is just it's going to get a lot louder. And let us take a piece by piece, tell me about the national sex track, of course.

So in the wake of trance Victory last week, we began to see online the most Normal and well adjusted reaction to an election in history. I Frankly um that being women doing their best impression of a monk in shaving themselves completely bold and pledging abstinent we all do this after election right I totally do um so the four b movement which even at home just did a piece on for us and everyone should go read um starting korea and stands for four sort of like no nose um those being no sex with men, no giving birth um no dating men and no marriage with men um in lefty people online here amErica have sort of adopted this movement um and are posting about IT on tiktok and threads and wherever else they migrate um many people are pointing out though that if you really wanted to stick IT to the pro life Christian right is swearing off primarily sex. The best way to do that a lot of questions there um at the same time though, you haven't equally to ranged responsible the other side of the a political spectrum uh one certain individual who is actually public about not supporting trump uh for reasons we don't need to get into uh clearly trying to troll these clearly agitated for b people um send out the now viral tweet your body my choice forever uh which the four bee people of course constructed to be representative of all trump supporters everywhere um in the result has been a total shit storm on both sides that have made social media even more of a toxic hell .

hold and IT usually is yes I think I mean right off the bat the former movement IT blows my first ball. It's like very clearly lesbia's side up. There's a whole piece of bit that people are leaving out that i'm killing.

It's straight up its red FM stuff. It's it's a gender. It's part of the gender critical movement.

IT is popularized by radical feminist, radical feminine so we d know that maybe if you're super into the online law you may be know a little about the turf the trans exclusive radical feminist okay, this is a highly um I won't say not alter or lesbians, probably not even the most star but it's heavily it's heavily lesbian environment. This is very clearly I mean, they didn't say no sexy. They said no sex with men, no dating men.

I mean lesbian is m on the table so one that's funny to me that these are these like sensitive threats girlies are getting siop by turf basically. Um there is something happening here is that is that is IT performance um is IT real. I don't I don't know how to I don't know how to wait, 不然 and to wear you out on .

this I think peace are some very smart women basically。 Um I I think that that there there is a very good tragedy for picking up men. I think this is actually a meeting strategy like what they're doing is they are setting up a chAllenge for the right man to overcome.

This is an a Normal thing that women do trying to find men. That's all like the barrier strategy or the chAllenge strategy. And what that does is that weeds out men who um what others SE just White like would be committed with one I want one night stand, just have sex, right?

So what they are doing is they're setting up a barrier and they're saying any man that can that can overcome this chAllenge of mine um then you're worthy you know of of of of checking up. And so I think this is just a really sophisticated way to get to get married and have kids with with men, Frankly. Seriously.

how does one overcome the chAllenge?

You just got to be like you ve got to mean ally, to be a trans ally, but not binary ally. All, all the allies. Dire hair blue, you know, I don't know IT just reminds me though.

there are these like read bits that are popping off about women who who want to liberal women who dances about, uh, having sexual matic people basically. And there seems to be a lot of this and like a lot of funny when I get on to instagram where we we are talking about politics that there's like a knowing laughing sort of, but right when guys are hotter thing that that happens. So is the way that you win really by being an ally or is IT by saying.

yes, this stupid? There's different ways to skin the cut here. I I think I I think generally though every humans need companionship and they need love and they need need sex.

And um you know I i've seen like when I was not married and was dating people that like principles tend to not be worth very much when you are dating and you want to have sex for somebody like IT just happens there's it's it's transcends of values and and so yeah I think earthly like I don't believe if you take the former thing seriously, I don't it's hard for me to believe that the first guy that a girl that does for be likes comes around and is really attracted to I don't see how they don't just like be like I am not doing for me anymore, right? Because this is how attraction and love and dating works. And so I think they are doing IT for the legs and their history on, and I can probably have mental the soldiers too, Frankly. I mean.

I also think you're right. So wonder that it's a lot of like lesbians. So i've even seem like a lot of like explicit lesbians like advocating this, like they're doing something like no worthy bigs wearing off sex with men like you were doing this before, what are you? You're not doing anything worthwhile.

You were already doing this. I wonder if they can, if they can have sex with trans women because there no .

the gender crit people would be. That's a hard that's like one of they're famously not into that. It's real. But like many things were going to talk about today, it's not because I have a good reason not to think it's real, because I can imagine that being real.

But what if IT is? What if these people are more unwell than I realized? You've already seen this stuff on dating apps, little pieces of this, uh, people demanding political pity test and things like this.

People do seem to be really upset, I think more upset maybe than we even realized because they seem so funny and childish. But it's growing, not diminishing. And as trump starts actually being something to empower yet, I think that we're entering a period of of greater and greater.

Crazy is not only among the left, but also among the right because of what happened on now that you have elan's ownership over IT, you have broad free speech. You that means there are a lot of other crazy people involved. For example, I went us who I don't feel dealing with the grippers right now and that is highly sort of this he said, no.

they like most get in there .

um you have this group of, I don't want to insult them, but it's like there are literally I think they're openly White nationalists. No, is this not there? It's like White identity, White everything.

So certainly don't like jews, certainly don't like israel. Critically, I think did not endorse truck. Uh actually campaign against him has been next relentlessly anti drop for months and months and months the moment he wins.

Uh, he released the statement rather what was IT again? Exactly your body, my choice for ever, almost designed, almost designed to infuriate polar ize and and to do IT in the name of truth and and you're going to see stuff like this. I think it's gna keep happening.

So that group is not silence anymore. And I think there's a principal reason why no one should be silent. So whatever is not unaffecting violence is still pretty grisly.

Ly stuff at they're saying the numbers are growing. Everything they say is going to be amplified by people on threats. We're looking for a reason or looking for evidence that there is this really horrific, terrifying thing on the rise on the right. We're going to credit to trump, and you're just going to see the inspiring this the expiring crazy loop is my maybe concern right now. So the four big thing is funny.

It's like funny that these people maybe who maybe you don't even want to have sex with her, saying, no, I going to have sex with you um and then the point stroling thing, it's like maybe there's something funny about IT, like he's just a roll. He knows he's going to get this crazy reaction, but at the end of the day, people are responding to that. I see both sides responding to each other seriously and IT IT seems to be the the opposite of what what is the visual cycle is the opposite of that. Um it's just as I can do loop but for all of culture is what IT seems .

like you don't think that was a troll that that is what he said you think he understood .

believes that was I mean.

you see religious to see like a sea of as some kind of hard core Christian that I may not even know what one second opportunity is like you have a catholicon doesn't teach that the wife should obey her husband for example, like islam does you know like I think .

where's this belief coming?

