MBW 950: Whacking on the Soccer Wall - App Store Awards, visionOS 2.2, Apple Music Replay
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It's diver mac break weekly. Andy, alex and Jason are all here, and we've got lots of fun things to talk about. Will take a look at the forty five best apps and games for the APP store awards, review a few of them.

I'll tell you the day that i'm going to die, thanks to my favorite APP. We also have a game that all of us played thirty years ago that's back now for your ipad. A whole more coming up next that rely podcasts you love from people you trust.

This is twit. This is mac break weekly episode nine hundred fifty, recorded tuesday, december third, twenty twenty four waking on the soccer wall. Its time for mac break weekly the show we get together and talk about apple snooze with the apple snooze team joining us right now and the anika from the library. Hi Andrew.

hello. I I got a question that is a light week so maybe later i'm became discusses as panel when you're hanging a reef on the front door, are you a at the top family or a bow at the bottom family? Oh.

that's a really interesting question.

I always put me at the top. And as I was adJusting IT, i'm like why IT seems like this is a democrat. This is a thing that like google and facebook ads, they they will figure out which one you are and make our target my decisions based on because there is something that tells us about you on where if you put if you have a holiday read where you put the bow, we want to discuss side by people because people need to decide magic.

Honestly, I think it's pretty clue clear that um you should put the boat the top now Patrick delay hand, he says, put the boat at the bottom. But we're going to get into that greater detail. Yes, that's likely going to be like the clip that goes all the social and all that the both because that's what people care about. Uh, alex linsey is also hear from office hours that global, he has deeper issues to think .

about H G R H L G versus P, Q.

This is what we there matters. actually. The religious .

issues go very quickly. Something like H, G and I hg curve just isn't as good as the pq curve.

So you know, sometimes I wish I lived in alex, his head, just to understand some of the things that he says. Also from six colors that com, mr. Jason snow is having to be part of the apple news team.

A big storm coming in, but then it's gonna clearing up. I'll be back later with .

the apple weather and now with the traffic report kept in leo in the sky. No, we're not going to do that to you today because you tuned in a podcasts. A you didn't have to listen to radio. I'm sad to say the many of the staff at the radio station is to work for cai fy, and most Angeles have been laid off as radio continues its death spiral.

terrestre radio has been replaced to buy extra terrestrial well.

And I have to say, unless your joe rogan or call her dade cast to all that, well, either there is there is A A chill in the air with advertisers. I think they're very nervous. I I don't know if it's us, is IT us Jason's know you? I sell advertising because I don't sell .

advertising people who do that for me because I don't want to do because .

I never want to do so they don't tell you how .

je it's my big pocket uh over really is doing okay. But even even there you know you can feel IT and it's it's it's a tougher driver sleep than the husband I say.

oi, just you're struggling. People go no are they're bigger than Better than ever it's true if you're celebrity or you have one of .

the big yeah you're get smartness you're doing okay, right?

You enjoy talking about murder in the misery of other families left grind.

If you talk about apple little.

I think that the one of the things you see when you started to see this kind of stratification of that process is I think this is one of think that twitter did early on that was kind of, I think, a lot of lost interest in twitter. I would didn't have the same way for twitter when they just started really dumping to you, really making sure that the that celebrities are joined twitter did really, really well. And so there was a point where letting leo you number one or two on twitter, when when we were getting started, the old days, I was number, I was number ninety, ninety one point, I was a ninety nine.

Know, like, I 那个 my taking this Green capture that， like, and and then, you know, then they started basically really pander to, uh, all the celebrities that came in and everyone else is kind dropped away and you kind of felt like I was like this cool little club and then they just hang out with popular kids and drop us all all into the deep and and I think that that is in some cases this this kind of um and I personally think this spotify did a lot of work on this is to really jam up that there is a couple things is partitioned that I think number one is to really press down on the on the really popular one and throw a lots of money at IT. But also the specificity of the data, you know didn't take into account some of the of the effectiveness that you can't measure in podcasts that there and they want to know every minute that you listen to IT every little bit. And I get that that that's important data about what happens is that you can't really have A C P M that that properly represents that level of specificity. So one got really accurate at the other one's not I think that miss match has been pretty damaging.

Yeah, well, anyway, we're gona solter on thanks to our club members who help us keep the lights on. And as long as people want to hear about technology news, I hope we can find that a little place, a little small place in your heart, right next to a mom and apple pie. Apple has announced, revealed and shown the forty five APP and game finance for the big APP store awards.

Actually has happened right after the show last week, so I missed IT, but we will do IT now because it's a good time filer. It's gonna right right through the first hour of the show. Here are the finalists in the APP of the year.

I damn and announced they fought the .

winners yet have nano here. What was the .

podcast of the year? Ha .

history?

A wondering podd cast about .

a to versy serious .

illness and that spread among a group of high school girls.

Yes, see that's um yeah and but the problem is that I mean, you can do that for twenty .

years .

now that's .

a many zero series.

That's the problem, you know. Well, good for good for dan. congratulations.

That starts episode one. Outbreak spans. Oh, I don't know if I would rid do.

Why do people want to listen to this? I wonder. Anyway, hysterically congratulations. The podcast of the year is that because IT had the most downloads of every other show, no, it's just IT rose to number one in july twenty twenty four at end of the years number nine.

Yeah, it's a demonstrated in quality and innovation points. And so again, it's apple choosing. I just want to point out all these things that we talk about here.

These are all decided by apple. The apple, yes, it's edit. Well, it's marketing. So because I mean, it's apple. So IT is editorial in the sense, but like they have a podcast APP and they have an APP store.

And so really what they're doing is the IT is uh uh, people doing content, but they're also, you know are they choosing based on uh completely objective criteria? Are they choosing based on uh, relationships with developers and things like that? I mean, I think there there is a lot that goes into this to just keep your eyes open. It's always nice to see uh, apple recognize developers for their good work. But IT is marketing for the head store and the .

good is IT isn't necessarily popularity contests. Sometimes they do lift up apps that are well made that often times the unifying factor is that this is a good example of of mac or iphone or visions O S or ipad O S design. This is is the sort of things that apple wants to put more eyes on.

And a lot of IT is promotional. A lot of IT is what's going to sell very, very well. I wasn't first first to notice this, but it's like IT was kids kind of interesting that like there are no A I apps on this list like ever, given that A I apps are some of the most interesting and transformative mobile apps that are that are on the apps store right now.

I don't think it's I I don't think there's anything weird about IT, but that is that is to note that this is whatever metro they're going for, not about the number of downloads is not about necessarily style iscc impact. There is a lot of arguments, i'm guessing, between a lot different factions, just like on a lot of Jason's podcast that live arguments about when we do when we do our own, when we do our own picks of holiday movies involving bears, it's like, go, I can't believe you. You chose to. The revenue is not a Christmas movie, but that is a Christmas movie. When you think about IT.

as is die heart, when you don't talking about IT APP of the year finalists are drum please kino. Um I think we've talked about that. Haven't alex enos a movie making?

Yeah it's a great it's um from the folks that brought you highlight so .

so so yeah yeah so .

really really it's kind of IT split the difference between the apple photos APP and like magic APP you know where it's not quite as complicated as black magic but not quite as simpler stic as the apple photos one or or simplified I don't know.

It's simplistic every I think american proud american wants to do, which is great log movies .

with lots in my world that's .

super important. I know I bet they have an opinion on hl, geno .

s dr.

but I mean, they they know .

is Better than so.

The h is easy, but do we do Better? But for people listening.

the uh the a the um for .

people listening, the light means that you can shoot in log, but you can watch IT in you in what you want to in in the regular linear color space so that you can understand what you're looking at, why shooting. So that's why the lot is important .

to a camera clear as mud, mr. lenz. Y, no, actually, I know what you're talking about, but I am speaking for the every man now keino, and and you do recommend IT, right? Or would you others use the black magic?

So I admit that I I recommended for anyone where the black magic one feels too deep and and the um and the apple photos make crazy because all the all the tools are kind of hidden in weird ways. So if you if that if you're kind of in that so you open up of the black magic, wow, that's too much or you go into the photos APP and you go, oh, that's not enough. I can't find anything. The key is perfect for you. Um it's got a clean interface that IT gives you a lot of control.

Um I still you I just everyone over the building camera, the built in one .

know is just a lot of the features that are available that the camera has available to you or kind of either hidden or not available to you for apple tries to make IT easy for everyone. They have a lot of great tools that they put in. They put you know you look at all this like they shot the weekend music video with IT and they shot this with IT. When they are doing that, they're not using the apple photos like they're using the phone. It's a shot with an iphone IT doesn't say shot oh.

but they're using something black magic opens up .

every belin whistle and could possibly have that that the camera is capable of delivery except maybe spatial. And um so so IT IT opens up all of those options, but there's a lot of interface to IT now there's a lot of rose and rose and rose of settings and all these things and easy for you to take bad footage. You know you can get their settings wrong. KO is of, in my opinion, kind of have with .

between yeah so so when you shoot and log, your shooting to get all of the data. But IT doesn't look right initially because looks color graded before IT actually abNormal. And so what this does allows you to shoot in log gives you an instinct grading so you can at least see something that look sort of like what you want. And then at at, at some point you could either use another tool or use IT to you might out like lot, which is you may look up table that tells you what color should really look like.

Yeah, the look up tiles just says, instead this color go to this color instead this color go to this color is just a curve if you think a photoshop curves just do that in three. And so the the, but the the becomes with .

built in color grades, but they're pretty good.

I mean, they are good. They are minor, very specific, like we have discussions about, are using the C H, G, are used the specific ones. And a lot of times get going. We don't really use kind of prebuilt lots like a lot of times we will go out and shoot test footage and then we take IT into resolve. You and we make IT looked the way we wanted to look, or or I actually get colors that I know to make you look the way he wants to to look. And then I, and then he sends me back a lot.

So you can derv a lot from an image that you've got IT to look exactly as you want. You can. I've let from that in resolve. Then he was the original, here's be the what I wanted to look like. Please give me a look up table.

the maps yeah exactly exactly so and typically that a is a um is a log, you know shot or wrong wrong, more log that's shot. And so the color is will go in and set up the nodes inside of the color window, inside of resolve. And then you just literally select the image right click on that and export of thirty three point walk or and that thought people .

who do still photography, this is somewhat analyze of shooting and raw. You have to process IT afterwards to get actually that looks Normal, right? So we've really gone deep into kino what is running as anybody here actually exercise.

just I actually do run, but I ve never used runa.

so I I can't is an opportunity, excuse me, which is a very popular runners. APP is just disabled to say, pi for most third party tools, which is probably disappointed to people with apple watches. And so if you you like to get that stuff in the apple health.

for instance, yeah, well, there are a couple of running apps on here because there is also a couch to 5k APP。 In the best apple watch nominees. So they're definitely leaning into that.

And I have used apps. I haven used this APP, but i've definite used a catch to pik apps and other run tracking apps on the upper watch to do that. And and that's pretty, but I I can't speak to runners other than that.

It's got tailored training plans, which is great because that's actually the thing. I ended up doing a lot of manual timing using a an APP called intervals pro because I couldn't find an APP that would set my training plan properly. So I ended up in putting IT on my you know on my phone manually and sinking into my watch and having that train plan right up, uh, for you is it's Better.

right five K K half ultra. So and one of these you could get IT would generate a training .

plan for you. And it's really nice because he knows when you're running, it's not just like telling you OK now run, like will tell you what your places are, but also tell you like some of them do international training. I know that's how I did IT with my five 5k training is， you know, IT tells you to run for a while, then IT tells you to have take a break and then tells you to run again. And IT gives you your stats. And that could be really helpful to have basically a coach who is speaking to you in your ears as you're running.

Interesting apple pick this because IT only has five reviews. Of the five reviews there are, there mostly are five star and then there's a whole bunch of one stars. There .

really seems to be no agreement away.

Okay ah if you throw the top of bottom way, you have no reviews. So there you ago, run, mean.

The mean is no opinion.

What's over the media? The media runner is a finalist where we should mention these are not winners. And then the last one in the finalist for iphone APP of the year is trip C, C. Travel planner.

I have used this one and IT is good. The idea there taking a trip and you can loaded IT up with, uh, information they'll give you, you know, weather per day, which I really like. That is a winning picture.

There are too many apps to do that. I when I went to new zealand last year, that was one of the things I really wanted, is I wanted to see we are in different cities, in different days. And I wanted an idea of what the weather was going to be like. Trip sea will do that.

It's got a bunch other things .

really nice lives, a ary planners flight update things with your calendar like IT is if you want to be like have an APP that works with you want like every day of your trip and what you're going to do and in all of that uh trip, sy does that. It's actually it's a very impressive .

