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Time for a cake gab, and i'll bring us our cooler stuff found in our gift guide for the week. I like to have a pop socket or some sort of handle on the back of my iphone, but also sometimes I need to charge my iphone while i'm out and about. And this is why I like the pop socket battery pack.

It's got a pop socket on IT IT is mag safe sticks to the back of my phone, and I can still hold the phone with the pop socket on IT. And that way I can charge. And yet everything still works great.

And right now that's available for one pty, less than forty us. Dollars at amazon that com. We'll put a link in the show notes, more cool stuff found in our gift guide like this plus your questions answered today on mackie up ten sixty four four monday, november eighteen th. Micky, I mouses birthday. It's also mini mouse birthday and there a couple is just like els's Steve, I don't know, twenty twenty four.

And spokes. And welcome to macchia the show where we share cool stuff found like that. We share quick tips like that, yours and ours, also yours and ours with the cool stuff found.

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I forgot who you were.

No, I almost said something about the weather, then decided not to. But I did sound like I forgot who I was. That's not that's also not false. IT happens .

to us as we get older. But I am adam Christians in here in .

south dakota and here live in dubai. Which pixi alternative it's pilot pete ten sixty four crime in progress or subject wanted property found not sure which which one this is up taking property found it's we're going to be do some cool stuff found so I think.

yeah, that sounds appropriate.

Good guy today .

I like IT. Good stuff. yeah. Don't forget about our giveaway folks.

Maki cup consists give away this month. We're given away the oc express one m two. So go get your and you can enter more than once.

There are there are ways that we've actually carbon out for you to be able to enter more than once, so you can up your chances and fun little thing. So yeah, it's good stuff. Love IT.

Shall we are we said we would do some gift guide things. Shall we? Shall we keep going with our with our gift guide stuff? P.

yeah, absolutely. Um there's a link in the show notes. I don't have any these with me, but they are rechargeable L, D, flashlight, gloves. And man, can I have used in last week, I put in a transfer panel for the portable generator to go to our.

uh uh.

home. So if you know we get a power out to just turn flight up the generator, plug into the house and then run things like the furnace in the refrigerator or the, and I had this really cool little neck L. D.

Flashlight, but my hands, who are still casting shadows and IT, was hard to see into the electrical barks. These have little early delights on the thumb, in the fingers that avoid that whole shadow. We think so.

It's pretty cool whether you working in the dark, under the sink, in the, in the car, dark spaces would have, yeah, the one size fits all their stretchy ison. And for about fourteen box on the amazon, you can get yourself a pair. He'll be flash like gloves.

interesting.

And they know your your index singer and your thumb or what kind of hold them. That's where the lights are, but your fingertips are through and and only other waterproof, the most part that you can get wet if you're work and employment. And I don't know that I would submerge them.

but sure, I ve never been a fan of wearing gloves while I play the drums. But this might look really cool on stage. So I might have think, right, I don't know why that's the first place my brain went with this, but IT is so, yeah.

kind of what you do. Diff.

oh yeah. Kinder and kinder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. yeah. Going to get a pair and find of a place in a way to use. So you find stuff.

I'm reminded of john bottom, the drummer from lezion at the beginning of song, remains the same when the stage is black. And he starts the intra rock and rolled with light up drumsticks. And and and the kit is his vista lites, which were clear a chri c drums.

So it's like how is there's some thing where that makes sense to do? So maybe the answer is maybe, but also handy for the all the purposes that you just describe this to me. I like to get every year, I like to get a kind of a handy, and I don't mean hands, but this serves both purposes. But he handed like tool, gizmo, gadgets thing that I give to everybody, something they will wind up using around the house. And this seems like maybe could yeah those .

so pretty cool left you even funny used to say that left your mind was the the whole hat that had a little l deep battery headlight which is good .

for walking and .

which now just became my second .

she's gna say, yeah, yes, yeah it's .

got a little flat L D headline in IT. And look at.

there you go. Yeah look at that something something like just like a bi with with .

a headline has a little rechargeable USB, rechargeable light in IT. ExcEllent for walking. ExcEllent again for seeing what you're doing. I like the gloves Better. As far as casting shadows, my hands cast shadows when you're doing fine work like putting yeah no twice twist ties on your electrical wires in your main house panel. It's good to see that that's will we get .

links for both of these things in the shown? No, this is great, pete. You just want to do the whole episode.

or should I just come back and .

i'll be done? A listener crag sent in A, A, A nice little catch that found on amazon. When I prepped this, the the four pack of air tags that cracks sent was sixty nine dollars and ninety nine cents right now.

IT is seventy nine dollars in one ninety eight cents a that's still a pretty good deal on these things that that you know, twenty books on your tag instead of twenty five books on your tag. I I have been known to buy a forepeak or two and then just drop an air tag in each person's stocking so that they have an extra one in their world to um to do with as they as they please. So for .

stacking first. Lk for stocking oh yes, I see you maybe not so much .

that maybe not so much that number before when we were moving your microphone.

Pete, i'm sorry.

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Little, lets do this and this is, I think, good because know you ve got the holidays coming up and you might spend time with family. So this might even be some things you want to pick up before the holidays. My family were huge into board games.

I've got a giant board game collection. So we love sitting around and playing board games, especially around the holidays. And stuff like that would be like get togethers.

But what I thought I would pick for you all is some versions of board games that I definitely recommend, the physical board game, but that also have a really great IOS version of the game. So you can play solo on your ipad. You can play pass and play somebody have, somebody have networks.

You can play across ipads, or even if you aren't physically together, you might be able to play these games. So some of our favorites are settings of tn, which is a really, really great fun game I would highly recommend. And there's a very good IOS version of tack game ticket to ride, which is also amazing, all kinds of expansions and ads and things that you can get.

So we love that one that when comes out quite frequently. And then there's another game called dominion, which is also excEllent um and super fun. So any of those I would recommend. And again, they're all recommendations as pure table top games or also just the IOS the versions and you can get a movie sand of the platforms to android and and yeah search of things.

But that looks like there were steam versions .

of ah a lot are really good on ipad.

Yes, which so now you mentioned, I just want to take a quick diversion on steam because I used to be I thought all in a windows thing and my son had on his computer years and years ago. And it's basically steam is not something to be afraid of. Download installed IT, I guess, would you call IT a .

shell program? It's it's game market and market place. It's it's a marketplace for games. And I don't know where apple is with their thing, right? They're changing some of the rules. Apple has banned these sorts of things on IOS, right, because they want you to go through the mac store.

And I know they spend some changes, I think, over in the eu, where theyve had to open and up a little bit, I don't know they're kind of changing their policies on some of these are these sorts of apps. So to be interesting to see what happens moving forward. But yeah, it's it's an APP store for for video games yeah for download al video games.

What I said I guess what I was going for the steam is an Operating system for these games on which to be a platform to work the games in macos.

They have the stream deck, which is a product which allows you to play games from steam. And I think that I don't know what Operating system steam deck is based on. I'm not in deeper in that in that world. But yeah, they do have like and held devices, handheld device. I know that's like a mini computer.

but I don't know.