What is this ideology? I don't even totally understand IT what .

it's like this mean, it's like this right wing like it's not White.

White nationalists don't inhering believe your your body. My choice do is that a may see how is an adjacent ideology.

but I don't no arrived the thing.

But I think .

that what we're picking up on is just this new emerging. Rising ideology that is acutely twenty first century acute memetic acute of the internet and it's sort of like the intersection of, I don't know like what's that do the the woman uh and tate sort of of IT is in there. It's like Richard sponsor is in there and it's like just people who are genuinely trolling online are in there. And there's some sort of emerging political ideology in the middle. All of those things.

Now we we had this was talk like I I mean, I I would compare that to the progressive left ideology, which tells us that we should be castrating chemically to ten old boys and other really horrific things. I think he's just as bad as saying your body, my choice, quite Frankly.

Oh yeah. agree. No, yeah, yeah. I I agree that they are. yeah. I do agree with that. I think that just we've never seen these people have so much of the platform before. yeah.

And because of that, you're really going to you you just i'm able to see in real time the whether that activates people on a far more levering platform, which is threads. So these things are said by just one two people. They are picked up on, uh, a highly left wing place by thousands and thousands of people who are freaking out about IT. And then in return, they're calling for really sort of crazy things.

I think even if the your body, my choice stuff is just A A troll like IT does run the risk of like totally amplifying the for b movement into something that just like something you can laugh at and do something that like does become like you know more widespread. And if that's the case, like like this originated in south korea that currently has what the lowest birthrates on the planet. So like there actually could be like real, no consequences for this. If this becomes less of a social media thing to laugh at and more like a real.

I don't think people are principled enough like it's you're going against your basic instincts not to done you railer anything. But I just think it's I think in two weeks, there's a really there's over fifty percent chance that we're not gonna talking about this will have forgotten about IT. Um I think this is a this is a social media trend. Um people need to um they need they need to release right now. They they need some place to perform their outrage and some people are saying some things that are getting a lot of likes and that's what is going on.

I think I want to move on um slightly sort of a just to the adjacent left. All these shoppers are kind of are kind of connected today because the meltdown has been so, so significant. What are you seeing on the media side of things?

I'm seeing a mix, but I think there's definitely a story to tell about the democrats not necessarily having learned their lesson from the resulting trump Victory. Obviously, we all know that trump took the house, the senate, the popular vote and electoral vote um and so you would expect them to do a little bit of soul searching just some anette though showing that some in the democratic party or not doing any soul searching what, however, on a CNN panel that was sort of like a post modem, there's a viral clip of this of how, what, why, how why to trump win a um you know one of the penalty sts is like sort gender sort almost fearfully trying to suggest that IT might be one of these things where parents like might not be comfortable with boys and their little girl's locker rooms right? And this this White guy panel is like explodes .

and i'm not exaggerating. all. Girl, a lot, not how to change there are not as they're going there.

Another cup that's going around um where again N M S N B C P analyst is trying to gently suggest that maybe trump got elected because grocery Prices were inflated and again this another wild IDE guest on the show um goes on this huge giant tribe about how essentially was White supremacy that got trump elected.

There's this sense right that Whitehouse right is on threat the demographic shift the country is in what all of these racially ambiguous children on cherie's commercials are confusing the hell out of me. A lot of people voted because their lives too dem, expensive and and IT was here and they vote IT.

You're telling me death that all of these people who believe that their lives are that bread is too high and eggs are too high, that they voted for convicted felon, a guy who said we can grab the peace. I think that IT for this guy. I'm not defending IT, but I think there are tons of people that don't pay attention. I am not defending IT don't pay attention to politics .

at all and then like on the other side of things like the FBI yesterday just rated shaine the founder of polar markets house, which is fucking crazy. Um I just thought today that chuck summer treated the picture of like some of the newly elected democratic senators and this caption was this class of democratic senators is the most diversly ever um and then he goes through the races one by one is like sunder blunt rochester and also broke mark the first time two black women have served together in the senator kim is the first korean american deserve senor golah expands the number of his panic senators.

So I mean, there were three issues actually that I looked up polling that essentially made voters not vote for kala the economy, the border and a cultural issues like the trend stuff, right, and diversity stuff. Had they just dropped out those cultural issues and just been Normal in that, I don't think they would have lost the election, Frankly. I mean, obviously it's that's an opinion but IT doesn't seem to me like um democrats are internalizing that or or or would agree with me on that.

Um on the other side there are some moderate voices on the left that um seem appeared to be being pretty reasonable um as has been going around on twitter today. Asc removed the pronounce in rubio personably they were in rubio before i've seen i've seen a side by science screen shot that seems to be the case um there's a viral clip of p buda judge basically on the progressive left um a wacky ideological project. There's a really, really kind of cathartic clip of reclined saying, I mean, i'll just read what he said.

He said the thing that surprised mean the least in this election was the sharp red shift in big cities. Because if you just talk to anyone who lives in them, there are furious. This idea that crime is actually down, that it's misinformation for fox news.

Just shut the fuck up with that. This is aslan. Comcast is mulling and M S N B C sale like the present of comcast confirmed this. Um last week, near times reported that prime time viewership of M M S MBC has fAllen fifty three percent since october and on the other side, viewership has jumped twenty one percent on fox news. So I don't know.

I mean, like I think that the question is, obviously, are the dams going to eat the progressive left from their party or is like the movement over the past eight years told the hard left kind of like a rachet? Like can they just not getting getting up go back, you know? And that's A I think we'll see I posted .

in response some of this stuff as IT was happening. And I said IT was specifically, I think I might have been the one that you mentioned, the first one that mention of of that like crazy White dude who is transformer a to the other panelist who was another democrat who was I K. I think that people care about this in the reason was like to yeah, but the reason was saying that was because I was polled that those are the polling did not suggest this.

And the most successful uh republican ad I think might have an demos ccea ful republican add how to do with gender queuers stuff and then one and um if this came up again and again and again in my lection, especially among parents, you had moved in in the Virginia town that everyone was was loud and where you had uh the a tradition in one of the schools that drove tons of to the right and so that's why the guys bringing IT up and then he couldn't even bring IT up for purposes of strategy on a panel about how to improve democrats odds because he's getting screamed APP by the other guy on panel who's like, i'm not going to sit here and listen to transport bia and it's like, okay. Well, this is we're literally talking about how to win elections. And if you not going to see here for that and you're just going to keep losing, I think and I I anna, i'm hopeful that is just some wish for thinking um or that is not wish for thinking on my part that actually um there has to be some movement on some of this crazier stuff or the democratic because I would be cool to just get to a place where both parties were not that insane.

