Trump/Kamala Debate, WTF Is Going On With Cats In Ohio & PIRATE IDOL Week #4
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They're eating the dog, the people that came in. They're eating the cat. They're eating the of the people that live there right away. While I was watching the story, I thought, but the means were were lidless.

They will get to the bottom. This, i'm so convinced people really, really love cats and something happening or cat like the internet will .

solve IT like sixty seven million people tuned into watch. But overall, a lot of the takeaway I saw were people say com lm maybe did Better than expected.

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documentary Operate now of the Donald trump. IT has over a million views and people are watching crazy. I made, I made a document like, an hour long about trump, ed, the full history of his career and life.

And then same thing with biden. And then biden drop out. So no one is watching the one. And now I have to, like, scramble. So maybe doing one about the Harris campaign, which I think would be interesting .

because not that I mean, people actually know her full, would be interesting. I would like to start with sanford c. Local, local politics.

Yeah, yeah. no. I think where he was in everything, yeah, all the way through.

Well, we have a pack show today coming up. We have uh, a few things. So we got a pocket PS. Obviously, we are going to talk about the haien cat situation and what would be responsible adults about IT that actually will be shared and opinions will be stated.

Um we are going to talk about the debate slope and and we've got a great polio market segment coming up in which we're going to do. I think it's tired. I don't like to do typically do um a or horse race type thing.

But a they're been a lot of changes in the coming lovers, trump pulling in markets that have been interesting to me. I I do want to do a recap right now, especially after the debate that gives a good time to do so. First up, let's talk about cats.

So so let's see where do we even begin this this first this cursed story IT is the most curse discourse. okay. So sprinkle ohio has been uh, a growing story, a percuss atan sort of bubbling story for about a year now.

Um over the last couple of months, it's been i've been noted that I noticed at a couple of months to ago for the first time and that's when I first heard the quite shocking figure that a town of less than sixty thousand people spring filled ohio had received around uh twenty thousand migrants so that is a shocking change to the city and I had a lot of questions. They were not really being passed by the mainstream media. I will say if the times credit they have covered this, they covered IT about a year ago.

I believe I have to go double check um but i'm pretty about a year ago with the first time they covered IT correctly as this interesting flash point in the immigration discussion in america, they responded they preferred to the a haien immigration to the city as the the revitalization of spring fields. Locals have mixed of a mixed opinion on whether or not the town has been revitalized. Certainly, the tax figures have gone a more taxes being collected.

That's always an interesting way, I think, to um ferl leftist to analyze how our town is doing is just how much moneys being made. I don't know about that myself, but none of that really matters, because what matters is the cat meets. Now the background is this town is incredibly important in the immigration debate.

IT was really a powder cake. We've been seeing sort of pieces of this story for a while. I was only a matter of time before a picture of a man Carrying a goose that he gotten in the park went viral, uh, alongside a facebook post in which a woman claimed that a neighbor, or had our cat stolen and eaten by a haien migrant.

Now, right away, while I was washing the story, I thought, O, I duggin a double click. I saw that the entire story was coming from a facebook post. And I thought, you endanger, what is that would be? golden? Er, Cliff, I human danger girl, like you in danger girl.

I was like, no, no, don't you don't want to get to involved in this discourse because we have no idea what's actually happening out there. I'm not from spring fields, don't know much about the haien migrant influx other than it's happening, and no one wanted talk about IT on the left until today. But the memes were were lidless map. Pull up the memes.

We have seen really um I mean, just a really interesting news, I would say, of ChatGPT. Um it's interesting. I don't we're not seeing a lot of fake ness with ChatGPT.

What we are seeing is the rapid munificent of news and uh it's become an integral part of the political discourse. Are these quick pictures in many different context? But the cabin was really special. Obviously what immediately happens is a trump is framed as the man who saving the cats and the ducklings, the kittens and the duckings from the angry uh sort terrifying foreign ord um IT is all obviously I think we just have to be honest here. There is a crazy kind of impossible to miss racist undertone to this.

If if if no cats were if no cats were eaten and you were telling the story of um haien immigrants eating cats, I don't know how to read that in any way other than you're trying to mislead in a way that trigger are discussed impulse and use IT to generalize on an entire group. However, um I don't think that is important as the immigration crisis that we're not talking about. I do not think that's important.

That's as important as the fact that a town of sixty thousand received twenty thousand migrants. There are lines out the door of people um at the government services center receiving welfare and food stamps. Okay, there's a housing crisis in springfield.

There's a housing crisis across the country. And then um in the new timepiece on the revitalization of spring, they're talking about no americans want of these jobs. No americans could afford to take these jobs.

That's the only americans don't have an aversion to working working class americans. It's like they have to pay rent. The rent is incredibly high.

And if the wages are low, the only people willing to do that, our new migrants to the country, usually illegal migrants willing to to basically live, tend to a house in a way that way Better than hate. And so here they come, whatever it's a job and will just pack ourselves in and will take the the low wages. And that's that nice and lic bird standers.

But that where the left used to sound and suddenly they don't care about things like the working class. I do think that's what's happening. Um I think that uh it's worth noting that the town denies any cats were ever eaten um or they ever heard about that.

The police department I believe that was a police officer just today I was reading um the police are there actually have been quite a few reports of keese being eaten in the park or killed in the park and taking home to be eaten but they didn't believe that was really true. Seem racist um and unfortunate that anyone would suggest such a thing. I mean we have pictures.

I don't my honest sense is I don't think the cat thing happened. Chris roof hoo, put out a bony. If you have evidence that a cats has been eaten, you can give IT to him and you will get five thousand dollars.

But I do think a few geese have gotten walked in the state of ohio, at least a few um the high level thing here is just there's an immigration crisis. IT does matter. We do have to talk about IT now because of this mean we are it's complicated. It's fraught. Very guy standing on have you .

seen with cats the documentary? I think it's on netflix. No, the most insane document. Aries, basically there's a some video that someone puts up of this person.

They're like torturing this cat and basically like the cat community online goes insane and is tracing like, oh, this power outlet means that you must be in this city and they go like total, you know, the guy who can like jail just off of like, oh, I see the background. I know that this is this city in this country. Like the cat community will discover if this is real or not, they will get to the bottle.

This i'm so convinced that that like people really, really love cats. And if something something happening with cat like the internet will solve IT. And the fact that there hasn't been any evidence that being that come up, maybe we just need to give a time, but i'm very skeptical. And then I was a dog. I think if you if you kill my dog, like i'm going john and so and so if if a dog was killed and we don't see evidence of someone going john wick mode, i'm skeptical the dog was killed yeah.

I agree with that. I think it's I wanted to add also into the rk cap everyone shared. So I also dry the thing to between starting the lie, if IT was a lie, and sharing the cat means, which I think on some level are just objectively funny.

The problem is is maybe what they do to a group of people, which I think is pretty gross if it's not true. Um and um we have in this a whole long as it's like don junior obviously here I mosque truck himself uh will ted cruise. There were two different republican congressmen that I saw online jd events on twitter.

None's shared the memes and jokes about IT and he actually said that he's been receiving calls of pats being um eaten in a ao for a long time. I mean he straight up, I mean, he just was like, no, no word driving this ship forward in dollar truck. Of course, this is the important last important point here.

He brought IT up in the debate, which we're going to talk about longer a little bit later with just, I mean, what is objectively an icic. IT is now an instantly iconic line play. Please play the clip in springfield.

They're eating the dogs, the people that came in. They're eating the cats. They're eating.

They're eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what's happening in our country and its a shame. And that is that, john.

you what isn't crazy? How much of our political discourse has been driven by people eating different animals like the coveted thing .

was all like bats.

And in the art of k thing, he was going to eat a barrier, as is something that .

he got where to get.

got the world from the park.

No, I mean, he said he, there was a road kill that was a bear and he dumped in the park. But I think that there was a quote of him being like, I thought I could maybe eat IT .

and I picked up the bar and put him in the back, my van, because I was going to skin the bear, and I was very good condition, and I was just and put them me, my refrigerant. You can do that. And you are to say you can get a bear time for road kill bear IT .

may have a brain and warm.

There's something about like you we're having a big cultural discussion ever like, what can and can you eats? Like and years before, I was like the shark fin soup doing a lot of IT was conservation based. But now it's devolved into just like what is weird .

to eat or not what I that eating someone's .

pet is not only it's like .

hard and then the best thing I think legal if again in if IT is and I don't have any evidence personally that any cats have been harmed in the making of these means.

I understand the guys sing a little bit more, at least like, look kind of delicious.

Yes, I agree. I have thought about the geese.

And e because of hate.

I have thought about hitting geese.

