Is iPad a Spork? iOS 26 Liquid Glass Criticism, OpenAI $200M Defense Deal
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Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. This week, more features coming out from the iOS 26 betas, but Jason and I are going to get into Liquid Glass. Is it actually good design and is it too early to judge it? Also, Craig Federighi did an interview with Federico Vittici, I actually pronounced all of that correctly, about the iPad and why it shouldn't be a spork. We're going to get into that. Plus, OpenAI made a deal with the Department of Defense, threads getting more into the Fediverse and more.

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slightly different location and my friend jason nathan coming from his usual location how's it going jason you're at the outdoor apple park studio podcast studio now is that what this is this is i'm on a mountain hence the opening movie quote which did you happen to know what movie that's from it's um it's uh it's it's elf no it's not elf it's no it's will ferrell it is ron burgundy what's the name of that movie that's right anchorman anchorman you got nailed it again

Yes, that was the quote. I'm literally on a mountain recording outside on battery power. I'm breaking all my normal rules for recording a podcast. If a bear comes up behind me, just let me know. Just give me some heads up. Or we won't. Please. I don't think a bear will come up. You might hear things in the distance. I'm going to use AI to remove as much background noise. There's some sawing going on.

Always a way. But no, I'm in the Blue Ridge Mountains recording and still getting the show out. Still doing it.

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You get the ad-free version of the show. You get bonus episodes. And you get Primary Tech Daily, Monday through Friday, the top news headlines in just a few minutes. So, first thing, this is also listener feedback, but also some news. We had an anonymous email, who wanted to remain anonymous, talking about full self-driving versus Waymo, because I talked about my Waymo experience last week. And this person has experience with full self-driving with his Tesla Model 3 and finds it to be...

better. The full self-driving in the Tesla. He says Waymo is occasionally can take up to five minutes on an unprotected left turn. Whereas full self-driving handles it. No problem. Used it in heavy rain and the sound, the commute that they do typically has zero interventions, which I guess is when you have to like take over from the Tesla full self-driving. And so that was just their experience. If others out there have experienced both with Waymo and

and Tesla full self-driving, I'd be curious to hear. Because also, this was actually news this week, Waymo is going to try and expand to New York City, which whether or not they can with regulatory concerns remains to be seen, but they're going to try and do it. So you had a thought about FSD. Okay, I have a couple thoughts about all those things. Yes. The first one is about this last thing you just said.

I don't even think it's necessarily regulatory. I think that the taxis are not going to let Waymo into New York. I mean, think about the fight that Uber's had. So, and in New York city, Waymo is essentially, I think the way they worded it is with safety, safety drivers, uh,

So they're trying to like in New York, they can't operate without someone, without a driver, even if the driver is just sitting there reading, you know, the times or something like that. Right. So they have to have someone in there. But I think it'll be interesting. But New York City is about as mapped of a place as anywhere in the world. Right. So you would think it would be possible. So. OK, so I just did want to touch on.

the person who wrote in very much appreciate it and i wanted to be clear that i've only ridden in one waymo and it was a while ago okay and so that's i just want to make that part of it clear but as far as full self-driving i just want to say that like individual experiences are hard to compare and also you live in the sunniest place on the continental united states come to chicago

I would love to see what you think about full self-driving if you drive through Chicago, because I, like, and I would just make sure, did you read the article that I wrote about it? Because minimal interventions is not an experience that a lot of people have with full self-driving. Um, now to be fair, it only tried to kill me twice and I was paying attention. And so I didn't die, but I think that the concept of full self-driving is great because

I think that Tesla could be there, but they're stubborn about the idea that they don't want to put the sensors in because of the added weight and the added expense, the expense being the big part of it. So they are just like wholeheartedly committed to being doing this with vision only with, with cameras. And I just think that that is, we're just not there. Maybe AI will help us get there faster. Um, but yeah,

I think that universally people agree that Waymo is better at this. I just want to say. Now, there was one other detail where the listener said they have a new Model 3, like whatever the latest model, the Highland one. And I think the one that you did full self-driving in was like, what, 2020?

It's probably a 22 or 3. It's not the newest model, Model 3, but it would have the latest version of full self-driving. Right. And I didn't know if there was any camera differences or hardware differences. I just don't know. I think I should just look that up. So, whether that's a difference. But the LiDAR, I don't know, just knowing the technologies, it feels like LiDAR would be...

advantageous. Well, yeah, and Waymo uses three different things. It uses radar, LiDAR, and cameras, and Tesla just uses cameras. Right. So let us know. I'd be curious more full self-driving experiences out there from our listeners and viewers. Let us know, especially if you use it on a regular commute, we should give you it. And in any other cities, because obviously Waymo's only in three cities right now, San Francisco, Austin, and Atlanta. And Phoenix. I have to keep reminding you of Phoenix. Oh, so four. Sorry. Yeah.

But full self-driving, obviously, you could use everywhere, which is another advantage. But let us know. All right, so we're going to go through a little bit of news here, and then I want to spend some time on liquid glass because there's been some criticism about the design. So we'll get to that. But there was actually some parental control updates. This was an Apple Newsroom article earlier this week, last week.

talking about some of the changes that Apple is bringing, some of them already in iOS 18.4, which is out for everyone. From what I could tell, and I know you'll have more information on this probably than me, but basically three major changes to parental controls in the Apple device world. You can share the age range of your kids with apps. That's kind of a new paradigm, likely because of some regulatory changes in certain states.

There's going to be new age, uh,

like brackets basically right now, if you want it to set an age restriction, like for an app, you basically have 12 plus and then 17 plus and like nothing in between. And so now apps will be able to have 13, 16 and 18 years of age as designations. And they're adding another ask request where now kids can ask for more time on apps. It's going to ask to download certain apps and,

And now communication, if your child wants to text a number that is not in their contacts, previously, like what I've done, is you have to actually physically, manually add a contact and a phone number to your child's contact if you have those restrictions enabled. Now you can just approve that number and contact in another ask request in your messages, which is still available.

Not great that it's still in messages. Unfortunately, we didn't get that changed in iOS 26, but it seemed like those are the changes. But from what you have, I think you had a briefing on it. Does that comport with what you heard? Yeah, I did. I talked to Apple about this and it was interesting. I think that they know that this is a thing I care very much about and that's true.