I will say that there was one more note for your brand on your long list of things that are happening. I read that the um abc is looking to diverse y the you a little bit the show of you with with approach trump voice which is funny because they were another one. I mean the view get so much.

I've been so I been of you guy since I was ten years old, homesick, like I seen every twist turn of that show. I am a huge fan of IT. I bet a fan get forever, even when it's terrible, which is almost always. I'm a fan of that slop, but give IT to me. I did like walters for real, though I felt like he was a great woman.

I also love lippi for real, and joy for service said there their political pains arrange a, but more recently they have been getting into this drama after drama, after drama, and especially post trump, because they are sort refusing to learn the lessons, especially Sunny hostin, who I would argue is the worst one on there. SHE recently caught fire over an an opinion that's been coursing all of these different shows. There was a penalty on CNN. I believe that was then echoed by by Sunny the other day. IT was a question of, like, should we be going over our family's house if they voted for job?

And he came out as a fun to prove the good.

I really do feel that this candidate, the president electrum is just a different type of candidate um from the things he's said and the things he's done and the things he will do. It's more of a moral issue for me and I think it's more of a moral issue for other people.

We're just, you know.

I would say IT was different when, let's say, bush got elected. You know, you may not have agreed with his policies, but you didn't feel like he was a deeply flawed person, deeply flowed by character, deeply flowed in morality. I think people, humans, but you got to admit IT, they're very different figures. I mean, you know, you, along with milli and along with john Kelly, warned us about how deeply flawed he was as a candidate. And so I think when people feel that someone voted not only against their families, but against them and against people that they loved, I think it's OK to take a bus, came to a children .

and I appreciate the voters it's bad. What I do want to ask you both of your opinion on this. I mean, the banks giving coming up next week, we're going to talk about how to deal with your a obnoxious or who talk about politics.

Who is me? I am the not so uncle. So i'm going to begin guys like a some practical advice.

I had to manage IT, but you the view is obviously diversifying. I think they have to do their emerging. I'm assuming there's a viewership problem there.

When Megan was on IT was awesome and IT was like, was going that? What didn't they ready? They try this before the .

with they work meggan being on the show was like IT IT was that guys okay? They talked. That's when the views started being talked about constantly on every single news network. Someone had an opinion that's that's Carried on because they think they become such a good a good insight into the into what how the left is thinking about things and how they're positioning themselves. But clearly, IT failed.

And another is this question of, okay, well, how do we make up a Better, more compelling, more more honest show? So that's what you're doing just, you know, to cap your long piece their branding. But now I do you want to know what you think about that position, because I have been coming up again and again, and I see that all over threads as well. You know, what do you do with your brother, father, mother, who voted for trial? Do do you go over .

thankful ving still? Well, I mean, personally, I would never ever design anybody that I loved because of their political opinions, and I think it's shameful to suggest that. But I do think that as opposed to for be, this is actually A A real thing probably that people are willing to do because of how actually divided the country is.

So I I don't like IT at all. I hope that never happens to me or anybody in my orbit, because I think that's the worst thing that could ever happen as you lose a family member. But yeah, I, I, I Frankly, I I hate, I hate that.

I think it's it's a horrible trend end. I wish IT wasn't a thing. I don't know.

IT is interesting to me how this seems to be A A political advisors much more. And this trans sends, by the way, years and years about her who's in office. IT seems to be a left wing thing where you're more open to having people out of your life if they're too right way, where I don't think right wing people really do that as much. I think about my own family and like my mom and daughter, very like they're na roll their eyes at you for your stupid opinions and make fun of them uh both to your face and behind your back. But you're always going to be invited over for thanksgiving ing dinner.

I saw a clip um of a girl on tiktok and he was Younger, probably twenty years old, twenty one, twenty two and SHE was bowling with this was after the trump like immediately post election and he said something like she's boiling because she's like, i'm gonna lose my parents because they're voted for trump and because I.

Therefore, I will need to dissolve them kind of yeah and I was like, you were so close to understanding what's wrong with the left. You were so fucking close, you know and um I I think maybe he does get there though because like okay, you're you do your parents for a year. How long can you just own your parents for, right? If you have a Normal if you had like a relatively Normal relationship with them, you have to go back. And I think one thing you might realize, if you do your parents because of fucking and crazy cold told you too, is that you are in a cold. And maybe you should not, maybe you should leave that cold.

Maybe it's so important to bring the cold thing too, because this is literally how colds Operate. You from everyone that you love, make yourself in the only safe place for this person. Now, I want to see me, and maybe a little bit.

I, what? And this was something, say something. It's a moral thing for me. You know, how could this is different kind of president if you're voting for him that's telling me who you are and don't want people like that in my life.

Um you know are there and I guess that there are there are probably are political opinions. Certainly there are that if someone had them, I wouldn't want them in my life. No, you can get really, really handy and crazy. You know, it's push IT all the way to the most same things you can think of. And yeah, that would alter things. So are we really yeah are we really having a problem? I don't know that we're really having a problem with the concept of saying, you know sometimes as people's opinions are beyond the pen and they're th cutting out because of them, it's more like we disagree on the bounds of acceptable speech and an opinion and and there's is just like you know much narrowed .

yeah there's also there's an there's an element of like, I believe progressive life has been misinformed on a lot of things related to trump and what a republican LED government will look like for. For example, know the whole thing went around that women, we're gona have their rights taken away.

But IT wasn't totally clear what they were referred to at all given that trumpet repeatedly said that he is going to be against a federal abortion ban because he thinks states right tissue. And so um just to go back to what you are saying, I think yes is a highly moral decision. No, I always think about this.

And ic from the can burn's documentary, we had brothers fight each other in the civil war, right? So I understand that that can happen um but I think the issues are also people are very misinformed about some of the issues as well. And I think that's obviously problematic.

And creating some of us to one thing that would help that then being misinformed is actually having a dialogue and that's one thing you can't have if you're vanishing your family members over their political opinions. That's insane. And that's why, like I question the practicality of this, like if their goal is presumably getting rid of like political hostility in this country is separating yourself from your family. The way to go about that seems like you'll just like revert to your own echo chAmbers to go back to our social media conversation like this isn't even going to work.

It's all it's all part of the same family of ideas that adamites you. I I think um we were talking about the um the nearly what's the other nearly penny thing and how um on a few podcast ago and I was saying that like the fact that we have rejected like sort of traditional gender norms completely makes IT so that every person is for themselves and these social situations where you know like men might step up and protect women, I think that like these are all part of the progressive left family of ideas and all of them like lead to like rejection of family, rejection of community and and replacing IT with some sort of state ideology or something like that. Maybe maybe communism is what i'm looking for but I don't know which .

is theoretically ally. Interesting with that, that alternate IT doesn't even exist. It's an tract concept. So you have nothing.