Interest runs their own O S A very when steam .

runs on your mac, it's not running a different Operating system. IT IT is IT. IT is the APP store for the game to get to you. It's just in the past, the games that were in steam were all for windows or mostly IT wasn't always across platform thing is where I think you you're going with this .

people yeah I know I guess that and we played the jack box. Jack box. Yes, and get those your team. Those are fun. Probably another cool f stuff found then I guess the jack box games because you can sit around, everybody has their iphone, which is their controller device and in the main game is up on your test, broadcast up on your television and their trivia games and all sorts .

of things that are a lot of them yeah, I mean, they also have that for tvs. So you could just play from your your TV or just with a set of ipads and iphones, early jack boxes.

amazing. It's fun. I agree. Ah yeah, I am sorry paul did confirms .

the steam activity runs and a steams which is based on linux. So that may some some of the confusion may come in to play to because steam the APP b store thing is one thing. And then there is the steam deck, which is a computer, you know, I can help gaming system that runs steam Operating system.

So I think we've confused everybody more than we know.

No, not note, pete, I couldn't possibly have planned this if I tried. But my next suggestion here for our cool stuff, found gift guide, is also in the steam category. IT is a smart humidifier.

Uh, we have one of these in our bedroom. We ve always we live in the land where heat is a thing, like we heat our homes and and that drives out our homes. And so we are big fans of putting humidifiers throughout the home, especially in our bedrooms, and having a smart humidity.

We've had this thing, the dro smart humidifier D R E O course. This links in the shown notes of mackie kept up come for all this. But this thing we've had IT for about a year, and IT is one of the best smart home gadgets that i've ever had because IT takes.

But for me that the reason I say that is because IT takes A A headache away. I don't have to think about IT anymore. I programme the thing to start a couple hours before we go to bed, and IT does this whole thing.

And then IT goes into dark mode. And about the time I go to sleep, IT runs while we're sleeping, and then IT stops in the morning. I will give me a notification if I need to refill the water. And just IT becomes a reactive thing instead of a pro active thing.

It's like, H, I get to grow up and turn on the humidifier before we go to bed, so that the bedrooms, this and psychic and otherwise you leave IT on all day and then you just burn through extra water. And so having the smart humidifiers ninety books and IT does a fantastic job. And of course it's it's smart in many ways, including you set the humidity, the desired humidity of the room and then IT IT regulates that.

It's not just kind of gone and nuts know the whole time I these things been great for us. I really like IT. So yes, yeah, I said, is that Prices good?

I agree, thinking I had to buy just, you know a humid fire because you're on them when you've got like when you're sick or whatever, right? And um I want to say that was at least forty or fifty box that I had to pay for one of those things and it's not smart. It's just turn .

IT on.

No, yeah I know it's a good, it's a good thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's X P?

Well here's one that um you know you could probably gets that listen to the show. You could probably give this to yourself and IT it'll make your wife happy lady to listen to the show. You've got that drawer with a million batteries, es and innocuous driver in a book of matches and that kind of stuff. The battery thing is was a constant thing around our home until last year when I actually bought one of these myself.

And i'm like, man, where have you been on my life? And it's the until battery daddy, battery organizer, storage case and IT comes with the text to tell you whether batteries good or not to throw away or keep IT and IT holds, I think something like a hundred eighty batteries, double, triple CD, nine invoice button cells. And that battery drawer is no longer the pain of our kitchen insistance.

Because that thing sits, it's a little expert, one foot by maybe ten inches in a little plastic suitcase with the clock cover so you can see how many batteries you have left of any given size down in the floor of our pending out of the way. And when I need a battery, guess what? I know exactly where they are. Go right to what I did. IT.

yeah, you don't have to dedicate a draw to this anymore.

Minute we're all the trip. Is that Better in blister pack is broken where all the trip let go. I know .

everywhere .

yeah yeah ah I I .

have worse. I don't have a draw. I have a shelf in the batteries are like fAllen off that thing, roll under the floor and I am ordering this now.

Yeah, when you go sit on sand as lap.

i'm probably ordering .

two of them. Yeah, yeah, that's great.

IT has been. It's one of those things that kind of buy and you go, go, wow, I didn't realize I needed this as bad as I do. Yeah.

can you go back to that that screen though? I have a question because IT looks like the hundred and eighty one is almost thirty box, but then they have a one fifty one for fifteen yep, that what's a difference.

IT holds less batteries .

but I mean only by thirty for half the Price if i'm really that renters at .

twenty eight fifty seven no it's fourteen ninety eight and twenty eight .

seven fourteen ninety eight for one .

hundred fifty .

battery one so I do not get two .

and one hundred and fifties ah it's tell IT is i'm looking but maybe doesn't have the teter.

I don't know maybe the recent features. That's what I was wondering .

if there's another one that that holds ninety three batteries for twenty five dollars. So yeah like the Prices are all over the place and I like the .

one that he was shown little he can Carry .

till one the one I have. And I really like IT and and you know what? That little battery tester is so much more accurate than I don't think people know. You can test the double a in a triple a by wedding your finger and still putting into your tongue and you'll taste a little salt. You go, okay, it's got IT, but you don't have no idea, unlike the nine point where we touched those to your tongue.

you go, I still do that. Yes, still do that.

That's still how I just .

yeah so what I was a kid yeah yeah hi.

what's next right? I I get what for again, i'm trying to I am sticking in the in the fun room. I like toys and games is stuffing that i'm also people might marry ment not know I am a developer and something i've always been the s of is people who can do like election electrical circuits and electronics and stuff like that.

And so i'm always trying to find ways to like, learn that. And this one is called the adventure kit, thirty days lost in space. It's now from a company called crafting table.

They used to be inventors that I O but what this is is this is a little, it's a little kit IT comes with, uh, rasberry pie hero, just a version of a ray high. And then a bread board and all of the circuits and lds and lights, all the bits and pieces and components. Um for those of us as old as I am, you might remember you it's like the it's like the modern version of the radio shack.

No, yes, electronic kids used to get as a kid, we read, put the little wires under the springs and they'd be A L, D that you could light up and stuff I got. This is the modern version of that. It's I think ninety seven box. But then what's great about IT is IT comes with A Q R code link to a series of videos. And basically the concept is your your lost in space, your spaceship is kind of gone down.

And you need to like, start fixing circuits and stuff like that so they walk you through, like you starting with the basics, like programing up black inky light and then moving on to all kinds of more advanced things where you're working with potentiometers and LCD panel, know building a lock code with a you know ten pin panel. And it's just really, really fun, great for kids who are interested in maybe learning programing and stuff like that. Um you know you plugged in into your mac and you use the standard of raspberry pie yeah I D E and stuff like that to uh program and IT teaches you to program and also teaches you to build the circuit tree and teaches you science. Bind IT would be great for um again kids and it's a tiny little kid that comes in a little case, it's all self contained. So you a great stocking stuff for actually if you're looking for something exit, it's really small little kit, but IT has all the bits and pieces and opponents you need to kit going.