I an i've had duck like .

canadian specifically in the part which I canada migratory bird thing. And it's also just weird. Eat animals in a park like there is like hunting. But that's maybe ox. That's our culture where it's like this very I mean.

you think they just like you think these immigration just like listen to too much your rogan and they were like, we got to get out there in deco o hungry like the return name.

Well, we're returning to something. I don't know if we want to go all the way back. I mean, we want to go maybe some things we want to turn back. You want to turn back to the hunter gather era. I don't know ready.

That's what people were talking about.

So on top of this um that the pet eating here there is this instance of an love in year old boy dying um which people people online were saying that you know he was murdered um by a haien immigrant uh the actual story is that haien immigrant um got into a car accident with the school bus uh and is still tied the reality um I mean he to get charged with in voluntary manslaughter but they are asking for two thousand million dollars and for highway patrol to come help local police because none of these people really understand american driving laws and they are getting into accidents and things are less safe and they need reinforcement for IT I have a question about that.

How are you getting your license if you don't understand american? Are you do are you do even have a license? Like why is there are separate rules for people who game over from a different from a different country? You do have to fall.

And again, I actually i've looked this a bit and and most of the people in spring field are just there to work, right? Like you have a lot of people in factory jobs, they are working. But you have when you in, when you in in sort of move in twenty thousand people from a different country that is war torn and fuck, and culturally, not anything like what we want to be in america.

IT is nothing like we are in amErica and nothing we want to be in america. You have to expect that there there are going to be extreme differences, and there is going to be certainly a minority, probably a large minority, that's just not driving and not sitting in. And they should have to fit in.

You should have to become like america. And one of those things is like learn how to drive. This is not just what we're saying.

Also these are this is we have reports of this that have predated the cap, the great cp imithation of the election of twenty twenty four. You have nonstop videos being released from a locals in spring field talking about this. And I would finally and it's not I don't believe it's it's not so I said racism earlier.

It's it's more like it's cultural ism. You have black americans in springfield, right? They are not patients. There is no similarity in culture between patients and black americans and um and you have any of black americans living in springfield who are pissed about this one of them going wild viral because he was talking about the duck thing um which one of the congressmen quoted um yeah so I I think it's a little bit just more complicated obviously .

for me a hundred hundred IT is just like such a complicated thing. And so I feel like we having haven't like had this discussion of like like when there's a crisis nearby, there is going to be migrant flows. Like how do those.

Cascine through? Like how do we decide that one hundred thousands the right number to take in and then twenty thousand went to a single city? Like, is that the right thing?

I can kind of make sense to cluster people around their friends and families, but then maybe taking a more diverse approach and spreading people out over the country and ingratiating people in smaller numbers might be Better. And and then also just the question of like, should we have done more to prevent the instability and hate like they had this massive earthquake? E seven point seven, on the rector scale in twenty ten killed a quarter million people.

A million people became homeless. Like we saw that happened. I was on the news. We could have predicted that this was going to be more chaos politically.

Then there was another earthquake, and I think twenty twenty one, that was super destabilizing, less people died. But I was still really bad. Then the president got assassinated.

which is insane. Hate is always stocked. Hate is sucked in the gentiles de of the french. It's always been a bad place to be.

yeah. But the question is, like, like what is there is going to be a negative externality to that chaos? What is our role in preventing that negative externality? Like like right now there's A U N plan to send kenyan militant like militant yan military or police force into the country to like fight the gangs and like basically do regime change to turn IT from an an artic like gangs state into something that more resembles I didn't.

why is kenya volt who ask kenya, who called in the amErica .

is paying for IT, but I think amErica .

t we call kenya like you you want in it's years in the bus ticket like go on like the U.

N called us and we're like, hey, do you want to pay for this and and can ya do you want to like go handle this and can you was like, yeah, we will go handle IT in amErica who was like.

yeah, i'll pay for IT that's so a strong. Can have we all in such a way?

No, no. But IT is interesting and it's like, should we have done that earlier? Is this the right model to like if you have an an arch state on your border, if canada, like take the race thing out of entirely, if canada was like, you know, Justin trudeau, get assassinated and there's just like absolute chaos, like gangs are running the country now it's like there's gonna be a lot of flows.

There's going na be a lot of chaos. There's going to a lot of like weapons dealing, like right now, there's like a massive flow of of guns from miami to to hate. You can buy a gun at a gun show for five in her box in these states, send IT to hate and sell IT for like ten thousand dollars because that's like what the gangs are willing to pay.

So there's like this huge economic arbitrage opportunity, tons of tones of like little minor crimes going on all over the place because it's just like what torn essentially. And the question is like like they have conomo. It's a different country.

Like does at what point do we just say no amErica is going in and stabilizing this? Like we only will respect you if you have elections regularly or something that like like when do we do regime change? AmErica has been very burnt by the middle ast, but the middle east, all that chaos like we pulled out like IT, didn't really flow to our border because is .

very far away. Yeah agree. I think that it's gotta be a part of the strategy is just keeping these places for the setting and is just hard. Take out amErica for example. I mean, this is a whole continent that seems to love communist revolutions and it's not it's just culturally different and um it's different enough and they've been taught and not like you've seen the evidence of what communism brings to your country enough at this point that at some point it's like, okay, well, it's if you just kind of keep doing IT, I don't I don't know how you fix that really .

yeah the are isn't there?

I they just don't want IT. It's like I don't again, I think it's weet where in this weird place where we kind of have to acknowledge were told that you know in the context of immigration, all cultures are both different and don't exist, right? They're different because they're specially great and differences are amazing, but they don't exist because integration is even a problem.

We're all the same fundamentally. And that one of these things is not true, obviously. And I think the one that's not true is that we're not different. I think cultures are obviously different.

You see this with the way that obviously ans have had a much easier time integrating south american immigration, the european and have had with islamic immigration that you have a difference. Our religion is the same or similar. Our language is similar. Um there are our history is similar.

There are things that make IT easier to integrate and um and in the question of hate, it's like when you move twenty thousand hates to a town of less than sixty thousand, does that does that town become more like hate? And I think IT has to right now because there hasn't been integration, IT has to become more like, hey, because how do you become not haien when you just came from there? You've raised there.

That's your culture. And so there is a slow process of integration that has always happened in amErica with immigration. And I don't know where we're forced to sort of pretend that that doesn't that that's not a reality .

of of something is very, very weird, like kind of like dummy aspect to IT where like obviously like the crisis in haiti is like massive tragedy and and it's very rational. Like if your hometown in amErica was just like, oh yeah, they just assassinated the government.

They're like, you're out people people say this like, oh, of trumpets elected I moving to canada, right? Like this is an american thing and if and of course they don't actually do IT. But if if, like, you know, bigg got assassinated, then trump got in, he got assassinated, and then all of a sudden there were just gangs everywhere in america.

And like, IT was just complete OS. People really would leave. They really would.

But the question is, like, should you want to go back at some point because IT doesn't feel like at any part of this conversation is like, okay, yes, like, like we're being a sAnitary city. We are saving people from, you know, the object, poverty and violence. But long term, we'd love to make a hate.

great. Again, there's that plan. But what and what is that is that is IT boots on the ground is that the kenyan military is is just a bunch of aid, is a rebuilding roads? Like is halberda going to be involved somehow? I don't know.

But like IT seems like that should be the goal. Not just okay, let's just like absorb all the haien population and then we just have this like empty country that just like run by gangs like that. Doesn't that things like seems like a under utilized resource.

like the prison there? What have we just turn? I I would be willing to talk I I be willing to entertain hate as like the new australia. Actually, we just spend .

them well, did you know that the dominican republic is building a wall?

They Better. I mean.

it's a see and .

I bet it's not controversial. I don't think it's bicton who's like, know you Better not we have to let the we have to let the gang fords in.

I onder. I wonder how that like discussion will play out. I wonder if I will turn into something like, oh like the dimick ans are you know being really bad? They're like subjecting .

this population no.

of course, luxury believes .

yeah yeah when you're staring down the barrel of the gun, you you're not having these conversations. I do you research this one? Um I want to give you a chance to tell what you learned I mean.

we covered everything in the in the past fifteen minutes. I was gone to talk about the car crashes to you. I thought that was an interesting and under part of the story.

but there are a lot that they're .

actually happening yeah I mean, so they I was looking through it's very difficult actually to research what the truth is right now online because the reaction is so vicious and aggressive from the msm. If you just search for hatin springfield, you'll mostly get fact checks about trump, and you never really get too much ground truth.

But I did find on a local news site um they went interview people from spring field and one of them said, um the haien communities here, they are going to be here. They're gna start businesses here. But we do have a issue with we do have an issue with the driving.

So this has been seems like it's been a problem for a while. And um just a short up your points. Eat the a the guy that killed that kid who crashed into a school bus. He did not have a driver's license, but he had won from mexico for some reason, so I don't know if he immigrated here.