Yeah you're like you're ordering what is that did you can see that post that was going around where IT was like for the next four years, we're going to hugged each other title. We are going to we're going to dress up and put glitter on when we border grab up like literally that's one of the lines and it's like that's what IT leads to your alone dressing .

up for fucking door dash society. You're dry .

and describe .

the drag not even very good. Uh, yeah I I don't know mean, I I have a guess that I I kind of see it's a tough one for me because I actually do see where they're coming from. In a sense.

I do see the idea thinking of largest. If you really believe this, then we don't have enough in common. But like I don't know, like me, my my sister could kill someone, and I would still want to see her at all the time.

I love her. She's my sister, so it's IT would be very, very, very hard. I don't know what he would have to believe for me to really even so maybe but I said really was wrong.

I think it's like that for me is love that for me is what a family is. IT just comes before everything else. And that's probably the problem that we're looking at. Maybe that's maybe that's maybe that's really the crux of the issue here is that we, I believe, rally you as well from what i'm getting from your perspective here, have a valuing of family that is above even country and and politics is like our families is the thing that comes first and that is not the case among leftists IT seems maybe maybe some democrats yes but but not the really hard cord left this IT seems that like there's A A placement of values on or a value placement that the Prices maybe um ideology and I don't know a vision for the world over over family means.

It's obvious the previous in the putting if you're talking about not seeing your family over this and that is clearly adjudged that you're making on values and and I do think that's IT for me. I think it's like the family for me comes first then country, but I don't think that they would even value country. I think it's more like ideology, which is so crazy.

It's so abstract. IT seems not possible unless you ve frame IT like religion and then IT starts to make more sense, because there are people who would place god over over. All of these things are most many people.

I would say people on the right probably place. There are people on the right. I think he would place, uh, who we place, got over family. And so maybe that's we're working on the left. This really is sort of like a faith construct here IT really is like .

a cold IT goes back to that theory that i've heard a lot of, like the consequences of the secular society. Is that void that people have for no religion gets filled with, you know, instagram and, you know, your social media like like left ism. You know, the vocation fills the void of religion that that a lot of people find in religion.

I think there's like this. This feels very milenio coded to me to I think you had a lot of kids growing up that. They were told they were special, and they wanted to be unique in some way. And I think that LED to adult, to have had to to Carry that illusion forward, they have to say that they're queer or that they are an ally of some sort. And I think that sort of sets the foundation for being like why I don't need my, I don't need my real family, need my queer family, right? And I I hope this isn't out to out there, but I actually think that there, that this is a, this feels like a millennial thing that happening because I don't think, have we seen are the rumors doing this rally like I don't I think the rumors are based and probably the generation previous to us, jane, certainly rumors don't have this this opinion.

I think Sunny is a general .

who is Sunny.

Sunny host to you what you talking about, I think but in general I agree with you. Yes, it's yeah me to find myself in terms of of these other things that are that are internal rather than, you know, actual facts of my reality like my mother and my father and and my sister brother well sad for them not for me because I will see my family for giving a don't even care if they are socialists in fact some of my family members are we just don't talk about politics um because I always win onto the segment.

And we are back to the greatest show on earth. It's piratical, but we're in the semi finalist now, so we're switching IT up. Welcome back to alan Carter.

First of all, just like murdering people in their path to school away to the front card IT coming through with like a special guest interview at the last moment, securing his spot. Um I we should do some quick rules for this moving for work because they were switching things up. We are to have for the next four weeks, two of you guys a week, you're just going to be a cohoes.

Each one of you is onna. Lead a story the way that rather your brand and dozer myself and we're going to talk about IT is if we're all on the show together because we are actually, in fact, all on the show together right now. Great sea guys, again, let's just Carry on with the show.

We've been talking about just the total, the privity, the growing insanity that we are seeing across the internet and media sphere in reaction to the doctrine presidents, which in fact feels weird, he feels crazier. And then IT was like the night after. Even a one of the big stories that's blowing up now that I really want to talk about is the exist, again, somehow are doing again. Moly, once you break IT down for us.

alright. So this is a fun topic. So interesting ly enough x is been facing a prety big exit since the um not too dramatic only one hundred and fifteen thousand users have left x um since then we've been a kind of like a shift towards blue sky and so blue guys reached a all time high on their user base theyve.

There are now at fifteen million users. They've doubled in the last ninety days. In the last week or so, they've actually increased by a million users. We've been seeing a lot of high profile individuals on x actually shifted over my cuban, he left and he deleted every tweet about kala um guardian uh made a bold statement and left uh there is actually some really interesting points on that or get to IT when we discuss IT don lemon left he stationed like an actual goodbye letter and signed IT in ink very weird and and so we're just seeing more and more by vacation between these social platforms um in terms of weather spreading out um it's a it's got ten kind of interesting and sona you actually eat every social media platform is now its own specific form of mental illness, showing the kind of direct personalities that congregate and the communities that come together on each of them. But it's kind of an interesting moment because x has been the dominant player. Elon went on and he was talking about how we're the media now and after the election um IT seems like most of the world and community in amErica is really continuing to double down on their um their own like social nature and and go into their different channels.

We've seen obviously since then took over twitter. You have had wave after wave of twitters that discourse followed by i'm leaving twitter, followed by we're doing blue sky now or we're doing, you know, threads now when threads came up, threads was actually won that I thought actually still do you think was the most significant threat to act IT kind of faded away? And then recently, I thought, no, there's still something there.

threats. I don't know why people are talking about blue sky IT feels like you just stop far in the your place in terms of just even threat is built really well and it's run by a massive, massive company with tons of people that is and that is pushing threads on your instagram feed every single day. Just IT makes sense that that's that's the threat but but it's where to see you back again.

You know after this this conversation you know back again and and people again seem to believe IT. I guess maybe i'm starting to believe IT too. You know, things do feel increasingly organized. It's unclear to me how much I mean, are some of the people that that that that left in in the dust up. It's like you think IT was like earlier you think was like, I was like.

mark cuban, marber left. Don lemon left the guardian.

Laugh the guardian. I mean, so let's talk about the guardian really quick. So there was a dude on ex.

Very helpful, fully in in responsible news. Just kind of in honor. I just read that man, in honor of the guaranteeing IT was leaving X.

I thought I was the right time to look back on some of their classic headlines. And so like this is what were what we're losing in the guardian um is IT OK for scientists to weave over climate change. The budget should be less much.