I also think I was the only person on this briefing who has three teenagers and then an 11-year-old. And so I have an interesting perspective on this. Yeah, and it is true that they added an age rating category, which is helpful, I think, in some ways. The two things that are interesting about this is I actually wish that Apple did a little bit better job giving parents...

more like anytime you say kids in this age bucket should have this set of restrictions. Yes. But what if I want my, I mean, this is not true, but what if I want my 17 year old to have the same restrictions as my 13 year old? Like I should just be able, I don't shouldn't have to, like I should be able to do that a little bit more easily. And then the other thing is they, they definitely are very,

They pay attention, but I'm not sure that anybody who's working on some of these teams has the same experience as parents like us. I don't know if their children are perfect or if they don't have children. Because they kept talking about the idea that they're trying to... Sometimes your kid figures out your passcode. Sure. Yeah.

Also, sometimes kids have the ability to change the passcode because you haven't toggled the right thing on or off. Because, for example, if you allow account changes, they can just change their screen time passcode. And it's like, if you don't know that that's happening, they don't have to figure yours out. They just type in a new one. And now the notification, that's great because it at least tells you that a passcode has been entered. And so far, in my experience...

That is the only reliable thing 100% of the time about screen time is that notification. It is pretty good because when I put it into my child's device to change something, I'll get the notification. I'm like, thank you. That's actually a great step. But I think that they were surprised when I said, yeah, screen time, the app requests and the screen time requests changed.

I think they work about 40% of the time. And especially the app request thing. Oftentimes my, one of my kids will be like, I need this for my cross country team or I need this for school. I need this for whatever. And I'm like, approve, approve, approve, approve. And they're like, yeah, nothing. And they send me another one. I'm like approve. And it's like nothing. And they're like, well, at least in those cases, it doesn't let them download the app. And I'm like, except for, I don't want to sit here for an hour hitting approve. Like we need a better system than this. And I told them,

I feel like it got worse when you started putting all of these things into messages. Yes. And one thing I've had to do recently is I'll try to approve it in messages. It doesn't go through. My child will text me. It didn't go through. If you go into settings, screen time to that particular child, the request lives there also.

which I forgot about or hadn't looked. And sometimes I have to go to that screen and approve it in the settings, and then it'll go through because either the request didn't come through messages or the approval didn't go through. And so, yeah, it's still a mess. And thank you for letting them know. I don't know if it'll change it, but we'll see. I mean, I do appreciate that they are very focused on this. And my point was really –

This is for parents, a selling feature of the iPhone, giving your kid an iPhone. If you feel like you can help them create some boundaries, because the thing about kids is they just don't even know what they don't know. And so that, but the, the, it is no longer a selling point if it's not bulletproof and you can argue, it's like, Oh, it works 97.8% of the time. I'm like, then nope, zero. I don't want it. Get it out of my house. That's the thing.

So those changes into parental requests. Some other discoveries in the betas, Mac Stories, John Voorhees has done some work working on the new transcription APIs that are coming with iOS 26, Mac OS 26. And he has found that they are much improved, even that it outpaces Whisper, which is OpenAI's transcription model that you can use on your Mac. And so I'll link to this article in Mac Stories.

He also links to a yap, which is if you're on the MacOS Tahoe beta, you can download this app called yap from GitHub. Again, run at your own risk. This is the beta and something from GitHub, but you can use Apple's transcription model through terminal. And John Voorhees has found it to be way just really fast and still accurate, which is a great thing.

which is really encouraging because this is the technology that is used when you add an audio file to an Apple Note, and that Apple Note will transcribe that audio file. That's what this is going to be, transcribing voice memos, also transcribing things like voicemails. And this should be the same across all the Apple devices. And so I'm excited to see this, and especially third-party apps like mine,

personal favorite transcription app, which is Transcriptionist, they can adopt this. They already have several models to choose from, which are the OpenAI models, but to add Apple's local model to his app, I'm going to email him and see if he's going to do that. But that would be really cool if you could do that, and it is that much faster and better. I'm also hoping, and I talked about this last time in my shortcuts video with Apple Intelligence, it seems like the transcribe shortcuts action has been improved

And you can do it with longer audio, but still not like hour length audio. I'm hoping that will be improved over the summer, over the betas. So you can use this just as a shortcuts action, but encouraging that the transcription is improved. So yeah.

Yeah, and I think that the best part of that story is that John Voorhees just asked his son, do you think you could do this? And he did. So Yap is an app that his son actually made. Oh, okay. Yeah, and so he's like, could you just whip something up so we can just sort of check this out? He's like, yeah, I could probably do that in like 10 minutes. And so he did. And so, yeah, you do have to be running the beta, and you also have to figure out what to do with something that you download from GitHub. I don't know how either, like, I know how the beta part works. I don't know much about how you would do the thing from GitHub. Maybe it's not complicated at all. But...

This is really encouraging for the wooden thing ship because he put in there a little table and using the large V3 turbo, which is the most... It's

It's basically the best combination of accuracy and speed with like the whisper. It was a minute and 41 seconds and using just the onboard Apple model was 45 seconds. Like that's a big deal. Like, and this is like a 30 minute video or something like that. So like, that's a huge improvement. If I drop a 30 minute thing into a whisper, uh,

using that model like it'd be real nice to have that be shorter exactly and again to be able to use it across devices again apps like transcriptionist is on the ipad right now you can use that app and so it'd be amazing if you could use that and be on device too yeah where you wouldn't need internet connectivity to do that so that's pretty exciting now we're going to talk about a couple interviews that apple execs have done with people like federighi and vatici and so i wanted to just throw this out there we've talked about

Obviously, Apple execs weren't on the talk show, the live talk show with Gruber. But I wanted to mention he was on the channel's podcast with Peter Kafka. And I think it's the first time that Gruber has openly said that, quote, Apple was not happy about the blog post, the one that something rotten is in Cupertino, and that Apple felt it was unfair.

And, you know, obviously that was probably the assumption, but I think this is the first time Gruber is explicitly stating it and points to the fact that that's why they weren't on the talk show is because they felt that blog post was unfair and they're upset about it, I guess. So kind of telling, I don't know that it feels weird. I mean, I understand that.