Yeah, I not worry about that. Next problem.

it'll be A A problem 版本。

They want to cash anymore.

John, a interesting. What should we be allowing people to move from one, from one place in droves to this like a single location, like .

simulation .

requires social pressure. And once you hit velocity, yeah just like group of or you you have enough momentum with this group of people. Disassemble tion really occur in the way we needed to. Like, certainly not in dear, boring.

right? Yeah like like every year there's like exchange students. They come like we had a german students and that came to our are you know high school, but it's like one per color per high school class.

It's not like send all the german students to one high school and and just like overwhelmed, like it's very defuse across the population and everyone gets a little bit of you know a taste of the foreign change students and the foregone exchange students get to see all sorts of parts of amErica and it's very like blended across the entire country. But I don't I really wanted know more about like about like, you know, is there some? Is there a borders are right now? Like, we know that it's not alright, but never has been SHE.

Is there a father you like? But that jokes decide? Like, is there a person who the president o or like how should we steer this? Should we create a little economic incentive for them to go all to one? Is there a place that needs them? Is is there a city that raise ed their hands?

Like china invades taiwan? There is gonna be a hundred thousand taiwanese that want to come to america, and we're gonna the T, S, M. C.

Folks to come here. And there are a lots of cities that are like, no, no, no, please come here. Like, we want to manufacture the chips. Like, bring all of them to this city. I want this in my like, there will be economic incentives to .

bring those time. The patients are not building ships and it's a slightly different conversation. I think it's worth asking those questions though. What are we getting as a society and there are just differences between different immigrant groups in taiwan is a great example, I agree, like it's a very obvious win for amErica and this feels more like charity that comes with a lot of at this point. It's like very confusing to talk about because it's not I don't I mean, there's like cat diving.

The interesting thing about the casting meme is this um no one was talking about this until the cat mean the meme of patients eating cats and IT isn't mean now and it's now being um IT somehow both makes the problem visible. For the first time, right there was a lot of effort by the media to suppress the story of springfield completely. The fact that this happened um so IT makes IT impossible to ignore that you see IT or impossible not to see it's visible but at the same time yours you from really grappling with that are silences is you from talking about IT IT both like I like unbinds you but mute you and that's where we are now where because it's so fraught you can ask questions like for example, about the faith of patients at once to go there.

Christian, okay. Well, I am reading a lot about voot right now and now i'm reading IT from the neck times, which wrote about the high incidence of voodoo in that community. Like what goes into video? What is that? They have a whole long article from twenty ten that I stumbled upon this morning sort of arguing for the softer side of woo, like miss obscure voodoo, source of comfort and hate is the title of this piece.

By the way, please go coolly if you want the skill. Man, for more voodoo in america, which i'm a spook, ky. Guy, love new orleans. Maybe that's a net benefit for amErica to be doubling more insane worship. And I don't know the sacrifice.

They are just returning to tradition.

They are going back, going here.

But thing we we need to go back. We need to go back in the all the sun. Some people show up and they want to go back. And all the people.

I but here I do think this is, I just want to predict the next media cycle. The way this is gonna. The blue thing is going to come up.

You heard to hear folks wood going to enter wooters about to enter the chat and probable possibly via the cat sacrifice itself but maybe some other context but the religion of hate will be questioned um and you are going to see an avante of pieces arguing about the um sort of inherent racism of questioning the faith of the faith of voodoo which will be reformed to at hawk immediately. You're going to have video scholars on m sbc. You're going to have persecuted video experts saying, like boot is a religion of peace.

Um btu is a related is really just a another version of Christian and I think that is related to Christianity. There is like it's like Christians are practicing good to hate a hat ents are generally Christian. Um but I think that's what's coming next.

And that's just why I know we can't talk where we are sort of being capable of having a real nuisance conversation like, uh, we need to have on the question of actually, I don't know what our patients like and do you want a lot more actions in the country? Me, how many is too many? Is there are too many is if if IT was possible to have not just not just twenty thousand, but a third of the country behaving um how would the country change? Questions like that, I think are valid.

And in fact the country always changes with immigration is the other thing we say immigration is our strength. The country has changed dramatically over immigration. We always talk about that.

We talk about um obviously jewish immigration during worth or two. We talk about scientific innovation and what that is for us. Uh we talk about the a early immigration of the german obviously in the wall, but we talk about the catholic migration all throughout the twenty century.

We talk about that and it's I don't think that there's ever just say that I don't even good or bad. I think that things just change. And um probably there yeah this .

is time accounts point. Like if you're going to make an argument about immigration, like you Better give me a cost benefit analysis. I don't want to just hear some emotional like oh, I don't like this type of personal like that have personally.

No, it's actually talking about like what's the benefit? Like what's what's unemployment like right now? What is unemployment in certain sectors like clear leaders, very, very low floyer in chip fabrication.

And so everyone's on board with bringing on chip fabricators into the country, right? And and so like but but again, IT goes back to like who is the borders? Are who is the one that's doing the cost benefit analysis on this stuff because like sure, they might come up with a different analysis than what anyone else might. But at least like I at least want to know that someone did the analysis and we're going to like understand what that analysis was and then we can evaluate and learn from that decision instead of just like, oh, this just happened because no one was paying attention and no one cares.

I also think though that that the emotional reaction to just having your town change at all, you could have taken twenty thousand people from any other country in the world, and no one there would have been happy with that because you're if you take IT, doesn't matter what the culture is.

We all know that.

like, it's total possible. One hundred percent do know that is suddenly, overnight, a town of less than sixty thousand had twenty thousand people from another .

country in their town. Person.

if they voted for IT, if result, the vote. And we do that, we can conversation about this. Okay.

but, but theoretically, ally, I think that an american town should be able to vote for that, should be able to say, you know what, there's a great system and and we want to do this and this is and this is we are democratically choosing to do this.

What's everything's being seen to the lens of like who is the most in need or hurt? It's like sleeve morality, right? Um so it's not here to these people like share my values, I want them in charge. It's you know I .

like .

were bad. I think you did. They are good.

Well, it's not just very anti hate the country, you know it's like it's like we amErica you will do everything to bring the the population here, but nothing.

not the population. I mean, i'm assuming the very best and brightest of baby, i'm assuming it's like the people who don't want to be living you certainly the most industrious warta n hell hole. And they somehow are able to get off of an island and get here. So that is, in my opinion, good.

That's something you have some hurdles in place that have proven that we are getting you know some creative but I hate is losing them and as the population dwindles and all you have laugh the worst scarious people there um I know that's a what a scary place to be and i've let them out there and I don't want to ever be there. Let's talk about the debate rightly. Why did you break down?

I mean, I guess all to say, I mean, we we been waiting for a while for this. Didn't think I was going to happen. Uh, there was a question about miking. Obviously biden wanted the mikes to be cut if trump tried to interrupt. What happened was trump flourished under that system camera then try to reverse IT and go back to the, uh, previous sort of situation in which you could interrupt that didn't happen to think what he wanted. He did get a couple of uh, fact checking moderators who clearly were in the back for her and we had a debate had we had ourselves of fight.

what do you think? yes. So after much debate, like you alluded to about the rules of the debate, trump and calmly finally squared off where I I think IT was like sixty seven million people tuned into watch, which I guess was significantly higher h than the previous trump in debate.

I D taken the daily like you mentioned, talking about comments, push for the hot mikes a to be on at all times that trump could in erruptive SHE could drop that i'm speaking line and IT would be like a nice like yeast queen moment um as I would turn out trump would end up on being the girl boss though because uh on at least one occasion he responded to a comment interaction with like i'm talking now he even at one point hitter was like of the quiet which he famously did a jet back in twenty sixteen. But as for other highlights, you of course had trump the offer mentioned spring fuel patients pet story where he said, quote, they're eating the dogs. They are eating the cats. They're eating the pets of the people who live. There are a lot like you said, was mentioned about the moderator sort of doing those like life that checks during the debate um which a different trump on more than one occasion including um after his abortion comments and after those shiny eld comments um but yet they didn't do any of those for commons despite um comments from her like repeating the uh very fine people lie which has been debunked like a million times at this point um you had come a sort of beating trump on occasion SHE pivoted from a question about like the border to sort of like goin trump about people leaving his rallies early which he then spent some time talking about instead of talking about border security like a strong issue for him. Um but overall a lot of the takeaway I saw where people say calm lm maybe did Better uh than expected at least much Better than biden who was busy living his best life putting on maga hats and saying he was going to quote to .

nine eleven up to my grandfather birthday new york they were gonna ch the debate and tomorrow and during nine eleven.