How about boys stop calling women girls. It's either patronizing or sexually suggestive. But harper cue is an american tradition dash of enslaved africans and native americans.

Um there's no reason debate walkley. It's already gentrify beyond good taste. My toddle is vegan.

What's the problem? Question more can began stomach beyond palatable truth about kenwood. These are real headline. There's okay. Wasn't I the one .

who said the guardian was a trash magazine like in the first piraeus les was I don't think .

people realize, but you think because the guardian and twenty years that, I mean, I have the guardian and coming having when I was in college, IT was like, this is one of the respectable newspapers you should be sourcing in pieces and things like this. But now it's just how gay is anal play really that's again, real headline. My here's my favorite, but here is my absolute favorite.

No, I created the ice's dildo flag at london pride to start a dialogue, not to get a laugh. IT just goes on and on and ARM. So there is like johann read hadn't posted in a while. I guess mark cuban is left.

SHE left. Join SHE worked.

I know he had posted IT for a while before he left. Mark cuban is another one where, well, not another one, mark. But I think actually gave a lot to the platform, gave us, you know, someone who was willing to get out there and and fight and what not.

But there's a question of you know doesn't really matter for x is that we're most of the energy is coming from I don't think it's coming from the guardian about our how stupid their headlines are and we can still screen shot their headlines and make fun of them on x. So it's not clear what missing from that. I do think the organization is real, however, and I I do think it's it's sort of like either those threads or blue sky take off or those people simply stop posting because they really don't want to post on x anymore.

Despite joy being terrible, I saw her video that SHE recorded. IT was a quick at all, friendly, kind of. Here's why I left. And I thought that IT IT was honestly understand. I got IT where he was coming from IT was just a SHE uses IT only SHE doesn't like elon, okay whatever that's her right.

SHE doesn't to support him also her right just want to contribute content that way I get IT but then SHE said, you know scrolling through IT to for news er whatever even while not posting SHE was costly. Inundated with just kind of sludge. And I think that that's definitely true. I mean, I think that there's a lot. So one of the reasons .

that blue skies become attractive for people is that you can create your algorithm there more customised, and so you can choose the topic so you want to get and get fed that information. I don't know how much of his true like I really haven't played with that too much, but that's one of the drawing factors and the point that it's like a middle ground.

I hear that it's like pretty complicated use, but if you're using IT, you know correctly, maybe it's more powerful. certain. Ly, I think that we should have control of our algorithms.

I don't the truth about x is I think that what elon did was important for the world. Genuinely, I think that you had to free up at least one platform to create something like free speech. However, the experience is it's like Better on speech, but degraded Normal every other way, including how I get my information about the world.

You know, I am logged on to the new times, uh, washington post judge report every single day. I'm taking those sites out now. I never used to and it's not because i'm looking for some kind of alternatives viewpoint.

I really don't care. It's it's because I need news. I'm actually looking for the news, and I can't find IT on x anymore. All I see is a view point, which is IT feels unique to me.

I don't know what do you guys what you guys make of your experience on x or the the volga ization of IT is is, is, is IT real or not? And uh, do you think it's good, bad? I mean.

one thing I noticed is after after at the election and obviously everyone saying like, oh, access right now, access right now and I don't think those true before, but not worried, is that what's gone to happen because right of the election, I got tons of evidence to the contrary, you know, everybody crying about what happened, everyone complaining the legitimate claims, they think ridiculous laim either way. Like, no, we're all here clearly. But so the thing that I paid entity is, is just like left influencers that are leaving because I think that would be fine, like we'll survive just less funny headlines. But if the actual left and base leaves x will be worse and I will actually become just a bunch of righting tracked.

So my first thought when they all announced they're leaving was this is like the million x departure like and somehow they all end up coming back to the platform that they claim hey um but I have recently been seen a lot more left leaning stuff on my x time line. And so I wonder if that sort of like elon in X, H, Q, sort of seeing the warning signs of, like all the liberal people are leaving, and they need to like pumping algorithm in the other direction. So people don't get the impression that x is sort of becoming a conservative echo chAmber because I agree, if IT does become that um then twitter and x does sort of lose a lot of its appeal.

We have to be honest about what's happening on the platform now. And IT is a bit of a right wing place now. I mean, elan is the most popular influences on the platform.

He I have a couple of all accounts that I don't use. I am interacting with tech stuff on those accounts. I don't even follow people on those accounts.

And I get, you know elon and political content delivered to me like at the top of every single feed every single time. Um and then you look at the trending topics, you look at the I generated topics and things like this. And he just for me IT seems pretty.

Clearly, I don't think it's been done on purpose. I think it's just spent by virtue of what's getting the most engagement before the election or through the election and then by a virtue of who are the most popular accounts on the platform. IT is started to lean right.

And I I know if that's like I know it's like existing on a platform that I totally disagree with because I lived on twitter during you know the mostly peaceful summer of twenty twenty and it's not pleasant. But also I didn't leave because I didn't have an alternative. Now there are these alternatives and so do people just want to be in their echo chAmbers.

And I think I think that human nature, um I didn't think IT was possible. I do you have to get hit critical mass for any of these platforms ers to work. I think it's an open question. I think we will see and I think I think that I don't know why we're talking about blue sky more than threads though I guess that's that's confusing to me.

Threads is hilarious. Um every time I check IT, I just get inundated with like the same topics over and over again. And okay let me open IT right now I get I get like like dating, like tips and like stuff and I don't even use this but like i'm a girl so I think I get fed this information so it's like, one is fluent with girls effortlessly a thread tired of small talk.

Lets go on a road trip like after two years of a manager like here's how I got a new boyfriend like it's just like all this random stuff and then, uh, well, you just popped up. So that's cool. mike.

What I say me.

you're responding to Harry potter.

Yeah, I people not good. What did I say? Yeah.

he was about .

jackie rolling involved in a new Harry part. There isn't a weight. Uh, the creator of Harry potter is also involved in a Harry potter T V show are .

going after they are like dinner like she's a anty transport cent and she's involved in this T V shows. I get no shitting SHE created her potter. But I will say in threats credit there, there's a lot of push back under every one of the danged posts.

Um here is one of my favorite recently now since trump uh when the election it's been not up four bees up which we were talking about a little bit earlier in the episode all of the sex protesting and things like this. And here's what i'm going to say next time I see a man. But this was while in line at costco, a man pushing a basket approach mine.

This is a woman saying this time he automatically expected me to look for him to pass. I looked in his eyes and waited. He stared blankly at me and nudged forward.

