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Ep 99: The Myth of American Inequality with Senator Phil Gramm

2024/10/26
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Burning Sander认为美国的收入不平等现象前所未有且不可持续。 Joel Onsdale介绍了Phil Gramm及其著作《美国收入不平等的神话》,该书挑战了关于美国收入不平等日益加剧的传统观点。 Phil Gramm认为,关于美国收入不平等日益加剧的说法是一种政治策略,美国人口普查局的数据存在缺陷,因为它忽略了政府的转移支付和高收入者的税收。他指出,如果将政府转移支付和税收都考虑在内,美国的贫困率实际上非常低,收入不平等的程度也远低于人口普查局的数据显示。他还认为,美国的‘反贫困战争’在转移财富方面取得了成功,但在促进贫困人口自给自足方面却失败了,导致许多贫困人口放弃工作,这损害了美国的经济基础。他同时指出,富人的财富增长并不一定意味着穷人的损失,反而可能通过创新和投资惠及所有人;美国的税收制度对高收入者是累进的;沃伦·巴菲特等富人将财富再投资,这有利于经济增长和社会进步;普遍基本收入(UBI)等政策可能会导致人们不工作,这对国家不利;美国经济的生产力提高,使得更多的人进入高收入群体;人们对工业革命时期生活状况的描述往往夸大了其负面影响,而忽略了其带来的进步;启蒙运动和资本主义的兴起,以及工业革命,极大地改善了人们的生活水平;美国和欧洲在应对经济变革方面存在差异,美国更能接受‘创造性破坏’,而欧洲则试图阻碍这一进程;年轻一代普遍认为自己比父辈境况更糟的观点是错误的;经济自由是美国人获得成功的关键,政府对经济自由的限制会损害年轻人的机会;美国需要在政策制定中坚持事实,避免政治操纵。

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The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer. The wealthiest among us don't pay their fair share in taxes. The American Dream is disappearing... Are these claims true? What data are they based upon? And does it stand up to scrutiny?

This week, we analyze the debate over income inequality and mobility in America with economist and former U.S. Senator Phil Gramm. In his book, "The Myth of American Inequality)" (winner of the 2024 Hayek Prize), Gramm lays out the oft-cited data for widening inequality and exposes where it falls short. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the top 20% of earners possess 16.7 times the income of the bottom 20%. However, Gramm reveals that this data excludes nearly all government transfer payments to the poor, like food stamps, and fails to subtract the high taxes paid by top earners. Adjusting for these factors, inequality drops from 16.7X to 4X!

Gramm also points out that benefits to the poor have increased from $9,700 per household in 1967 (adjusted for inflation) to nearly $50,000 today. He argues that we suffer, not from extreme inequality, but from welfare-driven equality that encourages huge numbers of low-and-middle income Americans to drop out of the workforce.

Senator Phil Gramm served in Washington D.C. for 25 years, first as a Congressman and later as a three-term Senator from Texas. He's an economist by training who taught at Texas A&M before entering public service. His book is a must-read for understanding the inequality debate, the truth about the super-rich, and the state of the American Dream.

00:00 Episode intro

03:32 Is inequality extreme and growing?

10:45 Elon Musk and the super-rich

16:19 Is Warren Buffet cheating the government?

22:55 Industrial Revolution — setting the record straight

29:35 Do billionaires pay their fair share?

33:40 Is the American Dream dying? This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit blog.joelonsdale.com)