APP in that I do most this by hand in notion, just kind of created a .

notion because I do apple notes for a lot of this time.

But yeah, the reason I use notion is I could share IT with my partner or other people so they kind of know what we're doing itself with. Does trips they have that kind of a capability.

can you I don't know if if I I didn't try that out. I tried this while ago when they were still developing, but it's it's it's a nice idea. Yeah but you can sure you are with you, okay, cause that's really key, right?

You going to do all is planning, but you don't want to have the only one to know is exactly .

that's going what happens when you get hit by a truck wall on your vacation and nobody will know where to go next.

by the way, some of these run up for sure. And trip Y H also run on the ipad, and trip sy runs on the mac as well. So the and the apple watch.

So there you go. There's your three. You are you go on are we .

good apps of the year.

the apps of the year. Now we have game findings. I'm not going go into as much detail.

Afc journey for building a chanting fantasy world's with striking battles, the way cleaner for delivering compain play and zenas zone zero. Know i'm starting to feel like the iphone games are really pretty crappy. My wrong on that.

There are just there's just have .

the same as I think .

it's and this is this is one the reasons why I really still in my playdate um because so many of the games are just one very, very strange loan game developer who didn't have to bounce any ideas out of anybody. They just thought that was weird. I just want to see this game happen. You really have to dig to find like the stuff that really gets my attention on on any kind of a mobile game.

Those are for iphones, for ipad. The APP of the year finalist blue let's plan and know a lot of kids like blue. You got to love blue for lovable characters and talking .

the other day about the most viewed things on, uh, you. A half of them are kids for kids.

You know why, alex? Because the kid will watch the same video of thousand times, right? And when you use to to smart, you .

sometimes baby shit .

exist, if only adult or in the world, because you hear that wants you go on, that's cute. That's IT. You don't want to hear IT again, yeah, but a kid wants to hear IT over and over and over. And so I think you when you see all those kids with iphones and ipads in the restaurant, they're plane blue noise is an incredible .

yeah really incredible APP. I mean, I just it's like it's magical .

musicians. So IT listed as ipad.

but IT is also a um it's iphone as well as iphone as well. And so um my daughter uses this heavily. And so so what he does with IT and is that she's got a electronic drums and so she's trying to learn the electronic drums, learn a new drum rip for one of the things she's in a couple bands um uh and SHE uh he can take this, he can take a song and uh he usually download from youtube or whatever throws IT in the voices and IT will separate all of the instruments. So this and IT gives you a levels control over each this good job.

That's incredible.

I like IT does a job like I don't even know how that's possible like IT it's I don't understand that to be honest. Like IT is so good at points apart and doing them so cleanly and then .

and you can actually separate the rythm .

and the lead guitar and IT gets Better. You keep do that. Yes, exactly. IT. And I didn't do that when we bought IT, but now IT does IT. IT keeps on an adding more and more tracks that are available. And so the interesting thing is, is then what he does is SHE takes that and mixes IT in with her drums so that he can turn just the drums up and play with the drums until he gets IT and then turn the drums down. Drummer and everything else playing around and and IT is is just transformation. Like it's just like sometimes it's one of those apps that I just go, uh, I don't think I matter use that I meant to recommended IT a year ago or when we actually but it's just like this is we're living in the future and .

I with this this is remark but I should apologize to mike rose americas. Of course, IOS today has already done all this and talked about and if you like apps, this is that the shut listen to but you know, I thought we should bring this up since were so .

I I also was kind of interesting that's like so many of the pigs were like, wow, I don't be like room what's that like the in in the mac apps like all both of are there are two productivity apps that we know well all my focus on live room. The third one is a pipeline uh, feature for like 3d production so O， O K, thank you.

A shapers 3d yeah .

get some relatively fordable。

yes. So these are big. So the first to our big name products, I mean, I guess something focus isn't accept anybody has been an apple space for a while. Those very well, the ami group here. And I think of the focus probably been an up of the year finalist for a long from the many times before.

I again, I mean that the company like they are like they were writing mac apps before, before there was mac APP development because they were writing these mac apps as next step apps. So you can't get like a more tighter pet gory or understanding of the philosophy of a mac and oriented APP. And I was pleased to see light room in there because my god, that the leaves that that has been made in the past three years this year to the uh, not just the best top up of the mobile APP where things that were like, i'm finding fewer and fewer reasons to wait until I get home to edit a photo because there are so many advanced features on my on the mobile APP for doing things like, oh, I but I only want this to affect some the face or this object, uh, inside the frame and oh, you will automatic detect objects for me and I can or even with people in the frame you can save you could to say, please identify all the people in this in this in this image not by name or by shape which shapes that that that the represent people and they say, okay, I want this these ideas to affect only person free and only they're clothing and it's like it's I keep saying that one the reasons why I i've never got into mobile gaming on my phone is that lighting mobile is like my entertainment APP. When I when i've got spare time ten years waiting for a bus or like an hour waiting in an airplane or something like that, it's just so much fun to work with. So uh, not i'm surprised to see them named someone so important, by the way, particularly because like, okay, so if they're buying their own competitor to photoshop and to take IT in house and maybe IT released as a free APP, you're choosing to give promotion to adobe, which which means that means that they're being honest. But it's like, oh, boy, that's this can be fun.

Next year jumping.

we jumped, hit a little bit. I make this quick ipad up of the year. finance. I just don't want to leave appropriate dreams because of people appropriate saying you mentioned boy and noises, what about us procreate dreams is, I guess from appropriate team savaged .

active build options, all of these apps .

appear. You will not be surprised to believe in various apple keynotes over the court time, uh, which is again a sign that there are apps that are liked by people, especially I think, in developer relations with an apple. And I think those are the people who .

drive and I think probably who decides yeah.

I would think I I don't know but that's my guess and it's all other kind right enemy. You talk about iphone APP sometimes feeling kind of see me um that again, I don't want I don't want to be two down on the awards because I really love that they're recognizing third party apps, but they are recognizing and for reasons that make apple happy, right?

So one of the reasons that a lot iphone apps especially get recognize this because apple lakes to show off apps that have heavy graphics use because they want to use IT to show off their GPU when they released new iphones. And so they're really into that when you know are the are the is the market into that or is a really the apples into that? And you see that you know if if it's adopting apple technologies, they really love IT because that's what they are trying to to pro one is just something to keep in mind.

Um also you know they're they're gna prefer apps that are working with them as partners and that are in the APP store and all of those other things for for my apps, for example, I didn't notice that in their pressure, they linked to light the mobile version of light room. In the mac APP of the year category, which is a oops but uh anyway, it's it's a great not mac APP but IT was nominated for mac APP of the year. So i'll give you up the mac game of the year. One of them is a stray, which is an amazing game. But like what they're really happy about is that that's A A fairly uh, high profile game that came to the mac this year.

It's a double a title. You get to play a cat .

wondering around. It's a great game. But yes, IT is somewhere between .

cute the game and triple game.

Glad that they gave IT uh.

promotion I put for any developer .

for any developer getting the marketing muscle, even a little the weakness and flavius of marketing muscles of apple behind your APP in any way. It's a big deal.

It's important. I was talking to a developer, this is years ago, so I don't know it's the same now. But they were they there APP was in one of the commercials. IT just flew by logo, the logo, and they showed that someone actually use IT for like a second IT was like a second or two second that you saw someone actually using their APP quarter million dollars a month.

They one was, he was like.

suddenly they didn't have to work anymore, like he was IT IT just turned the whole switch. They did know how was the last I was talking to them. They're eventually it's going to fade away.

But you know like we're going to enjoy IT well, last and you know but that was IT that paid off of their house, paid off everything else. They're just in two on apple. So these these recommendations, and I don't think that I don't think I look at these and o that they ring wrong.

Like you you know it's like there are these are strong apps like like for instance, I I do think that in the a apple vision pro, they have jig space listed as the number one. I think it's the most impressive other than playing movies. The the most impressive non movie APP in the apple vision pro is jack space.

I I think you're right. I I I think IT comes from a point of view because of course IT does IT comes from maples point of view. I think it's telling. Like when I saw jack space listed, I thought, well, of course, I literally got a vision pro demo from apple at apple with jig space, right? Like I know they like that.

And when I show IT, when I show to someone I like, you got to go into jig space and take a look at this like you can see what where. And I think this is to your point, IT shows you where the apple vision pro could go, like it's it's actually not a very practical APP because the development process is really expensive and painful and all kinds of all the things that you don't see that many new things. But it's the best example, I think a lot of these movies and jig spaces, an example of showing you what the technology could do um and kind of from a vision prospective.

well, anyway, it's also useful for us as users to get some discovery in here. So that's nice. But it's much like the editorial function, the highlights, these things in the APP store themselves itself is.

yes, I got it's well, but a useful if I do wish that the APP store itself were a little bit more discoverable, a bit more fun to just say i'm kind, kind dissatisfied with the image view apps. So I have right now, I want to sort of Browns and explore or even I don't know, I haven't really looked at new apps of any kind because my mike tools seem to be kind of okay. I just want to see what's new.

I want to see what's I think used to be like R, S, S. To scribe to me, back when the influx of apps was somewhat manageable, the firehole es was at least something that you could keep on top of if you were so bizarre to want to take a look at IT. I feel like I do still feel like it's hard to know if I just want to see I just want to really know of a lot about the the breath of text editor tools that are available for the mac. And that just doesn't seem like there's an easy way to do that unless you're just interested in editorially pick content, feature content or the best sellers. All .

right, geek time has asked a question that i'm afraid I must ask. Alex, did you try to deep fry your turkey? H, this year .

did not. I, I suited. So I.

how did you injure your thumbs? Is the question .

the story?

Don't right, you tell you with your windows in the storm.

windows never manually drop your turkey into the fire. I guess would be them the lesson when you work .

in shipping and receiving, when you eighteen years old and use a two chemical process to do, uh, packing materials, it's a two chemical IT turns into phone yeah all over the packages IT says to um put gloves on. Don't let a touch your skin h and eighteen years old you don't pay attention to that and so that when IT gets cold your skin .

cracks oh so this is an injury from your youth.

It's a thirty thirty year old. I just so everyone in a while I put these on to IT just lots of him back up again.

It's hard. Member .

before .

I usually member, take them off before the show.

So that sounds unpleasant.

Just follow the instructions that the only lesson IT hasn't hurt my my life, uh, too much. Just follow the instructions.

Just follow the instructions.

Especially the ones with the big circle that has like the evil side. Just one thing. And I used to use IT for everything I to send people like cassez. And I feel like I put IT in a phone package because I can do that company. And one more APP, it's gonna leos epic.

It's actually not my APP pic because they end up charging you money in three days and usually shouldn't have to pave money for this. It's called a death clock I showed on sunday on twitter. I just want to let you know that I will be dying march seventy eight, twenty forty one to death clock and just thought that warring ahead a time. They do actually give you a little graphic that says save the date, but since I didn't want to pay forty dollars for this information.

well, to to be fair, but they gotta make sure they get that money out.

Your true.

they give you a three day at three day today, which is enough time to get your actual. It's so funny because it's a questioner. You go through the whole thing and then IT says, if you want to know when you're gona die, you should give us some money.

That's like why I A fortunately, they have a three day trial, which is free. You can find out when you're going to die. And then I don't know why you'd pay forty dollars a year for this, but I guess the idea is they tell you when you're gona die based on what your current habits are and then how much longer you could live if you change your habits. And since changing my habits, things like eating vegetables would only add six years to my life.

I'm just to shine now.

Now, the Operation of question, of course, has to be, have you read this, the privacy public policy?

Oh my god. Yeah because I told you a lot of stuff.

That's one reason like it's actually reassure to see oh good they're charging a lot of money for this. That's how they they want to model .

ze this hopefully. Yx, ah there is actually a website that is pretty much the same thing. IT says i'm lived to ninety, so I don't know.

I trust that one Better. I think it's more accurate. Just thought i'd let you know that the the last mac break weekly .

will be march seventeenth, twenty twenty one. Part part of IT is like maybe i'm not going to a bench watch season three and four of only murders that be a building I need to save some things i'm going have to fill like another fifteen years. I didn't .

think I have I think think is going to have .

a lot of fun on same park. Yes, yeah, let's take a break. You watch a mac break weekly. Alex, Linda and the anecdo, Jason snow and me talking about the latest apple news. There is not much, but we have some more. I don't know if we're to have an occasion to play the vision proc me, but let's say, oh yes, andy, you found a story actually .

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The ftc now is looking into banning or restricting what data broke can sell of your information, including your social security number. If they do sell that information, can you believe they are actually allowed to do that? They will be viewed as a credit reporting agency, not as as a as a privacy fading data broker, which means I ve even more regulation.