Apple execs probably wouldn't want to appear defensive on the live talk show, like having to defend their choices or feel like they needed to negate Gruber's article. But it's also just a bad look because now they have done seemingly hundreds of interviews with other creators, individual YouTubers, with Mac stores. They seem to have done an interview with everyone except us, which, listen, if you want to do an interview with Primary Technology, let us know. Craig Federighi, we'd love to have you.

But seemingly everyone now except Gruber, who they had done interviews with the last 10 years. And honestly, I feel like two to three years ago is when you started seeing more creator-based interviews, iJustine doing interviews. But the seven years before that, when Apple execs were on the talk show, they weren't doing interviews other places, unless it was with GQ or Vanity Fair once a year. They weren't as accessible as that. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, this is the most that I feel like that they've ever done. They did all of the interviews except for the one. And I think that it's interesting. Gruber's like, it was a win for me and a loss for them, which they made him kind of a martyr. Now, Gruber is a respectable enough human that he's not like, he's not...

overly capitalizing on that, but I do think he, I'm sure his talk show this year had as good of a, what, however he would measure those ratings as ever, even, you know, with Joanna Stern and Eli Patel, who are great guests, by the way, if either of them want to come on this podcast too, we would just talk to them for an hour. A hundred percent. I think it's,

I think, yes, it was very challenging because does Craig Federighi want to sit on that couch and have to address it, which I think they would have had to do in that environment? Probably not. But also if they're that angry about it, like I told you before, like we were talking before we started recording, like that would be the venue to do it and have an opportunity to just to talk about like, hey, like, you know, here's where we disagree on this.

And I think it would have a different level of credibility. Federighi pushed back on that with Joanna Stern and their video, which I think was like the first one to come out.

And honestly, I think I've mentioned this. It was the least articulate I can remember Federighi being as he was trying to push back on this sort of narrative that everyone had already sort of accepted to be true. I just think that was a conversation that would have been really compelling because we know that like they, the Gruber and, and the Federighi and Jaws, they like, they know each other. Right. Right. It would not have been a hostile conversation, but I think it would have been really helpful. And so I,

I don't know that it necessarily makes Apple look really good to be like, we have feelings about this, so we don't want to talk to you for a while. We're on a break. We were on break. Yes. That's a friend's reference. Well, that's not a movie quote, but that would have been a good quote for the show. Speaking of interviews then, Federighi, I think for the first time, did an interview with Federico Vittici at Mac Stories, which kudos to him for landing an interview. But obviously, Vittici's a huge iPad user and has been for many years.

And so they inevitably talked about iPadOS, the changes that came, and why it's not just running macOS on the iPad. And Federighi had a couple examples, but he basically said, we don't want to make a spork. And he was like, I don't know if you know what a spork is in Italy or whatever, but a spork, obviously not a great fork, not a great spoon, trying to be both. And that's

It feels like the best analogy for Apple's strategy of the iPad software. They don't want to put macOS, which is an operating system made for laptops and desktops, on a tablet computer and make a spork. Basically, it'd be kind of an okay tablet with a good operating system, but an okay form factor and just not great at either. I will...

I get that. I've made several videos on my channel about that, and I find it to be true, at least in a form factor sense, because there are times when using an iPad as a tablet is unique to the device, and it excels at doing certain things. Editing the audio of this podcast I talk about many times, also digital sheet music. You can't put a Mac on a music stand.

It's just, I've tried it. You could try to put the music stand flat. Sheet music is not made in landscape. Sorry. And so, you know, there are times when a tablet form factor specifically is useful and having an operating system tailored to that, I think is beneficial that it's made for that. Now they've added a bunch of features that make it more macOS like, I think

The window management is probably going to be better. I haven't played with it a ton. So I'll have to, once I get home, I'm going to put the beta on my iPad and we'll talk about it more in depth later. But it looks like better window management, but it's still an iPad because that's the form factor. And I know you have said, just put macOS on it. Other people have said, just make a touchscreen Mac. And I'm not saying don't do those things. Maybe people would like a touchscreen Mac.

I don't think I would. I mean, I still go back to the Steve Jobs illustration of like, are you going to like hold your hand up in the air to scroll a webpage? Two fingers scrolling on a trackpad is way better and way easier.

Pinching to zoom, I mean, technically you could do that on a trackpad too. So if someone wanted a touchscreen Mac, maybe, but then you would have to change the interface and the UI to accommodate some of those things. You could argue maybe they've done that already with the control center updates. But again, try to navigate a menu bar on a 13-inch MacBook Air with your finger, even something as simple as hover states, where, and again, I get this when I try to edit Squarespace websites,

Just trying to get a hover state on an iPad is really cumbersome. And maybe that's a software thing. Maybe that's a user interface paradigm thing. But if you're on an iPad, you also have to make the operating system such where you can use an Apple pencil, which again is one of the more useful things for it. So I'm not going to defend or whatever, but I identify with and think the Spork analogy is actually well-suited for

to why the iPad should have a distinct operating system and UI than the Mac. I know you were writing down things as I was talking. I was writing things down because I don't like to forget. So the first thing was, it was interesting because Joanna Stern asked them about, because one of the things that was really sort of interesting about the iPad is it got all of these things that people wanted, except for one. And it didn't get a thing that the Vision Pro got.

which is essentially now multi-user support because you can save your Vision Pro profile on your phone and pick up any Vision Pro and use it

And yet the iPad can't, there is no mall except for on maybe like education ones or whatever, but there's no multi-user support on the iPad. It's like, this is absurd. Right. Well, the reason is they would like everyone to buy their own iPad. Right. And it's like, and Joanna started asking like, why not do this? And it's like, well, we think you should have a Mac and an iPad. Okay. So that's, that's the thing that's true that they, that in their mind, which I,

That's the philosophy of the iPhone. Obviously, the iPhone is an incredibly personal device, right? You don't share. You might hand your kid an iPhone to watch a movie, but you do not share an iPhone with other people. Like an Apple Watch. You wouldn't share an Apple Watch. Sure, same thing because your Apple Watch is useless without the phone that it's paired to basically. So that's one thing. The other thing is there's obviously some technical things going on with the iPad because they have prioritized the responsiveness of the touchscreen. I think Gruber was talking about this, that the reason that they hadn't done the windowing

in the past or that the reason the windowing was more limited in the past is they were not willing to sacrifice the latency of when you, and I, I think that this is true with rare exceptions. I cannot think of a time where I touched something on the iPad to make, and like, didn't feel like it was responsive. Like they've done, they've nailed that. Right. And if it doesn't respond, you're like, you know, hard reset the iPad. It's like, okay, fine. It's dead. I'm not even going to bother trying anything else where I'm,

And so on a Mac, there's obviously a lot of different levels of complication on Mac OS where you would introduce a lot of those failure points. But...