Ha, that's cool. Game of fine.

I have one is an adult i've been running through and I love you. Yeah yeah. No, it's never too late to learn to. If it's something that you're interested, it's a good you .

know for yourself too. Yeah absolutely. yes. IT is never too late to learn. I just talked on gigg b, and the episode won't be out until really december. But talk to the guy who just decided to become a song writer in his fifties, like, which is a typical, if, if you like, to me, people start writing songs in their late teens and early twenty years. And if they don't start, then IT.

I think he might be the first person i've ever met that started in his late forties, early fifties and and now like, turn this ban from a cover band to original and so it's never too late to learn. That's a strong winded way of saying that yeah, cool. My next addition here is the songs just put out headphones for the first time, and people have been clamoring for the headphones from songs for a long time.

These are, you don't have to be. This could be your first sonos product, right? You don't have to be in the son's ecosystem to use them. These are excEllent headphones. The quality of them is like audio qualities is exactly what you would think no active noise canceling. There is a cool feature if you have a sono sound bar um they have a thing called TV audio swap where you can have the sound from your T V. Just automatically go to your um to your sonus which which is similar to what you can do if you have an apple TV with airports, right?

The one of my favorite parts about this is the case of them IT is super thin, which I love for like putting in my of my travel bag or whatever and then not and that IT IT opens up and the your phones are in there and they're just ready to rock like. So I don't know why more headphone vendors aren't making cases there. When I say superthin, it's maybe an ancient half thic like it's not a big bulky thing.

They fold flat in the in the case and then pop and turn them on. They are blue tooth and they have all the beginning the latest bluetooth tech. They sound fantastic and they're not they're not cheap. There are four forty nine, which is one hundred blocks last, and apples five forty nine for airports s max. so.

And you know, think for that extra box you could not get a case.

Oh, that's right. Oh yeah, that's right.

What the map is calls their their place, their little.

Yeah, that's right. yeah.

Thirty hours about novel idea, dave. Really expensive headphones and you you provide a really nice case that probably cost you about twenty bugs to make yeah maybe even less. And that's a not a knocked on the quality the case. But like coin is like we know how manufacturing works. Like you can makes something pretty decent .

for not this is a lot of cash. This is a decent case and and they found a way to include IT at a Price that's one hundred box less than apple. Well, you know you do not pay any apple tax but but yeah super comfortable like obviously high and travel headphones is where I would put these in the in the realm of things.

But I mean, they live up to to that to that that promise. I been i've used, I used to actually my train trip down a pet coming back. And I was like, house is so nice, so meet and and they've got the the utmost head tracking the all of those things to so you get you get that full real IT spatial audio right? IT IT works. It's great.

Yeah so so i've got a quick question. And IT may been a bit of a burbo tick, but IT sound like he said, no, no active noise .

cancelling. Oh, that i'm glad, glad you said that there IT does have active noise canceling OK. IT does. Yes.

I think you were going down in one path and then switched to active noise cancelling. I think so sounds like like he said, no active. Thank thank you.

Yes, okay, cool. yeah. So yeah. My son donated a pair of beats to the airlines last summer on our so would be a good that case would .

be a good thing to put an area pod, an area tag rather so. right? Yes.

great idea. IT IT .

charges with USB c IT also allows you to play audio over USB c so you can get lossless audio to these over USB c you can get lossless audio via bluetooth, but you have to be using it's not available on IOS yet. The the the the codec that's required for that is like the snap drag and adec thing, whatever is. It's only available on some android devices.

But wouldn't surprise me if eventually apple gets there with IOS because of, you know, loss is server blue truth IT would be a wonderful thing. And i'm sure IT is. I've never experienced IT because I don't have an android phone that supports the snapdragon approtec thing.

But you can get lost this over USB c and of course you can go from like a three and a half millimetre jack to USB c if you need to plug in on the airplane or whatever, like IT. All those things are are supported. All that stuff.

Yes, nice. right? Well, I would take us to a one that this kind of a repeat from last year.

We covered IT when right, I rode in about IT and I bought one and used that some this year. And then I had some difficulties with the VPN. And IT was out of favor, but i've got they updated their for more on IT.

IT is the G L. Dash I net barl x it's B E R Y L A X travel rather and IT IT looks that we don't get that out of the way. Um IT is wonderful little piece gear that I have created, the SSID that is the same as by home S S ID.

So when I get to the hotel I earned IT on and IT, I gives my computer screen to log in to the hotel flash page. And then all of my devices, my ipad, my iphone, my laptop, automatically connect as if I am at home. So that's one of the many good features of IT. Let's see what else um IT like I said, it's supports several commercial VPN nord VPN, P A V P N, all of those automatically. So it's easy to get those in their IT Operates on the open rt firm where Lucy, so you can get in there and really get granular on how you wanted to perform. It's got a two in and a half gig bit wanna a gig a bit land port um and here and was looking around for some information on IT came up with a great idea you can power IT with a battery pack on an airplane and instead I haven't to pay you know forty books or eighty books to get your entire family wifi connected on airplane by one wifi connection and your entire family can use can use that network on the airplane and and your kindle .

will get online because he knows your home like that trick. I I want to reaching that light because this is a great trick. Giving your travel router the same I D password as your home network is the key to this because then you just connect this and you're done. This sounds we tried this and you got you had this last year and we tried IT in vegas and IT was with mixed results. Sounds like they've up the game of the former on this substantially over the last year.

I think so. And I was looking at A A video of a guy who is using IT. Now I remember we were canted about twenty mega bits in each direction, but I think that was the that was like the hotel cap.

And therefore, as we begin to use at each one of our machines came down a little bit. So so that was there. But yeah, I saw a video online of a guy using this, and he was getting easily nine hundred mega bits OK up, down. Yeah, because he connected IT to his home.

rather short. Yeah, connecting eating adversus, connecting IT was the wifi reading in our CEO that was not so great in that beauty.

He did the same thing in the wifi repeater and he was still up in the three four hundred range. So IT was, yeah, I think the hotel was limiting us to twenty make a big percent something type of IT. But you in which you know we could each get twenty on our own machines if we go into .

the water we were counted in. That's right. IT was that the hotel limited each wifi device to twenty megahits.

And because this was seen as one, we were sharing that pipe. That's right. That but still a wonderful piece .

of gear because IT just makes IT nice. I'm able to watch youtube TV in dubai because .

because you VPN into your house, I V P N into the house.

I mean, you could do that with others, but then your turn is the VP off and that sort of thing. And you know, it's still painting now IT won't let me wash the local networks because the laptop and IOS devices, all youtube TV demands to know your .

location. Yes, yes, they have to. I think that's part of the license. So yeah yeah .

interesting.

interesting.

watch. Don't watch the network that much.

right? right? Yes, I watched the network through channels, no matter where I am, works good with the same.

Yeah, I do the same. yeah. So but the TV everywhere doesn't let me watch. Then the movie channels, I will get those .

correct in channel. Very good point. yes. So you ve got a baLance back.