This is a very small step. IT is just a first step and IT isn't even a step yet, is just proposal. But i've said for a long time, i'm not going to really credit congress with doing anything for our privacy by banning tiktok unless they go east a step further and band data brokers.

What I mean, who cares about tiktok if china and anybody else can buy the same information will completely legally online, in fact, Better information because the data brokers collected from all the apps. Um but congress has yet to do anything. Maybe the ftc we will see, but actually the ftc, it's the c fpb, which means they're trying to do this before january twenty years because IT, that agency will probably disappear.

And it's especially important because a lot of the enforcement agencies are using these these resources to get around a to get around like being to get having to get warrants for certain information because if they can just buy information, right, instead of having to go through recorder and come as a judge, it's been happening a lot. And we need to put breaks on IT. Basically, a lot of IT is that they will give you if this rule costs into effect IT means that they've have to go ask you for explicit mission before they move, they sell on your social security number. Why is that already not illegal?

That was the stunning thing in this story. And they're allowed to sell your social that's legal.

If they got IT, they're even banning IT.

By the way, they're just saying, well, that's going to put other more regulation. And I guess we should probably give you the bad news, which is january twenty eighth, it's all over.

Well, maybe made the consumer five financial protection beer has been all over the news, even the apple news for the past few months. They are doing such great where there was a story just a couple of weeks ago. I don't know if we talked about IT or not where they decided the first.

They were the agency that say, okay, apple, the apple card and and the bank organza that that runs, that you basically screw up a whole bunch away things. You can you if you haven't been responding to user complaints in a timely fashion, you haven't been doing a charge backs fast enough. All this world of stuff and they get hit by hit by finding the stuff that.

And then a couple weeks ago, they went ahead and said, okay, guess what? Uh, we've decided that there are so many new like google has their own has their own financial movement system. Apple has their own financial movement system for consumers.

We've now decided that you now have to be regulated. You have to now have to fallow the same rules that a credit card company or a bank does in those circumstance. Ces, so you can't just simply decide that these don't apply to us. We're just two hippies in a garage.

Again， they were doing such wonderful, wonderful the the consumer of financial product protection before the four letters that a lot, I mean, I wasn't really terribly aware of bit until like eight or nine months ago, until the first time there was a news item that referred to, I started hitting its website. And then I book marked to hell out that website because the actions that they take are always meaningful and not uh vague in their intent for their purpose. They they would swiftly and accurately their great oranienburg. They stick around.

It's a lizz with warn created. And I have a feeling I will be one of the first things. This is.

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and dupe a lot of .

waste yeah I don't see the need of yeah that's he .

actually wants to delete, literally used the word delete the c fpb yeah .

he's a .

smart way. You know we should really just deleted. I think all the money will save probably.

I don't want to get into pop stop. Here's a, here's a happy go. Lucky story.

Grok made some money on his apple stock. William gallagher writing the apple insider. So greg, who is an nf player? R .

yeah.

I don't. I bet you he isn't dumb, but he sure plays dumb on TV. Let's say.

say that as as an a englander who's been like when he was playing like every single week to be a story, he was like r yog bara, or he, or he was like the those really great old timmy football players in the sixties when they are giving interviews in the seventies and eighties where they're just like, is the kiss .

for our times lady gentle, he's talented.

He knows, he knows what he's about and he's a good story toller. And he, thanks for now, we having heard any bad stories about him.

so we can still think him as a lovable. Now we're happy for, and I felt play by play. And he also is, of course, very rich from his years at the patriots.

also grown costi. How can we also, IT would be a thing if he didn't turn out to be a football player, because is too good a nickname to waste.

So fortune magazine rock in twenty fourteen was building a house. And the guy building IT would not stop talking about. Apple stuck every time I saw when we were building the house, he kept saying, good apple, get apple.

So after the fifty years time I got IT, and let me tell you, it's the best investment ever had in my life, grancy should bot. He says, by the way, i've never been involved in stocks. I really don't know how stocks work.

So I called up my financial adviser, put sixty nine thousand dollars in apple, says, grank, nice. yeah. That was when apple was just about to take off, right, twenty fourteen.

And I was rose kind of artificially. And he chose, he happened to pick a moment when, like, everyone was on a cell mode. And yeah, he did very well. Yes, he said.

going to this day, I have over six hundred thousand dollars in apple stuck all because of that investment I made in twenty fourteen, having no idea what I was doing, but just listening to the guy who built my house.

I was a perfect story. He says like because he's he's got money. He can say he just called this broker whatever said, yes, give me sixty thousand dollars in that apple thing forgot all about IT until, like another mediocre, the way you think your your apple stock is quick ripped in the past two years.

Not a funny story. That is a funny story. A little moves bush to move on from what would otherwise be kind of unpleasant news. Vision, let's do our vision Price segment. But john, actually, are you ready .

for to press the but.

I was going to give you time. I was going to take a break and then let you get fined .

and get the button ready.

I am ready to go right on top of IT. Just actually it's like I do this for a living lio do you do we pay you? You're not a volunteer.

I take my k .

because when you know pod castings is not doing very well, we love john. A vision OS two point two twenty nine to five. Mac is bringing some upgrades, three upgrades that make the vision pro actually a huge boost, a huge now we've talked about mac.

a virtual display.

They are they stating IT is three.

and it's not really three is basically because it's really one which is stuff. This is the mac display modes. And the fact that the basic mode is also clear than IT was before. And then what's their third item?

Routing audio to the right place .

and fixes a bug involving sound. Okay, well, wow, you convince me.

Wow, let's all buy a vision pro kids. If they say that truly makes the vision pro in next gene .

computer strongest, I think can be backed up by, uh.

the story. It's great that apples adding value to the product. I mean, I I don't think that when we were hopeful last year before having before the day, but we thought that like by this time, there be a big update that everybody loves and appreciate and agrees a great thing for the for the system as like yeah the feature that allows you to use IT as A A display for the computer you do actual work on. It's a bigger display and it's a Better detail.

Well, I mean, I don't know what I mean, that's true. But if you go back to when this product was announced and people were talking about features of the vision pro, i'd say even back then, people said that mac display thing might be the killer APP. Like I think that i'd actually very early on, people were like, wow, that might be really interesting to use this. And and and I think IT is of course, we're still talking about IT, this extended version of IT being in bed. So you we're coming up on, uh, eighteen months since day first announced this product and that killed features still has a ship but maybe now is the time maybe yeah I mean.

about what i'm getting at is that just that like if um if apple had decided that we like virtual reality, we think V R goggles and V R hardware from uh from meta, whatever our interesting products, we think there's only one use case, really great use case for and that is as a floating display that goes wherever you go. And they decided that all we're gonna is do A V R heads set that acts as an external display for your ipad or your mac.

How much less money would would have cost I much? How much a really good display? Like people will spend five hundred thousand dollars on a decent, like gaming display.

And so if you would use that as a benched park, is apple, what could you have done if you just made? Yes, if you yes, we will put some mother stuff in IT to but primarily, you're selling this as an external display. And the budget, the retail budget is a thousand hours or two hundred sense.

Apple display apple cheapest display doesn't cost a thousand dollars.

so a bargain.

Well so the problem is that is that to deliver to me to keep there's there's a few killer apps they are in there. Um you know I think that the um um I I think that the movie I if i'm not with my family, I watch movies on map vision pro like I don't like IT is the best screen i've ever owned you know like as far as watching a film um that's there.

I mean it's it's just really as a sharper IT sounds Better all those things um and I think of the immersive even though I think apples making a lot of missteps with the stuff that they're publishing. I think that that eventually that there's a lot of people that someone see something and you see a couple minutes of IT and there's motion of that going to be great when people actually have cameras and more. Um the uh I do think that the screen I pupiled because I have so many screen at home. But now that i'm traveling when i'm in a plane, it's a pretty big deal gets like it's a pretty is a pretty amazing experience to have that big screen front of me and be able to actually get i've done in coach, you know so I think that that is there.

My my newest thing right now has been, um you know I get to the age where you to start paying attention to blood pressure and I take my blood pressure pretty often now and uh and I tested the meditation APP I was like, you know I I I turned everything into a research project six minutes with the meditation up and and my systolic and diastolic dropped over ten points so you know and I and I and I suddenly got into like, I I mean, I turned IT on us like, that's cute but when you get into five or ten minutes of IT is actually a pretty amazing experience you know to to like IT IT seems like a silly thing from the surface that I actually started to really enjoy. Um so the uh so I think that that you know those types of things I think are pretty interesting. I think jig spaces, we talked about IT earlier.

It's great APP. Apple just needs to make IT accessible like like they need to either buy the company and do something with IT or share lock them and do something and make keynote able to do those things. But something has to happen where you're able to build that kind of experience less expensively and more easily in org g space figures out. I like how to build a business model that actually makes sense. But there is an you know you see this huge gold mine of, uh, how to put things together, how to build things, how to build a key furniture where you use all the screwed, you know like how to do all those things are things that um I think that would be really that's the thing that I I look at.

I need to buy a thirty five hundred dollar headset so I can figure out how to put together a two hundred dollars table that's a .

good using with half square words. Half square words s can add up. Yeah so all the stress.

So no, but I but I think that there are many complex things that that that I am pretty excited about again. And I think that i'm i'm personally wish that apple hadn't cut many corners. They did.

I would have paid six thousand dollars. They had done hundred hundred friends to second. So so the um because you need to have you need to be able to develop for that far end and you can't develop for that foreign.

If IT doesn't exist, it's easier to go back and say, okay, now we're going to do a cheaper one that does all things. But I think that the problem is delivering those movies to the screen at that at the frame rate in the resolution that they're doing IT required probably almost all the processing power that you're looking out there like. So there's not that much if if you're able to see through IT and able to see the environment around you and then put up a screen, you're probably looking at three or four thousand dollars. So like it's not I don't think what has saved a lot to say. I just want to play um you know a 4k image in there are companies that do ten per I， but they're cheap and weird and it's not the same like you know.

So I have to say that all the guys met is putting out this holiday season to get the meat quest are probably good for the vision, for the good for the category. Anyway, they show people using IT to do all the things that you would expect a nerd helmet would do. And I think it's probably good for.

I mean, supernatural is the best stamp on the quest .

is the boxing games are like the the music games and so forth. But so here's an interesting idea, and I hope that comes true. The president, real madrid, the big soccer team in spain, is upgrading their stadium, and they apparently are thinking of making IT possible to attend the game in the vision pro.

This is reported by marka. He says everybody wants to come to santiago, but in our bail, and that's why we're negotiating with apple to be able to wear glasses and watch the match as if you were at the stadium. That would be the infinite on the ago. I think that's kind of interesting.

I actually know a lot about this kind of coverage.

but in the line of five max story a, they say they don't go into what IT would take to do that.

What would you take to also little context? It's not as so the you'd be really suspicious of this if this was in A V R company that is oh where in negotiations with apple to create technology for this often times to self emotional this was just something that in the context of we're brilliance new stadium yeah we know we got addressing an actual complaint. Well, one of the three ways were trying to address this is that we are actually talking to apple about along people to visit the stadium and V R. So really, really bit interesting .

ah so um socket games are really hard to do in the .

r i've done a lot of them because they use the whole the two big.

And so what happens this is that the resolution break down, uh or you don't you know in the wrong place most the time. So where we put cameras in the pastor midd field, we put cameras at the goal. The goal is obviously really cool.

The reason the goal is cool is because you have something in the foreground that tells you in three d you see a lot of dimension, the promise, no one's there most of the time. Then you put that in the middle, the pitch, and then you, and then you um you everyone's too far away, just two and then is low resolution and then you put IT in the crowd and IT doesn't any sense, really low resolution. And even though these are really high resolution cameras and screen and everything else IT is it's really hard to find a place in a sock.

I mean, I kind of gave up on IT like I just have to say that it's like I I feel like this is like we thought of this eight years ago and then and then we did a bunch of IT and then we were like, like this is things that work exceptionally well in V R. Are close quarter. So M, M, A boxing.