I stared, blanked my eyes and stood a little bit taller, waiting patiently for him to ask. He paused, obviously confused, and finally asked after a minute, staring. Could you excuse me keeping my eye contact? I smirked slowly, making space. Let's just say i'm severing the patriarchy one step at a time that had six hundred and thirty one likes way more now .

that morally.

How do you think about the patchy archy? And if you were costco and someone had a car, would you get of you get out of way?

I don't really think about that. I mean, i've worked in a male dominated industry my whole life. So you just kind of have to deal with mattocks y um and go that way. I think the whole online debate and kind of battle between the sexes is so dumb. Um I think if you're you're battling about that online, you clearly haven't had like like male relationships in a while or like once, that might be more equal.

I just I don't understand the whole radical radical zone between the sexes and like trying to prove a point about IT like just be a Normal person like I just don't understand why there has to be like you know a battle between people or like that men or evil or women or evil or everyone's evil. It's just a you know if if something bad happened, you guys would probably come together and like work on IT. But like you're subconsciously thinking that like every guys out to get you in costco, like what what .

might just like over thinking threads. Maybe also maybe I in my part of the problem.

I think like a lot of people like and went to threads because I felt safe to them and I felt like more pop culture. And IT was just, you know an easy place to hang, but you're you're just naturally with more influencers and that kind of thing. And IT is sharing um like like sharing how you're empowered and you're like taking over the world and all of the great things that you've done or like do uh is is more and like the self help category.

I guess that's like on on threads. I feel like I feel like twitter though is like very much so social. Uh hye archy because you're you're directly talking with and engaging with like really high profile people and it's really strange a strange environment to do that um threats.

So it's like very ramadi, like dramatis ze I want to say that um it's like a very, very dramatic culture um based off of influencers and popularity. And uh I think I don't know, I really don't go on IT. I think it's interesting from your perspective because I think you're probably the most online person that any of us probably know.

And so you have experienced at all. And then you started a media companies. So like you're really online all the time. And i'm curious from your perspectives ly given that um one like how do you manage like a healthy relationship with IT and to like like in your mind, like do you connect with with how people are thinking when they're posting on these platforms?

I know they're easy healthy relationship. I was talking about this with my friend um the other day. He was taxing me about the question of and is an important question of how many of the posters online are agents or assets of a foreign country trying to sort content and discord in in the country.

And I think it's a probably a small percentage over time has had a huge impact. And I I don't know if ever really know the full answer there. But but I got me thinking and reduce I got me to say so have been thinking for a while, which that is definitely a not negative.

I can't think of the net positive of the disruption of the media. And no, it's it's been good for me personally and good for our business, obviously, but probably not great for the world. I don't think that you can be really good twitter and also have a healthy relationship with that.

I think you have to be posting a lot to get a feel for how IT works and um for how to connect with people and and then it's sort of like the pallets and what of the rings know that gives you access to the world. You can see the world, but the world kind of comes into you as well and that's very, very dangerous. You you you are sort of ingesting these dark means all the time of the process very quickly and get out of there yeah and I know it's not not very good. And then were you asking in terms of what would like what are people are miss when they posted? What was that piece?

I guess, do you have like any sort of sense of the I tried to touch upon IT, but I do any sort of sense of the type of like a reason or like impetus for people to post on each like what is like the social satisfaction that they get out of IT like if they're putting on access is because of like superiority.

like intellect on x is x is like battle and friends and status. Um IT was like those things and they're all had related and threads feels very much like instagram, which is a posting a picture of yourself and wanting likes. It's the sort of intellectual version of that.

There is the question of what the folks are saying on Polly market. So IT is time for our Polly market segment. Thank you, Polly market for supporting parade eres and all the great work we do here.

Let's get into IT. This one is about social media. So following Donald trumps election is the forty seven of president. Public market now shows a twenty percent chance of truth, social and x merging, or of a truth third, social and x merger announcement before August twenty five.

Meanwhile, celebrities and org ization, like the guardi and enjoy read, have left export liberating platforms like blue sky threads as disgust and right up on their departure of the guardi and said, the U. S. Presidential election campaign served only to underline what we have considered for a long time that x is a toxic media platform, and its owner, elon must, has been able to use its influence to shape political discourse.

There's a twenty percent chance right now that acts and truth social. This is dollar trumps social thing. merge. And I guess I two thoughts.

The first was, why is this question being asked and why are people voting on it's because there's an intuitive sense that people have that these two things are related and the other's art. And then twenty percent is pretty high. And I thought law and trapper pretty close.

Maybe there is a chance wait him in IT like there is a chance, there is a chance in something this crazy could happen. And I think IT further it's sort of further points to this notion of values associated with places were reposed. Um people have wanted this for a long time.

They have not wanted to be together. And and I think the left really wants even more than the right. The right right kind of used to being in places where they're not wanted, the end being silent because of IT. The left is really not.

And so this is really, I think maybe we're even underestimate how disorienting this is for someone who is very, very far left wing to sort of lose cultural control of a place like twitter that says to them that that everything they thought about the world is wrong and they're going to a freak out and become crazy and crazy until this is taking care of. Um so I don't know I do think that the polar ization will. Ue, I won't thought that attacks only laus will continue. But now on the trump, I don't know that possible.

I me maybe maybe this is flipped, but I think now the trump is kind of has to post on next again and has to like a VS because his friends with us now. So I think you just like maybe is too lazy to post on both. I mean, that's why I use friends for all of forty hours.

It's like i'm not going to post text in two places is already waiting half my day. I only have another half of the day left. So I think maybe he's just like, look, if this emerged, I can just hit some ones and that would be the best things to do IT. Maybe maybe that sounds stupid, but I actually think they'll be the driving factor of just not needing true anymore.

Why would emerge even look like like they just take their users and they brought them all over the twitter I R.

On twitter. I assumed everybody on truth social was on twitter and just went to truth social because dollar truck is a platform from twitter.

No, I think it's a lot of people, at least that I know if they're on truth, not as a joke, like seriously on truth because they wanted be there is because they just like subscribing to the trump and news letter, right? Remember, trump wasn't onex. There is nowhere else to hear from them. If you were a big maga supporter, you want to hear from trumps, so you just got on truth. So if you get his speed, like get the newsletter, and I think you have been the same effect to to the readers.

you would definitely give a lot of credibility to true social to merge with, you know, something is establish as x but I think at the same time, like the opposite is true with x. Like if you're trying to beat the conservative echo chAmber allegations merging with true social, literally having millions of mega people on tier platform is not not helping.