And for, oh yeah, that makes sense. Yeah yeah cool. awesome. Um great. My next contribution, which I think is my last, at least as far as I have on my list, is something we have had for a very long time in our house.

And as our kids moved to their own homes on the other side of the state and on the other side of the world, we made sure to get them these. This is the skylight frame. Um IT is i've tested a lot of the different digital photo frames.

It's the wifi connected photo frames that you can there's an APP you can use to send photos to IT. You can also just forward photos to an email address that you set up with skylight and that also work. So what whatever way you want to do IT and IT is simple.

IT just works. When new photos come in, they just get part of the rotation and IT will expire. Old ones out, you know. But it's supports to ten like eight thousand photos on the original one, which is what we all have.

The ten original they do now have a fifteen and the ten original is available for hundred and forty bugs that they have a new fifteen inch frame that is I think about one eighty nine and or may be little more. And then they've got the skylight frame to which supports video and some other things like sort of baked into IT. But so there's different, different versions and sizes, but we all have the teenage versions in our in our respective homes, and it's awesome.

It's a really cool way. A we just get to see family photos or whatever photos we want for us, it's mostly family photos just on rotation in the kitchen. But if you know our daughter in italy, take some pictures and he can just forward those to the frame.

And now we've got those and IT just appears for us and it's like, oh, there's a little gift like a frame shows up at that. You have no photos tapped the thing on the frame and IT shows us the new pictures. I go look there, there's sky and yeah, it's cool.

M A really is one of my favorite uses of of technology to just kind of bring us all closer together in a very low friction way. Just send the pictures and you're done. And I often sit like in my hotel room midnight, like when we're at disney. I would sit my hotel room at night after I took a bunch of pictures me like in a these often and then we get home and there's like you know forty new pictures from all the days that we were a disney going to pulled together and sick yeah but we just got back and now we can see those photos IT IT makes that process just, and it's on all the time in our kitchen, which which is kind of part of the thing I love, just there like a photo would be. so.

Ah you gave her daughter similar to that when you want to college. And so but problem you gotta remember to put the photo, mail the photos to her. It's actually that's how we do IT is we email, send to email, let us.

And so very cool. yes. okay. Well, I think we've talked about some version of this before or not.

The one I have is the wonder boom. I've got the wonder boom three, which is a little portable speaker. It's about the size of the softball. The one to moon for is now out, which is USB c as I recall, this one is a us micro USB, okay, charging thing, but many, many, many hours on IT IT is parable with the other wonder bomb. So you could do a stereo set up.

My first question is, i'm walking up the stairs of the airplane to my first he's about to do the walk around his classic rock er country like he's like, what are you talking about? And then I have this set up, so we have a nice music. I use my serious exam APP on my ipad and play music while we're doing to set up.

Sometimes you're sitting there for an hour hour a half waiting to go and so you get, you know a nice little music feed and and the sound on IT is fantastic. The the plus in the negative on of those are actually volume control button ool. So lue, I described .

for people how big IT is if they're .

not watching the video. Again, probable a little bit but totally waterproof IT uh can toit in water and IT would be fine. It's got a little bit of a um uh I guess they call IT the harness or a tether. It's elastic.

Oh okay but man.

IT is strong. I had outside of my backpack and with A Q and so IT doesn't taking up valuable space inside my backpack and you know I think pause and continue power button on the front paws and continue in the center. And a blue tooth pairing now forcing peering mode.

I an ultimately, which is now to my large attack. yeah.

So I think the ultimatum, then what I did is I took some gold. Sharpie on the bottom with my phone number and my and there .

go information in all that.

Yeah so so I could get IT back. And I actually had a different speaker, not the wonderful OOM. I had a different speaker go all the way to, and in china once.

did they get back to me? Oh.

nice talk about three months, but I get back to me very close.

Probably could use that loop to hang one of those air tags off of.

Not a bad idea at all.

哦， yeah, I do IT all yes. Then you know where I was. Well, I was making its way back to you. Yeah, interest.

I include a glued in your tag using that rubber case thing to the back of my kindle and got to a hotel room one night. Went and is IT IT fAllen down in between the seat in the bulk tt on the airplane and they're at at and I was able to fortune was able to go back and get at the airplane had not left as yet. But it's good.

good. Yeah like trudging .

out to the airport. I want a clock in the .

morning .

because you could glue in your tag to the bottom that somebody makes little pouches. I think that you can get your tagged that have like double sticky, super strong yeah.

it's actually one of those little rober pouches that I glued and then i'd stuck the year, tagg in that so to the bottom of the kindle. But I use the e six thousand glue. It's deck glue is amazing. AAA coming off.

Cool, cool. Now, well, folks, send us your and I well, first of all, I will include the elevation lab sticky adhesive air tag mount in thing is available for thirteen box on amazon. I'll put the links to that in the show and that looks like.

that looks like it's one of its water is IT waterproof of your tags. Stick on holder. So IT completely seals in the year tag. Yeah, that's cool.

People say that a surface mounted on your biker, your paddleboard, somebody he's got IT on just to show that actually pretty. The picture of the paddy bar is the origami pad ler, which is the the foldable, foldable tia's. At least I have you.

But yeah, put IT on your skies. Oh, what a great idea. Oh yeah huh? Got a screw top design. That's how stays waterproof hua fanta.

Asic.

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Get to some questions. Yeah, I can start us off. China has won for us, says my nearly knew to me. Laptop suddenly has virus pop up, but no virus can. Is finding what IT is help please.

I think I know what this is. Go into safari settings, websites, notifications and look at that list often. And it's usually at the top of the list is a site with no name. So IT doesn't list like a urol or even a an IP address. And the icon is often like systems. The same icon is system settings that is usually where these kinds of things that act like they're a virus but aren't actually a virus and they're trying to get you to click the link to bring you to some website where you're gonna wind up you eventually giving up your data, whatever, right.

And usually it's, I mean, you agreed to let this website show you notifications, but man, like I wind up doing that all the time because we're so used to agree to cookies now that you see the little pop up come up and you, like, you just allow, allow, allow, just move on, move on. I wind up going into this partisan heri probably once a month, just to clear out the things that I accidentally said yes to. But but when you see those things in a virus scan, can't find a safari notifications look like system notifications because they are system notifications and they can try to trick you into this. So my guesses is that's where this is. That's my guess.

Can war rears its ugly head again? I can you into yeah I believe in something just they need so yeah .