Miss that guy but overall was a mostly standard platform slot which you alluded to in the daily e's while sala um olive which was maybe slightly overshadowed um afterwards by the endorsement of one Taylors lift.

a cat lady who struck with the engines. Um I do think through debate really the expectation for camera was be Better than a corpse that that was the goal and the goal for trump or the expectation for trump by gas was to be a different candidate like for the press like if if he suddenly came in there and was just a different guy completely um and he felt at that and he succeeded. He felt at his and SHE succeeded at her.

I think that he was charming. I think that SHE doesn't I can think is a charming person generally like he seems very fun to me. I have said this before, and i'll say again, I would love to drink with hearing gossip about the people in congress.

And you anna queen, out with comma.

I'm interested. I'm interested. I actually thought the way he shot his hand, the very first thing that happen when he shook his hand and that's actually really a huge gesture that there have been no handshakes for many years.

I think it's ironic that she's sort of concurrently um trying to put him in prison. But I I do think IT looked really good and he looked really good for doing IT. I think that he did tifany job. I think that her points were all slop bullshit.

Um you could have had H, I think one of you, I think I said I might have been, maybe was usually you could have trained an A I and both of their twitter fees and got in nothing different. Um there are some highlights, some fun highlights. But in general, we learned just absolutely nothing. Everyone declare Victory and I didn't really matter. I think I mean.

I thought basically losted on the first question in my opinion, because the the very first question of the debate was IT was four carmilla.

But he was framed in this way that said, you know, trust hole pitch is asking the question, are you Better off than you were four years ago? And so the moderator as combo very directly, do you think the average american is Better or worse than four years ago? So a very, very literal like yes or no, plus or minus question and SHE completely dodges IT and goes into uh well, like I grew up medal class and I mean to do the opportunity economy and then takes some shots at trump and instead of just sticking to that question and say, well, well, he didn't answer the question like we need to get her to answer this question this is the foundation of my entire pitch.

And my entire campaign is, are you Better off four years ago? I am not answering any questions in this debate until he answers this one. He just goes off and just starts rambling and just just does like you know, like always does and and I just thought that was just so I mean, was frustrating to, you know, politicians not answering questions is nothing new. But he was frustrating that like he and his team didn't think IT through to say we maybe the move here is to actually try and hold her to account, even though he famously has never been one to be held to account. But I was just immediately, as soon as I turned IT on, I was like, ah, this is gonna a nightmare al lesson to.

I think you're big weakness. I think you're onto something. I would have loved to see a hammering of her on just every position that he has changed twenty nineteen because these are not small change. I actually down first change opinion.

But you have to tell me why you have to be like, I thought this I thought that we should defund the police twenty nine um in twenty twenty and I gave actual writers money, encourage other people to do so um I was totally wrong the crime situation, this country is out of control. IT was fun experiment while last year, but we need law order. I apologize.

She's start doing that. She's just changing these. It's like everything, immigration, crime, uh, the riding of twenty twenty.

What was the .

one said fracking? Fracking is a huge, obviously in n SHE wanted buy backs. What about? What about? Here's a good one.

What about sex change Operations for illegal immigrants? What about sex change Operations for illegal immigrants? That isn't crazy.

That's real was just like a trump mean, no.

that's real. That is real. It's been that. So the fact cks had been factor ked, what was IT one of them rote IT was time magazine rote of fact of that that they had to correct because SHE in fact did support sex change, government funded sexual Operations for illegal immigrants.

SHE was asked this. SHE answered the affirmative. SHE followed up. SHE made IT very clear that he really, really, really wanted to make sure that these illegal immigrants were getting sex changes.

OK talking was not like a like what side of that like I are you mad about? Like which side which side should you be? I don't know that's a whole conversation, but the point I want to see her talk about that and trump have this really great opportunity.

Yes, he is changed, right? I mean, used to be a clinton supporter that much. She's change but he has not changed the last really eight years.

I mean, are the real meaningful ways that he's he changed? I I don't really see that um everyone changes some positions. I don't think i've ever seen a john kerry famously was called a flip flipper for a couple of things.

I've never seen a candidate. vivid. Vivid is not really the word here. These we're talking about SHE is the opposite, is taking the opposite positions of what he took just a few years ago. Uh, one of them came up in the debate on the gun owner ship where he was like, how dare you spread these lies that I want buy backs i'm a gun owner.

I'll never take your guns and it's like, I mean endless clipsed of her saying I will do Mandatory by back and that wasn't like what he was some radical college student doing her communist thesis or whatever the fuck barack o bomber was doing back then in a day when he was being mentoring by a literal terrorist, bill air. He has had a lot of years to evolve. okay.

Combo was doing this three years ago. Come on, asked the questions um and he couldn't do that. But I don't get I don't expect much from debates, right? Like debates always comes. And when the last debate that there's been one debate that has mattered and we just thought, and I don't big a big asking for two debates that matter in a single election, when there has a bit debate that matter for the last thirty years is maybe being a bit greedy.

Yeah, I agreed with that. And I I I guess my sort of hot taken and i'd be curious to know what you guys think about this. I think the t swept endorsement afterwards much bigger needed mover than anything come said at the debate.

Like I saw the post debate poll that said, voters trust trump on the economy more after the debate, which he is supposedly did bad at than they did before. So like, well, yes, common had some good like scripted lines. I think Taylor swift, if her comments lead to even like a small marginal increase in her millions of fans register ing to vote, I think that's so much more impact for .

yeah I think the like trump supporters are really letting their ass hang out on this one. Just ignore IT. Don't engage with that.

Don't be mad. Don't attack people for listening to her. Do not. I mean elan. I think pretty elan, technically suggested, offered, offered to appreciate her. I would just personally and which just personally out of IT, I would just personally not touch IT.

I mean, he was already endorsed biden like this .

was a surprise.

You endorse the next candidate is just that he waited to drop IT till like a pretty good moment.

which I maybe someone said to me, but that was a great, that was a great. That was really smart.

yes. And he held the cat, fighting back at the cat and stuff. You had a great, you had a great .

thread about the tellers wift endorsement why I was so smart from A P. R. Perspective, which of course is all tailor cares about IT and that and she's great at IT.

I mean, she's like, really I don't believe in not shy. What is a great? She's like, I don't know.

I'm try to have a good at eight tex predator. What kind of animal is SHE or a snake? I was there for the redemption era, which are the rated I talking about .

debates generally, I think that it's more valuable to go back and watch the previous debates than the current debates because you can actually see with the clarity of four years, like what they said and then what they did and whether or not they were right or wrong on those issues, like going back and watching.

I mean, it's it's very interesting because I watched the the koala, a mike pence debate and in that that was where the i'm speaking came from. But if you actually watched that clip, he was going over time and the moderator was telling her that SHE needed to wrap up and and then and then pants says, like, look, I really got a response. She's like, set a bunch of things like, can I can I please go? Like, moderator, can you do something? And then the moderator says another thing, like, you really need to stop and then SHE and then he looks at pants and says, i'm speaking and then the moderator says, fifteen more seconds .

and I remember the audience cheering at that point. Oh yeah, you know really well, well, well, he just pants. I mean, and the funny .

st thing is that pants is like, he's not that that line IT feels like something that was directed at trump t he SHE was being talked to her, but pens literally at the start of the question. He they're taking notes like writing things down.

which like like husband, wife and diligent notes being like OK like.

I need to fact check this, I need to do this and it's like, this guy is not like, it's some aggressive debater. Like, he's like, very much like, okay, I know how we but that and and then SHE like, you know, takes the opportunity soon as he at times and even though the moderator said something, SHE gets the qual, which is really far, really, really, really.

really gonna pull that on one of you guys, if you are actually doing this, I just wanted talk. As I was in erupt.

he did two SHE was sitting on all night and SHE got change.

yeah. IT seemed very strategic, like if you go over time, there's a chance that they will speak over you. There's this male feemale dynamic. You can kind of gold him into saying something as you are going over time, and then you can clap back. And that would be powerful.

Did you guys think that was weird at all of you could say I am speaking to me. Did you think he was weird? D IT, although that austerity politics were completely left out, I thought that you spending should have at least some plays we talked about, like inflation a little bit.

What are they going to say? They both agree we should spend ourselves to death. They both want to spend us into the apocalypse. So what are they .

going to agree on? They agree on everything. Agree on everything. Now they agree on everything is the worst election to be anti gun, anti forking, anti israel, anti immigration tion. Both candidates anti all those things.

I think they do disagree on people like like trans culture war stuff. But if you press camera, I don't know what her answers will be today. He might be ready to throw SHE might be ready to throw the trans bus, the trans lobby under the bus.

At this point I arrive at over. So he has done that to everything else. But I would say, had he gone after trump, hard on immigration, actually, for real, like this is like he is not really committing to the bit for me.