You said something that I think is bunk. First of all, I want to be clear. My position is not that they should just put Mac OS on the iPad. What I said was if you're going to do all this, you're basically at that point, you're just not putting Mac OS on there. Like what is the difference between what they're trying to do? And it's like, we're trying to create two versions of this interactive operating system. And if you're going to do that, why not just give people the full thing? But I'm,

I don't think that it's a, the argument seems to be like, well, what are you going to do? You're going to try to touch icons and micro macOS on your, with your finger. No, you're going to just use it in a magic keyboard and use the trackpad like you said, but then when you pull it off to watch Disney plus it's an iPad. What do you mean by that? What do you mean by that? Does the interface change? Does the inter like the interaction paradigm change?

What do you mean when you take it off the keyboard, what happens? You open Disney plus and you just watch a Disney. I mean, I don't like, I'm just saying that some of the arguments about the limitations of Mac, like a touchscreen Mac, for example, I have a touchscreen PC and I've maybe once touched the screen and it's fine. But if I, but when I used a surface, now I'm not arguing that windows is a great thing to use and touch. But what I am saying is that like when, when I've used a surface, uh,

and you aren't using it with a keyboard, and you open, say, an app like Netflix. I think Netflix is the best example because it's been a while since I've used it. It just behaves like a tablet, right? It doesn't change to a different operating system, but you just touch it like you would a tablet. But I think the problem is an iPad would have to do both, be navigable by pointer and by meat stick, namely your finger.

Whereas a Mac never has to think about your finger, except for on the trackpad. Like, you are never clicking something with the touch point of your finger. Whereas an iPad, yeah, in a magic keyboard, would be a great computing device as a pointer. But you have to be able to take it off of that and then navigate it by a finger. And I think you can't... I don't think it is...

easy or maybe not even doable to optimize everything for both. You might be able to optimize a lot of things for both. Again, you can look at control center, tapping an app to open it. Sure. You can click the Disney icon with a pointer or tap it with a finger and it is equally doable. But if you have a complicated app like a,

the LumaFusion video editing app or DaVinci Resolve, which arguably are pretty complicated on iPad right now as it is. But you have those kinds of apps and the touch targets, like what size do you make them? Too big, it's like I don't have enough UI space, even though I have a pointer. But too small, then if you take the iPad off the magic keyboard, now I can't accurately tap something with my finger. So I still think

There's a challenge there that most people don't consider. And like there was, was a windows NT or whatever, when, when, when Microsoft tried to make a specific version that would go between it or whatever, like it would be a tablet and a doc, but you also like, if you take the iPad off the magic keyboard, you don't want the whole UI to like change or shift or snap to something that is now touch friendly. I think that would be a mistake too. So I get what you're saying.

I just, I don't think in practice, like, I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't think it would be good. Yeah. And I think maybe part of it is that the, like the surface is obviously the closest thing we have to what this would be. And the surface is fine in it, but it's obviously very limited. I mean, my iPad pro is way more powerful than most of the services that have ever been made with the M four in it. But it's also like,

It does seem like what Apple would have to do is make a third category here. You'd have Macs that just run Mac OS. You'd have iPads that run iPad OS. And then would you have some kind of a convertible Mac that could do multiple things? And you're right. Apple's just not going to do that. They would much rather you just buy both a Mac and an iPad. Just do it. To your point, the multi-user thing I do think is a bit egregious because...

If you had a 13-inch iPad Air and two kids under the age of seven,

it would be nice to create two profiles for those kids and like let them, let them use both. So I think that is like an artificial gating system that has nothing to do with the iPad UI or how it functions name, except for tap the user. And like you said, there are ways through mobile device management in education spaces where an iPad can have multiple user profiles. Like it is a thing that's possible, just not accessible to the average user. So I do think that in particular would be useful.

But I also think... Or just a guest mode. A guest mode would be nice. I mean, if I could take my iPad and turn it into guest mode and hand it to my kid so I don't have to worry that they accidentally deleted 400 emails, right? Like you do on the Vision Pro. Give me a guest mode. And there is one part of the argument where I'm actually not sure where I stand, which is the biggest difference, aside from UI, is that the iPad is still sandboxed, unlike the Mac.

which is why you can run clipboard managers on the Mac. You can run audio hijack. You can install a GitHub app called Yap to run a transcription through the thing. You can't do any of that on the iPad. And for it to run macOS opens the door to that. Is that good, bad, or otherwise? It increases the level of complexity on the platform as a whole.

I would like to use a clipboard manager on my iPad. So maybe I want non-Sandbox apps, but I'm just not sure. And so that's the part I'm not, I don't know actually where I stand on that part. I also like not worrying about my mom downloading malware.

because I've had my brother-in-law who's much younger than my mom accidentally do that on his Mac and totally toasted it. And we had to factory reset it. And so there is, I think something to be said about the benefits and downsides of that as well. So I don't know. Do you think there's a spreadsheet somewhere in Tim Cook's office, which by the way, I was, I just came, I knew this was like, I don't know, seven or eight months old, but there's a wall street journal interview with Tim Cook. It's like a job interview thing. Um,

And he just won. At one point, he literally says the words, I was good at math. And I'm like, oh, that explains everything about this company today. It's all about the math. But do you think there's a spreadsheet somewhere that's like the amount of revenue we get from the App Store and the iPad today?

that we would lose if they took that away. Because they're never going to do it on the iPhone unless they're forced by law or, you know, the Marines or something to come and do that. But like on the iPad, I feel like it can't be that much. Like, open up the sandbox. Yeah. It's got to be small. Listen, one, it's a numbers document, 100%. But B...

Tim Cook, if there's any number to be known, I'm sure Tim Cook has known it or has it written down somewhere. So yeah, I'm sure it's a number they know, but that has to be negligible. And the amount of users even that would do something like that, minuscule compared to, because most iPad users, I would be curious, this stat, I imagine most iPad users are kids and education.