I just so this also .

just be a should you also .

probably check to make sure somehow you haven't allowed a certain website to do just like pop up that could have be a standard just like I could, sorry, like pop up window.

like, oh, I sit like pop under or pop ups like that. Yes, IT. But the site would have to be open for that to happen. Like in one ABS i've .

seen IT where, god, so where i've seen this happen on legitimate websites is legitimate websites use ad services. And ad services often are now pretty much automated rate. So it's like an add network where people just go bid for ads and that sort of thing. And hackers or con people will inject bad ads with bad code into ad networks so you're on, I don't know, see an end or whatever website, legitimate website, a ad load and then the ad runs that malicious pop .

up code yeah, guess that yes yeah yep so yeah, that could be a yep, yep, yep. Just another yeah I think .

you're probably onto the notification. The thing is probably more correct bit. I'd also check, you know make sure you have an accidentally allowed some because maybe you at one of the legitimate site to give you a pop up and at some point in the past year, like yeah you know like this apple websites that I go to everyday, I I want to see a pop up oh, whatever reason .

yeah I I have there are some in there that in that list that are on and i'd leave them on. But I I find for me it's I I wind up is turning you know saying yes and it's the yes the allow click of regret so be careful about the folks read .

those pop PS yes, save victim to pop up fatigue, yes, or notification fatigue or whatever we're going to call IT yep and it's only going .

where did you say delete those? I was trying to look because we would get the agenda. I'm going to head on the agenda. So I missed did you say delete those or did you say put deny because I have several listed in my notifications that I have deny. I know you want come back well .

that's the thing is usually yeah if you hit deny and IT won't ask you the next time you go there that which is probably a Better way to do IT. But but yeah I often wind up just deleting them so no just to keep it's I don't know but you're right like that wouldn't be a bad way to to do IT in the that way when you you go if if IT is a website that you visit on the regular yeah not that good stuff and I am even finding them on this.

Now i'm getting distracted because i'm looking on this computer here and finding things and say that I don't really want those like there's so thank you. I just denied apple ser. Why did IT come back to allow? Now it's gone, just not on this computer.

I don't want, this is my podcast machine. Don't, don't need the news. thanks. No, thanks. yeah. All right.

Uh, now I need to get out of that so that I can find dance. Question for U. P.

Dan asked, says, I love the shown and the three of you have brought a nice newer spin to IT to great. I'm glad to hear. Thank you for saying that then word always looking to kind of keep things moving forward.

Dan says, I have a twenty, nineteen, twenty seven inch imac. Uh, the last of the intel's. I use IT only for personal use documents, media organizations surfing the web. My last imac I kept for nine years.

Is there any advantage for me to upgrade to a mini m four? Now I go back and forth in my head, whether to try to get the money together now and pull the plug, or just write this one out for another couple of years and then get the newest then. Thanks for any advice.

OK dian, they got your note pad. Write this down because here's clearing answer. IT depends.

Sorry, I had to do IT IT depends. so. And IT does, I mean, this is the most personal questions. And he says what he uses IT for in the one that kind of caught my eyes. Media organization, okay, you do an handbrake and that sort of thing, then maybe you do want to upgrade.

And I when I rode back to then, I told him of the story of why I upgraded from my until mac to my first macbook pro with an apple silicon ship in IT, which was my nephew showed up at the house with a base macbook air m one. And that thing absolutely smoke the benchMarks on my macbook pro. I'm like, oh my, this is amazing.

So I upgraded right away because I wanted the people to use handbreadth, convert M, K, V to M, P, force and do that sort of thing and do IT quickly and efficiently. So if if, what are you going to do is web surf and email and write some documents in pages, and perhaps use numbers for spread sheet, anything? I'd keep that beautiful twenty seven and I mac going as long as I could know.

And what a beautiful monitor. I mean, you know, some of the age when the largest TV you could get in your home was a twenty five inch four hundred ninety nine color console that was a heavy piece of furniture. Now you've got this ultra high definition, beautiful monitor that you could convert that into eventually.

I so I love that. I love that machine. And I would keep IT if that's all you using IT, if you're going to do any heavy crushing. And you will not be disappointed with the m series of chips that apple points out. So how's that a clear definite maybe .

I agree hundred .

percent with peak. Um I am rocky right now a twenty nineteen you know was as a good sixteen and you can remember with the size macpro um and I am going to write this machine until he dies dies before i'm going to replace IT. I mean in tel is just completely absolute, but IT IT runs the current Operating system.

IT does everything I need to do. I can still record and edit pod gas on IT, which is probably the heavy lifting I do these days. Um yeah I mean, until you have a need for IT, I feel like you're really Better off waiting.

And then the answer is when you do need a machine, for whatever reason, I knew machine by the machine at that moment because another question that comes up with this is like should I wait because there's a new one around the corner? No, buy the machine when you need IT by the most of everything that you can get. Because that's another common question.

How much storage, how much I am by what you can afford, the best machine you can afford for the time that you need IT and then move on with your life. And that's like legitimately the answer in my in every single time. Don't wait, don't worry, don't go. What if there's going to be something Better around the corner? Get the machine you need when you and you get, and the most machine that you can reasonably afford, like don't go into debt to get you know extra staff, get the best one that you can afford and then enjoy IT until the next time you need to do the same thing.

I I I also agree, in fact, I can sort of speak more specifically to this because that computer that dan is talking about is exactly what I had in front of me up until that lightning event in our network od year and a half ago. And IT still .

all and .

IT turned and i'm super protected here, like i've learned so much living in this house. The direct berry cable taught me a lot either in IT cable tap me lot about how lighting works, but that event taught me more about how lightning works. And IT doesn't matter that everything is surge protected, both dc and ac.

If the lightning is close enough to the device, IT just fries IT through the air. And there's nothing you could have done about IT. So in at high, but two max in one week and and then a lot of romney. So but like that's the computer that I had here and I still sits on the flow of my office because I mentioned recently, you know I have this that like I believe that I will come back to life. I know that's ridiculous.

I just got to get rid of IT, but it's crazy because the hardware in there, it's the monitor that died on that when the back light for the monitor, if I shine a flash that I can actually kind of get to work. It's not really optimal for like work or anything else. But IT was optimal for getting data off of IT.

So that was good. But and I think I did one show once I got IT set up. I did one show with the imac, that imac right here with the dead screen, and then a monitor in front of IT that was mirrors, the IMAX screen so that I could function on this thing.

While I was still trying to get the max studio that I replaced with, there's a whole thing, but I would still have that mac, like I would not have replaced IT yet. I I did not need to until IT stopped functioning. And then I was like, okay, well, I could pay a bunch of money to replace the backlight on this, or I could just buy a new computer.

And I was like, a all upgrade to apple silicon. It's not the worst thing to happen to the studio. And B, I can do that and be done by the end of the day versus the imac repair would have have taken longer and I would have had to kind of come up with a new workflow for doing podcast for a few days. And like all of that so I again and right just the so um yes keep IT your advice. I am then used to pat I right there keep after and then when you have to go out and you will .

like the apple one ship and chips that .

yeah are amazing .

yeah it's amazing. Yeah.

yeah, yeah. It's a whole different world. IT really is A A and I will say, especially on a laptop, I do.

I notice the difference between apple silicon and intel here in the studio sometimes, but not like functionally IT. All is just kind of the same like that machine was faster than I needed IT to be. Also this ones even like way faster bit. It's rare that i'm pegging the CPU for any link to time, so didn't really matter. But on the laptop with battery life.

that's where it's gonna a huge difference. A lot of people, yeah .

yeah it's .

shocking. Ah yeah it's an almost special livable, right yeah it's like .

different battery technology even though IT isn't .

right yeah it's just more efficient ah yeah .