If SHE had said I really am so I was wrong, this is a disaster that but IT wasn't me, was biting. And let me explain you what he did. I told them all.

I said, joe, you gotta do something with that man has to mention. You saw him debate fucking insane when I was putting up with in that White out try my best that he was accurate, says, you know, he hit me away for years. They didn't want me speaking, refuse to let me out here so I I can tell .

you what was going on.

We have the she's like, it's crazy the out there i've been there there they're letting in rapist murders and guess what, Donald trump, you didn't build the wall and you should have no, I going to and i'm going to make mexico pay for IT. I be like, fuck. I mean.

maybe maybe I want in the campaign office he's gona win this for the dams .

and see because I don't believe, I don't believe. I mean, both come on. It's like the age. It's like the age of clown is just this is what politics is now yeah I mean.

to your points, austerity politics I went I also went back and watch the twenty sixteen trump iller debate and IT was very interesting because Hillary is saying, like her economic plan will not increase the deficit whatsoever and and then and then he says, like and look, i've turned my website into a fact ker to check all of like Donald trumps lies and that just seem so ridiculous to me because like, I feel like there hasn't been a single day when the deficit went down like the deficit just goes up every day no matter what. Like the best thing we can hold for as a candidate who like increases IT at a slightly less rate because it's going up.

What is also just interesting that no even believes, no believes fact checks anymore. So you would never even say that there is lie both. I constantly one stage the whole time like that there's this goes by where they don't lie speaking a but on the debate I do want to do um I do want to introduce uh the Polly market segment.

This is our value to Polly market are uh paid partner. They are a huge part of us is why we get to do all of the cool stuff we do like talk about hatin woo cats and I don't know whatever the the capital last debate and probably I mean sex change Operations for immigrants. I don't know if shame wants me to talk about all of that.

You never really into IT, but if I asked to run a market on IT, you might let's look though I want to do as a standard I want to do. I want to take a look at where just these candidates are today. There is no Better time to do IT then after the debate and um here go here's what we're looking at today.

On the morning of the debate, come's odds of winning the presidential elections stood at forty five percent. Following the debate, her odds climb ed to fifty percent narrowly ast her passing trump, who now stands at forty nine percent. Well, this surge is encouraging for Harris. A broader look over the past month reveals a downtrend from a peak of fifty four percent.

So just very quickly, I was actually during the debate, I was at a work of that and people were all very key into the fact that combines searched following this on on on the markets which was shocking to see and in the very next morning I noticed that he was already losing again um but I think she's winning again at this point IT appears harasses overall election ods have improved after getting three to five percent in most of the swing states. The one swing state where SHE is struggle to make any progress is ohio, home to spring field, which remains ninety one percent in favor of trump, showing no loss of omentum following the debate. Um which is actually that's a really interesting presumable. If you had some sort of horrible lie about what was happening in springfield they would care.

But J D, J is also the senator there so i'll .

set IT of ohio of right I mean I don't know how close he was, just will certain. You're right. That's a good point. Many writing twitter have urged trump to visit spring field and seize on the immigration stories, but as of now, the odds of that visit happening are only nine percent on Polly market.

So at this point, I guess IT does look like comment is winning again at fifty percent, but there's been a back and forth. It's been IT was it's weird that it's been bouncing back and forth after the Taylor swift endorsement after the election. Obviously, he was winning.

But again, I woke the next day he was not now SHE is again um the time of this release, which is just to be like twill hours from now um about little less than twenty four will see what happens. Um I don't know, I don't know to make a IT at this point. IT seems like again I think is interesting that it's it's Better and overall loss of a mental still SHE still significantly down from her entrance into this competition.

But that was her last moment I don't debate. So the rest of this is going to be I don't know, the slow decay of both of their of their stories over time. And then whatever the hell happens in october, because you know something crazy about to happen.

I wonder if the pro israel slash, maybe he called into a mos commons luster.

Interesting could definitely. And IT will be interesting to track. I saw a one that was interesting on muslim support for both candidates.

And IT was IT. IT did not add up to one hundred percent. IT was like both sub twenty percent.

And I was like, who would they voting for? I didn't double click. You will .

see that yeah they're all .

Green party. They're like, yes, we want to calibrate and renewable technology, renewable energy there were two ish voters no.

we we want to califonia. We're willing to put up with Green energy. That's that's the framing .

yeah the yeah but there is some conflicts. There are certainly upward for the trans that the tran's immigrants they're not using .

a second debates going to happen did you see trump on fox? So he was talking about, ah, I don't want .

to do IT I saw him shake your hand today or yesterday at the september eleven thing and he said good job yesterday which was interesting to me but that say that he's well he like, you know, I really thought of top that debate the very first few moments. I thought I think he's thinking she's kind of hot and I think he was a little like he shook his hand. He was like, I don't know what to fuck him.

You with that, I think that I really do believe that he looked at her and he is kind I think you need to be objected about this. There's something kind of hot about her is the way he moves and talks and SHE fucked and read them and um I think you still thinking about her and when I saw him shake her and be like you did a good job, I he's still rattled. He is not like he's not right of the Better.

He's he doesn't know what to do with her right now and um and so he said a good job but does that me he wants on another debate? I don't think so. I think that should debate. I think we will give you a couple weeks and and he'll see how he's doing in the polls and if he's got a edge, there's no a debate .

and he want the V P debate october first. Yes, there will .

be another thing we've never seen is A V T, A V P debate that mattered. So maybe this will be an historic year. Will we get one of those as well?

Will say, I, I, I definitely think it's in trump's favor to do another debate. And IT seems like, you know, he was his first time debating her. He was a little bit off of his game. He was pretty good. But over time there's like a mean reversion and he just needs like to find a couple more openings, find some a like, you know, clip moments yeah, I mean.

SHE aimed. So center on some of the stuff was hard for him to ree with her in the way that he Normally does. And the the types of lying is like going on during these debates, so different, like trump ses, like super self grandison ing, the kind of .

the biggest audience that ever seen me. They stay the .

long system and her lives are much more organized. And so that they really just depends on someone to ask themselves, like, do I believe this person when .

he when he call into fox, he was like, guy have fourteen polls that show that I won the debate. And fox is like our poll show that you like.

which calls dogs. Where are you .

getting these things? Like stop. And I think that's the his team should be like, don't trigger T D S, because you could, he could stop, trigger ing TTS. He has a specific way of triggering. It's by the self grandier ing .

the cat thing he knew going into that that he was going to be fact cked. He would eric from our teams said he's like he walk right into that fact happily, he said there they're eating your dog. The people who are coming here, they're eating your cats, they're eating the pets of the people that like that, that is designed to move someone's lid. And I mean, mi.

I really think he, just like he does this intentionally, like the the good people on both sides, the blood bath, the dictator. On day one, he figures out how to create these stories that will trigger T, D, S, make people go crazy. But then if you dig down into the fact check, you can see that, like, okay, IT was a little more nuance.

And the media took IT out contact and that can work really well to the year. The true fans, because they're like, oh, well, this is evidence of they're saying he said something crazy you than he did. I saw the full clip and it's not that crazy. But at the same time, it's like if you're on the edge, like you are going to push more people away with that type of direct because it's designed to try trigger people.

I just don't know who's still undecided. It's we we've seen these people. We've they've been around since twenty fifteen, right?

I I don't know like there's like no one knew what commons policies were and and I think people still don't know. You know she's like he said that he owns a gun, is SHE pro gun and and then will SHE be progne three years if they win the majority of the house and senate? Like it's like there's there's a really wide gap between like, okay, she's like expLoring some political points.

Well, like will SHE actually advanced my agenda because like, yeah maybe if you don't like trump and you're like, hey, like she's saying that she's going to check for the important boxes for me like that enough. But SHE has changed her position a lot. And so like, if you believe that the change is real, then he could be a great candidate to some people.

I just decided this crazy vision of. Like that max, destroy a and like I did, I really did I just like I truly did and I saw myself and I I D said, well, fucked IT. It's that max now and I felt relief.

I was like this strange, no longer hoping it's not going to come thinking I can maybe do my part to help try and promises it's over. It's mad max now it's like lord over by I mean, it's like the democrats packed the core and you get dictatorship for something and we're all not me. I'll be on the road with a dog and truck and a gun and but it'll be straight up mad max and there is something weird ly comforting about IT.

I've got say to america, if amErica becomes mad max, i'm moving to hate and i'm going to take over the country.

I'll probably just go back to efforts to go as data whole time. I mean, same difference really. Let's move on to paradiso.

And the greatest show on the internet is back. Its parodi le guys, welcome. Thank you for joining trend.

Olivia. Liv, we have been just I mean, going strong for weeks now. I think i'm pretty sure that we're just about to wrap up the first round.