So the guardian, like they said, the number one reason they laugh x was because of IT was because of far right conspiracy theories and racism in the toxic culture. Um I actually do like I have friends who have like members of the koko s clan, like coming after them in some capacity on act like I think probably one of the most powerful things that they could do instead of doubling down on trump is probably like now that they've reached a really good uh, number of users is actually like make a concerted effort to clean out. Okay, they clean out the box like actually make a concerted effort to clean out some of the racism and like racist people and that might actually draw people in to that to make you feel more safe rather than other things.

They're trying not to fall into the the pit that twitter was in before he like to go over, which was like, yes, we don't want White nationalists using ethnic slr on the platform and certainly not targeted harassment things like this. However, what is racism is the question and IT tends to be applied to things that we just don't like. And then you're becoming the arbiters of truth.

And inevitably that that picks up whole, whole political conversations. A really good one, for example, will be immigration. The immigration debate was stifle the online for years because IT was so closely tethered to the question of race. Because talking about in the kind of amErica at least, uh, you're talking about largely site or you were talking about largely not all of in the place, but we used to be largely south of american immigration. So actually you can have people bring racing to the conversation and now you can shut down the entire conversation on grounds that, you know, is a racist conversation.

You still see this in europe, actually, where people live a hard time discussing legally, have a hard time discussing immigration because of this, like like speech, legal speech, speech, word menses that prohibit you from attacking certain ethic minorities and things like this. This is a hard link to draw. yes.

Like I i've been the i've seen the arms of you know swap creatures as well and wish that they weren't there. I don't know if I feel comfortable being that person, you know choosing who stays and who goes. It's hard.

I mean, what do you do? This is this is the I think a lot of the the um the safety would be laughing in this conversation right now. They predicted this would happen. They predicted and I they would be right. I just think that it's still a Better world. But they they said, you know, you're going to get rid of the moderation and people are not going to want to be there because you're going to have as was ruining IT for everybody, we have to move on just a couple of days ago, down trumpet made an announcement, elon mosque in veck are heading up the department of government efficiency.

Cardiff taken away. Well, it's pretty simple. The only thing I to say about this is you believe they got two people .

to do the job of one that is warm .

and kind of D N C line on this making fun of IT, which I do think is hilarious so i'll give them on I don't know it's meant to be about this anyways um yeah and I think this is a pretty exciting one. I think government efficiency is something that everybody's excited about. You saw like the box founder here and leave, be like, okay, let's stock and go.

This is really excited after, you know, doing a year of kalo posting. I think even within my friend group, all the friends who are on the fans and the other way like this is the issue that I think any this person working person capital is excited about. Um of course, to temporary expections.

This was also trumps number one thing last time you know he called to drain the swam and he did not do that. So um i'm definitely cautiously optimistic here. Uh of course he has a cloud fact of this time he got the popular elector, uh send IT and how so he's got IT all so he has the things to do IT.

And this is what i'm telling all my friends like this is the one to watch. If he does IT, he'll go on is on the great age presence. And if not, okay, that will be as boring every other time.

It's it's pretty exciting. They're talking about six point factory dollars of annual spending that were at which is out of control. I mean, for reference like that is paramo expanding. And there is actually only one time ever we have slowed or stabilize spending, but we have never, ever, ever load IT, which is interesting and it's fun. Funny enough, the time that we did stabilize IT was actually um algis doing so.

Clinton um had this initiative with him called the national partnership for reinventing government, basically said we're basically they say, hey, we're going to make government work for you which echoes this statement where trump says are going to make the government accountable to weed the people in all caps. So different styles with the exact same message. And so basically what they did back then, I took him five years to do this.

They went too successful in lower ing programs. They only lower them by about four percent, but they did reduce the number of federal jobs by twelve percent. So that's from two point two million to around one point nine million.

And that is the only time since the thousand nine hundred and fifties that federal employee had count has been has gone down like not starkly IT or not starkly ly IT is the only time really gotten down. And so I think what's exciting there is that IT feels like this is definitely possible. I like that just table stakes, there's no way you want and they together not able to do the same reduction.

But I think the problem is, is they'd kind of set up the goal of this as you're racing thirty percent of that spending, but that has never been done in history. So while I do think they have one half of IT down, where there can be to master these, have count and stop the leading. I'm not so confident this bill enough, but this bill IT on his own and like this department on own, is going to actually able to reverse the trend in service.

Well, look, I think it's exciting. As you said, it's exciting. This is why it's exciting to me.

I know it's not just about i'm not this person anymore who really cares about government spending money I used to be when I was Younger and like way more inner for capitalists just bothered me on principle that money was being spent and no look care. I am actually happy for you to be spent. I wanted be spent on cool shit.

不， what really bothers me is when people get in the way of other people in the private sector creating cool shit and or important shit, or in the vital shit, a vital shit. So housing, for example, why are their regulators getting in the way something new housing, which we need a lot of, why are you getting the way of rocket loches of california? Ast, right?

Like, why are you getting the way of, if if you want to build, you know, you train railer something like this, like you we could then talk about regulations when IT comes to that is building. But labor regulations and things like this, neither or regulators, all of those people are the ones who I I really want done. And I says if what happens inside of the bureaucracy, as you have a lot of people who don't actually have a job and they're looking for something to do and they just get in the way.

And so it's not just the cost of them, but it's the opportunity costs. It's what can we do um that I guess it's you know what could be the opportunity talk cost? Would you know what could we have done with this money that would have been awesome.

But then they're like another opportunity cost, which is like what can we do because they're just in the way um I I think you be I think it's exciting to see. I also think it's probably the one real thing about projects twenty thousand twenty five. I think that was correct.

Trump really is interested in in reducing the power of the bureaucratic state. And I think that's actually what these people are really, really upset about. Um I think that actually he's over the target there.

And and that's the real that's the real be that we got to get up. I think it's I think it's cool. I think you I can definitely do IT.

I mean, we just saw we are with twitter. What is twitter? Twenty percent of what IT was before he started that is breaking through twitter search has never been the same. So maybe have to break a few eggs to make .

an so I guess i'm just confused about like what their jurisdiction is like. It's not an official department of the government, right? It's like A A partnership IT sounds like.

So I guess i'm just confused like what what like say they actually have things. And I do think they also kind of run the risk of like making too many big promises that they can't deliver on. We posted a video um on social kind of recently of viv c talking about his like dream scenario of getting rid of government employees.

And he's like if you have an odd number on your social security number or something like you're gone and it's a yes, I would be great. I would love that. Um but when those are the promises you make, like you really do run the risk of, like can you deliver the results to match that? So i'm a little bit word about .

that and they just get trump that can get rid the department of education that is you know fraction of the government workers, but still really, really interesting. And they they have a lot of there's spent a lot of money. I wonder how many things like that are going to happen.