I have I have to run away until plug in like i'm lucky if I get two hours to enough hours of battery that thing no, I mean that I probably needs a new battery, but i'll going to do machine .

before I get a new battery that's the thing is like, yes. And so perhaps what you know what I was saying about the screen replacement, you're saying about the battery replacement like that is at this time, I don't want to say it's the right way. IT is our way of thinking about these things like it's fine.

IT works. There is no need to replace IT. But i'm also not going to put money into extending its life.

But would I do that with an apple silicon machine? Or would I have done that five years ten years ago, five years ago um with an intel machine to extend its life? Probably yes.

Like that is the differentiator. Knowing that I had apple silicon to go to from that imac versus just spending whatever he was going to be, you know, seven hundred box or something to get the screen working again. Five years ago, hundred, one hundred percent would have just spent seven hundred box and done that.

But now, like what I can make the jump and now i'm all apple silicon and that's great. So that's that's a good point at them. I like that, right? So moving on. P.

yeah, yeah. Ah so Roger in the U. K, rates in and says, why does the return key on the mac send a message in messages, but IT doesn't on the ipad or the iphone? It's so easy to accidently send a partly completed message.

Roger, feel your pain. I, when that happens, think that there's an undecked now, but so easy to send a partly completed messages, a result by accidentally hitting the return key instead of backspace. I know I would love to know if there is a definite solution, as keyboard moyo doesn't appear to be the answer. Great pod casters tips. Thank goodness you guys produce IT, Roger.

So I think keyboard mystery might be the answer. I had never thought about trying to solve this problem. I just, I just walk around IT shift.

Return is the thing on the mac that will give you a return. I inside of a message similar to what tapping the return, but on iphone will do. So I am, I tried to be aware, but I fail.

Sometimes i'm typing a message is going to shift return IT. IT requires extreme tal cycles. And so I started thinking about keyboard, my stroke. And what if I said a thing where in keyboard my, I haven't tried this, but in keyboard my strong said, you know, a mro, uh, that only works inside of messages. So IT doesn't do anything when messages is not the front most APP and IT captures IT uses the return key as a trigger and sends shift return to messages and then use another macro same set up except its trigger would be shift return and IT sends return. So essentially swapping the use of those two uh, keyboard you know, keystrokes yeah I think that would work.

What about i've never tried to remap in keyboard my story, but Better touch .

tool will also allow yeah one .

yes yeah idea okay you like you say, you know, I never thought of trying to solve that problem. I just knew I was a problem. And I can tell you how many times I ve used the undo sand, which I like yeah but which is also sometimes difficult to get that that menu to come up. But um I think it's there because they did them were expected need to need paragraphs within messages one one hundred and forty two characters limited when I was first designed and .

that was twitter.

But I know I was twitter, but I thought messages was also limited when I was first.

Oh, like missing this maybe back in the day. And I don't know S, M, S, had a text limit now, but I, it's funny. I use the shift return, softer turn, whatever it's called all the time in all kinds of places. Um so i'm just condition to use IT like I I immediately use IT in most messaging apps. So that wasn't a hard muscle memory for me to learn.

I used IT a lot, but I still managed to forget IT and send a half big message sometimes, I think. And if you send at someone with an android phone, they got IT. You on't fall in that one back. You not going unring that bill dave looks deep .

and fat yeah when looking in keyboard my stroll right now to see I thought and maybe i'm just obviously i'm doing too many things at once but I thought there was a way to say only yeah only oh you can create a group and um in keyboard my strong that only oh no it's yeah you say available in these yes when you create a group which is the far left thing, it's like a folder of macro s and you so I will make a group called the messages group and a and then you say in that available not in all applications but available only in the message application and then inside of the group I would make those two macro O S that change the way the thing work so yes that's that's how we do right? So it's not .

you have to .

make sure good yeah.

And then you have to make sure keyboard mostly is one of your log in programs or that you start up before you try doing this. So so that is there and functioning for you.

Well, I mean, no, yes and no keyboard. My store will IT runs an engine in the background full time IT, so you don't need the APP running. The APP is just to configure in controller markets, but then you quit that and the at the engine runs in the background all the time. Now certainly you need to let IT run the engine yeah but that sort of an automatic thing, you don't need to go out of your way to do that keyboard. My shoes is running all the i'm on on my max.

The engine is that the APP is only running when i'm like, you know distracted and then doing things that I shouldn't be doing but um well in podcasting but I really kind of you to try IT but anyway so I might i'm gona ask but if you have ideas, folks, feedback and I have a com like like you said pete, you keyboard adminstrations the only APP to do this, a Roger mentioned that he had IT. So I think that would be the way to think about this. And I know I got kind of energy, but I mean, we're Maggie up so that's great.

yes. Impression at a paul in the chat asked that he said we'd love and update on your vision pro usage. How is that going? Are you using IT out of?

It's a easy question answer. IT sits at the box next to my chair and I kind of look down at IT. That's really cool. Yeah that's that's my usage .

that that is mostly really .

take books for, take IT out to show show the friends. I have no interest in selling IT again. I I I want to be very clear. I absolutely love this device.

Um I ve been waiting for updates and I know the beta for the two point two that does the wider screen virtual screen thing I definitely want to play that I haven't done IT yet. Again, it's beta like it's taking a long time for apple to kind of put updates out for this thing. We already talked about the fact that I think there's not enough support in the developer community for this, but it's the chicken and egg thing.

It's like, well, people have them for developers to want to do anything with them vice first, like people don't know what to do with them because they're enough apps for the things the technology is amazing is still, by far, my favorite way to watch movies I do. I do watch on IT. I haven't recently just because there hasn't been a movie i'm been really interested in like emerging myself into recently let's come out recently um I guess maybe I could try dead blum movers, but I saw that twice in the theater already.

So yeah but i'm sure i'll do that at some point. I am trying to get back into exercising. So I talked about the cool. I can't remember the name of the APP now, but I did not load IT and I purchased a year subscription for IT for it's like one of those punch beat apps where you play music and you you know do virtual boxing thing in that the way like .

IT is an amazing.

amazing piece of technology. I think it's again still the best A R experience you can get in anything that's on the market right now. As far as I know, I haven't tried a lot of the other stuff that from I watch a lot of people who talk about this stuff and try all the kids and headsets and they all kind of say that.

So I believe that to still be true um although you know people are catching up. So that's a good thing though because I think what IT leads to is whatever the next generation is in, the next generation is down mine. I bought this device knowing that I was going to be an early adopter and all of these things were going to be true, that I was probably going to sit unused a lot of the time.

But I love the fact that I have IT. I was able to afford IT. I didn't buy an iphone for year so that I could have extra money to put towards this.

Like IT was a conscious purchase and conscious all the way through to knowing that, you know, there spend many times in life what it's like. I want to have the the very first piece of an apple technology. You know, this is like my i'm at the age now, like I had.