Um so next week, I think is going to be at the last of the of the the of the first grouping and then we'll figure out I don't know the rules moving for and i'm kind of making you up as I go um as is my way, I am still to have you all here. We're just onna get into IT today or should be I guess we me recap p on how folks are doing. I don't it's kind of all over the place.

I'll tell you what i've been talking to the market guys and we might actually do like a Polly market, like a betting segment on the e Victor. Um so yeah, stay tuned for that. For now, let's just get into the show. H the rules are sort of standard is always I am going to are really rarely is going to break down the topic of the week, then each contestant is going to kind of say hello, where are they from? Telling something cool about themselves are the world that gives their take.

You all and us, wherever, can jump in, can dunk, can compliment, can add to whatever take just like have a conversation with us and um and then you guys in the comments are the viewers in the comment short of say what do you think about the topic, what you think about the contestants um we have become a think a little bit nicer you know, this is sort of the way of pie wires as we have because really negative, angry brand. But really we're all very nice with a mice's, I think the ice and the greatest maybe trump to say but let's just get into IT rightly ear up my man. Break down the insel pandemic.

sure thing. So your topic this week contestants comes from a story we wrote about in the daily. According to a new stanford study, the covered in nineteen pandemic has LED to a continued recession in america's dating lives. These studies author estimates thirteen point three million more americans were singled by twenty twenty two than they were before the pandemic. Ah with Young people being especially impacted bloomberg rights rather than creating a temporary disruption, coveted seems to have accelerated the us as decades long decline in connection and community dam.

So it's like population crash at Jason. We've got covered in there. We've got jensie, which I I mean ript for making fun of you. I think you probably be r gene um right of .

the cup of chancy and millennial, some twenty seven years old, born and ninety seven. So I don't know. M, I, J, Z, I only been note.

well, you could be our translator. You could be the gentle whisper. You could translate for me, because I can understand how the only thing I know about jene of the giant pants. And I could not explain them if I had to, like, weirdly shaped huge pants anyway.

because I like the big pants.

That's a whole other topic. loving. You are back. You came in last week, has some technical difficulties. IT was a tragic moment. You seem very sad, but you've risen like the phoenix.

What do you think about your insel campaign? Ts, and is IT or not sort of the response of or in response to cove IT? Is cove IT to blame for the fact that you kids are not fucking?

I do think that cov a definitely exacerbated the problem, but to me, I think the problem is declining to stay room levels. So if you look at a chart from us.

we're like, yes, we're like yes t yes.

yes. Um if if you look at the chart of to toast trum levels like from the thousand nine hundred eighties up and can now you'll see a very clear downward trajectory ory, which is very alarming. And obviously, if men don't have high to stop their own levels, they're not onna have the gunmen or the motivation to go up to the girl and talk to the girl and not gna have that energy to want to appropriate because that's literally what testosterone is.

And so I think that's one of the problems that we need to kind of solve first and foremost. Secondly, I do think that phones are also a problem because phones, smart phones, they provide instinct gratification, right? So if you're honey and you're too nervous to go to talk to a girl, you can just go to point her dog. Hom, see some, I don't know, big body. Lta.

is that what you see? what? You see is .

in my life of so was your .

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I don't generally bad don't .

do corn kids it's it's the worst thing ever. It's IT should be banned Frankly, that's a different subject yeah and you go and you can gratify yourself by watching some point video. I'm going to get .

into the details you can and inspire waters. What do you like to get to do you .

for the children who might who might be watching?

There are some children watching, actually.

So we shall exactly through Olivia, which I will get into in a minute interest. yes. So besides the instagram ation thing, also like back in the day, people didn't have smart phones to use as a crush.

So for instance, you were like a college freshman in the nineteen seventies, right and you went to some social gathering and um like you got socially anxious because you are with the cool kids or whatever. You you couldn't just like pull out your smart phones and go into a corner and start scroll link to twitter acting like you're doing something more productive or more cool. You had to actually face your anxiety and go and talk to people and make conversation. And I think our phone is kind of like a crush in a way. And so there's like there's multiple aspects as to why phones are like a problem when he comes along.

You know, I thought you were going to tie IT to, I know I mean, roughly, I think it's like we can I don't know any one of these roads in interesting road roof walking down and seeing what's what's up there, uh, researching more, finding out more cellphones are new, right?

This whole thing is a new it's a really new technology that should be I mean, technology has been saying for a decade it's been a truism, you know that in the internet has fundamentally change society. Mobile internet has fundamentally change society. okay.

Well, the thing about fundamental change is IT is fundamental, like we should see evidence of change everywhere in everything that we do. I think eating is a really good example of IT. It's not quite clear how I do sometimes is wonder about the tea thing. And because this is another thing where i've really dug in trying to understand what's causing the decline, which does seem to be real, no one has a good answer. And I wonder if fix the phones there in our pockets on that point.

Now if you mention IT, so supposedly I I google this really quick before coming out. Screen time does like if you have excessive screen time, IT does correlate to lower to ask from levels OK.

I have another really crazy one that I had to share this one. This is one of my crazy, and I I think it's a novel idea. So I would like someone to maybe some scientists out there listening to pie wires can do some research on this.

I think it's worth expLoring. So wouldn't IT make sense from an evolutionary psychology standpoint um for humans in high concentrations to have a lower testosterone, right? If you have huge like very sort of um what is IT uh, higher population density, the higher of the population density group, you would want some lower t so people, men specifically, are less likely to fight and more likely to get along.

Well, how would you even know that you're in high concentrations of people? Obviously, there only cormon's things that you think about. There are, I don't know something out, who knows what that could be. But one, obviously, anis, a visual stimulate. If you see evidence of tons of people all around you, perhaps that alone would be sufficient to lower your tea. And now all day, every day we're on our phone looking at other of course, we had television and we had you know walking around the power can seeing people, but the phone is right in your face. You are scrolling, scrolling, scroll. There's people everywhere, every single second of your day um there are people and I I wonder if features that um which against sounds crazy zero evidence total complete like fake news type opinion terms like don't cpe me on IT this is not a peer review journal, but I wish that I would be I would like a peer review journal to look at IT um no mention .

is just more complex social hierarchy when you have people in ater concentrations that gives rise to these complex hierarchies, and people that are lower have demonstrated measurable decreases in test test rooms. So if you've got a really complex society, a king on top there, going to fewer people can to occupy the upper strata and therefore, you would expect to see, uh, decreases in t across those those lower.

So awareness of the hierarchy.

There's a study. There's a study that shows men how they change their voice around different groups of people. So, example, an attractive woman is nearby.

They will so conciousness lover their boys. But if there's a man they perceived to be potentially stronger than them, they will make their voice higher as, oh yeah. And you know.

do you know where you see this the most? At the gym you go men in a gym. The nowhere will you see a more peaceful hush voice than in the mallock's room where guys are like, hey, could you OK thanks.

But like, it's the, it's very much on display. Like all over the gym you see this um yeah interesting. I've also read maybe brand, I think you tell me this, that when men take positions of leadership, their tea Spikes because we published a piece I think oh a while ago on on the test toco pse.

I think that was called yeah I can change by situation like if you move in, in one day. If you move from a scenario where you are in high sort of position the hierarchy to a scenario where in the where you're middle of the hierarchy, for example, your tea levels do change. A lot of these studies are flawed because your tea levels naturally change per the time of day. So like, I think think maybe at night it's highest to not told her, but lot of science is difficult to sort of pen down.

explains the late night duty .

calls yeah also probably the morning which we don't graphic. Let's you to move on actually before I move on to who are you and where you from and tell that tells an interesting fact of about your cell.

interesting effect OK from the southern border. I think that's very interest.

I am interested in the southern.

but yeah yeah, so the river is literally a block away from my house. So I went my house back home. I live on six street. The rivers like on eight three, if they were in eight street. So south texas, right on the border, I think that pretty interesting fact, but sparse. What I do i'm an editor at the daily color and i've been here for like a year, have been working in news for almost two years and yeah, that's that's me wow.

how man you know, a whole of the topic. I but I have a lot border questions and border wall questions. And dam is too much work here for the hate segment we are today.

Discuss obviously to discuss the cats for for another day a treat. You are up, sir. Where you from where you reaching to us? Where are you calling us from? And yeah, tell us, tell us something about the world and then i'm not okay.

So trend flowering and colorado right now, about twenty minutes of denver, uh, we got to do an interesting fact about themselves. So I mean, do you want a fact I do affect about me? Okay, so give you you oppose. I'm a learning, managing alongside my daughter.

She's in a man SHE well .

because it's uh, I think it's going to be a very important language in the future and we also she's ha bottom and so we figured we could get spanish for free, just spending summer with her family who don't even speak english. So SHE SHE and her brother should come at a high school trial single we thought I would do.