That type of thing like they had done, they had done an immersive record of the the boxing matches that netflix did. That would be something that people want to want to watch because when it's close up, you remember that the active area that really makes sense in V R. Is five to twenty feet like that. That's the world is five to twenty feet. And anything longer than twenty feet away, okay, you know. And so and you'll see that if you look at all the examples that they show, if if anyone has a heads that you put up on, the stuff is five to twenty looks amazing, everything else is just kind like, okay, it's fine um and so and it's in in what apple proved as if you get really close, it's really uncomfortable. So the um so the uh so um I think that so is IT .

full to say, let's s let's do this. Make up a virtual game.

knock themselves. Maybe you've figured out something that we didn't figure out eight years ago. You know, like I like, but but all of many .

because what that sounds like is he's not trying to do the that was cool. I'm at the goal line or i'm on the ball or whatever he wants to make IT. So you're there stadium. I don't .

know if that's I don't know if IT again, it's it's it's just you got to maybe I am always looking forward to be improving wrong on on a production pipeline like I would not move the cameras the way apple moved and emerged in a couple there, a couple shots there. There was like, I would have never done that and IT totally work like, you know and then there's a one just stuff that in the weekend and I would never do and I would still never do so so the so the um I am only more sure of IT now so so the so I think that um but socks just I can say a lot of people have dull their swords walking on the soccer wall like .

with VR like this .

like backing on the VR wall.

So title like like yeah it's a really it's .

not the right venue for this at the current resolution and technology that we have right now. It's just not the right place for this.

And there are so many places .

that is you both boxing and a restless uh anything that's close quarter um you know is anything that's gonna all happen mostly twenty feet away. Where are the most of the actions to be twenty six of camera? It's going to be IT looks great, you know and so so those things are are the a um you know it's and things that go why there's this temptation you saw this with the um uh concert for one is there's a temptation to try to fill the whole space, but you don't actually want the person to look to the side. You want them to feel the side, you want them to look at what's in front of them and um because every time they see the black IT takes them out of the experience and so so the so the so I think that um but again, I I think that there there are sports that really lend themselves to IT and concerts and all kinds of other things. It's just that more often going after people often go after the ones that are harder.

But but I think that we talk last week about that really cool looking at one APP A V R APP h for the proof that was pull while they discuss, write to the f with f one for the footage of IT. And I don't necessary, couple years ago, I might have thought that, oh well, great.

I can actually be in the cockpit and I can feel like i'm actually there when actually that such a great example of like a to be able to watch the baseball or basketball or even soccer or football, anything where in front of me is the entire field like a like A A game version video conversion of the field that I i've got a god's I view on things, whether it's real or whether it's something that's being simulated. Remember that I think was next week of the sympson. They're doing a special symptoms simulation of an n fell game where in real time they are replacing all of the players with summer characters.

Is that what can I do? I saw the end for that. They're going to actually IT will be the game as simple characters playing .

IT and that with toy story characters last oh .

that's what what happens .

is that you know you can build the characters out and and depends on how much detail that they want to do IT. But you're basically build in every uh player and then you're using um a variety of algorithms. People call A I course because that's cool.

But there are using a bunch of things that are going to track that information. It's going to extrapolate IT gets a little complicated when they get into a obviously into A A bundle. So um but when a pilot AR, but when they are running, it's able to do a pretty good job of figure out where they're moving.

It's not actually and then what IT does you take? You create what uh skeleton that is just what we call the um rigid bodies. The rigid bodies in someone's body are things that Normally want to change in relationship to each other unless something horrible happens. And so, so .

football parts of IT.

So big bodies are your four ARM, your upper ARM, your, you know, your chest cavity, that your hips, those type of things you track those, you turn those into a skeletons and you take that skeletons, you apply to the C G. And you can do that these days in real time. You know that's not and it's uh and so then and then you contract their position. And I mean, it's there's a lot people are trying to get to a point where you could actually stand on the field and have VR versions of the football players and you could watch from where the referee is or you could watch from where and and .

that up close when i'm getting guys, I don't necessarily want to place myself on the field. I want this this basic set up of in front of me, on a table where the real virtual, I have the entire field in front of me. So baseball, where when there is a head into the field, I want to follow where the balls going, like where the play is going, I can go there.

But I I can also select virtual displays around IT that are live video feeds, because there are times when, like, right in front of me would be the big screen, which would be like the the conventional TV coverage of bit, where the directors calling all the shots. But like when i'm at a real ball game, I love looking at the interactions between the catcher and the hometown ay empire. I would want like a fixed position on that. And I want to fix position on the pitch and I want to fix position on this so that after the after the things been hit into the midfield S, I want to see how the catch is setting up the play. I want to see if he's doing that.

Those wonderful, uh, those jedi mind tricks that catches sometimes try to play against the ump ire like making them think that the strike zone is bigger than IT is or intentionally shielding their view of something that they don't want them to see at the plate so that that will get a Better chance to a good call if things do the ability to like interpret this as exactly how I specifically want to be able to see IT. Even there are so many video feeds happening at the same time uh as excuse me, during the the airing of the shooting of of a live game, the ability to at least give me a menu of few points to choose from, I get not in a immersive of 3d way， but basically be able to see, oh, I really want to see was happy at the plate like as he is he signaling for cut off or is he actually preparing for a plate the plate? That's the world stuff yeah. And I think the creative stuff like that is a little bit lateral, but I think it's a really, really interested IT would make me a lot more interest. Not a three thousand dollar heads set, but maybe a thousand dollar set.

What of apple's vision prop nominees with the N B A R? And that's an example where it's not quite the uh Anita single game, but they've got multiple or you can place you know different games in a you know as a manias and watchmen kind of view if you want. I can see all the N B, A at once, but IT speaks in the M L B. They have been experimenting with this too, where you're sort of watching the game on the jumbo turn.

But there's also like a 3d field because they've got sensors on every player or they've a they got cameras that can measure all the spaces that every player is moving through at any given time where the ball is。 And and I do wonder yeah if if one I I think maybe there are multiple last works of this but like Alice said, some sports might actually be improved by being um you know by being Anita a little bit more than being immersive and and that's that's okay um as somebody who has been to a lot of baseball and football games live, um you know the live shadie experience can be kind of annotated to by the score boards and stuff like that. So I do wonder um like I I would be really interested in getting A T roseate for a you know like from she's court side that I can be a game. I mean that would be really interesting. I would be a very different experience doing that.

Right, alex, that's but within twenty feet.

if you're that we have done as we put them right table set IT right up in front of where the scores table is and but still out bound, obviously. And then the and then you look at IT and IT is the the problem we had when we did IT, I don't know, four, five or six years ago um was that our framework y wasn't high enough. So this gets into where the .

more pretty ick. So ball.

so thirty friends a second, which is where we are at when we are doing four k per I stereo a hundred eighty, so you can turn all the way to the side, one, eight, three, sixty you could go away around. But the the problem we had was I was elson .

in the back there is actually .

and at sixty um we felt at sixty friends is second be Better but really where we wanted to get to hundred and twenty because that action does make a difference. But IT is you suddenly realize why people pay two thousand dollars to see you get it's just an amazing experience and people are coming by in and again, there's enough action. That's a good example of where IT does work.

Um and and there's other things you can do like we are talking about the we knew golf is a one that doesn't work right. You know in general, golf is not a great experience for this. But what we did is we able to put three sixty cameras at different Greens. So that's a place that IT doesn't make a difference. And and so and then .

if you put that on the pen, then you can see the .

ball come and we put IT. There are still .

playing a game. I mean, it's like scores .

and these are big camera. That's a camera, that's a basketball size camera. And so so the the the easier to find.

But what was interesting .

as is that if you took the content and just put the sixteen by nine, the content you see on T, V, without all of the data on IT and no lower third one of that, you just put a big screen because because you want and then you have all the data on one side and your social stuff on the other side. It's great experience you're sitting in there.

You're kind of in IT like you you're in you're seeing twitter feed, you're seeing all the data that you want. When you want, you have experience. And then every once in a while, you just transition to the to the three sixty experience when there's someone something happening there and then you go back to .

IT that the problem is, can you do that live? O because .

that's the problem.

because you have to do in post. You know, the games over.

Everybody knows the score and nobody really cares.

Live enough. That strikes me the best thing would be chess, the world chest chapter chips going on right now. Nobody watches just the game.

You always watched the commentary and it's right there. It's close. You can look left, look right.

look great again. How do we not think of that? How do we not think of that?

Doesn't move very fast. So the frame rates .

for next year, we're going to do that like to be done if you try .

the new google A I experiment where IT will create IT will play. It's a chess game, but you give me an A I problem. Yeah, yeah.

And and it's it's it's funny, it's it's exactly it's exactly what google is kind of meant to do, which is like oo ve, that's kind of cool, that's kind of fun. And then you think about one level later. I think, my god, the earth resources that are being consumed to make to suggest this that look like Russell s.

it's just and by the way, whoever designed IT doesn't really understand much about chess, because the way the board is angled when you're playing IT makes IT actually very unpleasant. And any way who wants to play chess with cheese pieces, really right?

If they were enable and there are no take, if if you could get, if if you could get rid of.

like you take IT.

I think is the stakes yeah yeah.

So let's see, we're going to play cheese versus wine, which I think you know that that's .

a natural I I do like the fact that like you choose a prom for one and then I will choose for you like an opposing thing to that concept so that I think I did uh, plumbing and IT chose like architecture or elect electronics as as the something actually very good.

It's serially there's I realized that could be how we not had Candy chest that you just if you get, take the person's can .

do you eat IT? Oh, I like there are chess sets that are little, but like the alcohol models, actually that's a good way to do IT. Because if you have to a drink, the person's peace after you take IT.

take a version .

of checkers like that on match one. Shock lass checkers.

Shocked lass checkers, baby, whoever designed this doesn't play chess. K, because this is the worst possible. Elle, to look at a chess game and just released, I can be figured.

I, I, my problem was that, like, they weren't 我， they should have to do, do the like. If there is a light colored set, there has to be a dark colored set. And whatever happens to be light colored set has to go first. And that's I when I played IT on on the phone, at least I got like they put the typical of you're sitting at a table across from person view, just the best top viewing.

Yeah, I can't. This is impossible. This is just awful.

I can't even, even, that's why I am losing to wine. I'm playing cheese right now. I want .

Donald characters, verses.

What the else going on, you can even tell IT so weird. Yeah, alright, let's. That was, ladies and gentleman, believe or not, you see, this is why I want vision, process, the vision.

Pro segment.

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So please twitter that TV slash club to IT enough said. I don't want to believe with the point back we go to MC break weekly. Apple has decided to push home kit support for robot vacuum to next year.

Why don't they just tell the robot back him to go home?

Go home, robot, you're drunk. I don't even even know why this is a story, but I could tell you that's what what's come to you.

I know we are all grateful when apple actually talk detail about their plan for a future software releases. This sort of story is why they don't want to do that is because then everybody says, oh, but apple use said by the end of the year, you'd have robot support in home kid and and and now it's going to come early next year so your a liar and your pants are on fire and like I I don't know if anybody really cares. It's it's a little late.

A few of their features, features they said would be the end of the year onna get pushed to the next O S version sometime early next year. So I have about back him. I D love for you to, you know, all my little things that are not in home kit.

I would love to be able to get in home kit one way or another. So I wait. I've been waiting. I mean, that's the true anybody who's got a robot vacuum already can't use IT in homework IT and or has figured out a way to use IT in .

home kit either way that you couldn't wouldn't give you instructions mean.

at the very least you would be able to like, tell you to go and possibly to tell to run a particular routine, a or telecoms home stuff. I got using theory .

ah yeah and you know what I did with when I used to have a robot, I had a rumble and I would wake up in them in other night. IT plays a little song when he wakes up the room.

but I know IT.

And then every night that would get stuck under .

a piece of frenching go.

And so you know how I said go home. I got up in the middle, then I picked IT up by a little robot hand and put IT back on the station. After the third time of that, I put IT back at a special station under leases tire in the garage. Unfortunately, he noticed IT before running IT over, but we don't have that room by any morning. What one do you use, Jason?

It's it's a room bow. I forget I for something like that with the collector you like IT. It's the kind that doesn't walk randomly but actually has a camera and know where the rooms are, maps itself in all of that.

I do like IT the big problem with IT because I do not like to sweep or or mop or anything like that. What I have to well yeah I mean a lot less and I have three pets so they want to hear yeah ah and having IT run everyday is fine. The problem as I do work at home, these products are best for people who aren't at home when .

they're run to work at work every day.

Two P M, the thing goes off and it's noisy in the house and I have to hide. Well, I mean, it's a vacuum cleaner. I mean, it's little in all, but it's a vacuum cleaner.

A vacuum cleaner is never going to be silent. But yes, I do find that valuable. IT really picks up a lot of stuff just running you.

And then when we're out of the house, um I have a set to run when we leave the house as well and that is pretty great too. So yeah, I mean it's it's a supplement but with three animals in this house plus two people, IT is IT definite does its job. It's I like IT I got I like the area.

But there are many competitors. Now it's become very did amazon in the buying eyr bot? They tried and they didn't. I think is what happened because .

the the human cry was.