The education realm is huge for the iPad. I have a friend who works in a school district in Florida, and he deals with literally hundreds of iPads, maybe even thousands. And schools wouldn't want that anyway. Schools wouldn't. They'd want to close all that down. Yeah. But anyway.

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I said numbers that are probably not even true, but I think you're talking about cars, but that's a Porsche Porsche. That's all I know. Porsche. Is it really Porsche? Is it really Porsche? That I know for sure. Okay. All right. Well, if you say so, I don't know. I've driven a Kia soul and a model last 15 years. That's all I got. A Porsche 986 is a boxer. You can get a convertible version of that. And I'm telling you, it's not the best.

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Now, just a couple quick little feature discoveries in the betas before we get to liquid glass. This first one is talking about the Apple Wallet app. One of my requests from the Passwords app, which we got last year in iOS 18, is that better ways to save your credit card information and bank account info, which is something I used to do with 1Password, which just talked about.

But now Apple Wallet's app in iOS 26 will let you save that credit card information like security code, expiration date, and you can store it in the wallet instead of the passwords. I'm glad that's there. I get why maybe not put it in the passwords because it's more credit card info.

a step in the right direction. I'm still hoping for more types of secure data somewhere in the passwords app, like passport numbers, software license codes. I saved all of that in one password and I would still like to put it in the passwords app. And I still, I do it right now. I just kind of put it in the notes field of a new entry and maybe that's the solution long-term, but yeah, Apple wallet app, it's an update. How, for you, how is this different than the fact that they can already be secured?

stored in Safari? So you can store them in Safari to autofill, but sometimes that autofill like does not work on specific forms. Like I'll be on a website and I have to put in payment info. They don't accept Apple pay. And so I have to get the numbers for whatever. And I am hopeful. I haven't tried this specifically yet that it's easier to copy and paste those numbers and

from the wallet app rather than jumping into like the settings, Safari, autofill cards and going through those steps.

But also you might want to save a card info that's also not an autofill. You know, there might be a credit card that I don't ever intend to autofill in Safari, but I want to save the numbers for whatever, because it's something I, maybe it's a business card and I want to use that, but don't want to accidentally autofill my business card in Safari. So things like that, you know, I was just curious because I have found that to be pretty reliable and I've found that it also works in

Outside of Safari, right? That little thing pops up at different times. And so I was just curious, um,

Maybe it's just that this is confusing because people don't think, oh, credit cards. I stored them in Safari. Right. And it makes sense. I mean, and the Wallet app is getting more powerful. You know, deliveries we talked about last week, even outside of Apple Pay and shop deliveries coming to the Wallet app. And listen, if the Wallet app is where I can securely save things like software license codes and passport numbers, I'd be down for that. Let me just let me put it somewhere. That's not an Apple note.

I just don't want to do a secure Apple note. That's just me. Yeah.

I don't know. And one other quick feature, and I'm actually pretty excited about this, is the autofill feature, which it always goes around social media periodically of like, whoever built this at Apple deserves a raise. And then it gets 1 million views for that tweet or post. But the autofill feature where you get texted a two-factor code or emailed a two-factor code, and then you can just tap it wherever you're trying to sign in. Well, now in iOS 26, you'll actually be able to autofill from third-party apps.

And so if you get, and this is something I do, I use my Google voice number for a lot of account creation and I'll get two factor text messages that

Do you hear all that wind, by the way? This is ASMR. Is that wind? Or I thought maybe it started raining outside here. No, it's been gusts of wind the last few seconds. So I don't know if our listeners hear that. But this is an atmospheric episode. You get to experience the mountain with me. So those two-factor codes, if they come through Google Voice...

or if they come through Spark, your email provider. Because typically, like if it was an emailed code, it had to come to your stock mail app. Otherwise you couldn't autofill it. Well, now it's going to work even in third-party apps once they adopt it and apps like Google Voice, which is what I use. So I'm excited for that. Yeah, that's great. It's great.

All right, and I think there's been a lot of other little features. We'll keep talking about them over the weeks. But I wanted to spend just a few minutes talking about liquid glass. Now, Jon Prosser, as he does, Front Page Tech is the channel on YouTube. Kudos to him for the leaks, because he did have many leaks about liquid glass in the months leading up to WWDC, and many of them were positive.

uh, close to accurate or at least had the right idea. And so he obviously did have some kind of inside sources to show him UI elements. But a couple of days ago, he published this video, which is basically the title is iOS 26 is terrible. And he just goes on to lambast liquid glass design schema. And he says it's terrible. Uh, and it doesn't look good. And, uh,

Goes into, and he uses the one example that a lot of people have used on social media, which is if you go to the app library.com.

or just have anything busy on screen and then pull down control center, it can look pretty busy, the UI of iOS 26 with a cook glass, because you have these control center elements that are semi-transparent and you can see stuff behind it and it gets busy. And so he talked all about that. Before we offer our opinions, I'll say there's also been a couple other interviews that have gone out. Speaking of Apple execs and interviews, Alan Dye, Craig Federighi, they had an interview with GQ magazine.

and Alan Dye, who's over all the design. He actually did an interview with iJustine last week at DubDub. Both Craig Federighi and Alan Dye talked about liquid glass design. And so lots of interviews there.

I've been playing around with it. You have all the, you have the betas on multiple devices. And so I know everything I'm running it right now on this computer. We're recording. I'm just kidding. I'm not. Are you for real? You just, no, I'm not doing this. Okay. You thought the worst thing about this recording was going to be the mountain. Nope. There is a deer climbing the mountain right behind me. And I'm going to take a moment and snap a picture of this. And I will, that is how you know, you live in Florida. Yeah.

And not Michigan because there's probably three deer just outside of my office eating my wife's hostas. Now listen, I grew up in New York and we had deer all the time. We had deer in the backyard. They would just walk around.