I also just wonder if that's gonna a happy that seems we're still Operating in this. At least I am i'm Operating this room of I don't think that's possible. I'm Operating in the rum of you know, that sounds cool, but I don't think you're going na do IT.

I don't think you're gonna d the wall. I don't think you're going to produce the government by fifty percent or something. I don't think you're going to buy Greenland.

I am interested in all of these newsletters. I am subscribing and I am waiting for you now to write a piece that I, that I am recorded about. IT will be crazy if he's able to do this again. I think if anyone's able to do IT, it's it's gonna elon. I don't know how if they got there though, how do and do you think elan was happy about that, that it's like it's of a veck and on show.

I mean, I think that like like really mention he has been talking about this. That's kind like a lot of win people's feeder dreams of a mind to to be honest, vehicles there and like at at man and respire a bunch people. And he said he'll do IT arbitrary.

So I think he has been a desire of his, and he's pretty close to trump. I do think IT is weird though, to be honest, that IT is two people. Maybe IT will be a real department and the vehicle IT up because like ilan will have to dive businesses to be in a real department government. So may, that's why the big is involved. But you can be .

sure I hope IT doesn't lead us into our session. I guess you got twenty fifteen, which is like a long time ago. So the most recent dad I could find just on this podcast is ten million about government government police that includes like contractors um I don't know if you reduce step by thirty percent, you're talking about three or four three to four million people at this point without a job seems like problematic right? Um so I don't know like I I think there's also interesting economic whether they have to deal with right now, which is um I don't think inflation is beat.

I think we're still an environment of relatively high interest rates compared to um is are obviously um and so I think it's going to be they're gona have to be really smart about how they baLance essentially cutting government spending, which is a big portion number GDP um interest rates and and like you know making sure that by year four when they come up for reelection that you know like the economy is humming still or aren't people out of work because of um all the all the because of the doge's cuts. You know seems pretty complicated, highly theoretical right now and i'm curious about how IT all ends up, you know actually looking practically. And if you want to create massive like you know, people a lot of people being upset about the economy being good as a result.

I do want them to create some sort of like public leaderboard or like auditing system of like what have we done this week and like break IT down of how they plan to do IT and if they do IT and like the percentage of what has been done um because I do think that there are obviously very sensitive implications for changing any of the numbers on these. I mean, we don't know what any of that would look like.

Um I don't think anything I will actually change for a while. Like most of you, I think this would take a long time and I like you can just really walk in. Maybe you can with the kitchen sink and just fire people. But I I think for a sensitive government.

I think you do IT by targeting departments rather than people like you get rid of the department of education. That's the part where to do IT. You don't need IT.

We've never needed IT. We didn't need IT before. G. B. Carter created IT. You didn't have start until what I and eighty was. I want IT.

I think he was formed in one thousand nine hundred and seventy nine and one nine hundred and eighty when I started choosing and like you dialed, be amErica did everything good before that truly like everything amazing that you considered to be amErica happened before the department of education. So we just know that we don't need IT goodbye cut. I had someone attacked me to this day is like this and said they do nothing, but actually they give us all these piles.

Ms, okay, like, we don't need that. Sorry, I don't know to tell you. Like one, that's not what people think of when they think of the department education.

They think that department of education is responsible for, for a primary education to think the only thing that people really consider to be you know uh a really important um institution that we maintain. No one's talking about fucking pilger, ms or cares. And also like if the pilots are just proportionally being given to minorities and things like that, is that even still legal?

I don't think that IT is so, but that's you know, another conversation. But I I think it'll be departments. And I also think, Brandon, I want to push back a little bit.

Well, not maybe I push back. I think he might be right. That's a justifiable that's a good n it's a it's reasonable concern.

I think the recession thing, but it's it's a fucked up question of like do we have to keep paying a bunch of people who don't do anything for for their fake job that they also get a pension for you know like I don't pension like who who has a no one in the private sector as a pension um why do we have to keep paying you to do nothing just to to fend off a recession that you should go and you should do something valuable for the world um and if and if you can do that, you should certainly be in my way, you should certainly not be able to to create burek rac red tape and prevent me from doing things. There are obvious things that I want the government to spend money on too, like I really want, I wish, because rework everything. I mean, all of those people work in the department of education.

You just get axes and hammers, and we can start putting them on new rail lines and new giant bridges and like new giant monuments, like maybe we just, we do, we just, we just like keep, we keep them in labor somehow. But we forced them to do cool things. We forced them .

to do cool things.

I think I support cool things. I think this sphere has created more economic opportunity and bigger than anything else like I. We need to be .

more of that. The more imagine if okay. So we're .

not we're going to reduce spending, but here's what we're going to do. We're going to take everybody in a dumb your creative job that achieves nothing and produces nothing, and we're just going to make them gardeners and you're going to go and beautify our cities and our fields and you're going to planning orchard and things everyday. And like amErica will. Never have been so beautiful and you will not be in my way when i'm trying to build a company.

IT would be cool if like the their first task was to reinvent the thunder line like I really want to see the tender line like as a new like berkeley, that would .

be great IT IT would be great. And that any hard time picturing, and maybe on two jed, by same to scope politics. But I mean now yeah I mean, now be the great test outcome of all time.

They're going to be gardeners or police officers and you just have to pick one and that's IT. And we flood the country with.

I would not trust a bureaucrat police officer, sorry, I did not want them guarding the streets.

IT will have to be department wide. I mean, not to give you too much history, but like the last time we cut these jobs when they shot back up again, the current levels, at least at third, those jobs in the T. S.

A. And I obviously the guns checked reaction makes sense. I mean, we could already with that like afterwards and having them around like, you know, this seems useless. Like can you get a water something and color the day and you could drink IT by.

like ninety percent. So I agree with you that IT seemed reasonable at the time. I was very is a the time.

I mean, I remember thinking we did not have the T. S. A for the entire twenty the century.

There's not a Better way to do this without creating an entire new bureaucratic appris that's gonna harassing my grandma with the naked body scanner. I can tries to go into the airport. That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

I never I would be able hostile actually at the time, as I was a very libertarian an of the time. Um but yeah a big problem with A D S. A.

Yeah I guess I know you know not a technical level like an emotional level like the excuse was justified, I guess is more I meet well.

that's the one that I would put in my cross hairs. We have a lot more to go. guys.

I would love you to comment in the in the comments with what department you would like to see cut, which bureaucrats specially have a name dropping there? Let me know who you want fired in the government. I am waiting with beta breath.

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