I didn't know this, but apple headquarters in the U. K. Are in london's battersea power station .

and is beautiful. My friend mike, he has been there multiple times, and he says that is the most. He says he is more impressive than apple park to him.

What they they definitely has that industrial will feel with the two smoke stack yeah like apple really sharing network cold power now. So apparently from today until new year s. Eve, according to apple, you can watch walls and grammer decorate giant Christmas trees in a stop motion installation shot on iphone sixteen per max and projected on the battersea power station smoke stacks, which are no longer in use. Of .

course, like when the classic things you kind of want to see, like when you have a london boat tour and have this, these, these, both smoked acx, creatively turned into like, wallace is on one side, grama is on the other of the stack is like a time is a really, really thin tree with hydrants and marriage of plenty.

What good will they're creating for everybody by doing something that cool? And also, by the way, oh, of course, they would have of, of course, you know the army animation was happy to use the iphone sixteen procs. They were planning on using them anyway for the .

stop motion project.

But on the less like IT is impressive that like IT is good enough for and start well.

Well, yes, because it's getting blown up to a giant size, right?

Well, they're and projected on like rough. So so but nonetheless what impressed me was that like you sometimes see these behind the scenes. Oh, you you believe this bind the scenes movies like you and you see the behind the scenes and it's like it's in this robo cup, huge like refrigerator size enclosure with a million cables running in and out of IT. This is just now we just start put in an illuminant thing and aimed at at the we .

have a remote activation thousand and frames of stop motion IT looks like some of that .

was done in hand by hand. I the .

motion was, but the camera is not. I mean, he was handlin .

a camera I don't think was fired up. Framing I don't think about and I don't think is really hard down. Yeah so they had like the that's the kind of the larger small rig cage that they use there.

And IT looks like the only thing the attitude was power um and then uh there are is a couple shots in the behind the scenes where they show uh a motion control system that the camera was put on to do pans like that's how you going to do. In some cases, you're using the most controller to change the camera position over time. So that is so that someone they animate if you want to see a pan.

It's complicated because you're moving in the persons, you're moving in the clay, uh armature uh a little bit the same time, the camera the so what they do is there a lot of those are built around a motion control head that just moves one. What you've decided is one frame, you know, for that for that movement while you're doing the other parts that are in front of IT. I think that I think this is a great in agram.

I think they could take a lot further that they could be doing. Arman could be. So armin released and has an APP, the army animation p stopped motion APP.

That, of course, they are promoting in some of the behind the scenes. What I think is the second behind the scenes video is them actually showing, this is how you can do that yourself. You can build a little clapping that would hold your phone. That's a horrible idea, but we going to show you how to do IT that way. Anyway.

I like.

I would like this. I would like put your camera in clay. I was just like, I was like, not okay.

Like, not okay. So so I didn't appreciate. I like just buy, try, but at six dollars, you know like so they are trying .

to they actually show you putting your iphone and you can this right? I'm going to get tuck taken down, secure IT with tape, clay blocks or board. I guess the real point is for kids, right, that you could don't use sugar though you'll never get your phone out right? I was like.

no, was like.

I might came out my kids to put that wrap their phone with clay. I would not be happy. So I pay a lot of money for that.

Came for that for that phone. So argument is .

the tool they're using a argument animation. Um it's a uh it's a it's a little tool. It's just designed to make IT really easy to do.

There's lots of them. I mean, you know a point software makes one. There is a bunch of all the one. There's a lot option the the um but but I also like at the end .

of both of these how to bind the scenes videos, the apple logo. Let me show you that you can show this. They're not going to take me down for during the apple logo does a little little thing.

I don't know what that is. It's got a little weird pin in IT or something. I go back, well, never mind.

What's I don't get that. What is that? Is that some stop motion thing is that a wall is a grammy thing?

Second mechanical switch or something? That's that's all I came up with.

Yeah, yeah, the end of both of these videos. No, what IT means. All right. I thought I just ask because you guys, this is the experts. Um I like what is met, all I know from that is cheese .

coming out this month then came back to see of promotions.

And you know it's funny we were watching in the nfl as one is pretty much constantly on thanksgiving week and saw the apple ad which when IT starts out as little weird because the guy is watching his family on wrap Christmas gifts and it's all really remove this, and then his wife is honey put in your airports and he goes into hearing aid mode. And now we can hear everything.

the version of the short version.

I I just saw .

the one on T V I T barely sense version, I guess make sense.

It's kind of it's a two minute version which you are not .

going to see on on the nfl .

and IT is trust a work about it's hard is your heart strings?

Yeah, I was like, I someone one posted on on something and said, just try not to cry and I was like.

oh, they live in in the long version, the little girl playing her little instruments as he grows up.

You just have to what if you get the whole experience? It's kind of one of those in everybody who says I can't tell a story in two and half minutes. I mean, you know it's it's kind of an up level, not mean not quite the level of up, but it's like that i'm going to show you a bunch of pictures and by the end of IT, you're going to be so yeah so I have .

I wear hearing aides Normally like professional, highly expensive hearing aides for motors where warn results. And starkey, two of last decade. And there is a big difference tween the the airports to.

Your part pro to due. Do you have a hearing in mode? My wife said, mom member to do the hearing test.

I thought, yeah, that's a good idea. I hadn't do that. That's built into the IOS eighteen. And then the hearing test gives you a curve, which is then applied the airports.

But as I mentioned before, there is a significant difference between what the airport ads do and what real hearing aid do there. I think the airports probably are as accurate, if not more accurate, because i've got Better speakers, Better microphones and so forth. But the they seal your ear, which real hearing ages do not.

So with real hearing age you get a little speaks er in your ear, but you still hear around IT. So you hear everything around IT. And the hearing age is just amplifying the voice when you put in the airpower s, it's a little at least IT was for me as a hearing aid where a little quester bic because suddenly i'm ceiling out all these sounds and relying entirely on the airports, microphone and speakers for everything.

And that's a that's a different experience for some people, especially if you've never want hearing aides. IT probably won't seem weird, but IT isn't, I think, necessarily a direct replacement for hearing aides is certainly a lot of less expensive. I ve bought too, so that I can get through the whole day because, of course.

bad life is not as long either. I had only one bad reaction to IT. I'll keep IT very, very short. Like as. So I was watching IT, and I wanted to look, look for more information. And I was doing like a gool search on news, the number of like news articles and commentators that like, it's great about that because it's anti wk, like I I got to cope with apple for doing a proof family ad like revolution is here.

Everything exactly .

is wrong with you.

What I did notice how many IT was really fast, anything within how many family members I talk to the talk about, oh, I think i'm going to get the the airport. D my wife was talking about.

well, that's what I meant when I said. Lisa said, oh, I should do the hearing test. That's really good.

I mean, that I D just nailed IT and apple does that. But once a year they do something where you're going, how do I need that? yeah. So really well.

if I was a beautiful ad, IT did. Effectively, I thought, was interesting that they were making, spending so much time and so much money promoting fairly small feature.

But I guess was I was going to say the exact same thing because the apple has done an enormous number of really cool holiday ads. And of course, they show off apple technologies, but the apple technology is more in the background. The foreground is, again, the teenage son, who is maybe not quite connected to his family.

And you think he's just moving off doing his own thing. But actually what he was doing was shooting a holiday video that showed every everyone in the family how much he loved them. I think the iphone is incidental, is prominent, but incidental. This one, I am not complaining about IT, but this was unique in that IT was a holiday ad that was also specifically a promotion for this specific piece, a harbor in this specific feature.

And I think with the changes in the laws, I think one of the things is there's a lot of ground that to be taken right now like you know. And so I think that, that there is a huge market that people are going to get something, and it's not people who don't have the money or don't have the insurance that can pay for the five thousand dollar version. They're looking for something under three hundred dollars that they can put in that helps them in. A lot of them are people who are border line like they they think they can hear, okay, but they are not ready to say they're not ready to buy a court on code. I think less about whether compete with the here in age but I have family members I have you know um that I know that should be wearing hear ades .

but they're gonna buy a quote on quote that's a real selling .

and I think are thousands of dollars well, but not money. The being able to just throw an a an area pot in and be able to hear everything a little bit clear, I think is a real know. I think that that's pretty valuable to people.

It's a lot less expensive. People can afford IT, but it's also a lot less stigma in their head. IT shouldn't be but IT is um and so I don't .

I want to get all existent al here but this is the post thanks giving episode s so we have the time so i'm just going to say a lot we talk about technology here. We love IT. It's fun.

But there is this question about like what of technology is the means to an end? What if technology makes people's lives appreciative Better, right, and that apple had really encapsulates. And I think it's good for lots of strategic reasons and branding reasons and all of that.

But I think most importantly, it's apple saying this is our technology making your life Better in a very reliable human, a common way, right? That so many people have various levels of hearing difficulty and it's not the only way they're doing IT. And you know and there are lots of other things you can get done with technology, whether it's productivity or person stuff.

But like this one story lets them not a layer, look good and market the products and all of those things. But he tries to put down an explanation about like how a product can actually make your life Better. And honestly, that's refreshing in the year twenty twenty four because a lot of the hottest product categories are uh, you know solutions in search of a problem. And this is not that.

And I think that what apple does with these ads, these holiday ads specifically, is what they are really good at is showing you something that has you feel the value that their product add to your life, right? It's it's mostly visual. They're not telling you why IT makes a difference.

They are not, uh, telling you all the features. They're gonna give you something that has very little, uh, very, very little speech, no very little text. Now, I mean, look at the script in this one is like like four words and then i'm going to show you bunch of things.

And as you watch IT, you're gona feel something you onna feel something that that that is directly related to the value the product has to someone's life. And I think apple does that, uh, probably Better than anyone else that I like. I can't.

I was trying to think what Jason was talking to, other ads that I can think of that are that good at IT. And I would go back to another APP. I go back to rapper LED. I'm not sure how many other ones make that .

kind of difference and and also IT comes from such a good place like um ordinarily, particularly as a gene xr, I would just like roll my eyes go every time like a training. Our company says we care about humanity, we care about people. Our most important thing is, but when apple talks about, when tim cook talks about how health is the most important mission that apple has, they back IT up.

And you absolutely believe IT. And I that's why I think that this commercial really is an outflow of not just, hey, this is a really good, this is going to be really good P. R. For us or hey, look, this could be an interesting way to some more airports, but also really the the promotion that we we want to be able to do things that we are proud of.

The famous phrase that the um Steve jobs used to get john Sally to quit pepsy income to apple like you want to you want to quit continued selling sugar water of the kids or do you want to change the world? Uh and a lot of companies aspire to that, but they don't put in the work. This is an example of apple like absolutely believing in that that this is I know this is an example of them really believing and showing you that you're not a fool for thinking that they think that these things are important, that they want to do things that they could be proud of.

Yeah, I guess really that's the point is it's not really just advertising a future, right? Small future reposes. Don't you feel good about apple? Aren't they doing good stuff?

A good company, I feel in a world in which like you so with three years after you buy like a car, suddenly ashamed of IT because of like what the company is known for. It's like it's good to know that I just spent two thousand dollars on a mac. I'm not going to be really, really upset by what the C. E. O. Does two years later.

I yeah and they're not very much. I mean, you can not to see the ovo do. And innovo is making the world Better place. You might see google do IT.

You might see microsoft do IT the big tech companies can do IT but the that that's their realm is this thing you're watch a mac break weekly and that's what we talk about apple every tuesday with inDiana o alex linz, Jason on snow, we're glad you're hear apple replay twenty four is live in apple music so yes, if you is that wonderful, magical time of the year. So if you listen to a lot of apple music, you can listen to the same songs again. Is that the idea?

What is the well, it's everybody loves the quantified self, right? It's selling you what music listen to this year. And they added, they've got like a video that is generated for you with a montage of what you've you listen to during the year.

It's you know, it's I find IT interesting. It's skilled for me because like they are the players I listen to while i'm writing. And so those are always high on the list. But it's kind of fun to see like this year they were like, this is your number one artist for by month, uh, number one song by month. And you know if you if you like those kind of stats, I do, spotify does IT so apple sort of following them and uh.

IT can be fun. Well, let me just go right into my apple music and replay and share my year in music. Or are we excited? Let's i'm turning the sound down because I can obviously, we'll get taken down the minute we play any other stuff. But I let's just see, by the way, i'm using that great iphone mirrors. I stop IT never mind.

I anticipated you are about to do a concept match and the .

internet said.

no, not, not ever.

Oh, no, no. Currently, I have to log in to my apple music in order to do this, which apple .

web you actually can do IT inside the music APP IT takes you to A. Page that they felt, which I still thinks.