I don't think it's gonna IT no fence at all. You can mean obviously going to judge your the Manda lessons. I think the china's fuck, I just saw the chart today about the collapse of chinese startups. There is you should really actually I like let's pull up that chart. It's really dramatic.

Um I think we need to believe there's an enemy there because I don't know, but it's like the last time that we felt that we were great was when we were fighting a giant enemy and then spent a while. But am I really worried about china? I think you've speaking english and spanish for sure he is, finites said, ordering chinese food in chinese that's exciting and novel. A college will be really all our friends will think he's .

really cool IT doesn't matter what happens with china economically, in ten years you're going to have airports that can .

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you to learn a new guage learning to drive a manual sports car like that can be fun. And an exciting like I encourage, that is probably good for your brain. But I don't think this can be very practical. Even if china takes over the world.

we will see, we shall see. They have been promising that real time translation for rather a while. I do grant the generate vi has gotten much, much Better. I worked with a bunch genre to V I company. So I know how, how fast all of that is.

Movies, you could be right, but I have been hearing there for some time and I think the coding of benefits will still a prove regardless of all the rest of you can ride me. Hopefully, hopefully our enemy, uh, does collapse. But it's it's fortunate that you phrase IT that way because some of my take actually centers around that.

So i'm going to stake out a somewhat contrarian and position in as much as I don't think covered night has all that much to do with the epidemic of loneliness and isolation that we're seeing, I think the pandemic was just the latest in a long series of insults and injuries to a basic sense of optimism that we once felt about ourselves, the world, in the future. So when you're trying to do elucidate a complex social enamel on like this, that always helps to do comparison's. And I did the liberty of looking up the reproduction stats before and after world war two, which was argued the last time we faced, uh, existent risk of this kind.

And you guys all know there are four fathers tript in that conflict, came back and had so many babies that IT permanently distorted the demographer structure of the united states, and that the numbers are something like IT nearly doubled. The reproduction rate nearly doubled over about a twenty year period from two point two after three point eights of not quite a doubling, but pretty close. And I don't want to make light of the suffering in the loss that happened during copy nineteen.

To say nothing of the comment of civil liberties we saw from being locked up in our houses, but I think we can all agree that sitting at home with access to air conditioning and netflix and running water doesn't compare to sAiling across the ocean. Storming Normally and facing down the greatest evil to have ever emerged on the european company. So given that we were able to whether that far more dire storm with a basic sense of self respect intact, I don't see how covet nineteen is responsible for what we're seeing today.

And I I think there there are two basic lengths that we can use to try to figure out what's going wrong here. And the first, and slightly more shallow, is just a broader spectrum, fraying of the social fabric of american life. So by a four two coincidence, I happen to be reading bowling alone right now, which is Robert putnam epical study of the decline of civic participate in american life, uh, are arguably the most comprehensive such study that had ever been written.

It's not that the social fabric was destroyed by cover nineteen. It's that we went into IT badly fraid already so we were not embedded in a rich tapestry of social connection that allow us to uh to to get through IT with resolve. Instead we went in already isolated and that was just exacerbated by the isolation that we experienced from from the lockdowns.

And I think the deeper reason, and i'm gonna show box a little bit here, but I think the deeper reason is that the fire in western civilization is flickers and and dying. I think that we no longer see ourselves as a spiritual and moral beacon for the world. I think we no longer see ourselves, uh, as serious people. And I I don't think we any longer see ourselves as part of a glorious project that's worth understanding and sustaining. And this isn't terribly surprising.

Like how would you expect people to respond when I spent decades being told by common ists and the woke and post modernists that their civilization is uniquely responsible for every evil that is ever befall in the world, that their very existence is offensive, and they should be sorry, begging on their knees for forgiveness for every breath that they take? How would you expect people to respond when we we been told every year that we're just that right around the corner, there's a global climate change induced ed conflagration that's going to destroy the entire world and consumers all in fire? I gets no surprise the in in view of seeing that the people don't have the hope required to go out, make these connections, to start families, to have kids, all of which are, in my view, inherently optimistic and hope lax and uh in preparation for this, he said as a bloomberg article and I actually thought there was really good quote in that that I want to read, uh, IT comes from near the animates from Joanna E.

A, whose name I know how to pronounce because i'm learning mind, by the way, she's the director of the university of michigan. n. Surveys of consumers.

SHE says what we're seeing is a dramatic lack of hope. And he goes on to say, people are in a funk about politics. People are in a funk about the economy.

IT would not surprise me if that was connected to being in a func, in more personal areas, people feel defeated. We aren't isolated, alone, sick and depressed because we somehow forgot how to strike up conversations to go in nineteen. We're in that state because we've been under a very quiet siege for a very long time. That is undermined our sense of optimism. And I think that's what's ultimate .

planes are I think I agreed a lot of what you said. I think it's something that has happened slowly. So it's been hard to try. But certainly, I was taking just about this, not the recently the counters again of technology, how there are these sort of unambiguous with goods you think in in technology, for example, video calls like this and um and you think possibly be what could possibly be the negative extract there? And then I wondered how much less likely am I to maybe visit my family because this feels so much like that IT similar IT is just close IT up in in the days before when when you know calls were were difficult that I probably couldn't be moved across the country.

I would have not wanted to lead my family, you know um and I just spent a slow sort of maybe degradation of that and and then you know through our topics today and just recently a lot of been thinking about just what that is america. I have a sense of IT and have a sense of american identity. But I wonder, you know, you have twenty million immigrants.

Pot had been somewhere between fifteen and twenty million in illegal, on the illegal side of immigrants over the last four, five, six years. What is their sense of america? What is like? What are they integrating? What are they expected to integrate into even and and what are we expecting them to integrate into IT? Just to, in a certain next step, we sorbing reduced to an economy in the world.

We are the people living between these borders that we just happened to, the people who are born here or who came here naturalized. And I think on the one hand, there's a loss of a sense of american identity at all, that we're united around a common set of precepts. And there's also this in city's idea that if you expect immigrants to learn english and to a simulate into the society that's racist, somehow you're are racing their identity and that's bad. So on that two front, you have just this erosion in the the idea that there could be in american identies.

I like the, I like the coveted being like over overstated take, but I am still a little loose, unlike what what is your solution now when .

I always a solution that that is not the assignment, I would never add someone to solve the population crisis. The pie .

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Olivia solve the population crash now kay first, just Olivia walking on the pod. Who are you where you call IT in from? Um analysts get into the question at hand, which is the insufficient, the zimmers cool.

So i'm libya. I I live in a nash fell. I worked in jack are in sales for my career until us recently. I A P M for an eleven months so that kiss me super busy. Um A N fact is Chris from season four, episode four is my husband.

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our big party of things we got to a gotta participate um okay so i've got to dump a real take and a hot take. Um my dunk is I think the the the low t argument is really fine, but I don't think it's accurate um for the reason of like if we go back fifty years or all these guys really cold approaching women all the time, I don't think that they were I think in reality there were like social scenario set up more often where like you're interacting casually with women and then maybe your friends and then that that slowly progresses to like a romantic relationship um the cold approach is actually like not best for women in the sense that their forced within like five seconds to make a judgment all unlike if I should trust this guy to spend more time with him. Um I looked IT up with two.

And there's a study that says in the risk of our sexual markets called approach here, yellow a higher percentage of dates with more sexually unrestricted or crazy women. You know, a crazier woman would be way more willing to like take a that on the random guy that hit up at the bar. Okay， so that's my my junk on the low to argument, my real take, I really agree with trend in the sense that like there's been a slow decline through the internet, through our phones, through copy of like our third spaces being gone to, you've got your first, second and third spaces home place of work and then like some social space, you go often.

And for a lot of people, two thirds of those are completely gone. And like, if they work promoting their work spaces gone and then their social spaces are gone. And I think phones like really steel a sense of agency.

And also they like restrict to boredom, which is an incredibly powerful emotion for agency. So i'm thinking back to like my parents, my in laws, my in laws met at a church dance. My parents met at a club called juges, enough state new york.

And it's like they were at those places because sitting at home was lame and boring. And so it's like let me go out and interactive people but no, your phone is just as entertaining as potentially going out in public. So why would you go out um and then I would say my my hot is bring back age marriages .

agree yes.

I think i'm the minority and that I actually would have trusted my parents to find me a sfo SE. I know that's not the case for those people, but maybe it's a friend, maybe it's somebody, do you know maybe it's carrots setting you up with I has been their wife.

you know, i've been asked. I had literally I was asked for a dating service just last week. I was asked for a dating service.

IT was a guy. He just he had just broken up with his girlfriend because he felt he could not talk to you about. I mean, I was a very, I didn't recommended this.