I been at the age where I could have afforded the very first mac. I would have bought one of those things that never like what I thirty five hundred dollars in one thousand and eighty four like. That's crazy. And and they didn't do much, let's be honest.

They did not do a or a lot of stuff. It's true. IT IT, you're right. That's a really i'd love I love that analogy because the first mac that came out, you can do work on IT and certainly can do work on on this. But the most of the people, even the companies that bottom were buying IT for what IT could be and the vision of what IT was. Yes, it's interesting.

This is my supporting and early adopting technology that I just and it's cool out of the gate. And then the mac was cool for its time out of the gate. That was amazing piece technology.

And so I I was at a point in my life, i'm able to do IT like, I have IT like, if I was really smart, I would bought two and left one in the shrink wrap. And then twenty years sell IT for like a couple hundred thousand dollars, right? Because you know that I mean, because not a lot of people at these.

they still do that.

Super rare. I probably should like, I am smart. Not a bad investment. Probably .

probably yeah ah yeah but no.

I mean, again, I and I end again. Like here's the thing, this version of IT is not going to be obsolete .

in three years.

So when he does go main's dream, right? Yeah and I think it's still gonna good. Like I I don't see it's gonna features in IT that the inexpensive version will not have for years, right? yes.

So they're going to be taking things away when they make IT cheaper. It's gonna be the first versions will be that the less expensive versions will be less than. But in terms some of the technologies is like it's going to have a Better processor and some of those things, but like it's not going to have some of the other features, right?

We know that they have to take certain things out to get the cost down, at least in the short term. So i'm talking a year, two years like what the next version or next version might be. But those are the versions that will then bring more developers and more apps and more functionality.

And i'll have the thing to already. I'll just use my thing until you know, five years, ten years, I replace IT, whatever the next cool thing is, just like I do with my mac. So I don't feel like dupr or bad about IT.

It's just I don't have the other thing is I don't have an m one max. So the screen thing IT works of my intel one, but it's very slow and kind of choppy. So when I get upgrade my mac, which I eventually will do, I will probably use that feature more too.

So I do have my work one, so I will try that you know with the data. Now that the data out, I just haven't yet, and i'm sure that's going to be amazing and that's probably going to change my initial experience of IT with trying to use IT. As for work IT, IT was kind of limiting in how the screens were set up. And really, if I am going use IT for work, I couldn't need to read how my day top set up is because I have two monitors in front of me now. And it's really weird to have a virtual monitor in two unique yeah, yeah, yeah.

yeah. Your work environment would adapt if you were using this full time or you know much of well.

I mean, really the way that's designed to be used as I have my laptop in front of me and I open the screen and now I have yeah screaming sy, it's not the way I have to know where my laptops were here, clam shelled and I have to displays in front of me. I going to want to overlay a display over my other display. Ys, would be weird. So.

yeah, cool. Thank you. Yeah.

this way of evidence? No, look at what the apple T. V was. IT came out as a pretty monkey media server. And now it's ubiquity.

I mean, there's apple TV ebs on the fire T V stick and the rock stick and the apple TV itself. The fork is an amazing little be secure. So i'm sure that, that vision pro is going on there.

Yeah yeah.

Makes sense. I don't get there just again, but I I I just want to be honest when people ask not using i'm not using IT.

hardly at all. Not yes, fair, sure. Yeah, yeah, right. I have we have two things and they don't get caught. Uh, segment for today. The first and I wanted to make sure we get to these because, well, here, the first one is from listening, Scott.

He says I had a chance to test messages via satellite over the weekend and, uh, he says he really turned out to be a hassle and I figured out why. Once we were at a cell coverage, but I had a view of the sky, I got the prompt on my phone if that I could use the satellite, offering me messages, find my and roadside assistance as well as emergency SOS, he said. However, tapping the use messages via satellite but did nothing other than the button responded by highlighting.

So I knew I was getting my button press going into the network settings control panel, I realized that satellite was still off. I thought, though I clearly indicated, and up, down, carrot IT was not a pull down menu. Tapping IT brought me back to that same screen.

So he tried to turn satellite on and IT would not work. No amount of looping around would get IT. To initialize the satellite connection screen, my hiking partner was able to connect and send a message while five feet away from me.

So I knew I was something about my phone. I finally figured that out. I run tail scale as an on demand VPN all the time.

Tail scale leaving IT on demand leaves the VPN switch on in settings. You can guess where this is going. Disabling the VPN allowed the satellite connection to initiate as Normal. So if you are someone who runs a VPN often or all the time on your phone, know that at least right now, messages via satellite for one person anyway did not work with the VPN being active.

I've used message to be a satellite I there's my son lives about two hours away on the other side of the state and there is a um there is a stretch of road right before his town where for about fifteen minutes we don't get any cell servers for kind of driving through the new hampshire. We call on mountains, but the hills and yeah and and so a couple of weekends ago, this and I were driving across, he was driving, I was in the car, and I saw the satellite thing came up. And I like all great, like my son is dirty, like us and so is like I get to test this with them.

And IT IT worked and IT worked at sixty miles an hour. I was kind of shocked that you know, IT was able to hang onto the connection. IT wasn't just have to stand in one spot that if you say I needed to get IT near the window of the car but um but he was fairly trivial to make the thing work.

I was I was pretty impressed and I was able to get messages back from him like we were able to communicate, which was pretty cool. And that was I think that was when I was, oh, no, maybe I was running the beta. I don't think I think I was a beta feature at the time may, but I don't think IT was. but.

GPS things with, he had six hundred knots, so six should have been first time.

But yeah, but did G, P S is one way like, you know, you know yeah, but you're right, you're right. G, P, S was also being used via satellite in the car to tell us where we were. So yeah.

that's just like looking at the moon. See how the moon was the place it's been so far away. So but yeah, I just, yeah, I got that prompt other day in the airplane, I was jump city to work and I look down and say, oh, you don't have any coverage. You can send messages now OK and it's but .

it's free for now. You're going to start charger now yeah now my guess is at the frequency that we three buy iphones. IT will probably be included for us for for a long time. Yep.

that's my my guess is that IT gets rode into the top end apple cloud prime right now.

Now I agree with you. Yeah yes, you're because .

satellite band with any cheap roque k story. I was over central china the first time we had set phone coverage in our airplanes twenty years ago, and I was relief pilot and captain cycle. You need to play with IT, see how that works. And that's when I discovered that once you put your home phone number into the set come systems on our airplanes, it's in there .

and there's no way to .

delete IT. Like great. Yeah and then couple couple days later, that same cap and I both happened to be an instrument ground school and they were like, you know don't make calls on these phones because you're like my books a minute or saying to the chief pilot and said, you know me koa, sorry about that and he actually was really good about IT because, okay, you learn how to use the system and now that you've told me about IT, I don't get surprised in a meeting and i'll take care of IT don't worry about IT don't never .

what yeah course yeah, yeah, yeah that's great. Yeah yeah.

yeah yeah. I mean, that teller band with is not cheap stuff, so but other communication problems I had this week under donate caught Davis. I was using the V, P, A private internet access VPN, and a kid knows at my tail scale, whenever I log on to VPN, my tail skill alert me that IT wasn't logging into the system anymore.