So now i've done, now i've done IT and I had to get pick up my iphone. I couldn't do IT in mirrors because IT needs the camera and all that. So now i've done, here's my replay. This is your life was, is thinking again what you're doing.

that my top artist? Or are you going to go? Well, OK.

How much music you? I, thirty one thousand four and forty .

eight minutes.

This was the first thing, my longest listening street, eighteen days in a row between melt or neither or rope music and katy Perry, oh, oh, here's this. I could. This could be embarrassing.

Out of six hundred two artists, one stood out. Peter Gabriel, i've listened. Minutes 我 买 了 of the year.

actually, in terms of minutes. Listen was I O, but I listen to a lot of as an album, right? I I listened to that as an album.

But yeah, I believe like the six straight year, my number one artists, the one thousand nine hundred and seventy five, what can I say? I like them. They're you've told me about that.

Yeah, boy, Peter was my top artist two months in a row. So this is kind of fun. You're right.

This is fun. This is, I thought I would just be a playlist. You played one thousand, one hundred thirty songs, but one was my anthem.

Now want to know what your anthem was. My anthem was cracks in the wall by emerson cove. No, was not my athens. I promise you .

twenty seven thousand and nine hundred and fifty minutes of music, listen to and to .

listen to first video .

that you generate .

twenty thousand seven day listing streak. I didn't know I was doing streak in apple music.

but apparently I was. They should put that on the watch. I see that. Can we say that like after spending time talking about how nice a uh, apple is to like care so much about health? I don't like the idea of any social media companies praising you for a while. You you just completed twelve day read IT street or ow you've been listening .

to apple music every single like yeah like care whether if IT every time I open care IT whether .

IT yells at me because I haven't open IT in a while.

I like it's got one one step is fascinating, is are you one of the hundred most an artist, hundred top listeners. So like, I am in bob molds top one hundred listeners, which is kind of thing, is my new artist. I listen you when i'm writing his my bob mall players is my number one playlist so ah but that's kind of funny, right? Because that's within all of apple music.

And my epm is I think there's something you should know about the one thousand nine hundred seventy five course that is right because I just that's why I listened to that on repeat all the time forever. And that's just how IT is, I guess I don't know. It's fun.

I I think it's fun and that's why apple is doing IT is spotify. Did IT and I go know people are having from a spotify? We can let that stand.

We have to have fun with apple music too. And so they throw IT in there. And it's fine. A bunch of apps do this overcast. Actually a popular podcasting APP by marc arment just out of this feature as well. And i've i've had a lot of people sending me the they are overcast list where my podcast appear uh, third or fourth in the request of favor. Podcasts was like, thanks, but not too much.

I'm just happy to know that the top genres I like to listen to. Or can you show my screen rock, hard rock, arena rock, pop and pop.

right? We get you. I touch you. Generals are alternative .

and adult alternative and rock.

the native rock alternative and pop up.

Pop, pop, that's one. You know what OK .

take is fun.

I didn't enjoy that. I do. I can never see my .

daughter hanging out with my daughter a lot. We trade playlist, the two of a trade playlist. And I can never see the influence on my players, like, will no con the luminous eligant helly hundred.

But not that taste is an excEllent taste. Let's see if .

I have some .

good gift ideas in here. Oh, yes, how? Thank you.

andy. I go. You can now wear the apple running shoe. Em oji designer hosea wong. Shoe won two hundred thousand thousand dollars.

Does that look like an A O J? I guess it's that's the emotion I on the left. Yeah, I guess it's the same. I thought IT was gna look like a clown show or something. It's just a regular every uniting.

It's interesting because is a double rip off. Not only they like ripping off apple's original art for the mog, but he's also ripping off like the new baLance shoe that the .

I was looks like the new baLance show. You're right. Oh yeah, okay, I was I was trying to figure out .

if this was like for real. But IT turns out that this this guy, he is one those designers that like will do like a limited drop over and over again. So we do start for, like you will find, here's a shirt from him.

Here's a whatever from him. However, if you go to the site that's linked to from the like verge article, I found IT from the page is gone four or four so I know. And if so.

that's what .

that caused me .

till like want .

to go to that is instagram of story speed and so okay, as not as though that was just like a parody uh, he has like dozens and dozens and dozens of shoe boxes stack behind him. But there is like at least like four or five actual pairs of the shoes, like in evidence, like in the shot so as not as though he had one made up just for this joke. Well.

some lucky child. And nigeria is going to have a whole bunch of a run and choose pretty soon. Not the only copyright issue. A brazilian company says, hey dudes, we own the iphone trademark a little late, but they are going to trial on this thing. Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know why this. I mean, this is legitimate. Like it's not as if they're putting out that they had their paper were found out long before, just like cisco also had a iphone product, just like other companies had a iphone product. And Steve just simply said what we're just gone to go ahead. We're going to figure out that it's going to cost us much money this yeah and figure out though we figured that they're gonna go away in time or with encouragement of money or with threats of how much money we can spend.

I guess brazil might not have the same statute limitations.

So uh so uh, the graduate iphone was launched in brazil two thousand and seven years before the iphone. They had leaflets that they used to vote the phone. In two thousand, we sold thirty thousand units in a few months.

However, do a spute between gradients. And another brazil company, the iphone trademark, was only granted to gradients in two thousand eight. Oh, this is going to be a little sticky wicket a year after the iphone has introduced. By that time, there were no longer selling phones. So apple has decided to yeah they made this may not actually work, although IT is in brazil so never know they're been battling in court is twenty thirteen .

and there's a quote from the company basically saying that, oh well, just we just don't want people continuing to say that we've ripped off this idea from apple .

yeah it's probably not just that that is I know this because of my dispute with twitter, right?

Um there is something called reverse confusion where people assumed the twit named itself after twitter even though twitter came later and our our trademark predated the existence of twitter and so um that's actually the biggest of my layer told me is the biggest payouts and lawsuits have come from reverse confusion where a small company people assume all you ripped off the big company because you you copy there and IT wasn't the case so they could go that in the U. S. I don't know what brazil laws are, but anyway, interesting. When are we going going to get a new iphone? Esc, it's over a thousand days old, says mac rumors.

Spring right?

Spring release. No.

this is, is that the skinny one with the no, a sport release. But rumor .

to be apple's first.

Most apple part. The part. The room they ve got my attention. Was that yet? And sc, which means that you can expect IT to be like a sub five hundred phone. But IT also will run apple intelligence, which implies that IT won't run an older processor um if nothing else, I mean has been like almost three years, which means that this is the this is the only current iphone, the s that actually that still has that thick like bezzle the top in the bottom like IT doesn't look IT looks like an old iphone IT does not look like a modern thing.

Um I it's begin my attention because i've been this year, I I changed a lot of the tools that I use for what I do and a lot of my work workflows. And so many times i've thought, oh my god, if only I had illis for on my android phone like at this moment my life would be so much easier. And so like the wheels in my brain are thinking that, well, you know, you don't actually own an iphone that does apple intelligence so what if you were to buy the iphone S E. And write a bit about IT and then sort Carry IT with you just as a host for like IOS apps or the IOS versions of mac c apps that you use. Because the idea of running apple intelligence on h an inexpensive phone would a be very, very interesting. And b but also sort of encourage people did not think of apple intelligence is just something that you get if you spend a to a hundred two one thousand dollars for a phone because remember german I and open a eye, they will run on nearly anything with a pulse because, uh, although germany I does have a run on device aspect to IT, IT can go run to mama up up in the cloud if IT doesn't happen of computer power on the device to actually do IT IT be IT would not be good to have a digital divide of that kind where you don't get any AI features unless you spend top back for a phones. So i'm glad that I would hope this remember pants out because that would be a really interesting version of the S.

C. I wonder if this is where they're gonna dump that processor that's also in the ipad mini. The is a seventeen pro from last year and it's on the old three enemy to process.

But they are pic a big bucket of those processors that have been made that they need to put in products. And so they might. In there the base to get IT over the home to being apple intelligence on the phone a lot.

Those Prices also free because there are the ones that didn't perform, didn't level the one to something else that I know they are sitting in the buffet.

And yeah, the question is just if that .

processes still running because IT was a dead in process for T. M C. And if they want to retch that factory into doing something else, and I don't know enough about chips to know what plausible thing that is, but it's possible that they literally ran off a bunch of these, and apple is collected them and basically bind them from other products.

And they're gonna use the access on these smaller something products like an iphone S C. And an ipad mini. Well, I don't know, you know, I don't know the details there, but that seems to be what's happening. So what would a surprise me?

That's what they do. Does the s sell that much more poorly than big brothers?

I think so I .

would think I would sell Better because it's less expensive.

particularly internationally where competing with android phones and the iphone is not the day fact phone for kids, princess. And I think they do on something .

that's available for for parents to buy for their kids if they don't want to spend a lot of money on something that they gone to break. So I think that that that makes sense. I think a lot of the a lot of apple users, you go in thinking you're going to buy something basic and you're like twenty hundred dollars more and use this for a long time. And next thing you know, you spent sixteen hundred dollars on the iphone .

to mention donuts and the simpson tapped out that can really add up speaking to chips cording to mac rumors APP or actually according to the leg. But that's in chinese. So they've translated apple has ordered him five chips ahead of the twenty, twenty five late twenty, twenty twenty five production.

The next chip is already in order. And I betcher apple said, give us all the m five. You can make you. yes. Well, I think they have to because no one else uses those.

I think of a lot of the factories to do IT and and ah the thing is when people this is a good example of a rumor that that happened, I mean, IT probably is happening. But when people say apple pivoted in fall for a fall, you know, for a november release, just remember this this thing when we say six years, years, I mean the design of that trippers on a year two ago and you know you know and that's the that's the length of .

this tail I I had so the new star was, uh show skeleton yesterday and my friend taught the area who works at I O M said, you know, it's funny when you work on a project in secret for a year and a half and then suddenly everybody can see IT because he worked on skeleton and crew and I thought, this is exactly what the people with apple feel like, where they are working, you know, depending on where you are in the funnel at apple, you are working on the news of twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six or even twenty twenty seven.

Like not even an R N D. Like if you are a chip designer, what are you on now? D M, seven, like it's a years long project. I know we talk about that here. And that's why so frustrating when you see these articles that are like a apple turn on a dime and change them to and two months is like that is not I mean, that intelligence happened pretty fast but to say that the chip that is driving apple intelligence was designed for apple intelligence is not true because um you know that chip had to have been in process for a very long time. I do you think it's funny as as pad glass leaves intel that uh and I don't think apple, you know apples, plants around the gun or anything like that. But when you think of the current state of intel, IT is interesting to think that the maybe the best chips in the world are being designed by apple and fb bed by T S M C. When you consider the fifteen years ago, twenty years ago, IT was very clearly until and intel, but we've come a long way and and these cutting edge fabs, the tsf c is building and they're building him for apple's chips and that that the state of art right now yeah I mean.

that's a good point because there there was an interview couple weeks ago with uh, some of the apple chip engineers on a podcast and freedom have the citation front of me.

But what I remember is how we decided they were to talk about how, like originally they were work, like in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, of course, they were working on A I, but they were working mostly on machine language for neural lingon chips that were mostly there to power, like computational ptolemy y on the iphone. But they told the story about how like that in twenty seventeen, like google research, publish their that paper on transformers that totally changed everything. And they started to like, not not like, they were designing for a future product known as apple intelligence.

But that, oh my god, this is really, really cool. Like when we're designing more new neural relationships, let's design IT to run. So that would be very, very capable of doing something like this, are running these kind of models.

And that was like the foundational research that LED into apple intelligence. So yeah, I mean, we're talking about apple only talked about apple intelligence chips this year. But even on the at grassroots level, theyve been thinking about the first past seven years.

Well, this article from mac rumors will actually presage a late twenty twenty five. Apple has pivoted from the the three nanometer process or the two animals ter process back to the three, because in fact, that's what this in five series is, is a three anomie ship. According to my humour's, a decide the tanee to process for the and five is do primarily to cost considerations.

But the m five will have a lot of new features. This is a good article talking about those features, including T S M C system on integrated ship technology, which they say is a three d chip stacking approach that enhances its thermal management, produces electrical leakage. So there are some new features in the m five, even if IT is not the two nanometer process. And watch for those articles in a year. They paved, they failed.

They failed the, you know, you can do a cheap process shrink every year. I mean, IT doesn't happens.

is pretty small in two. One you can do zero.

I made a joke about going to pico meters or whatever, but that .

somebody told me they are .

a single anomie is tends to low hundreds of molecules. Think I I still .

remember the conversation I was having with like a chip designer, like I think there was even ten years ago saying that they're starting to run IT to problems where electrons are too big and too slow for what they for what they want to do with chip design. And that a lot they are to do a lot of like very creative problem solving to like package the sort of power and features that they want to have for the kind of test they're been contracted to.