We don't have deers in Florida unless you go down to like Key West or whatever. And then you see some random deer. The deer in Florida have way bigger teeth. They just call them alligators. Very short legs. Anyway, that was exciting. There was a deer like 15 feet from me and I just took a picture. I'll figure out how to share it. But anyway, so liquid glass, you're running it on everything except the device you're recording. That's great. I've been running it on an iPhone. I've spent some time with it. Here's number one. And this is a little behind the scenes. Whenever the betas first come out, like beta one,

If you are a news publication, if you're media, if you're a creator, Apple would prefer you don't offer opinions on the betas until you would get to the public beta. A, because you do sign an agreement like the terms and conditions when you download developer betas, that this is for personal use, not for review, whatever. But, and we've talked about this multiple times, like with iOS 7,

the UI and elements are likely to change between now and September when this actually gets released to the public, even like public release, not just public beta. And so I think for Jon Prosser to have an entire video talking about how bad the design is in literally beta one, like this is the very first beta, I think it is not tasteful. And obviously his channel and his persona is...

you know, that, you know, to be kind of like extremely opinionated and either say Apple has done something incredible or Apple has done something terrible and it's rarely nuanced in the middle. So I understand what he's doing, but there is also a lot of talk on social media about how liquid glass is bad. Again, using that one example of the control center over the app library or over a home screen and it not looks good. A, I am 90% sure that will not look like that come September.

I think come September, when you swipe down for the control center, it's either going to blur the background or somehow make the control center controls more opaque. I don't think it's going to look like that. And once you remove that aspect, I think liquid glass is going to have very few problems, if any.

But in the iJustine interview with Alan Dye, he talked a lot about liquid glass having a material. I thought that was interesting. He talked about it basically being like a material part of the UI. He also mentioned future products as a reason why they wanted to unify and redesign everything. So interesting. I think talking about AR glasses, whatever other future products, HomePad maybe, hopefully. And so obviously he's doing it for that reason. But good design, right?

needs to have both form and function. And I think in some aspects, like you think about art, it could just be great art for the aesthetic or the appeal of your eyes. But when it comes to software design, it has to be both aesthetic, nice to look at, and functional because it's something that you actually have to use to use your devices like your iPhone and your Mac.

And so when it comes to that aspect, is it both functional and aesthetic?

I think there are some aesthetics that need to be updated, like I talked about the control center. But I think people are overlooking some of the changes that have actually made the UI much better. And the prime example is the contextual menu when you highlight text. And if you've ever wanted to run a shortcut by using the share button or use like the translate part when you select text, in iOS 18 and earlier, when you selected text, you had to tap those tiny little arrows

In that small contextual menu, sometimes you have to tap it four and five times to get to actions like share or translate when text was selected.

And now in iOS 26, vastly improved. You can select text, you can tap a button, and now you have a vertically scrolling contextual menu that is a thousand times better. And so I think there are the photos app. It has gone back to being better rather than being the iOS 18 version of the photos app, which I'm still not crazy about. And so I think there are actually some changes that are both aesthetically pleasing and

The glass is fun to look at. You can do cool things like the glassy icons. But I think there's also some functional improvements in the redesign that people are overlooking, and they are focusing on the one or two examples that make liquid glass look a little too complicated and not on the function of a lot of the changes that are coming in iOS 26 as well. And that's what I want to say about that. But how do you feel? You have it on a bunch of stuff. I...

Well, first of all, it was really interesting listening to I just Dean's interview with Alan Dye.

Alan Dye does seem like he is this is not meant to be a criticism but he is slightly less used to having to explain the rationale behind things right because she asked him a question about like how do you go about starting a complete redesign like this and it was a real felt like it was going to be a process type of thing and he definitely stayed way up and like well you think about the way that all these platforms work together and I'm like that's that's not how you start like I don't understand anyway

So I think it's actually what that sort of revealed to me is I think there's a couple of competing things happening here. One, it's okay. Like I keep thinking about and I want to write about this when Steve Jobs, I mean, the last time there was a, we always talk about iOS 7, but there was no update to macOS when iOS 7 came out, right? There was no change in the design language there.

So really you have to go back to OS X and Aqua. Well, Yosemite was a redesign where things became less cumorphic and more flat. It wasn't as big a change, I think, as this. I'll give you that. And so you really have to go back to the Steve Jobs keynote where he's talking about Aqua and he's like, the goal is you have to...

make it so that people want to lick the button, right? Like he's talking about a button. And, but the point is like, he's having so much fun and user interactions should be delightful. And that is the thing that Apple has always been good at is delight, delighting its users through these types of things. And sometimes it's enough to just simply say, we think it's really cool, right? Like Steve jobs, you could just imagine him getting up there and being like,

Well, the slide down lock thing, like it was so much engineering that went into something that is just incredibly cool that no one else had been able to do it. Like cover, cover flow, cover flow was probably the slowest way to navigate your albums, but it looked really cool. It was just really cool. And I just was hoping he would say, we just think it's awesome. But instead they had like the camera shots where they had like carved the, or built the icons into actual pieces of like glass and stuff. And,

And so it does sort of feel like Apple is...

maybe overthinking it a little bit in the way that they try to talk about it because I think that they should just like we just think it looks amazing like you don't and to get to that point yes you have to do all of this studying how light interacts with things but like none of these things are real and also what is liquid glass is this like lava like it's not the metaphor I think you want to use so yeah I think you know I get like a morphing substance or material as Alan Dye would say that

you know, has the glass like transparency. But anyway, but it's not a real thing is what I'm trying to say. Like brushed aluminum, real thing, right? Like it lives in the physical world. So I, I think it will be better. I think it's okay to put it on your devices and to talk about it as a media person. But the Apple really doesn't want you to do is to review it, right? Because it is not finished yet. And it's not really fair to review something that's a beta. Uh,

But it's totally fair game to be talking about it and to say what I like and to what I don't like about it. It's just important to understand it's not done. And I just... I think...

I think it's cool. I don't think trans transparent notifications on your home screen are great idea because you lose a lot of the context of what's happening. What I mean by the context is there's just not enough. Well, maybe contrast is a better way of saying it. It's, it's like these pieces of glass sliding up my, my home screen when I, or the lock screen when I'm trying to look at notifications, um,

does kind of make it hard to tell which ones should I look at and which ones should I ignore for now. So they've got some work to do. The other one that's annoying is you can now, I can't, I keep reaching up for the phone with the beta and that's the one I'm using as a camera, but you know, you can, you, you can now make the tall numbers, right? You can make your number, the time, tall time, you're going to have tall time. And if you do that, it will, you can, it'll move the widgets that used to live right underneath it down to the bottom and

But if you do that and you have the six notifications thing, it's just like they're just on top of each other. And it's like, oh, this is a bug because it's not a bug. It's like this is beta one. So that's not a criticism. But there are a lot of places where when you make it so that you can see through multiple layers, you got to be much more thoughtful about what's underneath. Right. Yeah, that's a good point. And we'll see. I still think it's going to change. And.