I don't recommend braking up with your girlfriend if you can talk about the pie articles with, but I was roughly what I was getting and and he was like, I would love to meet someone who likes the same things that I like and I was like, I don't know, I don't know that you need that, by the way, I think that you can have a partner who just likes you a lot and you guys have different things. But anyway, that's I need to drop, sorry, want to do do you have something to say there? I piraeus dating and something I I do think about that we're like, we do male. Let's just call a spade a spade.

Yeah, I am not surprised. But no, that was the extent of.

was my headache. Bring back our age merage.

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mean bring back like do .

that a is marry you like important.

feel like that's like not in american tradition.

Is, is there no version of that europe? I thought the love marriage was pretty new, basically. Certainly marrying here.

Certainly marry for love is quite new in the grand scheme of reality. That's like human existence. That's that's a new thing. yeah. I mean.

I think like one of the other discuss technologies is probably having huge just the invention of contraction tion, and maybe we're still feeling like the effects of that because there they just completely wrote like the the the way dating kind of progresses.

And I imagine that a lot of the a lot like the big cat hi t males in the baby boomer generation, like they came back, they had kids and they were like, I have some level of responsibility here and so i'll settle down um and kind of progress that way. Um and and maybe like maybe the phones and the technology like IT will have an effect and it's having an effect now. But like maybe the bigger effect is going to come in like fifty years. And maybe maybe the thing that we're experiencing here is actually still from the contract exception that was invented like you seventy years ago.

maybe. But I mean, my our bombers were having kids when the even bombers having like much bigger families than then genet or millennial.

Yeah yeah yes. And and I think a lot of that was due to like a lower prevalence of of uh.

I think it's more the cultural acceptance of using protection. So the idea of using a condom today and being like I couldn't do that because it's against my religion seems crazy like no one that you would not hear that whether that was pretty calm. I mean, I was raised catholic and my parents are like, kind of they're like, well, if they definitely used production but I do think against .

conception.

against there are still against that's .

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be used there were two things that that you said that I really resonated with me. Almost bored um I agree. I think that it's like really important to be bored.

Generally separate from this conversation, I think about us a lot borum as you said, I love you. I did that yes IT provokes you are go and find something, not be bored and after that, bringing you to people or projects or something. Um but but also just like it's a weird talk about things, aren't Linda so of living a life without boredom is not Linda.

That's really new. And I think there is separate from what sort of more obvious things that could be a problem with just no longer being bored, ever. There are always things that we don't know and aren't thinking about.

This is a huge, again, fundamental change to the way that we exist in the world that never exist IT before IT really matters that we talk about IT and another one I was talking about, you're time about third spaces. Um agree, they're all gone. I think church is a big one where people used to meet their partners, obviously their neighborhood neighborhood.

The only third space that we really have now is a bar um problematic for a bunch of things, more obvious reasons. Another one though is work. My parents met at work. I think meeting at work is probably historically over the last handful of decades since more when had been in the workforce was pretty common. Um i've had a lot of fights eating with fairly based friends at at work about this.

Um I think it's totally find the day people at work, and I think it's crazy that we expect people not to date at work, not to sort of meet someone and then date at work and like, oh, there we were, especially during the me too ea, this will come up a lot and people say, oh my god, you just shouldn't do IT. You shouldn't mix work and romance. It's like that's not the way IT works, my friend.

You meet someone and you're into them and you want to be with them. And if you have a strong social like walls up against that, driving people away from that, or even just against relationships in general, right? Like our culture became pretty diverse, college campuses pretty diverse to sort of sex. We're sort of in, I think, sex and negative environment. I look at on like movies in the stuff from ten years ago, and we were more we were much more open sexually. I think culturally, I really do think that, which maybe sounds strange, but I really believe there were more socially conservative now than we were a handful of years ago, and more conservative about sex, and then also more dislike not just sex negative to say this like the lib way, but we're sort of more anti men, women coming together. And it's like there's like a this increasing like friction between the sexes that I don't quite know what to make up.

I think something that's also interesting is you got on college, which is presumably like an incredible third space to meet other Young people who are, you know, in your community. But I heard when I was in college like so much like don't even think about marriage, you are way too Young for any of that stuff. And so you leave the space that you could have met like a great partner. But you were told, like, keep IT casual, keep IT simple. And then when you're actually ready to settle down, you look around and like, there are no more spaces like that.

Yeah, I think that cultural Normalization of the inventive aliza of like adults is certainly, I mean, who knows what causes the cultural Normalization that I think the missing peace. But we're treated like children. I mean, people in the authorities still act like children and think that their children and safe in their early thirties, will say things like, I am too Young to settle down.

No, you know, you're not. You are not. Go back like a board aboard aboard.

This is the path of destruction. You are not too Young to set to town in your early thirties. My mom had four kids, four by age thirty one. Like that's crazy y that we we just like extended we think that we're just extending our youth or something, but we're not we're actually just adult acting like Young people for a long time, which is a new thing.

I think that's why we like super hero movie so much because we're like grown children. And meanwhile, sorry about this offence.

more pensive to me. You can finish and I want to say something.

Come on, dude.

your in is your point and is your point and then i'm going to .

push you in your place god o like you're watching grown men and costumes, five each other in this weird fantasy world that's clearly for children. Marvel was like never I don't think marvel was ever made for adults.

I think comic books for your children and the fact that marvel is beeing all these kinds of records just shows how infant lize you as a society like what you're you're the biggest moving amErica is two grown men in tights fighting each other in this fantasy land. I mean, I think that's free. bizarre. Like how do you go from kasb lana or like pulp fiction to like first.

oh my god, right now.

pop fiction, great movie.

nobody saw pole v like pop fiction would never been like one of the top ten block posters or whatever never, never, ever cost. Well, yes, but that's like a culture that I is so far removed from here that I I wouldn't even begin. I couldn't even begin to get in the mind space there.

father. sure.

Comic books we're talking about. Oh, people have never been into this sort of thing. They're greek. It's greek method. Gy, they're like their god spider each other and their summer petty and summer, you know, humorists and they're going to war, whatever.

Like actually these archetypal characters are tapping into something in a the success of IT should just tell us I I agree worth looking at. So let's just start there. It's worth looking at the success of superheroes what I love about superheroes, not all of them the first while marvel movies are fAiling left to right right now um but they were succeeding while.

They were at their pure rest when they were the pure rest matching back to the comic books and when you saw these archetypal characters fighting out um I would say on behalf of values that we all hold dear, we were seeing the good fight for really the first time in decades on screen that had got fall totally out of favor every you know great movie was supposed to be some twisted um you know clown world version or fun house meter version of what is good and what is noble and now superheroes, movies, hot, objectively hot people physically at their peak fighting on behalf of values that we all share freedom. Theano is such a great exam you should you work for the daily caller. You should love superhero movies.

Panos was the villain. What did he want to do? He was an environmentalists kill half of all beings on on all of existence to save the environment.

He was an environment. He, this is like he was great. Thd exact rethoric with the that's looking at the spanos and what happens? Spanos got his head shopped off by a guy names store.

A case in point, you guys are all talking about heroes instead of women right now. Are there any single guys in here? Like, one is the last time you approach to woman.

I'm single. I want on the day, not too long ago, I last approach woman was like, this past weekend.

dear friends approach woman, so you think like IOS fine, because I feel like I also get the sense that guys are told that there are so threatening all the time that they don't feel comfortable approaching women.

Man, you just don't over think, just don't be a greedy guy and just talk to the world you think I think creepy.

What determines creepy is determined after the fact, though creepy is typically determined by whether and how you like someone. I mean, is anyone ever called in his prime brad pit? Was brad pit ever creepy? I find that hard, hard to believe.

I think. Wish he was good to me.

You can tell my thing the way .

I want to close IT out.

That is very I I get this a lot and I think that you are probably maybe most listening. Agree with you certainly. I mean, actually tea has gone up. Peter is after me on this um he he'll go on I just think that you're all wrong and I think that super heroes are are like one of the only the good not even recently but like everything up until n game in marvel IT was like one of the only cultural bright spots in america. And the fact that they were going doing so well with such kind of in like unambiguously good ideals and values was very interesting and remains interesting to me.

Some of some dating advice, if you are watching this in your single, go to places where you think your future spouse, maybe if you care about faith, don't energy.

Go to the local .

comic .

book store girls for a guy.

go to nerd spaces. Go to comic book conventions. Go go like any good to magic the gathering night or whatever.

Like, go thought that you are going to be the queen. B okay, i've fit in her faces for a long time. There's only one girl at a fifty. And SHE is the godless SHE is done and that's how she's treat IT.

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Go in the firewire comment the that's a great way to close IT out thank you very much of libya. Go in the pirates rees comments, rate, subscribe review. Leave a comment.

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