There are ten instruments to every nanometer. So we are now going to the thirty and term design. Everybody, get ready.

We've got plenty of headroom. I don't know what evidence you get. The one extreme.

however, pretty close to molecule, molecule thick. You know, a couple of molecules .

stick at that point. What is the definition of extreme? IT is IT is an extreme, is one ten billions of a meter, one hundred millions of a centimeter.

six thousand anx stream, as the, as the wavelength th of a red light.

the with of a hydrogen en adam is one point, one extremes. Oh my god. So we are basically at twenty hydrogen or thirty hygd atoms.

Tomic web.

yeah. And you know, I guess more is law is continuing. But at some point, don't you get get out of the quantum level.

You have also is a wead quantum. And a lot of the moors lost of what we've seen is that it's been things like they went to multiple designs to the cores and their C P U cores and G P U. cores.

And there's specialize course. There is A I course like and now we've got this. They are talking about their three chip stacking.

So you, you, you be able to be more efficient. So the process is keep shrinking. But remember, more is lies. And just about process drinks, it's about about the the .

speed of of the chip .

is so there's all the things to do here. But IT is amazing. I know I was reading a story about sort of a wear intelligent, and one of the the day held off on the the U.

V. ethnography. Longer than they should. They were skeptical of IT. But this is the amazing thing, like chips are made by projecting light because we don't have tools small enough to make chips. So we have to project ultraViolet light, and we have to use ultraViolet because we need the little frequencies, little go right to. Its amazing .

the connections years ago that basically talked about how essentially gutenberg's printing press started the chip revolution, because essentially making chips is all about how fine detail can you print on a surface one those yeah .

yeah yeah so ah now in hindsight, apples move away from intelligent to be pretty precious. Intellect t continues its troubles. Pat gelsinger, the CEO who has brought to save intel, has announced he's retiring immediately.

Yeah and and like you can take your retirement package or will fire you and he's like retiring right now.

I think it's not .

just it's funny because we think about in terms of apple leaving intel for apple silicon, but the real move was the founding of apple silicon because that was a case where r armed processors were going to give mobile devices what they needed and intel processors weren't and up and until just missed IT like they just missed and IT was and and I mean, they're a lot then thomson is writing about this a lot on strategy, I think very intelligently, which is typical for band stupid and tops and so smart but um about how you pack elser should really not be blamed because like he isn't there.

When they may be trying to solve the problem that was too late to be solved is possibly the case. But like the mistake that happened before, he was the person in charge in into, because they just, they just missed so badly. And now the question is, are they gonna stay as one business? Uh, how do they deal with the fact that the U.

S. Government is try to give them a lot of money so that there's an american company making chips, but they're not really as good at making chips as they used to be. T, S, M, C is eating their lunch there.

And what's the board gonna? Who are they gona hire? And there are some rumors about like john y rojo from apple, but H I think .

he's already turn .

them down and I don't know why you take that job. So it's an interesting question about the future of intel. But yeah, apple is good not to have any eggs in that basket right now.

IT turns out this this has been a long time coming. Marist chain, whose the sound of T S M C was britain autobiography and according to the autobiography, tim cook met with chain in twenty eleven, already thirteen years ago, kind of lift at intel and said, and jank said, yeah, we should talk about making chips for apple. According to the book, cook was left and impressed by intel's contract manufacturing capabilities, told, saying that in the meeting, and that was the beginning of the apple moving to T S, M C. Back in twenty twenty.

And that's until fatal flaw, right? Know the problem with intel is that they are fab and their a chip designer. And so apple came and said, we have an armed chip that we designed and we want you to make IT. And until us like now we're not into that you can use and and and that's the I mean, really they should have and glass or thought against this, I think for a while, but like they should have split into .

do business is .

a been a while and then tells .

business model was integrated where they would design and bill and and fact, that's exactly what telling are said if we're going to split this into two parts of foundry and you the designer in the manufacturer, the fab and the foundry. But I just was too little, too late. I gate yeah.

the real question is the american government, right? Is the U. S. government. The chips act in all of that.

And so who knows what's going to happen in the trump administration? But there's this feeling like we don't really want a taiwanese company and t sm c is great. But the fear is that that china invented one and our chip making capacity has gone.

Which is why, to be fair, T S M C is also building factories in the U. S. As part of that deal. So but .

like intel is one .

of the rolles, one of the chAllenges is how are they going to invest in fabs as per the chips act in order to keep that money if if they're pivoting to design and not to and away from fabs, which is what gelsinger was trying to do, the board pivots away from that. Do they give the money back? Do they try to spend IT out? I believe there's a string attach where they can actually diverse themselves of their fat business. They have to keep ownership of a high percentage of IT like it's it's a mess.

It's a mess and I have everything else. I think the speculation is going to take twenty thirty until there could be a meaningful ll chip production capability inside the U. S.

Yeah and that that is like how many administrations between now and then and it's gona have to be mature leadership that basically says this is important thing. IT will not be done on any one administrations watch. We have to make make investments and make assurances and make alliances to make sure this key strategic capability is within the united states by a certain time line.

Whenever that happens. Remember that china at some point, you know, was not a manfacturing powerhouse. They made IT a government priority, saying we're gone to make sure that we get manufacturing here. They when, uh, sanctions basically cut them off from, uh, american chip design, they said, okay, the stink, but we're going to have to learn how to design steel manufacturer our own chips. And now they're finally in the position where they can start making stuff that is completely home grown and now they don't have dependency on other countries necessarily uh, for that manufacturer. So it's you can you can put people on the moon as on his acute water and expect to beyond Green stand uh greeting people walking on the moon to a three years later. You basically have to design the cathedral, prove the cathedral, put in the infrastructure the cathedral, and be pleased three years after .

you on the moon. Is that what you're going?

Musk says once he wasn't on on mars first to prove the visibility of IT.

It's very small, but it's only about eighty and from .

or twelve .

twelve different .

shades of red would go but but that means that that but you know what I mean, like you know the people who to based outside, okay, a cathedral goes here, knew that they will not live long enough to actually see this thing be built. But they have to realize that that's not my job here. My job here to make sure that I set up the machine that is insurable and its forward progress that will not be ended like three, three years before it's done. IT will be ended when it's actually finished.

And of course, united states has become the shortest term planning country. You know, I mean, we don't think more than three.

There are some example, the the space program staff started, you administration started IT by administration continued. That's what I was gonna is this needs to be like like that. There were little pockets in the government where there has been continuity between these various administrations. And if we if if we are serious about america's chip making capacity, this needs to be one of those areas where there is consistent behavior, and we'll see what where there happens or not.

It's that uncertainty that is causing all the this .

is career government works. They're the bad of keeping every country work in the ones that there .

are ten extremes in each anx. I like you.

It's also why sorts word rattling is not like china's making all this noise about the fact that they want they may take taiwan or y're not going to rule that out of whatever it's generating trillions of dollars of movement. You know that that around them IT just seems like such an unforced error. Me a well.

it's not in lateral. I mean, we're doing the same thing.

the same thing, but it's a good example of them going down this path of saying all the stuff that scares are everybody companies moving out of their countries and their there's all this there's all this movement they've created because of you know the threats and you know it's just it's crazy thing to do.

What a world. What a world. Alright, let's take a little break when we come back your picks of the weeks of gentlemen start your engines. You watch your mac break weekly and the anaho from G, B, H in boston when you could be on G B H. Nex.

I love this week, but next thursday to all forty five.

I was asking that question. Thank you. Thank you, Andrew.

I H N A K, O, I have no idea how to spill IT. Alex linz y office hours. Duck global got something exciting going on this week.

I have a chat with mommy today after the show.

mr. Ra, cash fly.

you got .

a test.

I'm just just making sure that works with me and then and he's ready for you.

So I think doing IT in january. So that's exciting. Yeah that's podcast ah in office hours, anything to report you are going .

to continue to see us uh, test right now. We're testing hg. We are talking about this H G P. It's a little bright right now because were figure you out some color correction stuff so you're going see uh but we're still every day we're just answering people's questions um and uh um we've got um of course evening show on both um monday that's the extra hours and on thursdays which is will run down um and but every morning for hour we have some about one hundred years, hundred fifty years of expertise.

It's it's down and answers random questions about media production, which one of things we ve gotten really good at as we have this great chat that is all tied into what we're doing. And we're using IT more because we realized there's all these experts that are in the jet um in our chat that are uh you know that really know a lot that are from all these broadcast companies and and post companies. And so and so so it's now even though there are six or eight or ten people in the panel is also another fifty two hundred that are doing stuff that were incorporating into that into that conversation. So you you can see keep on as we look forward.

quite exciting this one. And from six colors to com. Jason snow, you said that you took a little time for thanksgiving, but the six college never sleeps.

Well, I mean, we were a little sleepy. I was very happy to see that a couple articles got posted while I was a way, uh, I was a quiet week.

But you know, weekly .

post from john, he link kind of funny links column .

on friday for our meis do have is IT a secret? What john used to be.

it's not. It's an, it's an open secret. He's fine. We talk about john sometimes is the map there, I said. But sometimes he said he did the crazy upper rumor side for a long time.

He writes under his name and the other name at mac world now, and he write a nice fun thing and then Shelly brisbane and jerod and still also write occasional post for six dollars. But it's primarily mean, dan. So it's kind of a two person Operation.

Yeah the latest episode upgrade five forty validation for shower, Jason. And not sure I want to know it's a good episode.

Well, actually we had a whole thing and you all will understand this too. It's trouble shooting brain that you have. If you are a technology, you somebody is a problem and they come to you and and you we've seen so many mistakes, so many problems with tech. And you know this from your radio show.

That is actually a perfect example .

where you build a perfect trouble shooting machine and there turn on and turn that off. Why don't you restart the computer? I did that over the thanksgiving break, but I can be like shower.

Jason is, i'm listened to a podcast in a shower. I can only listen to podcast when I shower and when I to walk my dog. Those are my listing times.

And my friend Stephen hacker was telling a story on this podcast about how he and his wife's apple watches both suddenly had battery life problems, which is really weird, right? That they both had that simultaneously. And I knew that he changed his wifi network last week to a different of hardware.

I and I I literally reached out of the shower to the phone and A A text saying, have you tried the life? And h he was the guest on upgrade, uh, yesterday and he and he tells the story and and he says, I think IT is the wifi and that was my validation for shower, Jason, that I was like because there was a little thing that checked in my brain and we all have this where it's like watching change. And I just thought we all know that mobile devices, that they have trouble connected to a network, whether it's wifi or your cellar or network, if you're out the woods or something, your phone will get hot like IT is expanding.

It'll crank up the power on that radio to try and make a solid signal. And I thought, what if his new wife base stations, the the watches are having trouble connecting or they're not seeing one, but they're seeing the other or they have to crank up the power in order to compensate and that straining the battery essentially invisibly. And I think maybe that is actually the answer. So but know, this happens like I was something .

about the shower. It's my theory that the heat is opening up blood vessels and making your brain work together.

There's something that could be or even know the isolation of the focus like I if I not listen to anything in the shower.

that's where I and and if I am listings.

it's because I want to focus on something other than the shower and just get through IT. But anyway, computer know what i'm talking about that we all get thanksgiving is a perfect example. You all get told time to do some trouble shooting and some of those problems are actually really like my father in law had a whole problem where his mouth, he said sometimes was um was giving a context menu when he clicked instead of a regular click and like what he didn't see context menu right he was like .

menu appears the pop up.

And I observe this and I thought about for a while, and I think you know what I think is actually happening as I think that as he's using his mouse gradually over time, his his hand is just sort of sliding to the right and then he doesn't realize that, but he's right clicking when he thinks that he's left clicking.

I think that's actually but again, it's just because i've been doing this for so long now of that I have and then he suggests it's not working. The male is an opening, right? Uh, I, uh, I can key on apple mail and nothing can happen and I said, well, let's restart this computer and then I walked away because I was super confident in that. And then a minute later, he shouted from the other room, it's working now. And why we turn IT off and .

turn IT back. Hey, a little .

programing.

Note about our old friend ra, rich. I I watched a long video from him. Me too, he has moved to san Frances go and an even more exciting note, he's got a new girl who moved with him, Better known Kelly luis, Better known as lora, Patrick ra, Richie and lora, or an item.

congratulations. Is so great to hear IT and welcome to a to a california reni, Richie and sanford cisco. We're onna have to figure out a way to get him up into our added studio. I'm just really happy. So you're rene Ritchie fan, he still working at youtube.