I was going to say, oh, you mentioned notifications. I do want to mention the one thing we didn't hear, not a lick of it during the keynote, not the one thing. There's several things we didn't hear about. But yeah, notifications remain completely unchanged. And I would not say that Apple has nailed it there, that it doesn't require any revision. So it was a little disappointing that we didn't see any changes there. Yeah. Anyway, it looks cool.

And for, you know, process it in his video, like Steve jobs would roll over in his grave or whatever. It's like you, you really don't remember the hardware that Apple released for many years that basically looked exactly like this. Like it was a lot of clear plastic that, uh, right. G3, I Mac,

The cinema display. The cinema display. All the bags that are like this. And then again, going back to Aqua. So I would not say that Steve Jobs would be against this today. But anyway. Also, I feel like there's only a few people who should be allowed to say Steve Jobs would roll over in his grave. And I don't know that Jon Prosser necessarily on that list. Fair enough. Fair enough. I feel like you got like Johnny Ive, Tim Cook, maybe a couple Apple execs. Maybe Gruber. Or Jobs.

Maybe the guy no one wants to talk to right now. I don't know. Jason Snell. You know, Walt Mossberg. Walt Mossberg. That's it. Yeah, exactly. You have to have at least spoken to him in person once to be able to say that. Were you invited to his funeral? Then no. You don't know. That's a good point.

Okay, lightning round, and then we'll get to a quick personal take. I love lightning rounds. Lightning round, the actual lightning round. Threads adding more Fediverse features, like an entire Fediverse feed and profile search. You know, we haven't heard about Fediverse in a while, but it's still out there. It's still being a thing. So hopefully it keeps being a thing. Is Threads ever going to replace X, or do we just now have two worlds where we have to post all the time? Can I just... I'm so...

tired of the four apps of threads X blue sky Macedon. I keep posting on all four. I keep looking on all four because there are people who interact with me on all four. Like I don't want to leave people hanging and I don't see those people on the other platforms. I don't think threads is going to replace X. Unfortunately, I don't know. I've been seeing people say blue sky is not a great environment right now either. So I don't, I don't know what's happening.

Well, this is such a perfect, like everyone's like, well, it's great to have all these choices except for no, it's not. Because what was really nice is when all of the audience was in one place, like that was the reason that Twitter was the places because that's where all of the people who you'd want to do Twitter things with were. And now you have four places where you have to go for all of the same types of things.

And there's way too much mental friction to try to decide, do I post this here? Do I post this here? Do I do this? And then I just, nevermind. We're not even going to get into the fact that every time I open the Instagram app and I tap on a thing, it's like, Oh wait, I accidentally launched threads because that's not actually, it wasn't even an Instagram post. It's like, come on. That is a weird thing too. Cause like now when I post a reel, I can post it to threads and I'm like, I don't, I don't know what happens to people when they see that. If they tap it, do they get sent over to Instagram? Can they just watch it in threads? Yeah.

I don't know. It's not a great time. Gone are the halcyon days where we just had one place just to go. It wasn't a great place, but at least it was one. Exactly. It wasn't a great place. At least it was one. I wanted to mention OpenAI. They were awarded a $200 million contract with the United States Defense Department, the Department of Defense, namely to use OpenAI's technology and ChatGPT to defend against cybersecurity threats and things like that.

I think there's interesting one because open AI is trying to find ways to be profitable because $20 a month from even millions of people is not going to make it profitable, but deals like this could. And so curious. And I think this also sets open AI continually ahead and apart from some of the other AI companies like Anthropic and Claude because they are not working with

Like this is like a commercial contract, you know what I mean? And so interesting that open AI is the one to land it. And we also didn't get back to dub dub. We didn't get any of the additional AI model options that were rumored. Like you can't use Gemini or Claude in like the built-in iOS settings like you can with open AI and chat GPT. And so I think they just continue to kind of set themselves apart. Do you think at some point, because I've heard that maybe it's still coming, but that

perhaps they hadn't either worked out the deal or that Apple just simply didn't want to give that much juice to Google, not necessarily because they don't like each other, but because considering all of the legal things going on, did it make a lot of sense? But do you think it's going to be a situation where you just go into a toggle and you're like, when I do visual intelligence, instead of sending it to chat GPT, send it to Gemini instead? I just don't think it's going to come. Honestly, now, now with the foundation models, uh,

that are available to developers via APIs with the Apple intelligence models that are now available through the shortcuts actions on device and private cloud compute. I don't think Apple's going to open it up, uh, both competitively also just like they would probably prefer. I mean, their models will benefit if users use them because they can, they're training it so they can train the model on that data as well. And I just, with like visual intelligence right now, uh,

Google is already there. Like you can use the reverse Google image search. It's literally a dedicated button in visual intelligence. I don't think, you know, they have chat GPT if you want to do a more web related or reaching search. So I don't think we're actually going to see it now. You know, the other thing that was interesting about the, what you brought up, the DOD contract is, you know, who else has a lot of DOD contracts? Who's that? Microsoft. Microsoft.

So this is just another interesting piece of the law. Like you want to talk about a breakup. You thought that the Gruber and Apple breakup was a, was a thing. It's, you know, there's also like, well, there's also a lot of talk that that, that relationship is reaching sort of a friction point over, you know, Microsoft has a lot of leverage in terms of,

wanting to sort of divorce itself of its, like you becoming a for-profit company and doing all these different types of things. They're like a little bit of fight over how much control will Microsoft have? Because right now Microsoft has a huge right to both the IP in the future and a lot of its profits. And so how does open a open AI convince Microsoft to, uh,

give up that control and those that rights. It's like, you don't have any leverage in this. And so open AI instead is going to just go out and try to build its own business where you could in another timeline, you could have seen a world where open AI is like, Nope, you know, we are going to be the model. We're going to be the model on the iPhone. We're going to be the model on Azure. We're going to be the model. Like what, you know what I mean? And so,

But we don't live in that world. We don't. It's a different world. You know the world we do live in, though, Jason, is the world where WhatsApp got ads. It finally happened. If it's a meta property, it's going to get ads, people. This is the most inevitable thing, whatever, 15 years in the making. Threads now has ads. WhatsApp now has ads. It just has ads. That's all. I think, didn't, wasn't it the...

wasn't it the founder of whatsapp who said like ads make everything worse that's why we charge our customers and then meta bought what this is like not even that long before the the deal like a year before meta bought them and it took a long time for yeah it did and and and they're saying it's only in the uh what is it called the it's not discover it's

I think it's called updates, which by the way is a tab. I've, I had to open the app cause I do use WhatsApp for some things like our, our daughter's soccer team, all the parents use it. There's like a family group in here. There's all these different things.