And I noticed that I couldn't send messages and I couldn't send emails, but I could web browse and that kind of stuff. And that just going on here, I did all kinds of trouble shooting. I tried using the split tunnel saying, and hey, you let male go through, let messages go through.

And IT still wasn't working. And I did stuff across the answer by turning off the kill switch, and which you then turned around and found that is is a known issue. Had I just done a google surge instead of use google food instead to find a troubleshoot using ChatGPT interactive troubleshooting, I probably would have found that issue a whole lot sooner. But for whatever reason, they kill switch in pa VPN. When you enable .

that IT works. Yes, yes.

there is zero leakage. And for whatever reason, messages in mail and tail scale are seen as leaks by P, I, A. And therefore IT kills IT.

IT does not let those communicate. So once I turned the kill switch off, I was still connected to the VPN. But I get everything back.

Tail scale, mail and and messages works just fine. I can only presume and assume that was work. Oh, in the other thing that I was screwing ing up IT was dn S. I could only use in my built in I S P S DNS IT would not even use p dn s. Interesting.

which doesn't .

make sense to me. But you know um what .

you actually or was IT was IT was IT capturing that in routing IT to p DNS no .

IT no IT IT was saying that would only use my my isp s DNS which is in in video video there at home and if I if I said hey use PS DNS and then try to go to ahoo or go go or any web, nothing for no, they would just sit there and standing which table.

I have found that in every different VPN has a different version of of kill switch functionality. And I have found all of them to cause me more headaches than I believe IT is worth. I understand the value of not. And if I were somewhere where IT really mattered in place, where, like, the government is checking everything, I mean, I know that probably happens here, but is different. The consequences are less apparent, let's put in that way.

But know if I was somewhere where I felt like I need to be a hundred percent sure that nothing leaks and of course I would turn IT on but as as a default, I I have found IT to be A A headache that's especially true when traveling and on different weird network like, I don't know. So I don't leave the kills switch on, but I will use the VPN. And in theory, the kell's, which is supposed to only impact those moments when the VPN isn't yet running, right? IT shouldn't be doing like once you're connected to the V P, N, you're connected to the VPN, the kill switch should be out of the way.

As I understand. IT like IT shouldn't be doing anything once the VPN connection is established. But IT yet and yet that is not how IT works.

yes. So that's why I turned IT off. It's like I just make sure the VP s on and then it's like it's it's like I conflicts with itself. That's the part that kind of makes my head gold the haywire.

So maybe i'll send this segment to the a private internet access folks that are friends they are, let them know that you've got at least two nerds who experience exactly the same issue with and lots of other people on the internet, to your point, right about searching on google versus ChatGPT. I have found I recently because I have a paid chat P T. account.

I recently got the and that you probably did to ChatGPT now has search built into IT, right? So but I have found that I need to tell IT to search the internet for things like I use IT when i'm bringing guests on gig gab or whatever. Know if I don't just know what to ask them.

I last check G, B, T, like, hey, i'm having so and soul on the show. Give me, you know, I would would like stories on the show. Give me you.

Are there any good stories that this person has told we're alured to before that we might be able get? And i'll ask that question and I will come up with like very generic answers and then I like, right? And I tell IT searched ed the web to find any same question.

Do IT again the same question. Do IT again at this time also use your web surge? And in like a hundred percent of the time, IT comes back with, oh, well, there's this story and this story in this story is okay.

But why don't you do? Like to me is as the user, there's no different. I don't care that you have weird walls in your logic that keep rid of IT. Just you told me searches there ahead.

So what I wonder know is after you do that and it's going out and slip the internet for that information, if you ask again what happens without the search, the web part, my guess.

as IT learned.

there is a abroad, importantly, isn't allowed to learn.

I mean, certainly it's allowed to learn in that they just slip data all the time. But I IT routinely tells me that is not in my data store. That was up to date as of october twenty, twenty three. So like I have to tell .

you asking is by you deliberate asking, because maybe I can IT didn't slept. But now you ve deliberately told that go out to the internet, look for information about .

this individual. yeah.

Consume that information, process IT and give IT to me. yeah. So now presumably IT has gone out to the internet. T if I had as so IT has now as of the date you asked, the question.

of course, is just for that session or does IT become part of the different knowledge? Yeah, i'll have to expect it's a great question. I don't know the answer to IT. yes.

Yeah yeah. But become part of the general knowledge if I was gonna ventus p that anyway, right?

I, I, I have found myself rethinking how I write queries so that I prompt IT to do that right the first time. Then right is, you know, my version right? Yeah, yeah, so yeah, yeah.

And circle back real quickly to a comment you made at the beginning in this, and which is about, you know, government surveilLance in such. So think about five of the year. Well, you know, governments that watching you are what have made dave naves at IT.

But so I just finished reading book poor. I think IT is of the jack to the jack car throttle. He was a nav co.

Who decided he wanted to be an author. So he wrote a book and he got a published, and then he had crispbread act in the terminal list on prime. And I mean, this is everything the guy touches, turns to gold, and it's fantastic. So but book for us in the blood talks about AI and quantum computing and where the government is. He doesn't give any details, but he did essentially say, knowing what I know of what this government knows about us, I never want to send another email, their search website life. And like you know, he knows an off a lot of stuff and though his books are so accurate because he's been there and done that and I get the feeling that know he somewhere at some point he kind of got a glimpse of what's going on and went, oh, they get at .

all and then so yes so yes.

if we have this technology, they have this technology b to several years in invades of us getting IT. So yeah to say that yeah that's right.

No, it's it's true. I had that i've talked to Better on the show, but I had that experience when I cross the border from the canada into the us. On the the rainbow bridge. I think .

the rainbow, no, yeah, yeah. So we all .

be my driver's license or something. And they said, are right.

Well, and this was a tiny little shack in like the, obviously, you know, northern york it's it's niaga palls where we were and women like, fine, you got frustrated after a long thing that i'll spare you all from and what's your a name in place of birth? City of birth? And I told her and shit taps SHE is like, yeah, you're good and I was like, this was one thousand nine ninety five and I was like, you have access that fast to every human who is A U.

S. citizen. And i'm sure far more than that. Because SHE was I get I see you like there's there's a lot of us oh man OK yeah I just moved on. I didn't say anything but IT was the same kind of moment like um I don't you wonder .

how you get on the no fly list day yes.

exact. That was the day I do want to uh so on that note on that positive note A I do want to share that my keyboard myst roo macros for swapping return and shift return work and I put a screen shot of them in r or of one of them. And you can just lip IT in our discord for the live chat so you can go see IT there.

But this is exactly as I explaining IT works, and I sent a note to ataman pete and tested IT. And it's for amazing. So thank you for all of your questions and can contributions to our gift guide.

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Don't take any wood nickles. There's I feel like there's there's baby. One thing we could say that sort of encapsulates everything i've said.

And then p, what is? What is? What is? What is your shirts say?

Well, I can read IT says, don't get caught.

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