In fact, probably that's why in same Prices go now seems like that's a Better place for him to be that montreal all for working at youtube and his channel is is there youtube that comes from a rich I and you can read his update or listen to his update. I should say there. So good on you, rena and Kelly. I'm very .

happy .

to hear the wow, that's so cool. It's really happy to hear that I have my own little personal youtube channel, which isn't very active, you know every once want to do some gaming. But IT has been active in the month of december because we've been doing the advent of code. And I have been live streaming, which is a crazy thing to do, live streaming the coding. These are started nine p pacific midnight eastern when the event of code chAllenge comes out in the first twenty five days of september to get IT.

It's an advent calendar and it's been a lot of fun in h three of our toward real programmer from the club um sighs a paul ler and dan o have been getting on saying olio you might want to check that parenthesis there IT seems misplace show is a and it's been very helpful and a lot of fun so we'll do that again. I guess i'll do IT again in nine nine pm pacific for day four of the event of code, they get progressively more difficult, which means at some point in the next few days i'm gonna a hit, a hit, an impossible wall. I'll be like that saber rattling against the soccer wall.

And I will have to go to bed before actually solved that. But this is kind of fun, I do at an emails and common lisp. And we get, we get the chat going with IT and and we also get some really fun people popping in a little bit.

So um just thought i'd mention that youtube duck on slashed old port, our picks of the week coming up and dock rock, who is in the discord, says don't make IT too expensive guys. You just spend a lot of money on three printer. All right, all right. Dock rock, we're going to get you some inexpensive pics of the week. Well, maybe .

not.

maybe not. You are a mac great weekly jis. Now you yours isn't gonna expensive.

No, I mean, you gotta have a vision pro though. So I assume you've already spent that money in that call.

Yeah, I just wanted to mention this.

So simply, piano has been out for a while, like it's a great ipad APP to teach people how to play the pio. And they just announced a vision perversion and I got to try IT. In fact, just this morning I tried that out and it's pretty amazing because IT will um like if you have a keyboard or a piano I set down on my piano and IT has you like uh calibrate its piano to ear piano at which point um as is teaching you're had to play the piano. It's lighting up the keys and actually IT shows you the finger notation floating on your hand of like which finger is which finger for one.

three, four, five play already .

or A I want to make up a joke of simpson joke here and i'm not going to do IT. Ah yes I I took A I took piano lessons as a kid and so I still sort of know how to play the piano um but I feel .

like I should this is the next thing for me as an aging brain. They say it's very good to learn an instrument well.

simple piano, I mean, even on the ipad is very clever because he uses the microphones so would have you play along and IT knows when you're playing the right note with on the vision pro IT will you know, it's marking up your hands, uh, and it's marking up the keyboard with the light lighting IT up and if you don't have a keyboard, you can actually take a flat surface and play IT like a keyboard.

It'll lay down a virtual keyboard for you using the vision pro and then you can play those virtual keys. And that will work too. Very clever.

I just as an education APP using a virtual overlay. It's a really interesting idea for an APP that's already, I think, a very successful ipad APP. But I love they're trying IT on on vision in my twenty minutes with that this morning, I was really impressed. That looks like a great way for people to learn .

how to play the piano. Very interesting. I do feel like that would be good for my brain to learn to play. And I think if I were going to learn instrument would be the .

piano because then you could play every other. It's U, A keyboard, a, and, and you've got instrument.

Yeah, maybe that's my my project after the advent of code busy right now. And they and aco pick .

a week with holiday shopping in mind. My when my favorite little like decorative items like apple apple mac related like ornaments, uh, there is the company called classic bot that makes these beautiful ful like a little like figures of classic like apples. They've got the happy classic boat, which is like a macos classic, which comes with the A D B keyboard that comes with a little fun. The a move suitcase comes to the little mouse of the of the eyebrow, which is amazing because IT looks like a classic uh ipod but also has a magnetic attachment so that you like put up legs on IT you know have arms .

to like position to the yeah yeah .

and I I just noticed that they just are taking preorders on an apple two e and i'm like, oh, I kind of gotten have that one. I, I, I have the classic pot. I have the ipod, the ipod one. I can say they're not dirt cheap that like fifty box each, but there are small company .

that do what they made that of very.

very hard like plastic slash rythm. It's very, very solid. The details that are carved in there are sharply when you get IT like you know that this is a very, very well made well design products, not just, oh, well, we just made a three d print of something and then we just throw these things up.

No, no, these are professionally manufactured. They're nicely boxed like it's from a real design studio, real company. Uh, and I recently found out that really is pretty much of one person Operation that that I was reminded of that because you posted on on a redit forum with A A uh a uh discount code for Christmas.

You use the code x mas two two o two four you will get a discount on your order. Um the problem is the only hitch is that they are he is based in the U K. So a i'm recommending IT now because if you want to get IT as a gift for somebody else and IT is a really nice gift for for an apple friend, uh, IT will take a couple of weeks to arrive.

Also, maybe you're onna hit hit with some shipping costs. But don't be afraid. I again, I ordered both of these like when they came out and have been as every time, every time I just every time I dust that shelf and I put like the map in a different position or I have I have like the ipod and interacting with alex is action figure from star wars IT gives me pleasure every single time, has been a very good investment.

Enjoy very nice happy classic boat from classic. But that come designer toys, figures and gee culture, I guess, is more than just a apple stuff that the .

things you can also get like a little display that has like three d versions of, like classic mac, like hit map by cons. Again, it's worth checking out again. You can see the love and you can see like the determination to create a really great product and all the entire product.

I'm very happy to thank you. And alex linsey exes me.

you're pick a week, so I didn't need this. But I get on looking at IT going for a lot of a lot of the years, like I really like to have something, a desktop charger. I have a lot of choices that charging, and I just wanted something on that stop, had a nice display and I told me what was still charging and how much is that actually pulling um and so this is um this is for me oops h this is from anchor.

You can see I bought IT IT on the twenty first so um that didn't send IT to me uh and I went on sale. That's what turned the corner for me so one hundred six nine dollars I was like, no, that's too much for this one hundred nine like and short some charges. I got to move some charges around.

It's really nice. So is one it's again charges. So it's going to do things pretty quickly. Uh, max is out of one hundred and forty minutes. Um so he really is able to charge just about anything you need is not something you put in your bag. This is something kind of but it's also not a charge or that you go traveling with um which I I kind of want IT I very specifically wanted something that I wouldn't .

canalized desk .

is on the desk IT does IT does the thing that needs to do, it's very I don't know what is the knob to the nop lets you there's some selections that you can make .

so it'll change.

slow down IT let you go through each one and see how much is using. There's some data .

there to figure .

that out of anger or really corner the market of great charges um and and great battery ies. I use a lot of their stuff we did .

years ago when we were still in the new screen set as we had to come on and talk about alam and technology and how was going to be a revolution. And so far it's only been in charges and all words and things like that. But it's an interesting technology.

I want to buy a charger that isn't yeah again, no, that's no way, way.

Like a save ah thank you alex. I have a pic. Um thanks to school direct thank you school direct who posted in the discord.

You can now put marathon on your iphone. The the classic marathon games are available on the APP store. They have all three classic marathon. Now there's a history of this because we played marathon like crazy back in the middle nineties on the set of the site, which was the nms c. We played .

r back in the day. Sure, multiplayer.

And that to a. And so one of the best .

things about this, according to bungee, and this is all due to the the the people who have been keeping my coto alive, importing IT in all of these things. Um IT IT is apparently cross play compatible. So if you've got ipad max, anybody who can run its on steam as well, who can run these things? Apparently IT is cross play compatible, so you could do these. amazing. Some of the best network play maps ever made, especially marathon infinity, just was mostly .

about the the multiple .

are just so good.

I was told carston bondy are my producer for many years, told me, yeah, we all got together behind the scenes and decided to ganging up on leo in all fire, a rocket launches at them at the same time, which blow straight up in the year.

We used to, when I work to the game company you had in the early days of marathon, you had to turn, you had to restart your computer, hold down the shift key to get rid of all extensions because other wise get for yeah. And so we get about six o'clock in the evening. We always work in and something here someone go down and no.

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actually eventually yeah because we would use .

the conference uh call .

and speaker phone mode in the office so that all of us who were playing we're on speaker with each other because I didn't knew audio or something。 And that was always great when you'd shoot somebody with a rocket launcher and not only on the speaker phone.

but you could actually hear them screaming .

out in the cuticle somewhere. IT was the roman loya, who is now my editor. Macro, actually we all, man, we are macuser was in Foster city.

We arrived at the same meteo bridge, and several of us lived in the ebay. And for non day, aria people, trust me, commute the evening e bound on the cemetery bridge, which is backup and backup and back up. So I, for a while there, I had, I had a window.

We also like a web. We go check the traffic. I roman would go to one end and look at the at the back cap.

And then we decide, okay, just place more, because we couldn't go home like there was too much traffic. So we would just keep playing. All those are good times and and amErica on APP legitimately.

I mean, none only is this what LED to g getting bot by microsoft and doing halo and doing destiny. But they were ground breaking. They were mac only, which was amazing. But the multiplayer with a map, and there was a map editor that you could get, they put so much effort into those multiplayer maps being good, and they were so you could .

play cap .

of the flag or so much. Or my favor, killed the guy with a ball where you ve got a little, you ve got a little skull, and then you ran around and they try to kill you and you won by time. Literally, like first personal, hold the ball for five minutes wins. amazing. Just good, just really good maps .

and good gaming greal and and so you be talking to your your wife and me like, yeah, i'm just i'm going to be ond my way in a second and then someone would someone would fire or the fire the the missile .

and and then I was like that come 一点， i know, why do you stay so late every night? Master chief mode is ninety nine cents. Hd mode is two bucks enhanced ridicules a buck. There are is free within that purchases um you get some tips and so forth. But I think .

this is a an cool was they open source these before they more about my microsoft, right um and so so that I think is all open source project.

but the uh yeah by dusty winds.

But lunch is um they have a if you look for a there's a they did a um uh a trailer for the new new marthon. I don't know. Oh and it's going to come out but that was that came out like a year ago or you're a half ago.

And yeah, it's unclear. Yeah I mean, it's it's a it's a different it's a council game, although I think it's going to be on P, C as well. But they're reviving that marathon. I, P, but it's also great that they are embracing the classic stuff, which is awesome .

and thanks to visit. And there is he's passing along this information. There is a marathon server, so if you don't have friends, we play hammer that server.

One time there was a mac break where this is early on, mac break that where I said, hey, we're all going to go to the server and play and these poor folks that play all the time, suddenly there was like three hundred people that showed about nowhere and start in there like you're ruin our server so um so do that. No, it's good but it's a good but it's a good server and do IT all the same time. I don't tell .

want to make reg doing IT at .

two o'clock in the afternoon H O W O campaign, but I was made for the multiple are maps. It's the best experience. But they were still boasting like that. The framework ATS are apparently really good that they did some great work. The the whole team that is the Alice one team that perfect, get the flame going with the support of the people with bone. So it's all some really nice and really is like proto halo, like right down to the fact there are many, many, many, many things in halo where if you play marathon you'll like, oh my that oh I see yeah that's where that .

came from yeah the search for a also some body art work I can think of is name right now pain um that did all this incredible uh concept art so you do with marathon game concept art you'll see .

these incredible paints that he did that that kind .

of also expanded I think I won .

the of the week this week yeah we just .

to the where we play marathon yeah .

and that .

we do you can't honer on the rocket .

launchers at me though hander down now where .

you do do you need a .

waterboard for those kind of different games?

But that's .

probably really here .

with a ball you can have the ball I.

Be the A G person is running the ball.

You don't shoot.

right? You run, just .

run.

Actually, you have the ball. You don't get to run, you to walk.

I I tell you this, like I been, i've been writing like a thousand words, at least a thousand words every day. Like since I was like eight hundred and and nineteen, I don't have carpool tunnel syndrome, don't have any like injuries, anything like that. I still as well. Yeah and so thing is, every time I tried to play like a really fast action game, like my hands in my my hand kills for like for remains, I realized that OK, if I keep doing that, maybe I won't be able to type without pay.

You have to build up those muscles. So it's all it's, wait, lifting for your thumb.

You just want somebody in the game who is used to kill.

not me this time, not me. Bod, boy, a lot of fun are, we will do that if you're a club member, watch for an announcement because we will do a marathon, marathon. How about that? Hj, is nell six colors that I come.

Thank you, my friend. Always great to see you. We'll see back here next .

two week going to be here. Yeah, great.

Alex linz. Y office hours like global. And of course, if you, anna, hire office hours, the office hours legend zero nine zero dot media is daytime b though I don't know what exactly he shows up for that but no, you actually do a here to not more travel with them. I know right?

I am. I'm doing what some something can talk about more something the futures. awesome.

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