There sure enough is a little tab down there called updates that I've never tapped on once. And I'm not even going to do it now because I don't want to see ads, but it's like, it's like, I don't understand. How long do you think it's going to be before it ends up in your chats? That's what I'm saying. It's maybe not in the actual chats, but in the chats feed, like, I don't know. Ads come for us all. That's all I'm saying. Well, at least with meta ad is going to come for you all. Okay. Personal tech.

Have you been seeing little videos on social media? I don't know if you see them or not, or maybe on Facebook of these like AI generated news bits. And it's basically the anchor being like saying something serious at first. And then they're like, just kidding. I'm not real. And neither is this video. And they are just increasingly convincing in quality, both video and audio until something wild happens.

But have you seen any of these? No, I was looking at it now and I'm really angry because now I'm sure my feed will be full of them. Thank you very much. I'm going to not click on anything on this page so that I don't. But I think this is not where it's going. UFO flying out of the water is not the thing people will be duped. No, no, no, no, no. But these videos are an exam are basically trying to show that

Here's how real it can look and sound. You need to be aware of this. And there's other videos. I didn't have it pulled up, but there's one that's like, you know, Canada has declared war on the U S or whatever. And that one is, it doesn't do anything weird, like with a UFO or anything like that one, just like, it's just a news anchor, like saying the news and it is very convincing. And then in the caption, it says like, this is AI or whatever. I just, I see these videos and,

I see how some of my family use social media and I, the, the, the concern level is rising because I just know I'm going to get questions or be told like, did you hear this? And did you see that? And that's going to be increasingly difficult to be like, that's not real. Right. And like, I think with certain people, it might be,

almost harder to convince them that it's not real than it is. Because I think for a certain generation, like seeing a video of a thing is like proof.

it's like the ultimate, like I saw it with my own eyes. Right. Well, my Facebook feed, unfortunately, I don't know what I did to deserve this. It's full of like a picture of some famous person, Peyton Manning standing next to like a young woman. And it's like, here's the story of how Peyton Manning adopted this girl when she was abandoned by her parents at age three and she's raised her and blah, blah, blah. And it's like,

No, he doesn't have an adopted daughter. But there'll be like 70,000 replies to it and someone who I know has shared it. And I'm like, the Indianapolis Colt, have you ever... He's not an unknown thing. People know. This is not a story that is just coming out seven years after he retired or whatever it's been. So people... Pete, you're right. This is going to be a problem. I also see a lot...

Not a lot, but every once in a while I'll jump into Facebook and the ads that you see in Facebook now will have AI generated imagery as the thumbnail. And I remember seeing this one, I think I mentioned it a while ago, but it was basically like an inflatable pool that was rather large and the whole edges of it were seats.

And like, so it was basically like a huge bench. That's a circle, but that was also a pool and it's like made whatever. And I thought it was one of my relatives. They were like, it doesn't this pool look cool. I had to be like, that's not real.

that's not a real thing and like when you click it it'll be like pool inflatable store and like order floaties or whatever but like the image that they saw was just not real and not something you could even buy and it's like man this is going to be harder and harder to deal with and you know I know Google is they talked about an IO working with like the identification how they can identify like that there's

ways to identify AI-generated content and anything made with VO has whatever tags in the background. But honestly, I don't know if that matters because as soon as someone shares a clip of something on TikTok or Instagram Reels, there's no anything there. There's no warning label that TikTok puts on it or that Instagram puts on it. They just do it. And so, I don't know. I just...

I'm not sounding an alarm, but I'm not not sounding an alarm. You know what I mean? Yeah, media literacy is a real problem. Media literacy? That. That's the thing. I don't know. I'm actually less concerned for my kids because I feel like they'll be able to spot this stuff and be more skeptical as they grow up, for better or worse, maybe for better, that when they see a video of

Canada invades the US, they're going to be like, eh. And if they're really interested, they'll at the very least look it up, but at the very, very least not share it. And I think that's the problem is there's a lot of people out there who will see something and feel compelled to share it because they feel like it's important information, even though it's AI generated. And that gets promulgated and spread everywhere.

And that's not good. And so I feel like younger generations are almost better equipped because they realize how much AI there is out there.

And so anyway, I don't know. As a Gen Xer, my generation's response to the Canada invades the US is like, really? I think we can take them. It's going to be fine. But they are sure. But like that, sorry for all of our Canada listeners. Jason does, he's not downplaying here. I think even if you live in Canton, no offense. Like I like, I live in Michigan. I live very close to Canada. If Canada was invading the US, it's either going to be New York or Michigan. But I also think that like,

I don't think Canada's invading the US is all I'm trying to say. Which is actually an important thing. Here's the piece I think that's important for people. Yes, the videos can become very compelling

But it does not take very much to figure out, aside from a news organization you trust being hacked, which is another separate but potentially real problem. It does not take much to figure out, like, I don't know who shared this. I don't know who they shared it, the sources. I can tell that's not my local news station. So...

I think I'm like, it's not hard to deduce these things. I do get shared this kind of stuff on a regular basis. And I'm like, that's not real. But even those questions you just asked yourself, I think people are not asking them. Right. That's the media literacy part. Yeah. And the media is because like, I will see older generations scrolling Facebook reels and no one looks at the profile in the bottom left corner to see whose video this is or who shared it. It's just, here's a video.

And it's devoid of context or attribution, like everything. And so it's just a very much like, I saw this thing. And like, that's, that's just, I don't know. I'm bracing myself to hear that phrase more and more in the future. I saw this thing and it basically be garbage. I just have a key key, like a shortcut, a keyboard shortcut. That's like not real.

What do you mean? Just respond to people sending me stuff. Not real. NR. Did you see this thing? Not real. Not real. This is AI. You've been duped.

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